Various comments on earlier postings in this thread:
Firstly I’m surprised in many ways that the release of BBS didn’t spurn a greater burst of activity on this thread, though the impression I’m getting (having not yet seen BBS) is that it may have helped sound the death knell for the ubiquitous Fry / Leela Ship!??
Originally posted by Ralph Snart:When she lays dying in a hospital bed, who is by her side? Adlai? Zapp? Chaz? Alkazar? No. The only person in the world who gives two shits about her. Fry. What did his heroic gestuer get him? A new spleen and nothing else. And before anybody says anything, Leela has never put her life at risk for anybody - much less Fry. I can see the self-centered witch standing by as Fry gets killed, only to realize that he was the only real friend she had in the world.
No, Leela has now become the most selfish, self-centered, cruel, manipulating character ever to evolve in the Groening universe.
I agree to some extent, and looking back over the episodes, there is a lot to justify this position even from the stand point of having not seen BBS.
What does come to mind, and here is where I’m not entirely in the Anti-Leela cult ! is the thought that had Fry arrived a few years later, and here I’m also wondering if Fry himself had perhaps been a bit older at the time when he’d been Frozen, then things may have panned out a different way.
Originally posted by Archonix:The way I see it; Leela has emotional problems that prevents her from forming a deep bond with Fry for any long period of time, on top of which she has a lingering view of him as a stupid kid. It's an image that'll be hard for Fry to shake off simply because first impressions count for so much. She has shown emotional attachment to him, though, but she has a problem acknowledging that because she needs security. She gravitates toward "strong" men, that much is obvious. If she can get over that need for security she'll come out of her shell toward Fry.
The notion that Leela could still shake off these emotional problems, given time
is what inspires in me the notion that, further down the road things could still work out between Fry and Leela.
I’ am wondering hence if there’s perhaps scope for a scenario in which Fry for whatever reason ended up meeting Leela in the future say 10 years ahead of where Futurama is set presently and from there for things to work out.
Originally posted by Archonix:
I don't disagree, I just don't think it's fair to label her as so venal. She's damaged and needs sympathy.
And a good kick in the pants.
But mostly sympathy.
…..And time and space away from Fry, if she is ever to really love him. If Fry is the one who ‘Fixes’ her, I doubt very much whether he would end up being the one she falls in love with even though she might then be capable of falling in love.
I say this both from professional and personal experience.
Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Baloney. We could all use events in our lives as excuses for being arseholes. Hell, I've had a complete bastard of a life up to this point, but I'm not even going to go into it because no event and no person is ever responsible for who you are except you yourself.
I think people who say "I am the way I am because this thing happened to me" are the most useless pissweak lumps of wasted organic matter ever to sully this sacred Earth.
You are what you make of yourself.
Up to a point, but we all have inherent (genetically determined) strengths and vulnerabilities, from which we can’t escape, the key is in making the best of what we have and
in having the insight and motivation to recognize our strengths and utilise them.
The past does shape who we are, to deny that is...well denial!
My wife’s brother took coldangel’s attitude for years ( they had an horrific upbringing ) and spent a good part of his life indoors, afraid, angry, being an internet nerd and hating the world, afraid to get close to anyone. He met a nice girl a few years ago and is now working and having a life and he can see now how much all that shit held him back.
Back to Leela, she has some shit to shoot before she is ready for Fry.
The question remains though is it worthwhile Fry waiting until then?
Personally I’m keen on the suggestions that Fry looks further a field, But not necessarily for a serious relationship maybe having some fun out and about with bender ‘scoring some cheap floosies!’