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HipNoJoe
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« Reply #40 on: 10-10-2007 22:26 »
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That's a fair question. It's all about what happens at the ending of Crustacean in Love.

This infertility discussion reminds me that Fry is apparently made infertile by the F-ray in the Slurm Factory episode.  That might be a good thing for Fry and Leela so they don't have any tentacled children who get banished to the sewers.  Possible mutant kids aside, should either of them care about that?  In this day and age is it wrong for a person to want to have their own biological children so badly that they turn down a potential mate?  It's a moot point for Amy and Kiff. I'm sure that would not stand in the way for Fry. Leela was willing (wanting?) to adopt with Adlai, but she has also been known to long for the "perfect life" with a Senator for a husband and presumably their own offspring at home...
Nobody tell me this has been discussed before; I'm sure it has, along with everything else!

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« Reply #41 on: 10-10-2007 22:42 »
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I thought Fry's "infertility" was just his sperm being wiped out for that episode (he even cries out, "Ow, my sperm!" which... looking back doesn't make much sense given that, to my knowledge, men cannot feel the condition of their own sperm...), and since sperm can regenerate itself, he was more than fertile enough when the time called for it.

That, or, "the worms fixed him." :P Either way, "Roswell That Ends Well" proves that he's fine in the reproduction department now.

I don't want to digress into my thoughts on the matter of mutated Fry/Leela offspring, because that's just going to lead into a long and tedious rant about my fan character(s), but I agree that it should be an issue they consider if their relationship ever progresses that far.  I don't think they'd break up and try to find "more compatable" partners over it, but it's not something they can ignore, either (unless they adopt, or just choose to not have kids).

Although none of Kif's kids seemed to be any more mutated than Leela herself, so perhaps her gametes/genes aren't as susceptible to mutations as those of the other mutants?
km73

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« Reply #42 on: 10-10-2007 22:48 »

The thing I always heard was that Fry may have been rendered infertile by the F-ray, but the worms re-fertilized him in Parasites Lost. I don't know if this is true or not. And anyway in 3000 they probably have ways of getting around it if they'd want to have offspring.
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« Reply #43 on: 10-10-2007 23:59 »

Another thing could be that the mutants are evolving to be less mutated, Leela being a the head of the pack. (Man, I'd hate to see what that leg guy evolved from.)
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« Reply #44 on: 10-11-2007 00:22 »

 
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Originally posted by km73:
The thing I always heard was that Fry may have been rendered infertile by the F-ray, but the worms re-fertilized him in Parasites Lost. I don't know if this is true or not. And anyway in 3000 they probably have ways of getting around it if they'd want to have offspring.

i heard that too; i think it was confirmed on the commentary for parasites lost? i'm not 100% though.
1futuramafan1

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« Reply #45 on: 10-11-2007 19:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Frisco17:
I don't see how him being infertile would prevent him from dieing. Infertile people can still have sex it just can't result in pregnency.

  A lot of animals are like that.  Having the baby takes a great toll on their body so they die.  But that is usually for female animals so I don't know...

Frisco17

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« Reply #46 on: 10-11-2007 22:17 »

 
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Originally posted by 1futuramafan1:
   A lot of animals are like that.  Having the baby takes a great toll on their body so they die.  But that is usually for female animals so I don't know...


Unless its a praying mantis or something where the female kills the male afterwards.
bend_her

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« Reply #47 on: 10-12-2007 03:30 »

Actually, most such cases involve death of the male, particularly among spiders. Other species do this too.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #48 on: 10-12-2007 05:10 »

Leela could be a candidate for maternal death if she ever got pregnant. The stress of birthing a child could damage her to the point.
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« Reply #49 on: 10-12-2007 20:10 »

 
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Leela could be a candidate for maternal death if she ever got pregnant. The stress of birthing a child could damage her to the point.
Such pessimism...

Or how about Fry and Leela get married, have their little one eyed, orange haired offspring, and live to the healthy age of 160 together.

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« Reply #50 on: 10-12-2007 20:58 »

Horray for optimism!
1futuramafan1

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« Reply #51 on: 10-12-2007 21:28 »

 
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Originally posted by bend_her:
Actually, most such cases involve death of the male, particularly among spiders. Other species do this too.

Hmm...that's interesting...I wouldn't think male spiders would be affected by sex.  Guess I'll read about it...

 
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Such pessimism...
Or how about Fry and Leela get married, have their little one eyed, orange haired offspring, and live to the healthy age of 160 together.

  I wish that everything had a happy sappy ending.  Unfortunately, most people would get tired of that.  I guess I have to live with a happy medium...
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« Reply #52 on: 10-13-2007 03:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Sine Wave:
Another thing could be that the mutants are evolving to be less mutated, Leela being a the head of the pack. (Man, I'd hate to see what that leg guy evolved from.)

The leg guy's a throwback.

Twilight is quite possibly the worst popular book ever written.
any1else

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« Reply #53 on: 10-13-2007 09:00 »

 
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Originally posted by bend_her:
Actually, most such cases involve death of the male, particularly among spiders. Other species do this too.
  laff I remember long ago, when Buffy was first on TV, there was an episode about some kind of praying mantis-woman. When I saw that I thought it would be so great to be a praying mantis...I think it was on Buffy anyway.

 
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Originally posted by 1futuramafan1:
I wish that everything had a happy sappy ending. Unfortunately, most people would get tired of that. I guess I have to live with a happy medium...
Mm, I'd get tired of it. Without some sort of conflict there's no story! Although I guess having children can be a conflict in itself..but I'd say that's been overdone.
bend_her

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« Reply #54 on: 10-13-2007 15:44 »

From empirical and anecdotal evidence, it would seem like human males suffer a similar fate, except it's all drawn-out and slow.
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« Reply #55 on: 10-13-2007 21:44 »

Hey hey. Just wanted to pop in and say hi  smile Hope everyone is doing alright and stuff. Major kudos to Xanfor for keeping the Shipping thread going too.  big grin
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« Reply #56 on: 10-14-2007 21:22 »
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Originally posted by bend_her:
From empirical and anecdotal evidence, it would seem like human males suffer a similar fate, except it's all drawn-out and slow.

That is an exellent point. See this is why that fate awaits us. We didn't even notice it until you pointed it out.
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« Reply #57 on: 10-15-2007 07:47 »

 
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Originally posted by bend_her:
From empirical and anecdotal evidence, it would seem like human males suffer a similar fate, except it's all drawn-out and slow.

Aye, it's a sair fecht!

and in a bizzare twist of Irony, married men apparently live even longer than singles!
any1else

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« Reply #58 on: 10-15-2007 07:56 »

 
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Originally posted by gaschief:
and in a bizzare twist of Irony, married men apparently live even longer than singles!

Because the women believe they deserve a slow painful death?
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« Reply #59 on: 10-15-2007 14:47 »
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Originally posted by gaschief:
and in a bizzare twist of Irony, married men apparently live even longer than singles!

Men need women to do their laundry.   hmpf

We need more conversation. The pregnancy topic is too complicated just for a thread on relationships (as shown on the previous shipper's thread). If somebody could please resurrect an old thread about it, or make a new thread? I've got a lot to say, but I don't think it can all be said here.

I truly deserve a double slap following a mighty kick in the crotch for this question I'm going to ask. I know I am a shipper, and yes, I am truly not questioning this- I'm just trying to get more talk out of the shipping community. So, here it is: Why does Fry love Leela?

That should do it.
gaschief

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« Reply #60 on: 10-15-2007 17:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
  Men need women to do their laundry.    hmpf

I can do laundry, just NOT ironing!   wink

Seriously what's not to like about Leela, she is awesome.

Cynically I sort of wonder if Fry just wants Leela to substitute his inability to be decisive. A bit like Basil Fawlty and Cybil in Fawlty Towers, he is such a spineless man in that show and she so forthright, it makes for amazing comedic scenarios.

I do think Leelas appearance of being in control is attractive to Fry, perhaps because it is something he would like to be able to do. She has a warmth too though, probably something he never got much of from his freaky parents. Yeh, perhaps the fact that Leela has a warmth that is quite guarded by her defensiveness suits Fry, because he was not reared on open expression of affection by his crazy paranoid parents.
Oh and as i've said before, she has nice big perky boobs that are accentuated by the tank tops she wears all the time!  smile
km73

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« Reply #61 on: 10-15-2007 18:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
I truly deserve a double slap following a mighty kick in the crotch for this question I'm going to ask. I know I am a shipper, and yes, I am truly not questioning this- I'm just trying to get more talk out of the shipping community. So, here it is: Why does Fry love Leela?

Well, that's a pretty good question. I think maybe he loves her for being different; for being so protective of him all the time; and maybe, yeah, as a bit of a substitute for maternal love at first; after all in episodes like My Three Suns I always thought she acted kind of like his mother. But evidently it grew beyond this the more and more he worked with her and got to know her. He constantly sees how competent she is and how she can handle anything. But he also started seeing her vulnerabilities, as in ABBFT and LH.
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« Reply #62 on: 10-15-2007 18:31 »
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Yeh there's something comforting and motherly about Leela ( aside from the boobs    wink )
Until Fry Matures more in the later episodes you get the impression that Leela is quite a bit older than Fry. The dynamic of the relationship is certainly very Mother / Son, in the early stages
km73

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« Reply #63 on: 10-15-2007 18:42 »

Yes, that's why it always suited me to think of her as 2 or 3 years older than him. I prefer that to them being the same age. But I think the fact that they shared that tender moment already in the first episode caused him to see that she was the type that would do something like take her own career chip out rather than stick to something she didn't believe in.
Oh, I didn't mention, she acts very bossy towards him on the moon, too. It was only later that they started interacting more as equals.
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« Reply #64 on: 10-15-2007 18:57 »
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She is really bossy on the moon, but then that's her first shot at being the captain. Also there's that moment at the old moon landing site where Fry convinces Leela of the romantiscism of early space exploration! That was a significant moment in defining Fry as a passionate person in the eyes of Leela, even if it didnt at that time much affect her actions toward him. I suspect in the long term it may have contributed to making Fry more Attractive to Leela.

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seattlejohn01

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« Reply #65 on: 10-15-2007 19:47 »

It's interesting that, everytime Fry is able to take a step forward in maturity or in his ability to express his emotions, Leela falls for him.  I wonder if the upcoming episodes will follow on this idea...
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« Reply #66 on: 10-15-2007 19:51 »
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I think its an unspoken absolute at least from a shippers point of view!
It's almost like Leelas waiting for Fry to catch up with her emotionally speaking, then....
1futuramafan1

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« Reply #67 on: 10-15-2007 21:26 »

  The saying "opposites attract" applies to the relationship between Fry and Leela.  Fry admires Leela for being competent, strong-willed, and intelligent.  The thing between Amy and Fry didn't last very long because Amy reminds him too much of himself.  Leela sort of likes Fry because he helps her loosen up and makes her happy.
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« Reply #68 on: 10-15-2007 21:47 »

Yes, but when William Shatner is around, Fry will never have a chance at her. No woman can resist James T. Kirk.
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« Reply #69 on: 10-15-2007 22:17 »

 
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Originally posted by gaschief:
 I can do laundry, just NOT ironing!    wink

Seriously what's not to like about Leela, she is awesome.

Cynically I sort of wonder if Fry just wants Leela to substitute his inability to be decisive. A bit like Basil Fawlty and Cybil in Fawlty Towers, he is such a spineless man in that show and she so forthright, it makes for amazing comedic scenarios.

I do think Leelas appearance of being in control is attractive to Fry, perhaps because it is something he would like to be able to do. She has a warmth too though, probably something he never got much of from his freaky parents. Yeh, perhaps the fact that Leela has a warmth that is quite guarded by her defensiveness suits Fry, because he was not reared on open expression of affection by his crazy paranoid parents.
Oh and as i've said before, she has nice big perky boobs that are accentuated by the tank tops she wears all the time!   smile

I think that sums it up very very well. I never thought about the decisiveness thing though that's a good point.
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« Reply #70 on: 10-16-2007 03:28 »
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
I know I am a shipper, and yes, I am truly not questioning this- I'm just trying to get more talk out of the shipping community. So, here it is: Why does Fry love Leela?

That should do it.
I would definitely say that Fry loves Leela because of the fact that she's different.

She is completely unique, because she's unlike any other girl he's dated in the past (not only because she's a cyclops though).  I would bet that Fry has probably never dated a girl that was as caring, determined, smart, or quite as bossy as Leela.


So yeah, mostly, I would say Fry likes her because she's different.  And he's also attracted to her because of her personality, of course.  ^^

Oh, and like Fry realized in "Space Pilot 3000", he had something in common with Leela from the very beginning.  While Fry's parents were dead at this point in time, Leela's were nowhere to be seen.  She had never known them before, so she and Fry could sort of, sympathize with each other on that matter (that is, until "Leela's Homeworld" anyway - which makes me very sad for Fry, once again).
any1else

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« Reply #71 on: 10-16-2007 07:02 »

 
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Originally posted by FryFangirlLisa:
I would definitely say that Fry loves Leela because of the fact that she's different.

She is completely unique, because she's unlike any other girl he's dated in the past (not only because she's a cyclops though).  I would bet that Fry has probably never dated a girl that was as caring, determined, smart, or quite as bossy as Leela.
My thoughts exactly. He admires her, as 1futuramafan1 said.
What's so wonderful about Leela being normal? The rest of us aren't normal, and that's what makes us great.
They created a bond through being 'different' in their own separate ways, which grew stronger the more they interacted. Fry was just open to it earlier than Leela, assuming she did have some realisations in Devil's Hands.  wink
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« Reply #72 on: 10-16-2007 21:47 »
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My thoughts exactly. He admires her, as 1futuramafan1 said.
What's so wonderful about Leela being normal? The rest of us aren't normal, and that's what makes us great.
They created a bond through being 'different' in their own separate ways, which grew stronger the more they interacted. Fry was just open to it earlier than Leela, assuming she did have some realisations in Devil's Hands.    wink

  Normal people are boring.  As Fry said, Leela is "abnormal", not normal. Although he was referring to her eye in that episode, it definitely goes deeper than that as you all previously stated. 

  That's why it's good to be weird and freaky in your own little way!   wink

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« Reply #73 on: 10-16-2007 21:58 »

Also, Leela gave Fry direction in life, something he never had before. Before he met her, no one was really interested in helping him for his own good, or getting him to improve himself. Because it was new to him, he struggled with it early on, during the 'maternal' stage as it has been referred to. However, as he grows and gains more of Leela's respect, he comes to realize his feelings for her, which come from the mesh of their personalities, his admiration of her, and his already strong attachment to her, and probably and endless amount of other reasons. In a way, his chasing her is him continuing her encouragement to his fullest capability, possibly the only thing he's ever done to his fullest capability. Leela essentially made him into a new man (while still remaining the same Fry, if that makes sense), and gave his life meaning.
any1else

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« Reply #74 on: 10-16-2007 22:15 »

Fry and Leela sitting in a tree, about to lose their privacy...

 
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Leela essentially made him into a new man (while still remaining the same Fry, if that makes sense), and gave his life meaning.
Indeed. If there's anything I picked up from high school English/learning how to teach various aspects of the language to littlies, it's that everything is about meaning. Fry and Leela give each other meaning, so when Leela's mind thought Fry had died she lost control of herself, and when Leela was out with Chaz Fry felt useless. How many other people affect them in such ways?
Sine Wave

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« Reply #75 on: 10-16-2007 22:22 »

This again ties into Leela's hesitation/reluctance to be in a relationship with Fry. Close relationships, romantic or otherwise, are for her associated with loss, betrayal and abandonment. For her to lose Fry would devastate her, and she doesn't want to risk it. At least, not until TDHAIP anyway.  wink
any1else

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« Reply #76 on: 10-16-2007 22:31 »

The only problem I see with not wanting to lose him would be the fact that it may have eventually tired Fry out, since they did share a few mutual moments, such as at the end of Love and Rocket. It's like she's tempting him with what he already wants, so for her to keep taking it back would be a lot of strain on him. What if he realised it was never going to happen and had to leave because it hurt him too much to be around her as just her friend? She'd lose him then, too.
At least with TDHAIP there was a big nod in Fry's direction. But imagine if she did back out from that.
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« Reply #77 on: 10-16-2007 22:44 »

Well, my take on the tempting is that it's what Leela really wants to do, but won't let herself under normal circumstances. All of the times she's really reciprocated to Fry have been impulsive actions, like how she kisses him on a spur of the moment in TWOF but is back to refusing a date from him in TFP.

Anywho, I think Fry went through trying to get over Leela at the end of Season 3 after the Time Skips, but again, this is different, because he didn't have the reciprocation she gave in Season 4. I still can't see Fry being hurt enough to leave her, I still think he'd stay her friend no matter how torn up he was on the inside. However, finally getting to your hypothetical question, if he did leave, Leela would probably end up pursuing him, and we'd have half the Futurama fanfictions ever written.

My main point, is that from a logistical standpoint Leela is in relatively no fear of losing Fry as things are, and in her mind a relationship could lead to the end of their friendship. If Fry did leave out of Leela rejecting him, Leela would go after him, and have to overcome the fears that had her drive him away in the first place, and convince Fry she's not just leading him on again. However, i don't really see that happening.
any1else

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« Reply #78 on: 10-16-2007 22:54 »

No, I don't see it happening either. Seeing how they're fictional characters and all, but it just crossed my mind that it mustn't be much fun for Fry, but this is just a personal experience thing so I'll shut up.
Although Fry may be able to see that Leela is hesitant for her own personal reasons, it would still be affecting him in that she won't give him a chance, of all people. Even in just caring about her as a friend, he is able to see that her other relationships with the 'jerks' are not doing her any justice.
Sine Wave

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« Reply #79 on: 10-16-2007 23:14 »

Well, that could be part of what drives him to try and get her. Maybe he sees they'd make a good couple, or he feels like he could treat her a lot better than anyone she's been with before.
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