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Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #40 on: 02-04-2008 17:38 »
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Lamarkian mutants? Are they a type of mutant that when their original ancestors were exposed to the elements, they immediately became mutated. Thus, explaining why the rat dipped into the lake turned into that pig-thing even though it wasn't born that way (the way which most mutations are inherited). So, with every different generation, the child will inherit their traits though basic genetics but probably won't have a new mutation, correct? This would explain why Leela came out physically clean of mutations because she managed to inherit certain traits from both of her parents, right?
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« Reply #41 on: 02-04-2008 17:42 »
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
Officer 1BDI, do you think the chance of mutations would decrease for Leela for the fact she's not exposed to the contaminated elements of the sewers as typical sewer mutants?

I always assumed mutants were genetically more susceptable to mutations, which might explain why there are so many different kinds to be seen in that village, but I believe that staying away from that toxic environment would at least prevent most environmentally inspired mutations from occuring.  So, yeah, I think Leela's kids have a slightly better chance of not being horribly mutated so long as she limits her exposure to the sewer while pregnant.

       
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Originally posted by Archonix:
They're obviously lamarkian mutants.

*ETA: scratch that, there may be something there*

 
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So, with every different generation, the child will inherit their traits though basic genetics but probably won't have a new mutation, correct? This would explain why Leela came out physically clean of mutations because she managed to inherit certain traits from both of her parents, right?

I've never actually considered that take on the mutants' origins before, but it would make sense (and it WOULD better explain why Leela looks so relatively normal).  Random mutations would still occur, but they'd be along the same lines as the mutations that crop up in non-mutant humans.  If that's the case, then almost all of the mutations Leela's offspring could be afflicted with would have to already be buried somewhere in her genetic line (not that bizarre new mutations aren't possible, but they'd be much less likely than previously assumed).
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« Reply #42 on: 02-04-2008 18:35 »

I was merely running along with the fact that Leela looks uber-human, and the assumption that the mutants were humans mutated. Was I trying to argue something, 1BDI?  big grin
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« Reply #43 on: 02-04-2008 19:21 »
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*Note* The only genetics I know of right now is Mendelian genetics.

If my theory on sewer mutants is correct, then we can conclude that Leela's children will most likely only inherit her trait for one eye (or her indigo hair, if that is a mutation). Leela was lucky to only inherit her parents' one eye (and purple hair, as the case may be). "Typical" human Fry probably does not carry the traits for her ancestors' mutations. Chances are that Leela's ancestors' traits won't show up now after pure human DNA comes into the mix, thus why we can lead to that conclusion. To also support this, as far as we can tell, Kif's offspring only seems to have inherited Leela's one eye. Only contradicting that support is that we haven't seen the tadpoles mature to a point where we can see all traits.
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« Reply #44 on: 02-04-2008 20:55 »
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That's a good point about Kif's tadpoles. I can't believe none of the rest of us thought of it. That pretty much clears up the possibility of genetic problems. Unless you factor in that Kif is an alien and that Leela isn't the one who got pregnant but then you'd just be second guessing the whole thing forever because there are so many things it could affect.

The reason I thought before that Leela probably wouldn't have a problem with Fry is, it was my understanding that "least mutated mutant ever" meant only the eye, hair and antibodies were different from your garden variety human.

As far as what he/she would actually look like (Which I think was the original point of this thread, although I could be wrong) I think this picture is a pretty good guess.

I like the dual colored hair, nice touch.
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« Reply #45 on: 02-04-2008 21:18 »

 
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The reason I thought before that Leela probably wouldn't have a problem with Fry is, it was my understanding that "least mutated mutant ever" meant only the eye, hair and antibodies were different from your garden variety human.

Antibodies are still an issue. An organism mutates as soon as it is exposed to the elements in the sewers. My theory is that all decedents of that mutant will have an immunity to those waters (and probably many illnesses), thus explaining why Leela didn't mutate when she dove into the contaminated lake. Antibodies are your body's "immunities". They are the microscopic lifeforms that kill off incoming viruses and such. Those antibodies, like in my other theory, could prevent Leela from getting pregnant to a normal human being. My only question about this is if Leela conceives with Fry, would the offspring produced have those immunities? All mutants down in the sewers have only bred with other mutants, so therefore it is an almost 100% guarantee that any offspring produced will have the same immunities. Fry doesn't have the affected DNA  which carries the same immunities to the toxic elements.
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« Reply #46 on: 02-04-2008 21:50 »
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
 It's hard for me to see Fry and Leela going for genetic counseling. It is something that I need to see to understand.

This would be assuming that A) the two of them were in a stable relationship (likely married, as I mentioned), and B) had decided to have kids. (Not that they would have to have them right away; look how old Mom is, and how old her kids are - obviously, humanity/technology/both have progressed a great deal.) Leela would know that, even being the 'least mutated' mutant, it could play a factor in things - and she wouldn't have the info we as the audience have, of knowing what at least one of Kif's kids looks like. She strikes me as a very thorough and organised person, and one that would want to explore every option available to her.

As for adoption; like someone's said, Cookieville/BBR gave 12 kids to Bender of all people - and with Leela being their most successful (and well-known) alumnus/inmate, I doubt it'd take much to wrangle an adoption there. She'd have to be careful not to mention her real heritage, and you're right about it being probably more likely that they'd adopt someone that Leela felt was going through what she had as a child, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. 

EDIT: Something just occurred to me; with Fry not having the Delta brainwave, isn't he (technically) a mutant himself? That would have some bearing on things, right?

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« Reply #47 on: 02-04-2008 22:16 »

 
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Something just occurred to me; with Fry not having the Delta brainwave, isn't he (technically) a mutant himself? That would have some bearing on things, right?

Yes, Fry is a mutant. In fact, everybody is a mutant. However, that does not make Fry immune to the toxic waters.
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« Reply #48 on: 02-04-2008 22:20 »

Or does it. Speculating that Fry's lack of a Delta brain wave protects him from toxic sludge isn't much different from alot of the other things we're speculating about. In essence we're just guessing. I'm not saying that I believe his lack of the DBW protects him here, I'm just making a point.
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« Reply #49 on: 02-04-2008 22:45 »
« Last Edit on: 02-05-2008 00:00 »

Good point, Frisco; we are just guessing. Until the writers tackle Leela and Fry trying to have kids together, we're all in the dark. Doesn't mean we can't have fun speculatn', though.   smile

As for Fry and the sewer water/sludge; well, there are tides down there, though which direction they go when they're out is unknown. Maybe they flow under the PE building; in which case, seeing as Fry fell in sewer 'water' in a section of sewer just in front of the PE building, he'd have fallen in mutagenic material, even if slightly diluted - though of course, if the tides don't flow that way, there's that theory gone. Again, jes' speculatn'.   smile

EDIT: And he also fell in the water at the 'waterfront', which means the lake. Whoops.  smile

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« Reply #50 on: 02-05-2008 16:18 »

Not sure why you're so concerned about a Leela/Fry conception or Leela being pregnant. In the world of tomorrow kids can be cloned from growth scrapings. A better question might be if any human female gets pregnant. Just as likely people just send their "fixins" into a specialty company and pick it up in 9 months. Then give it to their nannybot.

Mmmm, oh yeah, kids geneticallty are more similar to their gransparents than their parents. So the odds of orange-haired, one-eyed, octopus-armed, commie-hating offspring that likes tequila are pretty high.
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« Reply #51 on: 02-05-2008 16:32 »

 
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Mmmm, oh yeah, kids geneticallty are more similar to their gransparents than their parents. So the odds of orange-haired, one-eyed, octopus-armed, commie-hating offspring that likes tequila are pretty high.

Greatest description ever!!!

Zim- Why is there bacon in the soap?!?!

Gir- I made it myself!
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« Reply #52 on: 02-05-2008 16:35 »
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Here's a question...if Fry and Leela had a child, would said child be frightened when they took him/her to see his/her grandparents in the sewer (if they were still alive at that point)?   hmpf
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« Reply #53 on: 02-05-2008 18:17 »
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If the kid grows up with Morris and Munda playing a sizeable role its life, it's probably not going to be scared of its grandparents, or mutants in general.
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« Reply #54 on: 02-05-2008 18:38 »

 
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 Yes, Fry is a mutant. In fact, everybody is a mutant. However, that does not make Fry immune to the toxic waters.

I think a mutant is generally defined as an organism who's genes are altered such that they express differently to its progenitors, or such that they become completely new genes, or an organism that gains or loses genes. Or all of the above.

Ferinstance, my eyes are a sort of slate grey colour, though they're probably officially called blue. Blue and blue/grey eyes were caused by a mutation in a single male some few hundreds of thousands of years ago (apparently) at which point that individual could possibly be called a mutant when compared to its immediate relations. However, the blue-eye gene is probably present in the majority of the world's population, so it's no longer a mutation but simply an intra-species variation. More to the point it didn't alter the way the eye functioned or significantly vary the genetic structure of those that received it, rather just altered the expression of a single gene that controlled how much melanin appeared in the iris. The gene itself was still the same, coded almost identically, but merely set to a very inert state.

Fry's brain manages to function (relatively) normally despite apparently having a radically different structure to everyone else. That would qualify as a mutant in the sense that his genetic code would probably vary quite significantly from the human norm. However, the fact that he is effectively a mutant doesn't necessarily make him compatible with sewer mutants. We don't know how the lake mutates people, just that it apparently does it "somehow", but it's likely that the effect is only brought on by prolonged exposure rather than being immediate. We don't know what social structures the mutants have for choosing mates, though I imagine they'd be highly elaborate and designed to maximise the genetic compatibility of partners in order to produce viable offspring. We don't even know whether mutants are even capable of breeding most of the time; how much of their population is bred and how much is formed from surface dwellers who fell into the lake? Never answered. Or asked, for that matter.

Assuming they do breed and are mostly successful, and taking as given that within the confines of the sewers there is very little selective pressure, the sewer mutants would, and indeed apparently have, branch off into a wild variety of shapes and sizes. They are not a single, unified species in the way we would think of it and appear to be made up of several sub-species and whole bunch of outliers. Every single one might be unique but, again, we don't know just how radically their genetic code differs from humans. In fact they're probably a whole separate genus. Mutans Sapiens? They probably have entirely different chromosomes, let alone different genes.

Fry, on the other hand, is still a sub-species of homo sapiens (homo sapiens cogitato novus?) so, whilst being a "mutant" in the sense of expressing a different genome, he is not a "mutant" in the sense of compatibility with sewer mutants. Leela, whilst appearing relatively normal (and sexy) would still be mutans sapiens, and still carry that different genome. Species barriers would probably prevent them from having viable offspring.

Even assuming that they are both sub-species of homo sapiens, or even compatible species of homo, the presence of so many genetic anomalies in Leela's genome would likely make it impossible for them to breed successfully.

On the other hand, it's just a show...  smile

Incidentally the wife informs me that Homo Sapiens, as well as meaning "the wise man", also means "the tasty man". Somewhere, some carnivorous alien race is laughing at us.
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« Reply #55 on: 02-05-2008 18:50 »

 
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Incidentally the wife informs me that Homo Sapiens, as well as meaning "the wise man", also means "the tasty man". Somewhere, some carnivorous alien race is laughing at us.

Those aliens would be "The Greens".
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« Reply #56 on: 02-05-2008 18:57 »

Ahh, so that's what 'SETI' stands for...

The Search for Extra-Tasty Individuals...
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« Reply #57 on: 02-05-2008 20:08 »

I think Fry may be better classified as a cogitato nihil.

Mmmmm tastey.
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« Reply #58 on: 02-05-2008 21:24 »
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Not sure why you're so concerned about a Leela/Fry conception or Leela being pregnant. In the world of tomorrow kids can be cloned from growth scrapings. A better question might be if any human female gets pregnant. Just as likely people just send their "fixins" into a specialty company and pick it up in 9 months. Then give it to their nannybot.

Mmmm, oh yeah, kids geneticallty are more similar to their gransparents than their parents. So the odds of orange-haired, one-eyed, octopus-armed, commie-hating offspring that likes tequila are pretty high.

That is brilliant in two different ways. The former being the fact that there very well could be some strage child producing/rearing system in place in the future. (eg: Brave New World) There are only things that make me think it is unlikely. One is that Futurama isn't that kinda of dark/dystopian future and two, as somebody mentioned earlier, Leela's experience as an orphan would probably cause her to want be raise the kid herself rather than letting a robot do it.

The later is the amazing description of the kid. Which, I might add, would be the coolest kid I've ever seen. Think of it, a redheaded drunk using his tentacles to strangle Kim Jong-il. Now that's humorous.
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« Reply #59 on: 02-06-2008 00:38 »

 
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One is that Futurama isn't that kinda of dark/dystopian future and two, as somebody mentioned earlier, Leela's experience as an orphan would probably cause her to want be raise the kid herself rather than letting a robot do it.

It's certainly not utopian either (see pics below). Perhaps she would if she could, but like many today not working is not an option. And I was just musing that actually bearing young in the 31st Century might be the equivalent to having a child by squating behind a tree to us. And gosh, there's almost a weekly news blip these days on designer babies, eliminating problem DNA, cloning, etc., etc.





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« Reply #60 on: 02-06-2008 00:51 »

 
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And I was just musing that actually bearing young in the 31st Century might be the equivalent to having a child by squating behind a tree to us.

Looks like Randy's out of his job at the NNY Dumbbell Club Pregnercise Pool.
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« Reply #61 on: 02-06-2008 08:15 »

See what happens if you try to do it the old fashioned way.   smile
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« Reply #62 on: 02-06-2008 16:40 »

You people be talking about crazy stuffs. Crazy stuffs!! So, what theories/speculations I'm gathering is that

a) Fry and Leela unable to conceive at all
b) Fry and Leela able to conceive, but pregnancy difficult
b) Fry and Leela have kid, kid is gross/cool
d) Leela's willingness to raise said child (w/ or w/o father)
e) Genetically engineering kid
f) Human-mutant DNA relations

anymore?
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« Reply #63 on: 02-06-2008 19:52 »

Most of which would be kinda silly a 1000 years from now.

Now meaning:  http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=4246047&page=1
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« Reply #64 on: 02-06-2008 21:15 »

 
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 It's certainly not utopian either (see pics below).

I wasn't suggesting that it is. It's kind of like the world today, somewhere in the middle. Which I think was DXC and Groening's intention according to the comentary on SP3000, or one of the other early episodes.
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« Reply #65 on: 02-07-2008 15:21 »

 
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Here's a question...if Fry and Leela had a child, would said child be frightened when they took him/her to see his/her grandparents in the sewer (if they were still alive at that point)?
I'm reminded of Missy's fic "Delicious Surprise(s?)". 

(Spoilers in case, 'cause it's one of my favorite stories)

Although, different circumstances could have resulted in different... um, results.

To the original question, I agree with 1BD1 in that it'd be no big deal if the kid's grandparents were a part of its life from the get-go.
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« Reply #66 on: 02-07-2008 18:52 »

Yeah, I mean, if you never met your grandparents, then when you were 9 or whatever you met them, I'm sure you wouldn't be afraid. Of course, they wouldn't be horrid mutants.

Right?
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« Reply #67 on: 02-07-2008 19:12 »
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 I think a mutant is generally defined as an organism who's genes are altered such that they express differently to its progenitors, or such that they become completely new genes, or an organism that gains or loses genes. Or all of the above.

Fry's brain manages to function (relatively) normally despite apparently having a radically different structure to everyone else. That would qualify as a mutant in the sense that his genetic code would probably vary quite significantly from the human norm. However, the fact that he is effectively a mutant doesn't necessarily make him compatible with sewer mutants.

Thanks for clearing that up for others. I was using the very literal term. I might have even offended those who don't believe in natural selection (evolution).

   
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We don't know how the lake mutates people, just that it apparently does it "somehow", but it's likely that the effect is only brought on by prolonged exposure rather than being immediate.

We do know. We saw a rat mutate instantly upon being dunked into the lake's waters in "Leela's Homeworld". In the real world, this probably wouldn't be possible to biologically do. Animals can never mutate that severely instantly. Almost all mutations in organisms start immediately when life begins (not birth, mind you). Mutations physically form when you turn from a zygote to an embryo (note physically, many mutations start in gametes).

 
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Originally posted by Archonix:
Even assuming that they are both sub-species of homo sapiens, or even compatible species of homo, the presence of so many genetic anomalies in Leela's genome would likely make it impossible for them to breed successfully.

On the other hand, it's just a show...      smile

The most important thing that we have to keep in mind. The writers will slide and make up reasons so then their writings will work in. For example, how mutants could instantly form with random parts is scientifically impossible. They only made up the instantly-mutating waters just so then Leela could prove that she's a mutant. Everything following genetics that were discussing here might now be followed, either. I'll bring this point up again later when we get into more detail about other subjects.

On the topic of meeting their mutant grandparents...
... If the child is too young to have specific memories when they are first introduced to their grandparents and visit them on a regular basis, they're probably not going to notice that they are different than anybody else. When you're that young, it's the inside that counts. There are children out there being raised by some mothers that you'd rather stab your eyes out instead of look at them, but all an infant cares about is the bond between them and the mother. In the Futurama commentary for "Love and Rocket", they did tell a story about this topic. David X. Cohen mentioned how if baby chimps aren't given love that a mother could provide (such as being held or hugged), then they become emotionally unstable.

... If the child is old enough to have specific memories but hasn't matured to the point where they are accepting of anybody, then they might react at first. I don't think it would be anything to worry about, more like the reaction from Fry at first sight of Leela. Knowing Morris and Munda, they'll shrug it off. I don't think this scenario is possible. Leela would probably want her child to meet her parents right away. They are family, after all.

... If the child is much older and much more understanding that people can be different, then they're not going to have a problem at all. I don't even consider this possible, like I stated in the paragraph above.
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« Reply #68 on: 02-07-2008 20:13 »

I think Frida hit pretty much everything pretty thoroughly. It's always nice when you can show up, type an articulate long winded post and wrap things up so well.
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« Reply #69 on: 02-09-2008 19:23 »

If anybody has anything else on this topic, I'm moving on...

Getting more further on the child itself, how many children do you think they'll have? What would be their genders and ages/birthorder? Would they be natural, adopted, or brought up in another way? If they have natural children, do you think it would be planned or accidental?

Earlier, I mentioned that Leela's probably not going to be fond of her pregnancy. Again, for those of you who don't want to look back at the last page, her active lifestyle would not survive a pregnancy. For this reason, I believe that Leela would only want to go through one pregnancy (possibly accidental). Here's where we take different paths: if it is one pregnancy with one child, the child would be an only child, just like Cubert (sort of), Dwight (probably), and maybe Philip J. Fry II. Though there's nothing wrong with being an only child, the show does need more variety with the children featured. So, in order to kill to birds with one stone, Leela may have multiples, or as I suspect, twins. However, I do fear that twins have become too popular in TV land, almost to the point that "twins" has became its own gender*. In contrast, I don't think there are any pairs of twins in Futurama (except Bender and Flexo, but there's hundreds of bending units like that too). And if Futurama were to ever show Fry and Leela's children, they'd wait for a flash forward episode or the final epilogue to the series, so I don't think it would be a "jump the shark" moment.

About genders, everybody says that they'd likely have a female. I nonetheless agree with the crowd. Futurama's females are outnumbered by the males. I remember hearing something about how the gender ratio can influence the gender of a child. The same might go for Futurama. If you ever read Futurama Comics #32, you'd know that Fry and Leela had a male child cloned from their DNA. If Futurama follows a typical pattern like with "Charmed", all previews of a possible offspring will be one gender, but the canon child will be the other. Last, take a look at Fry and Leela. Fry's not only a male, but he was also raised in masculine family where the only female was like a male herself. Leela's similar to Fry's mother, taking on male interests and passions herself. In the world of writing, a son between the two wouldn't sprout much conflict. With a daughter, Fry's probably going to have difficulty connecting with her at first because he is unexposed to the ways that a girl is raised. A girl's probably going to choose stuffed animals and dress-up over blernsball and video games. Though Leela might be a girl, she's probably going to have even more trouble connecting with her daughter. If Leela has a daughter (who'd I'd expect to have one eye, which I'll reason why later), Leela's going to convince herself that this little girl is her chance to give her the childhood she never had. Not only would Leela be the parent she wanted to have to her daughter, Leela's going to expect her daughter to be unconfident and defenseless like she was. Leela may push for a physical lifestyle like hers, against the girl's wishes. From having a daughter alone, you can have a lot of conflict just off of that.

*Twins aren't a gender. It's just done so commonly in TV shows like "Get Smart", "7th Heaven" (I hate that show), and "Full House".
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« Reply #70 on: 02-09-2008 22:28 »

You are way too good at this stuff, Frida.

I agree with pretty much everything you just said. It would likely be a one time thing because of the Leela's lifestyle. As far as whether it would be planned or not I think it depends on when it happens. If it's in a fast forward it would probably be planned. My reasoning behind this is the fact that Leela seem to have a motherly nature that shows itself from time to time. For example Nibbler, Jrrr, and the baby space bee. If, on the other hand it were to happen sooner I think it would be an accident becuase Leela wouldn't want to give up her way of life. Basically my theory is that Leela strikes me as someone who wants to have kids at some point but would put it off for at least a few years because she isn't ready to give up her freedom yet.
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« Reply #71 on: 02-11-2008 14:15 »
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Frida, that is some damn fine reasoning.   smile

Like I've already said, Leela would want to keep adoption as an option. What you said about her lifestyle conflicting with pregnancy is dead on; she probably would want to only go through that experience once. Of course, she might then decide to adopt afterwards if she wanted her child to have a sibling, once the child had got a little older.

As for what he/she/they might be like...yeah, there's a whole heap of scope for conflict between Leela and the kid(s); you wouldn't want Leela to instantly transfrom into UberMom (and I doubt she would), but she would change her attitude somewhat, and depending on how much, you could definitely find a solid source for friction. (Between her and the kid(s), within herself, etc.) The idea of 'give (it) everything I didn't have as a child' is dead on, too; that would be at the top of her list, even before the child(ren) were born/adopted.

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« Reply #72 on: 02-11-2008 19:34 »

What kind of personality traits would Fry's and Leela's kids have?  Would the son be a laid-back, lazy, clueless, ne'er-do-well slacker?  Would the daughter be a tomboyish, whip-smart, gung-ho, ambitious, karate expert?  Something to think about.
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« Reply #73 on: 02-11-2008 20:20 »

Frida. That is exactly what I have been thinking and trying to figure out how to sy. how the hell do you do that???

I think that Fry and Leela's kids would be a mix of the two of them. I'm too lazxy right now to type up exactly what I think their personalties will be like. Well that is unless Frida gets to that before me.
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« Reply #74 on: 02-11-2008 22:08 »

 
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Frida. That is exactly what I have been thinking and trying to figure out how to sy. how the hell do you do that???

And that is exactly why Frida was dubbed "Shiny the Second".
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« Reply #75 on: 02-11-2008 22:30 »

True.
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« Reply #76 on: 02-12-2008 20:37 »
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As far as whether it would be planned or not I think it depends on when it happens. If it's in a fast forward it would probably be planned.

It is hard to foresee if Leela's pregnancy would be planned or accidental. We don't even know if the show would go on to this point or this would be revealed in a flash-forward. We could only assume what could happen.

What makes this so difficult to foresee is because of how little we know of Leela's views of sex.

Now, a short lesson on Leela and Sexual Intercourse

Zapp Brannigan- Yes, Sean did come before her one night stand with Zapp, but I can only assume that Zapp Brannigan's the one who stole her virginity from the quote in "I Second that Emotion". Violet, the gilled mutant, quoted, "Nice try, Leela, but we've all seen Zapp Brannigan's webpage." Leela regrets sleeping with Zapp, because it was purely out of pity for who knows what.
Alcazar a.k.a. "Al"- We all know why the two had sex. Just as a review, because at that time Leela didn't know her origins and was convinced that Alcazar was the only cyclops left of her race, she did it to try to conceive a cyclops child to carry on the race.
Philip J. Fry (with Parasites)- Well, we can assume that she "might" have had sex with Fry up until the point when he got rid of the worms, on account of the fluffy lingerie she was wearing. This puzzles me. See my paragraph after this lesson.
Chaz (the Mayor's Aide)- I guess Leela loved him enough to do it with him. See the paragraph below this lesson for my reasoning.
Lars Fillmore (Alternate Philip J. Fry)- So close, Fry, so close. Obviously she was in love with him after he told her that she's the one for him. Again, see the paragraph below.

You see, all of her lovers (with the exception of Zapp Brannigan) were about to mate/mated with her right at the point when she felt that the guy was the right one for her. I'm going to get Ralph Snarty here, but I am beginning to think that Leela's just like those teenage girls on "Maury" who only want to have sex so then they could have a baby. Face it, she thought that she was in love with Al, but that's because she was convinced she could have the cyclops baby that would continue on her race. You have to analyze her goal with Fry, Chaz, and Lars. I could see why she'd want to get pregnant to Chaz- back then, importance was important to her. If she got pregnant to Chaz, he'd be obligated to marry her. The only other reason I could figure with Chaz is the fact that sex is fun. I don't have to go further on that. When Fry had the parasites, if Leela got pregnant then, her child would probably been as brilliant and athletic as Fry, plus she'd have the brilliant and athletic father on the side. My theory doesn't support why she would have done it with Lars. She was in love, and a stable relationship at that time, so maybe they could have handled a baby (well, Leela).

Maybe I'm getting that all wrong. Leela just seems to responsible (well, ignoring Zapp's case) to have sex with all these different men without waiting until they were in a stable relationship (like marriage) because she is fully aware of the risk (children). The only thing that I could think of that would contradict my reason above is if Leela really is infertile, like I could believe.

I pray that if the point where Fry marries Leela is reached, the writers don't have them marry with a child on the way like when Homer and Marge were getting married in "The Simpsons". On this, I highly doubt that Fry and Leela would marry just to avoid having a child out of wedlock. For one, children born out of wedlock nowadays are more accepted. Two, Fry and Leela will probably marry for love.

If you ask me, I believe that the pregnancy would be accidental. Although the future would bring advancement in reproductive technologies, I question whether or not Fry and Leela would seek out assistance on having children. The government and society's not going to be accepting of a human-human mutant couple coming into a hospital and getting tested to see if they are compatible. Also, right now at age 33, they're nearing 35, the age when fertility rates start noticeably declining. Any generation, that seems to remain a constant. Then, we have no clue what would happen when you put in the fact that Fry's a human and Leela's a mutated human into play. From this, I believe that Fry and Leela are probably going to have so much trouble conceiving, they no longer consider it a reason to have sex after a while.

Tomorrow I'll tell about my crazy little world of fanon on this topic. I just need some input on my theory. I question it myself; like I've already stated, there's not much evidence to base it off of. I don't even want to believe it, either. It's probably the most ridiculous thing I've came up with.
futz
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« Reply #77 on: 02-12-2008 21:29 »

You're forgetting her years of wild hedonism.   flirt
Frisco17

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« Reply #78 on: 02-12-2008 21:35 »

 
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:

Maybe I'm getting that all wrong. Leela just seems to responsible (well, ignoring Zapp's case) to have sex with all these different men without waiting until they were in a stable relationship (like marriage) because she is fully aware of the risk (children).

The only problem with that theory is the fact that people have sex all the time married or not and don't have children, usually becuase of birth control of some sort. I would assume that's something that would have been totally perfected in 1,000 years.

 
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
Also, right now at age 33, they're nearing 35, the age when fertility rates start noticeably declining. Any generation, that seems to remain a constant. Then, we have no clue what would happen when you put in the fact that Fry's a human and Leela's a mutated human into play.

As far as age is concerned I think we discussed earlier that ages are most likely different in the future. I mean the Professor is 160 odd years old and he's in better shape than most 90 year olds now.

NastyInThePasty

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« Reply #79 on: 02-12-2008 22:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:Philip J. Fry (with Parasites)- Well, we can assume that she "might" have had sex with Fry up until the point when he got rid of the worms, on account of the fluffy lingerie she was wearing. This puzzles me.

Now, I seriously doubt Leela and Fry slept together before the night he first played the Holophoner for her. I took Leela's sexy teddy as her announcing to fry that she was unquestionably "giving" herself to him for the first time ("Oh, that's okay, Fry, I'm still all seduced from before." ).

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