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Frisco17

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« Reply #280 on: 03-25-2008 21:37 »
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Originally posted by Tornadoboy:
You gotta admit, though, with the revelation that Fry was Lars (aka "the only man I'll ever love" ), she's running out of excuses to not take a chance. Maybe once the upset of being jilted (and everything that came after) passes...   big grin

I think that's really the central point of BBS or the Fry/Leela part at least.

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Are we calling Leela cold because she fell in love with Lars, or because she didn't try to hide the fact and lead Fry to think he still had a chance?

Either way it's pretty stupid. The heart wants what the heart wants. Then later it might want something different. Also, ice cream.

Exactly. As cliched an excuse as it is she has had a seriously screwed up life, particularly where men are concerned. So I guess you can excuse some (alot of) caution in that area. Which leads us back to my double or nothing thoery.

   
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Originally posted by Frisco17:
......the "double or nothing" situation. Where Leela thinks that if she gets close to Fry and then something goes wrong she'll lose him as a friend. Since he's the only real friend she has she's happy to maintain the status quo rather than risk losing Fry entirely. Granted that would never happen because of Fry's determination but that's how it is in her head.

Lastly it's important to remember that Leela and all of them in fact are but tools of the writers. Speaking of which I wonder if anybody ever finished the picture of the dreaded "reset button".
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« Reply #281 on: 03-25-2008 23:10 »

Not exactly what I meant.
What I was saying is that Leela wasn't actually cold at all. I would know.
In Bender's Big Score (which I assume we were discussing), she was passionate and loving and vulnerable with Lars. She can't be considered cold for falling in love with the bloke (who happened to be Fry anyway, so I dunno what the rabid shippers were so upset about).

If she had kept her love of 'another' man a secret from Fry, leading him to the mistaken belief that he still had a shot with her - THAT would have been more than cold; it would have been cruel. She has enough maturity and respect for him not to do that.
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« Reply #282 on: 03-25-2008 23:19 »

 
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Originally posted by fryandlemon:
 Leela has shown jealousy when it comes to Fry/Amy.


I saw that as more Leela being miffed at Amy for stealing her idea to use Fry as a fake boyfriend.

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« Reply #283 on: 03-25-2008 23:25 »

 
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Originally posted by NastyInThePasty:
 I saw that as more Leela being miffed at Amy for stealing her idea to use Fry as a fake boyfriend.


Then you do not belong in this thread.  no no
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« Reply #284 on: 03-25-2008 23:47 »

Hey, I want Fry and Leela to end up together as much as the next Futurama geek, but at that early point in the series, I honestly don't think she thought of Fry "that" way. Even their near-miss kiss was brought on more by loneliness than anything else.
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« Reply #285 on: 03-26-2008 00:13 »

 no no
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« Reply #286 on: 03-26-2008 00:51 »

 
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Even their near-miss kiss was brought on more by loneliness than anything else.
Was it?

 tongue  wink
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« Reply #287 on: 03-26-2008 05:22 »

 
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so I dunno what the rabid shippers were so upset about

I believe it's the combination of the way she flaunted him at Fry and the fact that they apparently still haven't got together several years after the events of Devils Hands. Personally I don't hold with it, though I can definitely see their point. Leela has a caring side, but she tends not to consider the feelings of other people and redirects a lot of it onto Nibbler, "things" and "concepts", presumably because people hurt her.

Take the whole Chaz thing. That entire episode he was acting like a jerk and a nitwit but she didn't care. By that point she knew Fry had feelings for her but that didn't make her think that perhaps she should be a bit more retrospect in how she asked him to look after Nibbler. It was only when Chaz acted like a dick toward the orphans - the vulnerable part of Leela - that she finally saw what he was. There was never an emotional commitment there, not even on a superficial level.

Course, other episodes contradict this. Was she out of character here? Or elsewhere? Generally speaking, though, she tends to keep people at a distance and force them to stay at that distance, for good or for ill.
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« Reply #288 on: 03-26-2008 05:48 »

Meh.
It's a bit tenuous.
She's happy when she thinks she's found someone, and tries to share that excitement with her friends, the only people she really knows. I never saw any evidence that she was being deliberately hurtful in that instance, just ignorant on some level... maybe thinking Fry had gotten past his infatuation, or even just not thinking. Self-defensive subroutines programmed from her upbringing might lead to a lack of thought in some instances for the feelings of others, but not intentionally or selfishly - she appeared completely oblivious. I think if she was made aware of how upset Fry was she'd feel very bad.

Also - yeah, cartoon characters frequently exhibit inconsistant personalities. Go figure.
Also, they can have their beaks blown off by a shotgun and yet in the next scene their beak will be back in place.
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« Reply #289 on: 03-26-2008 05:51 »

Well I never said it was deliberate. :P
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« Reply #290 on: 03-26-2008 06:06 »

It's only cold and nasty if there is intent.
Without intent it's just a failure of preception. That's forgivable.
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« Reply #291 on: 03-26-2008 10:13 »

Look kids, I know that this is going to be an unpopular sentment,but, the reason d'etre behind our little Leela's treatment of Fry is because she does in fact care deeply about her relationship with him.  She shunts him aside in romantic thought out of her abject fear that he, like every other romantic entanglement she enters in, will leave her or be taken from her. By keeping him out of reach she assures that he will continue to love her.  Take for example the fact that the ONLY relationship she's had that progressed beyond sex or dinner was with whom? Fry/Lars. 
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« Reply #292 on: 03-26-2008 12:04 »

I am increasingly becoming of the opinion that the ideal relationship (formerly presumed romantic) between Fry and Leela did not become initially visualised during Parasites Lost, but that this episode did in fact begin its (now presumed to be pre-pathetic-Fry friendship) downfall as a whole.

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« Reply #293 on: 03-26-2008 14:45 »

 
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Originally posted by bobbot:
Look kids, I know that this is going to be an unpopular sentment,but, the reason d'etre behind our little Leela's treatment of Fry is because she does in fact care deeply about her relationship with him.  She shunts him aside in romantic thought out of her abject fear that he, like every other romantic entanglement she enters in, will leave her or be taken from her. By keeping him out of reach she assures that he will continue to love her.  Take for example the fact that the ONLY relationship she's had that progressed beyond sex or dinner was with whom? Fry/Lars. 

Let's not forget Sean. Shall we speculate on how shitty that relationship was?
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« Reply #294 on: 03-26-2008 14:53 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
I am increasingly becoming of the opinion that the ideal relationship (formerly presumed romantic) between Fry and Leela did not become initially visualised during Parasites Lost, but that this episode did in fact begin its (now presumed to be pre-pathetic-Fry friendship) downfall as a whole.

</devilsadvocate>

Now that's certainly a novel way to look at it. This needs some thought... I think I'll go away and compose one of my trademark theses on the matter.
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« Reply #295 on: 03-26-2008 15:46 »

 
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Originally posted by NastyInThePasty:
 I saw that as more Leela being miffed at Amy for stealing her idea to use Fry as a fake boyfriend.

You might have been able to interpret that scene as mere annoyance, but not the scene with Fry and Amy kissing at the dinner table.  She was definitely a bit hurt then.

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« Reply #296 on: 03-26-2008 16:16 »

 
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Originally posted by Crash_7:
 You might have been able to interpret that scene as mere annoyance, but not the scene with Fry and Amy kissing at the dinner table.  She was definitely a bit hurt then.


Granted, but perhaps that was just because every other Planet Express crew member had found romance on the Titanic voyage aside from Leela and Fry, which is why they decided to give each other a "trial" kiss (sadly interrupted by the black hole). It wasn't specifically that Fry was snogging Amy (at least, not consciously at that point), but just that Leela found herself alone on a romantic cruise.  hmpf
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« Reply #297 on: 03-26-2008 18:34 »

She could have picked studs like Zoidberg or the Professor for a fake boyfriend, but she eventually picked Fry. That speaks of subconscious desire.
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« Reply #298 on: 03-26-2008 19:32 »

Well, I think at that point, she picked whichever male would look like the most convincing to Zapp.

And the least creepy, as well.
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« Reply #299 on: 03-26-2008 21:52 »
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Not exactly what I meant.
What I was saying is that Leela wasn't actually cold at all. I would know.
In Bender's Big Score (which I assume we were discussing), she was passionate and loving and vulnerable with Lars. She can't be considered cold for falling in love with the bloke (who happened to be Fry anyway, so I dunno what the rabid shippers were so upset about).

If she had kept her love of 'another' man a secret from Fry, leading him to the mistaken belief that he still had a shot with her - THAT would have been more than cold; it would have been cruel. She has enough maturity and respect for him not to do that.

I know and I was agreeing but then I kinda went off on my own little tangent there and completely forgot about the fact that I was trying to support what you said.

 
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Originally posted by bobbot:
Look kids, I know that this is going to be an unpopular sentment,but, the reason d'etre behind our little Leela's treatment of Fry is because she does in fact care deeply about her relationship with him.  She shunts him aside in romantic thought out of her abject fear that he, like every other romantic entanglement she enters in, will leave her or be taken from her. By keeping him out of reach she assures that he will continue to love her.  Take for example the fact that the ONLY relationship she's had that progressed beyond sex or dinner was with whom? Fry/Lars. 

That is almost exaclty what I've been trying to say. Esentially my "double or nothing" theory in different words. Nice to see somebody is on the same train of thought.

As for all of you who seem to be losing faith, just wait until one of the later movies. (Most likely 4) Then you shall all return to the true pasth. Except maybe Ralph.

<Begins rambling in Latin>
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« Reply #300 on: 03-27-2008 04:40 »

Quid quid latine dictim sit altum viditur.
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« Reply #301 on: 03-27-2008 20:02 »

Only actual Latin I know.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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« Reply #302 on: 03-27-2008 20:48 »

 
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Well, I think at that point, she picked whichever male would look like the most convincing to Zapp.

And the least creepy, as well.

Coldy was being sarcastic. :P And the keyword is 'eventually'. It took her a few seconds to decide. Nothing says "I'm secretly in love with you" like "hmmm... you, the smelly lobster, or the senile old nutjob?"
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« Reply #303 on: 03-27-2008 20:59 »

I dunno... Zoidberg's pretty hot in his own way, and the Professor could charm the panties off a great white shark.
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« Reply #304 on: 03-27-2008 23:09 »

You are brilliantly funny, Cold Angel sir.  Thank you for the comment.  I have not laughed that hard in a long while. 
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« Reply #305 on: 03-27-2008 23:19 »

Well good.  smile
Wanna come back to my place for 'coffee'?
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« Reply #306 on: 03-28-2008 01:11 »

Thanks. good sir.  You are very kind regarding discussions on the nature of caffeine products.  Being as I am maybe older than you my worry is such coffee discussions will have to be platonic according to  the popular media. 
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« Reply #307 on: 03-28-2008 01:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Crash_7:
 You might have been able to interpret that scene as mere annoyance, but not the scene with Fry and Amy kissing at the dinner table.  She was definitely a bit hurt then.


Lets not forget Leela is jealous of amy on the fact that she gets all the guys.

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« Reply #308 on: 03-28-2008 02:29 »

 
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 It could be interpreted like that. In fact, the first couple of times I saw that episode that was how I was inclined to view it. However, the line about only feeling all right in her dreams, with him, made me kinda rethink it.
Also, you don't really want someone's corpse under your bed, unless you really have some other issues with their death, other than just mild guilt.


No, the whole corpse under the bed thing was just the result of insanity rather then love.



Twilight is quite possibly the worst popular book ever written.
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« Reply #309 on: 03-28-2008 05:27 »

here, here


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« Reply #310 on: 03-28-2008 07:37 »

 
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Originally posted by FordMustang:
Thanks. good sir.  You are very kind regarding discussions on the nature of caffeine products.  Being as I am maybe older than you my worry is such coffee discussions will have to be platonic according to  the popular media. 

Bah!
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« Reply #311 on: 03-28-2008 08:12 »

Poor coldy strikes out again. Just like Fry!
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« Reply #312 on: 03-28-2008 08:14 »

I was browsing the old Futurama news threads concerning the new episodes on Comedy Central, and I unexpectedly came along this.

I'd entirely forgotten about it. A link should be posted here for posterity.
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« Reply #313 on: 03-28-2008 08:44 »

 
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BAH!

 
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Originally posted by Archonix:
Poor coldy strikes out again. Just like Fry!

Awww, man.  Now I feel guilt  smile Believe me, if you knew how old I was and what I look like I probably did a great kindness.    wink
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« Reply #314 on: 03-28-2008 08:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
I was browsing the old Futurama news threads concerning the new episodes on Comedy Central, and I unexpectedly came along this.

I'd entirely forgotten about it. A link should be posted here for posterity.

Haha! Good stuff.

And then there was the intro to BBS. What a coinkydink.
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« Reply #315 on: 03-28-2008 08:50 »
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 Awww, man.  Now I feel guilt   smile Believe me, if you knew how old I was and what I look like I probably did a great kindness.     wink
He likes older ladies, what are you talking about?
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« Reply #316 on: 03-28-2008 08:52 »
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Originally posted by FordMustang:

Believe me, if you knew how old I was and what I look like I probably did a great kindness.      wink

You underestimate yourself, my dear.  wink
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« Reply #317 on: 03-28-2008 19:05 »

What they said.  big grin
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« Reply #318 on: 03-28-2008 21:47 »

Not quite as prophetic as Archonix's comic but still very impressive. Excellent job Coldy.
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« Reply #319 on: 03-28-2008 22:38 »

What? What did I do?
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