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FryFangirlLisa

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« Reply #680 on: 09-27-2007 06:30 »

Hmm...

Since I like Fry a lot myself, I don't tend to ship him with anyone in particular.  Hehe, lol.  XD 

I mean, sure Fry really likes Leela and has an obvious crush on her, but she doesn't appear to like him back (not yet anyway).  In my opinion, she only likes him as a friend.


Anyway, my favorite shipping in Futurama is definitely:  Fry and Nibbler.

For some reason, I just found it very cute.  And I especially liked the Fry and Nibbler scenes from "The Why of Fry".  ^_^


I also like Fry and Seymour (my second favorite ship).  Aww, they're cute together.  XD
km73

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« Reply #681 on: 09-27-2007 14:39 »

 
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Originally posted by FryFangirlLisa:...but she doesn't appear to like him back (not yet anyway).  In my opinion, she only likes him as a friend.

So what's your opinion of her reaction to his "death" in The Sting then? Mainly guilt? (No, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really asking).
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #682 on: 09-27-2007 15:06 »

 
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Originally posted by FryFangirlLisa:
I mean, sure Fry really likes Leela and has an obvious crush on her, but she doesn't appear to like him back (not yet anyway).  In my opinion, she only likes him as a friend.

  eek

Are you serious?!? For real?!? You don't EVER say or think that again! Don't get me started on this...
km73

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« Reply #683 on: 09-27-2007 15:17 »

No, Frida, come on. Let her defend herself.  smile
gaschief

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« Reply #684 on: 09-27-2007 17:32 »

 
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Originally posted by km73:
 So what's your opinion of her reaction to his "death" in The Sting then? Mainly guilt? (No, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really asking).

People harbour all manner of complex fantasies that are perhaps just on the edge of or out of reach of normal waking consciousness. The coma state provided a fantastic vehicle for these fantasies to be lived out. This is a fantastic episode and perhaps my personal favourtite, the point being though that despite the beauty and apparent legitimacy of Leelas feelings for Fry in this 'state of consciousness' I'm not sure if they would bare up under the cold light of day.
This all being said this is a cartoon and hence a fantasy in itself, so I guess there's no reason why this fantasy reality might not become real.
I do have this fear though that if the fantasy ( of Fry and Leela being openly in love) was seen out, some of the magic of the show might be lost. In some ways the possibility of this happening might just always be better than the actual event. Maybe we should have a few more episodes in the style of the sting, perhaps in some other dimension were Fry and Leelas dreams are made solid. Personally I'd be happier with this than the entire show having Fry and leela as an established couple.

*Awaits backlash of entire shipping community!*
coldangel

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« Reply #685 on: 09-27-2007 19:14 »
« Last Edit on: 09-27-2007 19:14 by coldangel_1 »

The prolonging of unresolved romances is expected by the audience because you/we have been programmed with that expectation by generations of the same formula being used on TV dramas and films to keep people coming back to see what will happen.
Really says a lot about how stupid we are that we could be so predictable and malleable; we've been conditioned into the expectation that the romantic leads expressing their feelings marks the END of the show... that isn't a principle established out of real life, it's Hollywood's cynical ratings machine actually having brainwashed us into thinking that love must be the end of it all... the thing that's dangled tentitively in front of our noses to lure us along.

We are such stupid ridiculous sheep... I hold us in contempt.

If you try to think outside the established norm, and stop kowtowing to generic expectation, then you could see that the show changing to follow Fry courting a receptive Leela, and the ups and downs of a romantic relationship between the pair, could be every bit as interesting as the tried-and-true formulaic Hollywood unresolved romantic tension bunk.
Besides which, there are pleanty of other reasons why we watch the show. Like the comedy... and the sci-fi... right?
km73

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« Reply #686 on: 09-27-2007 20:59 »

  confused   confused
I was just asking a new person what her opinion of the Sting was, that's all.

I absolutely started watching the show for the comedy and intelligence aspects of it, not the romance at all. Resolved or unresolved. In fact, as i think i've said somewhere before, I didn't even really see the shippy aspect coming because I was watching them out of order.
I am not a regular TV watcher (at least, not sitcoms, anyway), I see very few Hollywood movies, and in general I was never a particularly "shippy" person. However somehow Fry and Leela won me over. I am still not sure entirely why. Maybe because they are such wonderful and well-written characters...I have said, though, that I would prefer it if their "ending" is left open, not because I have been "brainwashed" by anything, but simply because I think it should be left to the imagination. Much as they did in the first place.
I enjoy their interaction as friends, I think it's clear that she cares about him more than she knows, but it's exactly because I haven't been "brainwashed" by anything that i don't see why the show would need to end in a wedding, the way so many things do. I just think it's cliche.
FryFangirlLisa

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« Reply #687 on: 09-27-2007 21:53 »
« Last Edit on: 09-27-2007 21:53 »

     
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Originally posted by km73:
 So what's your opinion of her reaction to his "death" in The Sting then? Mainly guilt? (No, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really asking).
Yeah, I would say the reason for her reaction was, well, mostly guilt.  Although, there is another reason...

First of all, let me say that I believe Leela doesn't seem to be attracted to Fry (romance wise).  However, despite this, she still has a special place in her heart for the guy, because he is a very close friend.  And this makes perfect sense to me.  Because after everything they've been through together and after they've known each other for so long - it's inevitable that they would become close friends.


Anyway, my point is though, I think this may have been why Leela acted that way in "The Sting", when she believed Fry had died.  Putting her guilt aside, the main thing is, she didn't want Fry to die, because she truly cared about him as a friend.  It's love, but not the romance kind - instead it's a love connection that close friends share with one another.


     
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Originally posted by gaschief:
I do have this fear though that if the fantasy ( of Fry and Leela being openly in love) was seen out, some of the magic of the show might be lost. In some ways the possibility of this happening might just always be better than the actual event. Maybe we should have a few more episodes in the style of the sting, perhaps in some other dimension were Fry and Leelas dreams are made solid. Personally I'd be happier with this than the entire show having Fry and leela as an established couple.

*Awaits backlash of entire shipping community!*
Ah, yes.

I complete agree with you there!!  ^^


That was well said.


     
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Originally posted by km73:
I have said, though, that I would prefer it if their "ending" is left open, not because I have been "brainwashed" by anything, but simply because I think it should be left to the imagination. Much as they did in the first place.
I enjoy their interaction as friends, I think it's clear that she cares about him more than she knows, but it's exactly because I haven't been "brainwashed" by anything that i don't see why the show would need to end in a wedding, the way so many things do. I just think it's cliche.
Yeah, that's pretty much my opinion as well.

Personally, I'm satisfied with Fry and Leela just being good friends.  But IF they dated, I would be okay with it for like...a few episodes or something (but nothing big or serious though).


And by the way, I've never been much of a shipper either (other than liking several "odd" shippings which few people like, lol).  XD

But anyway, as far as Leela and Fry goes, I've always seen it as being rather one-sided with Fry asking Leela out so often (and Leela not being interested in him, in that sort of way).

Heh, I tend to like one-sided things.  They can be fun most of the time!!  ^^


And again, overall, I do believe Leela sees him more as a close friend, rather than say - a boyfriend/lover.  However, in some cases and in certain episodes ("Parasite Lost", "Devils Hands", etc) Leela will see a different side to Fry than before...and that's when she realizes there is a lot more to him than meets the eye.  It's these episodes that make me wonder if maybe, just maybe, Leela could be hiding the fact that she really does like him (as more than a friend).  Of course, if she really does like him, then she sure has a clever way of "hiding" her secret - by acting as if she isn't even remotely interested in Fry, romance wise. LOL.  XD

On the other hand, if that really is the way Leela feels about him, this wouldn't be the first time in a show where the female character "hides" her true feelings of love by acting as if she's not interested (Misty from Pokemon comes to mind here, since I see that as another one sided shipping - the only difference is that Misty has a crush on Ash, but of course Ash has no romantic feelings towards anyone whatsoever, lol).


Back to Futurama though, the problem with this theory is, there is no reason why Leela would need to hide her feelings from Fry.  Fry's made it very obvious that he wants Leela to be his girlfriend, but she just keeps refusing him (and that's why I'm more inclined to believe that Leela likes him simply as a close friend, but nothing more).        smile


EDIT:  Hehe.  The wedding thing that you mentioned reminds me of Fry and Leela's short, but funny, time-skip wedding from "Time Keeps on Slippin'".  LOL. (is that the name of the episode?  I have no clue XD)

Like most scenes in Futurama, this was hilarious.  Somehow or another Leela actually *agrees* to marry Fry, and they apparently get married.  But shortly afterwards, the divorce comes.  LOL.  XD

Hello everyone!  I'm a proud fangirl of these two characters!  ^_^

Philip J. Fry (from Futurama)

Ash Ketchum (from Pokemon)

any1else

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« Reply #688 on: 09-27-2007 22:15 »

 
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Originally posted by gaschief:
I do have this fear though that if the fantasy ( of Fry and Leela being openly in love) was seen out, some of the magic of the show might be lost.
Like in a marriage?  tongue
I get reminded of Scrubs. You have the main character get together with the girl he was after from the first episode after a while and then it doesn't happen to work out. I think it played out well. See, just because Fry and Leela might get together, it doesn't mean they'll always be that way. Although from our outsider perspective everything would be much simpler "you should have done that, not that! Okay, all you have to do to fix it is this! Come ooonn!" as if we're their annoying friends who mean well, but don't really understand the full context of the situation.  big grin

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
I hold us in contempt.
I hold you in contemp.

 
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Originally posted by km73:
I have said, though, that I would prefer it if their "ending" is left open, not because I have been "brainwashed" by anything, but simply because I think it should be left to the imagination. Much as they did in the first place.
Second.
I'd be happy if the new episodes didn't focus much on them at all, kept it in the background with little comments back and forth every now and then. We'd always pick up on them anyway, having no lives of our own and such.

 
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Originally posted by FryFangirlLisa:
First of all, let me say that I believe Leela doesn't seem to be attracted to Fry (romance wise). However, despite this, she still has a special place in her heart for the guy, because he is a very close friend.
I've been seeing it that way recently, catching random episodes on TV the past couple of weeks. Time Keeps On Slipping last night..really does get you thinking.

 
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Back to Futurama though, the problem with this theory is, there is no reason why Leela would need to hide her feelings from Fry.
Except all the things about having been hurt in the past, etc, etc. I think those things come up every few pages of this thread.  tongue
sarcastinator

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« Reply #689 on: 09-27-2007 22:24 »

It's not that Leela is "hiding" anything, it's more that she doesn't fully understand her own feelings.  She clearly loves Fry, quite possibly more than she's ever loved anyone, but that isn't the same as being in love with him.  It's equally obvious that she thinks of him only as a friend, and there are a number of good reasons why:

1) Fry is a hapless dork who no normal woman could ever be attracted to, ever.  Not to mention being too childish and unpredictable to commit to breakfast.

2) Leela is naturally defensive, what with the whole "crappy childhood" thing, and the horrible, horrible trauma of sleeping with Zapp.

3) See #1.

But then, several episodes have implied that she could fall for him given the chance.  They've been a good influence on each other, and it was inevitable that his goofy, impulsive personality would start to grow on her. 

I think what was shown in season four was just the very first hint that she might maybe possibly feel something more for him without even realizing it.  In particular, her romantic fantasy in 'The Sting' wasn't caused by being in love with him, but by her subconscious realization that she could love him that way, if only he could stick his foot in his mouth a little less often.

At least, that's my favorite way of over-analyzing it.
FryFangirlLisa

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« Reply #690 on: 09-27-2007 22:34 »

 
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Originally posted by any1else:
Except all the things about having been hurt in the past, etc, etc. I think those things come up every few pages of this thread.   tongue
Oh yeah, I forgot about that, lol.  XD

Actually, I didn't read the the whole thread.  I just read like, the last two pages or something, lol.  ^^;


Anyway, Leela's definitely had her share of past dates, which unfortunately never seem to end well for her.  They've turned out bad more often than they've been good.

Although, thankfully, there were at least 3 times where she thought she was going to be very happy with a certain guy (but as usual, the man turns out to be a complete jerk in the end). 


One time was when she fell in love with the shapeshifting-grasshopper guy who posed as someone from Leela's alien race (I forgot the guy's name). 

Another time was when she was with the mayor's aid, Chaz.  She thought she liked him (and apparently, she seemed to be VERY interested in his power), however, he wasn't right for her either seeing as how he couldn't even allow the orphan kids to ice skate with them.  This guy was the lowest of them all, in my opinion. 

And finally, the last guy Leela dated which seemed to be an excellent choice, was the doctor who performed surgery on her to give her one eye.  Like all her previous dates, that too started out great, turned out to be a disaster in the end.  This guy failed to appreciate Leela because he didn't like people the way they were originally and instead likes to force "changes" on them in order to make them acceptable.

Hello everyone!  I'm a proud fangirl of these two characters!  ^_^

Philip J. Fry (from Futurama)

Ash Ketchum (from Pokemon)

any1else

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« Reply #691 on: 09-27-2007 22:43 »

 
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Originally posted by FryFangirlLisa:
 And finally, the last guy Leela dated which seemed to be an excellent choice, was the doctor who performed surgery on her to give her one eye.  Like all her previous dates, that too started out great, turned out to be a disaster in the end.  This guy failed to appreciate Leela because he didn't like people the way they were originally and instead likes to force "changes" on them in order to make them acceptable.
I know, he was horrible. At least with Zapp (yeah, I actually noticed good things about Zapp of all people) he liked her as she was, and even though he was still an arrogant bastard, he did come up with that plan to try and save her from being eaten by the Omicronians in The Problem With Popplers. But anyway, that's what I like about Fry, when he's going on about how everyone has their own characteristics and that's what makes them great. If you like someone, you like someone. If they change, they aren't them anymore. What's to like about that?
Chou

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« Reply #692 on: 09-27-2007 22:45 »

@FryFangirlLisa: I don't think Leela's hiding her feelings, per se. I felt that she was just confused about them. So you can't blame Leela for being indirect; she doesn't know whether she likes Fry more than a friend or not.

 
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Originally posted by km73:
I enjoy their interaction as friends, I think it's clear that she cares about him more than she knows, but it's exactly because I haven't been "brainwashed" by anything that i don't see why the show would need to end in a wedding, the way so many things do. I just think it's cliche.
I agree that Fry and Leela getting married would be very cliche. I don't think it would be necessary for them to get married as a finale to the show, it'd be pretty contrived IMO. Futurama is better than that.
But that said, I'm very much up for their relationship being explored and developed further in the upcoming movies. I don't think Fry and Leela dating would hurt the show that much. Sure, it may not be as "fun" as seeing Fry pursue Leela (is fun the right word...?) but, if their love becomes mutual (arguably it is), the two dating opens up so many more possibilities. I think it wouldn't hurt to give it a chance.

FryFangirlLisa

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« Reply #693 on: 09-27-2007 23:23 »

 
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Originally posted by Chou:
@FryFangirlLisa: I don't think Leela's hiding her feelings, per se. I felt that she was just confused about them. So you can't blame Leela for being indirect; she doesn't know whether she likes Fry more than a friend or not.
Yeah.

That makes sense to me, that Leela would be confused about her feelings toward Fry....


I never thought about that before, but you're right.  ^^

Anyway, I always had a hard time trying to figure out Leela.  I couldn't understand what her feelings were at all.  XD 


But now, it makes sense if you consider the possibility that she may just be confused about whether she cares about Fry only as a friend, or whether she feels something more about him.  That sounds like a good, logical explanation to me.  ^_^

Hello everyone!  I'm a proud fangirl of these two characters!  ^_^

Philip J. Fry (from Futurama)

Ash Ketchum (from Pokemon)

km73

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« Reply #694 on: 09-27-2007 23:56 »

Wow. I haven't seen this thread so active since I've been here.

 
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Originally posted by sarcastinator: 1) Fry is a hapless dork who no normal woman could ever be attracted to, ever. Not to mention being too childish and unpredictable to commit to breakfast.

Well....in real life, maybe no. The hygiene aspects and the fact that it would be very difficult to have any kind of a real conversation with him would obviously detract from him if he were an actual person. However, as he is portrayed on the show he is incredibly sweet and has myriad qualities that many women probably would want. Fry is guileless. He does a lot for Leela (even without her knowing) and he can be extremely sensitive at times. And he makes her laugh. She does rather seem to need that.

 
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Originally posted by any1else:
I know, he was horrible. At least with Zapp (yeah, I actually noticed good things about Zapp of all people) he liked her as she was, and even though he was still an arrogant bastard, he did come up with that plan to try and save her from being eaten by the Omicronians in The Problem With Popplers. But anyway, that's what I like about Fry, when he's going on about how everyone has their own characteristics and that's what makes them great.

Yeah, Adlai was possibly the worst of all. That's because he seemed so innocuous, while all the time subtly trying to change people. I had mentioned a while back that Zapp's goofy plan with the ape almost worked. Not like that really redeems Zapp or anything, but hey, it was something.  But that part in The Cyber House Rules was outstanding; that's the kind of episode that gets better the second and third time you see it. I also like how they tied in the whole subplot with Bender and the orphans. Good stuff.
Sine Wave

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« Reply #695 on: 09-28-2007 00:18 »

And another has seen the light...

Now to convince her that TDHAIP wasn't ambiguous.
km73

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« Reply #696 on: 09-28-2007 00:25 »

Who're you talking about sweetums?  smile
FryFangirlLisa

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« Reply #697 on: 09-28-2007 00:44 »

Huh?

I'm confused....  ^^;
bend_her

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« Reply #698 on: 09-28-2007 01:51 »

Very astute observation, Coldangel. I can't believe that after you posted that, several people ended up proving it all over again, by portraying two people falling in love as the "end" somehow -- something old fashioned. Why?

Anyway, would it be possible at all that Leela's worried that being involved with Fry and being his commanding officer at the same time is not going to work? Is she worried that giving him orders at work is going to adversely affect their relationship?  And, as pointed out earlier, she doesn't want to let go of something that's already more than she's ever had before.
coldangel

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« Reply #699 on: 09-28-2007 04:34 »

Although she's never really mentioned the whole commander/subordinate issue as an excuse before, it is a logical one.

But I think that just makes it even sexier. Confident women in command positions, oooh yeah.
Sine Wave

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« Reply #700 on: 09-28-2007 13:54 »

 
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Originally posted by km73:
Who're you talking about sweetums?   smile

Oh, my bad. Didn't see you had posted while I was posting.

I think it took Leela until probably Love and Rocket to start to really get a hold on her feelings for Fry. Once she did, she was torn between pursuing it, and keeping their relationship as it was to avoid all the aforementioned possibilities of things going wrong. This could be an explanation for the seeming resets through Season 4. Leela wants to give in, and sometimes she almost does, but she'll then reel back to just friends when the 'moment of weakness' passes and she's free to think about all the risks having a relationship with Fry would entail.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #701 on: 09-28-2007 15:17 »
« Last Edit on: 09-28-2007 15:17 »

Where have I been in the past twenty-four hours?

This is both impressive and exciting. I have never seen so much discussion on the Shipper's thread since I joined. These are the hardcore fans I've been waiting to see. Now you can call the Shipper's thread revived. But my initial purpose here isn't fulfilled yet (I really didn't have a purpose that I wanted to complete, I just wanted to share my unreasonable theories with the community).

Let me get to the topic that we are talking about here. A commitment between Fry and Leela is obviously one of the hottest and most debated topics in the entire fanbase. I'm on the side that would want Fry and Leela to get together, but not until the very end. This means that that I feel that it would be best to keep Fry chasing after Leela until the very last episode, when the two would commit over something that the fans would be pleased with, like Leela saying "I love you" to Fry, an engagement, or something which I just realized that some fans wouldn't want, which is a wedding. I don't know if I stated this before, but I'd be totally o.k. with seeing them together and/or with children if the travel to the future (this would make an excellent plot for a movie), or something like what the writers did in "The Farnsworth Parabox" because these plotlines would be considered non-canon to their relationship (thought it wasn't o.k. for comic 32, with the line-crossing Fry/Leela/Bender son). I'd be the most interested if at the end of the last episode, they would include a narrated selection of clips or a scene which would sum up the future of the entire Planet Express crew, other lovable characters like Zapp and Morbo, and the Nibblonian prophecy.
gaschief

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« Reply #702 on: 09-28-2007 16:22 »

If Fry and Leela must get together before the Finale, I maintain that it must continue in the vain of scenarios removed from the humdrum routine of Futurama life ( well in as much as Futurama can be humdrum!). Again iam thinking along the lines of The sting..i.e. it's set in Leelas mind. or Parasites lost were reality is skewed by the influence of the parasites ( one of the intriguing things here is that you never know really how much it was down to the parasites, or if they have just allowed Fry to be himself, truly ). I just don't quite see how it could work within the routine context of Fry and Leela at work and being in a relationship, my fear of that just turning into a regular sitcom, rather than the super sci-fi multidimensional comedy that Futurama is.
If the Fry leela Shippy theme can continue to be confined to special classic episodes, in which either character displays supranormal characteristics, or as in the above examples the context is out of the ordinary then I believe it can continue to work and develop.

There have been a lot of examples cited of where Fry's character excels above the norm, I also love it when leelas often verging on cold defensiveness, softens and she radiates warm, traditionally feminine attributes!
Sorry Coldy but the Authoritarian dominatrix female doesn't really do it for me, essentially Leela appeals because you know there's a soft squidgy centre underneath the tough outer coating!
Xanfor

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« Reply #703 on: 09-28-2007 16:28 »

What in the name of the 160 meter band?...

I will post here. I will, soon. Otherwise, I will surely die.

I am currently working on a new shippy logo idea. But this thread is obviously thriving on discussion once more...

Which gives me the perfect title for it's next incarnation!...

You'll see.  wink


gaschief

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« Reply #704 on: 09-28-2007 17:03 »
« Last Edit on: 09-28-2007 17:03 »

Just when I was thinking, Where's Xanfor.....

There's something unworldly about you man!
...........................

A favourite moment where Leela yields ( from The Why of Fry ):

FRY: Hey Leela. I guess I got this for you.
[He hands her a flower.]
LEELA: Oh. Thank you. You know what Fry. I don't care if you're not the most important person in the universe.
It really makes me happy to see you right now.
FRY: Then I am the most important person in the universe.
[She kisses him.]
THE END
FRY (OVER CREDITS): Yes!
............................. ...........

Does anyone know if there is a list of the key shippy episodes?
Sine Wave

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« Reply #705 on: 09-28-2007 18:03 »

No, but I can make one:

Parasites Lost
Time Keeps on Slippin'
Love and Rocket
The Why of Fry
The Sting
The Farnsworth Parabox
The Devil's Hands are Idol Playthings
gaschief

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« Reply #706 on: 09-28-2007 18:09 »

What about SP3000 when leela decides to quit her job, because fry inspired her to 'be herself' ?
Sine Wave

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« Reply #707 on: 09-28-2007 18:59 »

Well, I went for the unequivocally non-platonic. You could also include SP3K, TMLH, MTS, ISTE, AFTR, TSHL, WITHW, TDTESS, etc.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #708 on: 09-28-2007 19:12 »
« Last Edit on: 09-28-2007 19:12 »

 
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Originally posted by gaschief:
[...] I just don't quite see how it could work within the routine context of Fry and Leela at work and being in a relationship [...]

People need to ask this question more. Really. Let's get passed the question of would they get together in the course of the show and start asking what would happen if they got together in the course of the show. I don't want to get into the relationship between each other, rather than the impact on other relationships with other character, namely Bender.

Upon hearing this, you may be thinking why. Up until the series got canceled, Bender considered both Fry and Leela to be his best friends and does seem to show full support for both of them. However, that was when Fry would give his best efforts to win over Leela and Leela would reject him without thought. Therefore, Fry and Leela's relationship with each other didn't touch either of their friendships with Bender. If Fry and Leela got together, they're probably going to want some time together on missions, without Bender. If they aren't on duty, then Leela's probably going to be visiting Fry's apartment often, but is really only visiting for Fry. Therefore, if Fry and Leela were together, this would affect both Bender's work and social life. The changes might not really seem to matter, but Bender will be hurt.

To better understand where I'm going to be going, you might want to watch "A Pharaoh to Remember" from the time that Fry, Leela, and Bender are trapped in Bender's tomb to the end of the episode. This scene is (in my opinion) the greatest scene which shows Fry and Leela's relationship to Bender. Notice how I didn't say friendship. This is going to sound absurd, but it strangely makes sense. In that scene, Fry and Leela were treating Bender as if he was their child. When they were in the tomb, they played this childish mind game with Bender to get his permission to blow up his statue. What's even more amazing is that Bender was falling for them, just like a little kid. Later, as they fled from the planet, Fry and Leela sounded a lot like parents comforting their kid. And Bender then responded back like a little kid with his sobbing "Do you really think they'll remember me?". It goes to show that Bender's relationship to Fry and Leela is more than "just friends", but almost like they are an informal family of some sort.

Now, let me get back to why Bender's relationship between Fry and Leela would be negatively affected. When Fry and Leela get together, Fry and Leela are probably going to be paying less attention on Bender and more attention on their relationship on missions. When they have the job off, Fry's probably going to be gone a bit more often from the apartment, leaving Bender usually home by himself. Since Bender's relationship to Fry and Leela is comparable to a child's relationship to his or her parents, when they start dating, it would be as if the parents of the child put more focus on their relationship than their child. Bender craves attention, and is willing to commit crimes for it (which might explain why Bender is so bad). Fry and Leela provide him with attention. If that attention from Fry and Leela is pulled away from him, he's going to be upset with the less amount of attention, and probably angered with the loss just for their relationship. I don't know the amount at the start would be significant, but in later stages of their relationship like marriage and that dreadful baby carriage will get him even more upset/angered/jealous than he was in "Jurassic Bark". When it comes to the point of marriage and babies, Fry and Leela will love each other too much to give it up just because Bender "says so".
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« Reply #709 on: 09-28-2007 19:18 »
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Ignore this, please.

Can an admin delete this post? It's the same situation as on the page before when I accidentally pressed the quote button instead of the edit button. I'm very sorry for this, and I didn't mean to double post.
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« Reply #710 on: 09-28-2007 19:27 »

I haven't seen a pharaoh to remember unfortunately, it is one of a few episodes on Production Se3 that I haven't seen...need to purchase the DVD set, it's the only one I haven't got.
You have obviously put a lot of thought into the above post. I will need to give these things more thought as the particular issue of how Bender fits into this I haven't really considered to any great extent.

The idea of Bender being insanely jealous could in theory at least provide scope for some very funny scenarios, that being said, personally I really didn't like the way Bender behaved in 'Jurassic Bark' up until he redeemed himself, I just did not find him funny like that, he was just too nasty.
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« Reply #711 on: 09-28-2007 19:55 »
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What I consider to be the top 5 shippy episodes.

1)TDHAIPT (The best shippy episode)
2)The Sting
3)Parasites Lost
4)TKOS
5)The Why of Fry

Not to be confused with my list of most emotional episodes.
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« Reply #712 on: 09-28-2007 22:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Sine Wave:

I think it took Leela until probably Love and Rocket to start to really get a hold on her feelings for Fry. Once she did, she was torn between pursuing it, and keeping their relationship as it was to avoid all the aforementioned possibilities of things going wrong. This could be an explanation for the seeming resets through Season 4. Leela wants to give in, and sometimes she almost does, but she'll then reel back to just friends when the 'moment of weakness' passes and she's free to think about all the risks having a relationship with Fry would entail.

Very astute.
Speaking of shippy episodes, I sometimes wonder if Leela's unusual grouchiness throughout most of that episode (even for her, she was pretty grumpy--ie snapping at Fry that she'll look at the candy hearts after they're not dead) was due to that - the fact that maybe she was starting to realize her feelings a little bit more. Another Valentine's Day, and stuck at that dreadful Romanticorp place...with the Professor saying that she'll have to do some acting if they want to get the account. It all probably really brought it home to her how lonely she was.

 
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The idea of Bender being insanely jealous could in theory at least provide scope for some very funny scenarios, that being said, personally I really didn't like the way Bender behaved in 'Jurassic Bark' up until he redeemed himself, I just did not find him funny like that, he was just too nasty.

You haven't seen A Pharaoh to Remember, ever? Well, if you thought he was obnoxious in JB, you probably wouldn't like him in APTR. Beyond simply acting like their child, he acts pretty much like a total jackass. Yes, jealous, petty and willing to do anything to be remembered. If that is any inkling of how he might act if indeed Fry and Leela were to have a relationship, then they are in trouble!
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« Reply #713 on: 09-29-2007 00:02 »

Ok. Now that I'm back from my Halo induced absence, it's nice to see that this thread has come back to life.

I agree with km37 about Bender though. He'd either kidnap Fry and/or try and have Leela killed. Seeing as how he seems to go nuts when Fry ignores him.
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« Reply #714 on: 09-29-2007 04:37 »
« Last Edit on: 09-29-2007 04:37 »

Heh....  I guess my recent posts here probably contributed to the revival of this thread. 

Yay!!  XD


And yes, I completely agree with you, km73.

You see, something that people don't think about often (when speculating about Fry and Leela's possible love-life they may have at some point) is the fact that Fry is Bender's best friend.  In fact, this Bender quote from "I, Roomate" comes to mind. 

Bender: "Fry, of all the friends I've had, you're the first." 


And of course, there's the episode where Bender became a Were-Car.  On the second attempt, he went after Fry and actually tried to kill him.  That's pretty much conclusive evidence that Bender considers Fry his best friend.  And also, I'd say that this episode confirms the fact that Bender and Fry are best friends.

So yes, obviously, if Fry and Leela were to start dating, this would have a negative effect on BOTH Bender and his friendship with Fry.

That's another reason why I, personally, think it's very unlikely for Fry and Leela to actually start dating as boyfriend and girlfriend (well, not yet anyway).  And when you combine the problem Bender would have, with the possible issues Fry and Leela's romance may cause them at work, this would make it quite difficult for Fry and Leela to start a romantic relationship, let alone something more serious (engagement, etc).

Hello everyone!  I'm a proud fangirl of these two characters!  ^_^

Philip J. Fry (from Futurama)

Ash Ketchum (from Pokemon)

any1else

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« Reply #715 on: 09-29-2007 04:55 »

But Bender is a robot, he does do things on his own. Of course he likes Fry to tag along, but if he can develop the capacity to enjoy a human's company, then surely he has the capacity to understand that sometimes he can't always be centre of attention. He doesn't seem to have a problem getting other robots to join him on robberies and such (eg. Xmas Story).
And Fry wouldn't completely abandon the fellow. Everyone needs their 'alone' time, and their 'friends' time. Surely.. Also considering Leela knows Bender and Fry have a close friendship, I can't see her 'stealing' Fry from him.
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« Reply #716 on: 09-29-2007 05:17 »
« Last Edit on: 09-29-2007 05:17 by coldangel_1 »

Yeah, what she said.
The three of them are close friends, forming a tight little trinity, and Fry's already smitten with Leela and constantly lusts after her. I don't think it'd be that big of a change. On occassion Bender has even been sympathetic about it (end of TKoS/helping Fry to win her heart in TDHaIP). In Parasites Lost, he even seemed mildly delighted by the prospect of them getting together (funny British accent thing).

Okay, so maybe he'd feel a bit left out or jealous for a little while if Fry was seeing lots of Leela or if he moved in with her, but it'd be sorted out within a single episode. He'd have an emotional revelation, etc etc, as per with Fry's damn lovable dog and then he'd give his blessing.

But seriously though, in the Fry/Leela/Bender triumverate, no one of them can really 'steal' the time or attention of another as they're all in each other's company all the time anyway.
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« Reply #717 on: 09-29-2007 05:33 »
« Last Edit on: 09-29-2007 05:33 »

*nods*

I agree with you, coldangel_1.  And excellent post, by the way.  ^_^ 

*applauds*


I like seeing Fry, Leela, and Bender, together.  The 3 of them make an interesting dynamic, and it's great to see them cooperate with each other to complete missions.  They're a real team, and that will never leave the show completely (even in the possibility of Fry and Leela dating, or whatever you wanna call it).


   
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But Bender is a robot, he does do things on his own. Of course he likes Fry to tag along, but if he can develop the capacity to enjoy a human's company, then surely he has the capacity to understand that sometimes he can't always be centre of attention. He doesn't seem to have a problem getting other robots to join him on robberies and such (eg. Xmas Story).
And Fry wouldn't completely abandon the fellow. Everyone needs their 'alone' time, and their 'friends' time. Surely.. Also considering Leela knows Bender and Fry have a close friendship, I can't see her 'stealing' Fry from him.
Quoted for truth.  ^^

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« Reply #718 on: 09-29-2007 17:33 »

 
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The three of them are close friends, forming a tight little trinity, and Fry's already smitten with Leela and constantly lusts after her. I don't think it'd be that big of a change. On occassion Bender has even been sympathetic about it (end of TKoS/helping Fry to win her heart in TDHaIP). In Parasites Lost, he even seemed mildly delighted by the prospect of them getting together (funny British accent thing).

"Parasites Lost" is a very big milestone episode towards the Fry and Leela relationship. If it wasn't for the parasites, Fry wouldn't have came to realize that he wanted to be more than friends with Leela. Not only was he introduced to the idea, the rest of the crew was too. The thought of the two being in a relationship never occurred to the rest of the crew until it was obvious that there was a relationship between the to. That was the first time that Bender recognized the relationship, too. Thinking of the concept would excite him. Your two best friends who you considered dull to your standards form a love life and you're in the middle. It's basically juicy gossip, but because it is so unusual and unexpected, it would have probably been one of the many highlights in Bender's life.

In "Time Keeps on Slipping", I don't think Bender intended to comfort Fry from his divorce (though it sure would have been nice to him if he did). He quoted, "Maybe she'd come back to you if your best friend Bender were a Globetrotter." as Bubblegum Tate sat in the chair next to where he was standing. It's pretty obvious his efforts were going into persuading Bubblegum into making him into a Globetrotter (which he failed hopelessly at).
 
Last, in "The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings", Bender would like to help his best friend win the battle for Leela's heart, but he also had interest in visiting hell again. I don't know why he would want to return to the place where he underwent the consequences of his actions, though I think the thrill of making an underground deal was part of why he went, too.

My point is that is it in Bender's character to not think about the consequences that lie ahead. When he commits a crime, his eyes are on the prize, not the punishment. Bender may be cheering now, but he doesn't realize how much change will come with it. And it's already a guarantee that there will be changes in his lifestyle if the two get together. If my theory on the new movies is correct, then hopefully this trait will be further explorer in the arc.

 
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Okay, so maybe he'd feel a bit left out or jealous for a little while if Fry was seeing lots of Leela or if he moved in with her, but it'd be sorted out within a single episode. He'd have an emotional revelation, etc etc, as per with Fry's damn lovable dog and then he'd give his blessing.

Most of the stuff I'm talking about on this topic I don't expect to happen in the course of the show. It should already be known to the common visitors of this thread that I do not support the two getting together canonically before the very end. Mostly everything on this topic is what I would expect to happen if the case was if they got together during the course of the series and before the end.

Whether or not Bender's jealously over their relationship would be resolve in only one episode is questionable. Just because the relationship would probably continue to be strong as the two progress from love to engagement then to marriage and children doesn't mean that one episode would solve this issue once and for all. This issue may not even be resolvable for Bender's case, because you can't exactly "undo" a marriage or baby that easily and Bender doesn't seem to be one willing to adapt. However, Bender might go against his wishes and adapt to the changes that are to come, and might actually learn to like the changes (babies could do this to anybody). If this was ever explored in the series, it would have to be in an episode which takes a look into the future. I hope that this would play a part in one of the four movies, if not in later movies that could be made if the series was renewed.
Crash_7

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« Reply #719 on: 09-29-2007 18:21 »

No, in Parasites Lost, the worms gave him the ability to articulate his feelings to Leela.  He already had those feelings and was already aware of them. 
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