We Ship for Free Anywhere In the Galaxy! Shipper Thread V

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@ Frida: Well, it was the fact that the Shippy Thread was something nobody had done until Xanfor came along caused those 50 posts every day, because there was a lot of stuff to converse about and debate. I'm quite sure the movie will once again rekindle this thread's semi-dying fire.

Edit: Oh my, yes. TOTPD. 

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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
 There's more that meets the eye. I've had this in my mind for a while, and the thought, at first, seems absolutely ridiculous. It's long, and I don't have the time to write it all out on a weeknight.

I'd be very bored to hear it.
No wait, the other thing - interested.

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Yeah once the movies come out and we have all manner of new shippy stuff to talk about things will get very interesting very quickly.

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Mind-numbingly interested?

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And is that a tux?
Also, a hopeful look in Fry's eyes, no?

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Very hopeful. Too hopeful.

The trouble is that we have evidence stating Leela finds true love. If it was Fry, she would be realizing it (or something else to that relative effect). Oh semantics.

Also, I'm pretty sure we've already beaten this to death, undeath, and then back to death again.

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I just thought of something cruel:

We know that the movie picks up two years after the series finale left off.  We also know the beginning of the movie will address Fry and Leela's relationship.

What if Fry's wearing the tux because Leela is marrying him?  What if their relationship blossomed over the two years, and the movie opens up with their wedding, and something disasterous happens during or after it that causes the two (read: Leela) to call it off, thus retaining the romantic tension between the two (now re)separated characters?  What if Fry's so thrilled to be back in the 20th/21st century, away from Leela (and other things) because he honestly believes there's nothing left in the 31st century after such a diasterous result?  What if he goes there purposefully because of it?

There are of course things from the trailer that contradict this idea (why are Leela's parents not actually in the church if she's marrying Fry, who would probably rather they not be watching from below?), but I can just see the writers giving us exactly what we want and then pulling the rug out beneath our feet.  And then they have three more movies to rebuild the relationship. :P

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I wonder why Mona Lisa's face is blanked out...?


 

Originally posted by Officer 1BDI:
 (why are Leela's parents not actually in the church if she's marrying Fry, who would probably rather they not be watching from below?),

They aren't allowed out of the sewers. Just like how poor people aren't allowed in University. That bit of future discrimination might be something that will be addressed in new episodes and/or fanfics by sexy Australian dudes - Leela could become the Martin Luther King of Mutants, and lead some kind of mutant-rights movement.

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Originally posted by Officer 1BDI:
I just thought of something cruel:

We know that the movie picks up two years after the series finale left off.  We also know the beginning of the movie will address Fry and Leela's relationship.

What if Fry's wearing the tux because Leela is marrying him?  What if their relationship blossomed over the two years, and the movie opens up with their wedding, and something disasterous happens during or after it that causes the two (read: Leela) to call it off, thus retaining the romantic tension between the two (now re)separated characters?  What if Fry's so thrilled to be back in the 20th/21st century, away from Leela (and other things) because he honestly believes there's nothing left in the 31st century after such a diasterous result?  What if he goes there purposefully because of it?

There are of course things from the trailer that contradict this idea (why are Leela's parents not actually in the church if she's marrying Fry, who would probably rather they not be watching from below?), but I can just see the writers giving us exactly what we want and then pulling the rug out beneath our feet.  And then they have three more movies to rebuild the relationship. :P

That would actually be rather amenable to me.

The only reason I can think of for the Mona Lisa being defaced is when they shot it in Fishful of Dollars, but getting the flawed version would be pretty pointless when you have time travel. Maybe that scene's before the aliens know about Fry's butt?

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Originally posted by Officer 1BDI:There are of course things from the trailer that contradict this idea (why are Leela's parents not actually in the church if she's marrying Fry, who would probably rather they not be watching from below?)

Where is this trailer? Is it a longer version of this?
 http://www.youtube.com/jp. swf?video_id=hEtZHOj4vHo&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/hEtZHOj4vHo/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskKnGVwDZX7bLMbhfyE0M28j

Well, even if it is a bait-and-switch event like F&L's first marriage, I'll take it and just keep hoping for more.

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Where is this trailer? Is it a longer version of this?

It is the longer version of that, but the only place I've seen it is at Comic-Con. 

There's a transcript of it here, though.

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Thanks. I guess your brain doesn't have a USB port so you can upload the rest of the clip, does it? Seriously, thanks for your research and transcription work. Reporting on forums about Futurama is an under-appreciated niche job.

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Originally posted by coldangel_1:

I wonder why Mona Lisa's face is blanked out...?

It's not. That's the Mona Amoeba.

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Originally posted by Officer 1BDI:
 but I can just see the writers giving us exactly what we want and then pulling the rug out beneath our feet. And then they have three more movies to rebuild the relationship. :P

I can see that happening so easily.  Either that, or messing around with time travel "resets" the romance clock.  Either way, I think they'll have to knock back the relationship a couple of notches from TDHIP for the next few movies.

I've been thinking as well that the writers have some enormous constraints in this movie cycle.  First they have to write so they can rechop as four episodes per movie.  According to a Rich Moore(?) interview, they're going to do this by having each movie trace four subplots for each character.  And then you have to address the Fry/Leela relationship.  And then you have to write the fourth movie with an ambiguous ending. 

So what does this mean?  First, I'm mentally preparing myself for the plots to be a little clunky/choppy, but I'll forgive it because of the constraints the writers have given themselves.  Second, it means that the Fry/Leela relationship will have to come full circle again over the entire four movie sequence, so that by the end of the last movie we're back to where exactly where we ended with TDHIP, maybe a little further.  So yes expect some serious backsliding with the relationship at some point, maybe even at the very beginning of the first movie as Officer said.  Finally, I agree there will be a continuous plot thread(s) moving through all the movies, since they've been visualized as one unit, and that will be really cool.  I don't know if it will be as detailed as keeping villians between movies, as Frida Waterfall suspects, but it seems reasonable that both Fry's "destiny" and the Fry/Leela relationship will be  long-term plot threads connecting the movies, since these are really the only two long-term arcs that exist now (maybe Mom/Farnsworth's past?).  Thus I bet the shippy quota (ship per minute) will be a higher fraction than the original series.

I also wonder if perhaps they have voice recorded two alternate endings to "The Wild Green Yonder," and will choose when  a decision whether to renew is reached.  Recording voice actors reading two different endings would be relatively inexpensive, and animation for the final movie might not take place until after Comedy Central and Fox make a decision on additional seasons, which I quess would take place after one financial quarter (Feb/Mar).

Anyway, I think despite potential choppiness Futurama is going to fly really well with longer plotlines and more continuity, and the Fry/Leela relationship arc is going to benefit in particular.  i.e., fewer "resets" and "back to normals" that have dissapointed some about the "Sting" and "Why of Fry" endings.

pantpantpant... OK, I tried to be long-winded, I'll now switch back to terse.

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Originally posted by JustNibblin':
I've been thinking as well that the writers have some enormous constraints in this movie cycle.... then you have to write the fourth movie with an ambiguous ending...

Huh?
I no longer remember where I heard it, but the last I recall, "The Wild Green Yonder," was supposed to 'resolve' the Fry & Leela plotline.
Do you know something new?

Originally posted by JustNibblin':
I also wonder if perhaps they have voice recorded two alternate endings to "The Wild Green Yonder," and will choose when  a decision whether to renew is reached.  Recording voice actors reading two different endings would be relatively inexpensive, and animation for the final movie might not take place until after Comedy Central and Fox make a decision on additional seasons...

Not beyond the realm of possibility.
Whether this happens or not, I suspicion, depends on how much of a profit F*x anticipates in producing additional incarnations of the show...
Oh, I'm sorry. Is my cynicism showing?

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I don't know if it will be as detailed as keeping villians between movies, as Frida Waterfall suspects, but it seems reasonable that both Fry's "destiny" and the Fry/Leela relationship will be long-term plot threads connecting the movies, since these are really the only two long-term arcs that exist now (maybe Mom/Farnsworth's past?).

The writers can always come up with entirely new story arcs, and why shouldn't they, when they have a movie-format to work with? Still, I'm hoping the ship-coefficient will be higher than the previous ones, possibly because the writers have been reading forums like this one.

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Originally posted by Officer 1BDI:
We know that the movie picks up two years after the series finale left off.  We also know the beginning of the movie will address Fry and Leela's relationship.

What if Fry's wearing the tux because Leela is marrying him?  What if their relationship blossomed over the two years, and the movie opens up with their wedding, and something disasterous happens during or after it that causes the two (read: Leela) to call it off, thus retaining the romantic tension between the two (now re)separated characters?  What if Fry's so thrilled to be back in the 20th/21st century, away from Leela (and other things) because he honestly believes there's nothing left in the 31st century after such a diasterous result?  What if he goes there purposefully because of it?

What about Nudar? They could, but I would have doubts that they actually would have him be there right in the beginning, even from time travel.

I've been thinking about Leela's parents and their involvement in the wedding, too. In Futurama Comic 31 ("As the Wormhole Turns" ), Bender does acknowledge the fact that Leela mutant posing as an alien to live legally on the surface. This would have to be a subject visited in the future (if there is more to come after the movies). I'm sure if two mutants with one-day mutant passes attends a wedding for "some alien woman" who has one eye like them and even goes as far as escorting her to her groom, there's going to be some uproar.

There is a way that the writers can avoid this. Morris and Munda can still pose as Leela's parents, but instead of being mutants, they are considered aliens like Leela. All they really have to do is claim that Morris's jaws are locked together so then he won't reveal his vertical mouth, hide Munda's tails, and have Munda pull out those old human arms she had back in "I Second that Emotion", then they could get away with it.

Leela and a pregnancy would also be a problem. I've had this theory, but it doesn't sound very logical (again, because I know absolutely nothing about biology or reproductive science). Leela is classified as a mutant who was of human descent, but for reasons we don't know, her ancestors migrated to the sewers and became mutants (as assumed with Fry's neighbor). I think that her eggs will accept human mutant sperm for some reason. As a mutant, she already has powerful immunities that humans lack, but could the immunities be fighting off all trespassing spermatozoa? This could explain why Leela has never gotten "knocked up" by Zapp or any former lovers. On the topic of "Futurama Fertility", with Fry's exposure to the F-Ray and later the reconstruction of his reproductive organs, his sperm may (slim chance) have now become acceptable to Leela's mutant egg.

Going on about Leela getting pregnant, if that whole paragraph above isn't true, then if Leela ever got pregnant to a human, then gawd help her. And if she has a husband, you have got to feel even worse for him (poor Fry). He'd be dealing with Leela at her most emotional state- with all the extra hormones released into her body. Now, getting to the main point that I've been waiting to make, if a human mutant was to have what I refer to as a "hutant" offspring, I could see the government and media making the unthinkable-to-even-attempt-to-break law a big fuss. Drastic images pop up in my head of even the father (obviously for me, Fry) not even permitted to see his newborn.

On the topic of cruel images, I've recently got the fear that Leela's marriage in "Bender's Big Score" might turn out to be legit, and she may continue to be married for the rest of the series. If my prediction that "Into the Wild Green Yonder" will take place in the future, we might see Leela's children not to Fry and Fry with only the now what's reduced to the barely warm ember for Leela that burns within him. I also had another alternative plot in the future that Fry and Leela do get together and have their freak babies, but when their family is split apart due to fate, their freak babies (now older) admit that they don't want to live the life they have now, but they then realize that they'll never be born or their parents never get together in the other alternative universe.

Dear gawd, I've been hallucinating too much while I was high on Futurama...

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Well, Leela is the least mutated mutant ever, and I'm supposing it means she's totally human except for her eye, making baby-making not a problem. It's also the future, so I imagine contraception has taken leaps and bounds.

As for having a baby, I don't think anyone would really bother with checking Leela and offspring to be a mutant. She's not physically repulsive, so they'd just take her word for being alien if they even asked any questions at all.

This applies for the wedding too, that if no one that would rat Leela out sees, it's not a problem, and I don't imagine anyone like that would be invited to her wedding (unless she's marrying someone other than Fry that doesn't know she's a mutant).

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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
 What about Nudar? They could, but I would have doubts that they actually would have him be there right in the beginning, even from time travel.

I've been thinking about Leela's parents and their involvement in the wedding, too. In Futurama Comic 31 ("As the Wormhole Turns" ), Bender does acknowledge the fact that Leela mutant posing as an alien to live legally on the surface. This would have to be a subject visited in the future (if there is more to come after the movies). I'm sure if two mutants with one-day mutant passes attends a wedding for "some alien woman" who has one eye like them and even goes as far as escorting her to her groom, there's going to be some uproar.

There is a way that the writers can avoid this. Morris and Munda can still pose as Leela's parents, but instead of being mutants, they are considered aliens like Leela. All they really have to do is claim that Morris's jaws are locked together so then he won't reveal his vertical mouth, hide Munda's tails, and have Munda pull out those old human arms she had back in "I Second that Emotion", then they could get away with it.

Leela and a pregnancy would also be a problem. I've had this theory, but it doesn't sound very logical (again, because I know absolutely nothing about biology or reproductive science). Leela is classified as a mutant who was of human descent, but for reasons we don't know, her ancestors migrated to the sewers and became mutants (as assumed with Fry's neighbor). I think that her eggs will accept human mutant sperm for some reason. As a mutant, she already has powerful immunities that humans lack, but could the immunities be fighting off all trespassing spermatozoa? This could explain why Leela has never gotten "knocked up" by Zapp or any former lovers. On the topic of "Futurama Fertility", with Fry's exposure to the F-Ray and later the reconstruction of his reproductive organs, his sperm may (slim chance) have now become acceptable to Leela's mutant egg.

Going on about Leela getting pregnant, if that whole paragraph above isn't true, then if Leela ever got pregnant to a human, then gawd help her. And if she has a husband, you have got to feel even worse for him (poor Fry). He'd be dealing with Leela at her most emotional state- with all the extra hormones released into her body. Now, getting to the main point that I've been waiting to make, if a human mutant was to have what I refer to as a "hutant" offspring, I could see the government and media making the unthinkable-to-even-attempt-to-break law a big fuss. Drastic images pop up in my head of even the father (obviously for me, Fry) not even permitted to see his newborn.

On the topic of cruel images, I've recently got the fear that Leela's marriage in "Bender's Big Score" might turn out to be legit, and she may continue to be married for the rest of the series. If my prediction that "Into the Wild Green Yonder" will take place in the future, we might see Leela's children not to Fry and Fry with only the now what's reduced to the barely warm ember for Leela that burns within him. I also had another alternative plot in the future that Fry and Leela do get together and have their freak babies, but when their family is split apart due to fate, their freak babies (now older) admit that they don't want to live the life they have now, but they then realize that they'll never be born or their parents never get together in the other alternative universe.

Dear gawd, I've been hallucinating too much while I was high on Futurama...

You are incredibly depressing! You shouldn't even speak such heresy!

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Fortunately the same team that gave us "Devil's Hands" is making the final episode of this run, so I'm sure we'll have an ending filled with hope if not fulfilled dreams for Fry and Leela.

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Originally posted by SpaceCase:
I no longer remember where I heard it, but the last I recall, "The Wild Green Yonder," was supposed to 'resolve' the Fry & Leela plotline.
Do you know something new

You know, I keep hearing that rumor, but have seen no evidence to support it, other than a DVD commentary in the Why of Fry, when Matt and David basically say that the very last episode of Futurama would get Fry/Leela together.

Problem is, right now no one knows whether WGY is the final episode, so as David X said during the last table read (ref: Laureen Tom interview), "Welcome to the last ever Futuram a episode, until the next time!"

Thus IMHO they have to write an ending that could work as a final episode, but also as a lead-in to a new season, and Ken Keeler, author of TDHIP, is writing it, so it seems reasonable that while there will be no actual closure of the Fry/Leela relationship, there will be some resolution similar to TDHIP, in case there are no further movies/shows made.  Tough assignment, and I wonder if Ken ever imagined he'd be in this situation twice!

I believe there were some hints at the ComicCon and comic-Con comic book that the writers/producers are aware that some fraction of the fandom are shippers, and they are going to have a lot of fun teasing us until the very last frame.

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Originally posted by JustNibblin':
You know, I keep hearing that rumor, but have seen no evidence to support it, other than a DVD commentary in the Why of Fry, when Matt and David basically say that the very last episode of Futurama would get Fry/Leela together.

I seem to recall reading something about the resolution of the Fry/Leela plotline (or ar least the intention to resolve it) since the announcement of the movie names.

Originally posted by JustNibblin':
Problem is, right now no one knows whether WGY is the final episode...

A valid point. If the new material is profitable, I doubt F*x will pull the plug on a moneymaking franchise.

Originally posted by JustNibblin':
Thus IMHO they have to write an ending that could work as a final episode, but also as a lead-in to a new season

It seems ro me that profit  (or lack of same) will dictate that.

Originally posted by JustNibblin':
... Ken Keeler, author of TDHIP, is writing it, so it seems reasonable that while there will be no actual closure of the Fry/Leela relationship, there will be some resolution similar to TDHIP...

Possibly, but they can only do that so many times before the fans tire of it, it becomes cliche, or something.

Originally posted by JustNibblin':
... they are going to have a lot of fun teasing us until the very last frame.

Of this, I have no doubt!   

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No offence but Leela doesn't seem like the girl most people would like to date.

She's bossy, domineering and likes hurting people a bit too much.

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Those are all qualities I look for in a woman...

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You make those qualities sound like a bad thing Deca...

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Hasn't all the voice work been done for all the movies already, though? Unless they recorded alternate endings like someone said above it would have to be ambiguous, as they didn't know the fate of the show when they did it. That or they could give us what we want in WBY and then smash it to pieces if they get new episodes after it.

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Originally posted by Decapodian:She's bossy, domineering and likes hurting people a bit too much.

Two thirds of those are qualities I find attactive. Plus you know the results of the Leela/Amy head-to-head poll: 60/40 for Leela.

Regarding the last episode resolution of Fry & Leela, I'm sure based on DVD commentaries and various producer interviews their intention is to resolve it in the last episode and since they don't truly know yet when that will be they are making two endings and will wait until the last minute to decide on which alternate ending to include in the fourth movie.

That brings up the question, would you like to see Fry and Leela get together or would you rather have more episodes? If they would only listen to me we could have both.  That would be my preference!

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Originally posted by jle1993:
You make those qualities sound like a bad thing Deca...

Back in on topic ! BAMMM!

I have to go with Decca here, these arent endearing qualities in a partner...strangely though Leela is still very alouring

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Originally posted by Decapodian:
She's bossy,

No she isn't. I've already stated this before. She's defensive, sensitive, and its her job as captain to be strict. Her nagging commands do get her two slackers off their butts, doesn't it?

 

Originally posted by Decapodian:
domineering

Most woman are domineering. Like her strict demands as captain, she has to be that way to get the job done.

 

Originally posted by Decapodian:
and likes hurting people a bit too much.

A little violence never hurt anyone, no?

I think her interest for violence was developed during her time at the orphanarium and at her martial art's class. Both places, she was picked on by her peers and even by adult figures for being "different".

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Originally posted by HipNoJoe:
That brings up the question, would you like to see Fry and Leela get together or would you rather have more episodes? If they would only listen to me we could have both.  That would be my preference!

Thank you! That is exactly my line of thought. I think it would be interesting to have episodes with Fry and Leela together, it opens a whole new can of worms. Interesting, hilarious, sexy worms!

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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
 A little violence never hurt anyone, no?

I think her interest for violence was developed during her time at the orphanarium and at her martial art's class. Both places, she was picked on by her peers and even by adult figures for being "different".

But in 'Anthology of Interest I' it's revealed that if she was just a bit more impulsive she'd kill almost everyone. I don't want to date a girl who could possibly murder me if she felt like it.


Hot body, though. She'd be good for one night stands or something but I wouldn't want to start a deep meaningful relationship.

*munches on watermelon of anti-shippiness*


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I find myself very aroused by the idea of a woman who might kill me at any time...

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Originally posted by HipNoJoe:That brings up the question, would you like to see Fry and Leela get together or would you rather have more episodes?

No matter what, I definitely want more episodes.

 

Originally posted by Sine Wave:
...(unless she's marrying someone other than Fry that doesn't know she's a mutant).

Yes, that occurred to me...what if the person Leela marries doesn't know she's a mutant? And then subsequently has a big problem with it when he finds out. This construct could possibly account for/lead to the dissolution of the marriage, perhaps paving the way for some kind of reunion or reconciliation w/ Fry.

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Originally posted by coldangel_1:

I find myself very aroused by the idea of a woman who might kill me at any time...

I hope you find one. 

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I think the lines between fantasy and reality are getting very blury in here!

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Originally posted by gaschief:
I think the lines between fantasy and reality are getting very blury in here!

The world wears thin. Reality doesn't have to be real. If conditions are right, it just has to be what people believe...
Read Moving Pictures by Terry Pratchett.

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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
I find myself very aroused by the idea of a woman who might kill me at any time...

I don't know about the possibility of being killed at any time but I definatly like a woman who can kick ass.

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Now this picture depicting "mission 3" from comic-con really seem to take things out on a limb. Maybe it merely represents a dream sequence like the AOI episodes, but it does show Fry and Leela side by side, apparently still enjoying each other's company. Isn't that what most happy couples enjoy, hunting robot knights while in the guise of mythological/literary creatures?

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Fry doesn't seem happy in that picture. He looks angry.

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I would be too if I had a comb-over looking haircut.