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coldangel
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Dudes... illegality.
I hope you'll all buy the DVD as well.
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coldangel
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Re: 'thanksgiving'
What are you giving thanks for, and to whom?
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coldangel
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I see.
*(doesn't)*
We just have Christmas.
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coldangel
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<<christian and pre-christian tradition of gathering up the crops before winter and then feasting >>
We Australians refer to this as a 'Barbeque' or 'BBQ'.
Honestly, you humans and your grovelling to deities... [God]Every time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy"...[/God]
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Xanfor
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Originally posted by Bendersfan1221:
Everything we have. We thank "God" for it. I don't really get the god stuff. You know I never really understood the holidy. Basically pilgrims came and started America and killed the Natie Americans and we celebrate the Native helping us to survive the winter even though we basically took them over. Us Native Americans aren't still griping about it, and neither should you. There is no one alive today responsible for the events of the past. Anyway, last night I watched the film. Yes, I did. And although I don't quite agree with JustNibblin''s 'controversial' shippy rating, I can agree there's gonna be a lot of discussion here soon... Ethical discussion. Also, a certain line towards the beginning smells largely of that post by Shiny I quoted on the first page... I'll save my big review for the 27th. I'm still analyzing it's shippy factor. As well as it's connections with Devil's Hands. The latter is looking very hopeful. The former... ...is driving me insane! It's both happy and sad at the same time! But not in the good way like the last scene in Titanic, which was both happy and sad. Here, it's either happy or sad and they've made it impossible to tell which! Eh! Also, last night, I played a game of Yahtzee. I lost. Oh, and before I forget... In order to commemorate the film, I think it's time for another Shippy Fanart/Logo competition! I got inspired by a certain line from BBS. People mocked me... But who's lucky now?! 
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Xanfor
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« Reply #536 on: 11-23-2007 09:59 »
« Last Edit on: 11-23-2007 09:59 »
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I was the only person who lost. What are those odds? Coincidence? I think not! No, not melancholic, really. Close to that feeling, definitely. Smart lady you've got there, to be sure. But it still needs some refining adjectives... I've got it! 'Moderately confusing psychogenic malaise'! Yeah. That's what it caused in me. 'Moderately confusing psychogenic malaise'. I'll tell you why once we've all seen it.  |
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Ralph Snart
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Near Death Star Inhabitant
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I placed my review in the "Bender's Big Score Review" section. Most of you won't be pleased by what I wrote. Let's just say that I wasn't too kind in my review and the Leela-lovers will absolutely want my hide after reading what I feel about her.
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Frisco17
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
[God]Every time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy"...[/God] HA! 500 points to Coldy for the Python reference. Anyway I found out today that since FOX screwed up they shipped my DVD early so that it will arrive on monday. Bad news is I'll be hunting in the mountains until tuesday night so I guess it evens out. Also I seem to be back to normal if anyone noticed.
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coldangel
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Frisco - What are you hunting? MILFs?
SlackJaw - homo-erotic Trek-Porn is the new black.
Ralph, Xan, Arch - You smarmy bastards and your DVDs... there's still no word on when the movie is gonna make it to this Region-4 backwater...
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Xanfor
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
I placed my review in the "Bender's Big Score Review" section. Most of you won't be pleased by what I wrote. Let's just say that I wasn't too kind in my review and the Leela-lovers will absolutely want my hide after reading what I feel about her. I read it. And I'll tell you what, Ralph, now that you've freed me from my quest to find some extenuation by showing me what exactly I was seeking extenuation for, I can see you're pretty much absolutely right. And now that I've said that, there is going to be some 'controversy' here... Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
See, this is what I get for daring to venture on-topic.
Homo-erotic Trek-Porn.
That's only because those two have gotten more canon action than Fry and Leela have.
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Ralph Snart
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Go ahead and hate me for showing you the way, Xanfor. I barely tolerated Leela's attitude towards Fry during the series, but after this movie, the way she treats him makes me totally despise her.
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km73
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Yes she did prance them around; at least Chaz-the-mayor's-aide, anyway. And Adlai. I have now heard the end; couldn't get a picture though. Verrry hard to tell what exactly was going on just from the audio. I still don't get the part. So I'm still reserving my opinion about the ending. But I guess I'll post some sort of a review soon. |
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Ralph Snart
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Leela: I've met another guy that I'm in love with. I'll show him off like some sort of trophy. Oh, especially in front of Fry. Yeah Fry, see what you want and can't have?
(Romance goes astray)
Leela: Let me dump all my feelings on Fry. He's my 'friend'. He's always there to comfort me.
Turanga Leela needs professional help and a Prozac the size of a softball. Oh, and a clue.
When I started watching the series, I sympathized with Leela - hard life, issues with abandoment, etc. Then she gets her dream job, finds her parents, etc. You'd think that she'd start showing a little compassion towards the people who care about her, yet as the series progressed she seemed to become more manipulative, cold and crass towards Fry.
So Leela's getting her shit together - what about Fry? He has lost everything dear to him - Seymour, his family, etc.
I'm going to have the wrath of Venus and Shiny (MIA, we miss you) cast upon me like a Bibical curse, but I don't care. Leela's crassness and cold-hearted way she treats Fry, yet runs to him when life starts to come apart for her isn't love, isn't friendship, but the marks of a true, feminine manipulator with a block of ice where her heart should be.
My wife is trying to tell me that Leela made amends at the very end of BBS, but to me it was typical, "Well, that didn't work out, let me go back to Fry, he'll comfort me."
Turanga Leela, bite my hairy, white ass.
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Archonix
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« Reply #548 on: 11-24-2007 11:07 »
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[edit]
Having now watched it, I can conclusively say that not only is Ralph's rant not even remotely justified, the below answer is also stupid since it's not based on what actually happened.
So take it all with a pinch of salt...
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I suspect that may be part of Fry's infatuation with her, actually. I agree that she can be... difficult to get along with (and I may well win the understatement of the century award for that one) but her behaviour is actually consistent with the sort of life she's lived. I've seen and worked with people who have had a really hard life up to a point and then started to get the life they always dreamed about. The most common reaction is pretty much how Leela reacts. They can't handle it. It almost goes to their head. They often treat close friends quite badly, splash out their new-found freedom on wasted things (equivalent to Fry flaunting the jerks she dates - living on the wild side and all that). After a while they start to get a grip on things again and it's usually then that they turn to the supportive "friend" for genuine reasons. Sometimes these friends have had enough and moved on. Sometimes they're the sort of people who are willing to wait through that crappy period.
We've seen aspects of Leela that prove she can be caring and loving and all that stuff. She can be tough without being callous. Right now, if she were a real person, she'd be at a stage where there's only so much advice you could give her without pushing her into complete denial about her behaviour. She's in an abusive mode, but that sort of behaviour will pass eventually as she matures into the new aspects of her life.
I know we've had well over two years between Leela's Homeworld and the events of BBS but that's from our point of view only. The writers haven't had two seasons of episodes to chart her life during that period which means that she has not changed.
To me, this sounds like the sort of behaviour an adolescent goes through toward the end of puberty. They occasionally rvvert to an extremely childlike behaviour, not because that's how they want to be but because it's secure. Leela finds security in acting like a jerk because that's all she's known, and because she's temporarily reverting she acts it out to an extreme. All I can say is, have a little faith. She'll get over it. The only question is whether Fry can have that faith.
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Frisco17
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« Reply #550 on: 11-24-2007 20:17 »
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Woah people seem to be getting pretty worked up. Just like the good old days!! It's a shame I'm not gonna be here to see it. I'm just gonna continue to refrain from commenting until I see it. I already jumped the gun a few times. Amy: "Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me." Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Frisco - What are you hunting? MILFs? Also, for the record Coldy, I'll be hunting deer. |
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Archonix
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I just don't see it. perhaps I'm just not as jaded but, apart from the "rejection" of the ending of Devils Hands, there's nothing that seemed particularly overtly hostile toward Fry. In my mind that ending altered their relationship, certainly, but there was no firm evidence that it had any permanent effect or that the alteration actually moved them any closer to a romantic relationship. Just in case... Lets face it, without realising it had happened in the film, she fell for Fry. He was an older and more mature Fry, but he was still Fry and he embodied everything good about the Fry we're used to without the immature baggage he drags along with him at the moment. She all but said that at the funeral.
I'll have to watch it again, but i didn't see any overt flaunting or cruel behaviour toward Fry with the relationship. In fact what I saw was Leela simply falling in love. When you fall in love you say and do stupid things. I also saw Fry acting very badly about it (see previous point about stupid things), then maturing a little bit and trying to give Leela what he thought she wanted. She wasn't particularly kind to Lars when he dumped her at the altar
and after that she was too down about losing the man she thought she'd spend the rest of her life with to acknowledge anyone else. Especially Fry, who probably reminded her of Lars in far too many ways to be comfortable.
IMO there's still hope. There's always hope. I suspect your big beef is the apparent retconning of Devils Hands but, like I said, that was never meant to imply anything apart from Fry's desires about how things would go. Leela didn't outright reject Fry, she just found a better Fry. |
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« Reply #553 on: 11-24-2007 21:41 »
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She may have found a better Fry but it's still Fry. He may not be as mature as that Fry but He's still Fry she fell for Fry wether she wants to accept that or not. She now knows how Fry can be and should at least give him a chance because she's fallen for him twice (or was it 3 I'm still not sure about how I view it in Parasites Lost) so far and even married him once In fact she was going to again. In fact the only reason why he dumped her at the alter was because he knew it would hurt her more if he died suddenly later on. There was another Fry there and he was hoping that he's accept the younger version of himself at some point as to who is/was. She is capable of loving him but she just wont accept that Fry is Fry no matter the age or maturity. |
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Decapodian
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Let's just say that this movie pushed me over the edge and I'm now a complete "Anti-Shipper". They can write the frickin' Fry/Leela romance completely out of the series. To me it would improve things tremendously. Let Fry go back to this point:
"Fifty bucks? Not even if she was my girlfriend. You take her!"
I'd almost rather see Fry and Bender become a Robo-sexual couple and discard Leela like she seems to discard her friends when things are going well for her.
Let the purple-haired imbecile go back to the life of being alone. It's what she deserves. I have to agree with you there Ralph. Leela does kinds act like a bitch sometimes. Fry and Bender, hey? Or how about the ever so disturbing possibility that the writers develop a Fry/Prof thing going on. And then, even more disturbing, no-one will want to go out with Leela after that and so she turns to the only person who'll have her. Leela/Zoidberg. *shudders* There's probably a Leela/Zoidberg fan-fic lying somewhere in the depths of cyberspace. If there's a Fry/Zapp fic then there could be anything out there.
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SonicPanther
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Hating Leela for being bitchy? What a concept! Hey, while we're at it, let's hate Bender for being a jerk, Fry for being immature, Hermes for being anal, and the Professor for being a crotchety old man.
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