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SonicPanther

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« Reply #520 on: 08-24-2007 18:42 »
« Last Edit on: 08-24-2007 18:42 »

I just had a discussion about their freak babies the other day with a friend.   big grin

And now I'll try not to spoil this intelligent conversation with my antics.

TOTPD!
HipNoJoe
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« Reply #521 on: 08-24-2007 19:18 »
« Last Edit on: 08-24-2007 19:18 »

 
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Originally posted by bend_her:
 Engineers get girls?
[Zoidberg]"What! When did this happen? You're kidding right? THAT'S NOT FUNNY!"[/Zoidberg]
Ha, that's good! Maybe it's relative to mathematicians. Actually, after you graduate and land the high paying job the girls get you. That's what I was promised anyway. Somebody owes me big time!

 
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
 Their relationship isn't what attracts the audience for the "funny" part of the show. It's the dimensions to it that hook us "sensitives" to the show...I'm sure there are other fans of their relationship who are like that too.
Bingo.
Xanfor

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« Reply #522 on: 08-24-2007 19:29 »

What is this "funny part of the show" you speak of?

SonicPanther

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« Reply #523 on: 08-24-2007 22:06 »

Sometimes on Futurama there are some jokes, I think that's what that means.
Decapodian

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« Reply #524 on: 08-24-2007 23:50 »

Beleive it or not, many viewers watch Futurama only for it's comedic value, not it's shippy value.

Shocking isn't it?
WAVer

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« Reply #525 on: 08-25-2007 07:38 »
« Last Edit on: 08-25-2007 07:38 »

Everyone is different with what they may get out of futurama, but I'm not completely sold on "If Fry and Leela finally got together, their relationship wouldn't be so interesting" idea. I can honestly see many angles and ideas and so forth that can be done if they did finally get together. I, for one, would without a doubt be glued to their ship if they were to make it official, but that is just me. I can't speak for everyone else, obviously.   smile
coldangel

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« Reply #526 on: 08-25-2007 08:07 »

They'd probably become a little like Homer and Marge...
...if Marge were a lot more assertive... and violent.
But Mr & Mrs Simpson are still rather touching and fun to watch as a couple, despite having been married for the entire series. I don't think Futurama would be ruined if Fry and Leela got together - we'd just get to see the ups and downs of a particularly bizzare and unlikely relationship...
...like in The Simpsons.
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« Reply #527 on: 08-25-2007 11:40 »

The thing is though the whole idea of the Simpsons was a comedy that Parodied a cliched idea of the american family. Futurama is an entirely different show in part probably because of the 1000 years difference in social setting, it would be in danger of loosing its focus If it became a show about Fry and Leelas relationship. I agree the Simpsons are funny and this type of thing can work very well and be very funny. I just think Futurama would become a different show altogether if it went down this road. I could foresee a huge split in fanbase if this happened.
SonicPanther

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« Reply #528 on: 08-25-2007 12:25 »

I trust the writers, if they do get together I'm sure it will be written in a way that works and doesn't change the main aspects of the show.
bend_her

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« Reply #529 on: 08-25-2007 13:57 »

Why would Leela/Fry become the focus of the show if they hooked up? It seems like it's perfectly possible for them to be married, but have only one or two episodes that really touch on that. So the split in the fanbase, if any, would be among shippers, the kind that like being on tenterhooks on one side, everybody else on the other.
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« Reply #530 on: 08-25-2007 18:26 »

 
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Originally posted by Decapodian:

Beleive it or not, many viewers watch Futurama only for it's comedic value, not it's shippy value.

Liar! Liar! Ye are contaminated with the juicy fruit of the evil ones!

km73

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« Reply #531 on: 08-25-2007 20:20 »

Well, at any rate, unless I'm wrong, haven't MG and DXC said already that the F/L deal won't be resolved until the very end of the movies or the very last episode? I suppose at this point that's the best one could hope for, but the thing is, I personally don't want it to be even then. As I stated in the "Devil's Hands" thread, I felt the ending of that ep was just about perfect, and i would wish for them to leave it open once again. But of course that would piss off all the rabid shippers; i understand that the writers don't feel that they can get away with that anymore. I love Fry, I love Leela, I love their emotional moments and how they are such good friends; but i just preferred how they ended it in the first place.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #532 on: 08-25-2007 20:43 »

On the commentary for either "The Why of Fry" or "The Sting", they said that they would resolve the Fry and Leela relationship in a four-part episode- if it weren't for them getting canceled. This could be true, but not everything is truth on the commentaries. They might (probably not) end the arc in "Into the Wild Green Yonder".
Decapodian

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« Reply #533 on: 08-25-2007 23:22 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
 Liar! Liar! Ye are contaminated with the juicy fruit of the evil ones!


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

*throws watermelon of anti-shippiness at Xanfor*

Twilight is quite possibly the worst popular book ever written.
WAVer

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« Reply #534 on: 08-26-2007 09:03 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2007 09:03 »

 
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Originally posted by bend_her:
Why would Leela/Fry become the focus of the show if they hooked up? It seems like it's perfectly possible for them to be married, but have only one or two episodes that really touch on that. So the split in the fanbase, if any, would be among shippers, the kind that like being on tenterhooks on one side, everybody else on the other.

I support this message.

 
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
On the commentary for either "The Why of Fry" or "The Sting", they said that they would resolve the Fry and Leela relationship in a four-part episode- if it weren't for them getting canceled. This could be true, but not everything is truth on the commentaries. They might (probably not) end the arc in "Into the Wild Green Yonder".

To be honest, with the path/pattern that was set in the final season, it should really go one way. Any good writer(s) know that once they create, or being something, that it should always be completed, or have a satisfying ending, and not just leave it up in the air. With the movies coming out, they now have a chance to complete the Fry/Leela relationship that was meant to be finished in DHAIPT. I, too, trust the writers of Futurama to not leave us in the air and make us guess that things will work out between them both.
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« Reply #535 on: 08-26-2007 09:23 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2007 09:23 »

 
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Originally posted by Decapodian:

*throws watermelon of anti-shippiness at Xanfor*


Xanfor would like to advise Decapodian to check out the Shipping Culture article on WikiPEELia.

Xanfor

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« Reply #536 on: 08-26-2007 09:26 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2007 09:26 »

Xanfor would now like to apologize for existing double posting.
km73

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« Reply #537 on: 08-26-2007 12:56 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2007 12:56 »

Xanfor, please never apologize for existing.


 
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Originally posted by WAVer:
  ... Any good writer(s) know that once they create, or being something, that it should always be completed, or have a satisfying ending, and not just leave it up in the air.


For me, the ending of TDHAIP was satisfying. I understand that not everyone feels that way.

Edit: Yay, I'm a delivery boy!

coldangel

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« Reply #538 on: 08-26-2007 19:07 »

I thought it was satisfying too. About as satisfying as anything could ever be. It was bordering on utter perfection.
Ending on the surprise revelation of hope and tenderness is so much more poignant than your bog-standard "and they lived happily ever after".
It brought a tear to my eye.
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« Reply #539 on: 08-26-2007 19:07 »

 
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Originally posted by km73:
Xanfor, please never apologize for existing.


 
For me, the ending of TDHAIP was satisfying. I understand that not everyone feels that way.

Edit: Yay, I'm a delivery boy!


I felt the ending of Devil's Hands was satisfying, especially with the commentary.... Soothe me with your sweet voices for the last time......until you release your movie.
gaschief

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« Reply #540 on: 08-26-2007 19:59 »

23rd august 2007
 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
I don't know why they can't just be like every other non-comitted workplace 'couple' who are attracted to each other but restrained in that attraction, and just fuck each other every year after getting drunk at the office X-Mas party, and then pretend not to remember it afterwards.

...Because in the end, isn't that the most fulfilling relationship?
26th August 2007
 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
I thought it was satisfying too. About as satisfying as anything could ever be. It was bordering on utter perfection.
Ending on the surprise revelation of hope and tenderness is so much more poignant than your bog-standard "and they lived happily ever after".
It brought a tear to my eye.

These are incredibly emotionally polarized views on the same topic, within the space of three days.
Wild mood swings???  hmpf

The doctor is watching you!   wink



Gaschief AKA Karl Marx on acid!
SonicPanther

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« Reply #541 on: 08-26-2007 20:18 »

I also loved the ending of TDHAIP, I like endings that aren't completely open ended or bring closure to everything. It was just right. Also, it makes me cry. It's probably the "bad but also touching" music.
coldangel

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« Reply #542 on: 08-26-2007 21:11 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2007 21:11 by coldangel_1 »

 
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Originally posted by gaschief:
23rd august 2007
 These are incredibly emotionally polarized views on the same topic, within the space of three days.


They weren't really on the same topic at all..

The first was an intentionally ironic quasi-juxtapositioning of mundane non-dramatic real-world grittiness for the purpose of highlighting the distance between our dirty, venereal-disease-carrying reality and the oft-stylized elitist nature of fiction.
The second was appreciation for the adequate writing on a television show.

NB: My mood swings normally involve axes and the like. This is nothing.
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« Reply #543 on: 08-26-2007 23:06 »
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Leela: But, Fry, what about us?



Leela: It's you! Fry, are you alright? What happened?

This can kind of be considered shippy I guess.. also, this brings a point forward.  Fry has never said to Leela that he was in love for her; only that he loved her.  Do you think that he will eventually?  I really hope so.

[EDIT] I'm a Bending Unit  big grin
km73

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« Reply #544 on: 08-27-2007 00:16 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
I thought it was satisfying too. About as satisfying as anything could ever be. It was bordering on utter perfection.
Ending on the surprise revelation of hope and tenderness is so much more poignant than your bog-standard "and they lived happily ever after".
It brought a tear to my eye.

Much better than I could put it.

Regarding The Deep South, there's another excellent example of Fry not exactly being madly in love w/ Leela. Yes, yes, i know it was early, but the fact that he was so willing to stay underwater and live with a mermaid again shows that he wasn't already certain that L was the only woman for him. If he hadn't "discovered" that Umbriel had fish parts on the bottom, he might well have stayed with her.

My point w/ all these examples is not to get people upset, but simply to say that that's why to me Parasites Lost came sort of out of nowhere. This surely would have been even more the case if i had actually seen the episodes in order. I know if i had been watching them in order, which I wasn't, PL would have made me go "Huh?" He's always loved Leela? You mean even when he was getting it on with all those other women? etc. Oh well, anyway, that's why i liked the fact that i didn't see most of them in order. It gave me some different perspectives.
any1else

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« Reply #545 on: 08-27-2007 00:28 »

 
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Originally posted by km73:
My point w/ all these examples is not to get people upset, but simply to say that that's why to me Parasites Lost came sort of out of nowhere. This surely would have been even more the case if i had actually seen the episodes in order. I know if i had been watching them in order, which I wasn't, PL would have made me go "Huh?" He's always loved Leela? You mean even when he was getting it on with all those other women? etc. Oh well, anyway, that's why i liked the fact that i didn't see most of them in order. It gave me some different perspectives.

That's probably what makes it more true to life. Just because you might love someone, it doesn't mean they'll love you back. Fry may still have had feelings for Leela in those times when he was with other women, but it may have been because he didn't think Leela was going to love him (considering she didn't show much hope of that most of the time)that he figured he may as well move on with his life, but as time went on they became closer and he started to get more serious?
bend_her

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« Reply #546 on: 08-27-2007 01:43 »

 
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Fry has never said to Leela that he was in love for with her; only that he loved her.
Just a syntactical difference, I think this is reading way too far into the script.

km73, Fry was acting impulsively when he met Umbriel. I'm positive someone's said this before, but my belief is that Leela is holding Fry off to make sure his intentions are not just an impulse, and that she may be overdoing it because of her own rather cautious nature.

Offtopic, but shouldn't your sig read "I'm not imaginary, I'm complex!"?   cool 
km73

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« Reply #547 on: 08-27-2007 02:55 »

 
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Originally posted by bend_her:

Offtopic, but shouldn't your sig read "I'm not imaginary, I'm complex!"?    cool 


  confused No, I'm pretty sure she said parallel?? Granted I haven't seen the episode for a while but I could swear that's right.
coldangel

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« Reply #548 on: 08-27-2007 08:13 »

 
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Originally posted by km73:
 "Huh?" He's always loved Leela? You mean even when he was getting it on with all those other women?

Sure. Why not? Real life relationships are like that... infinite shades of grey and imagining the person you're shagging is actually another person who won't shag you...
Like the time I accidentally called any1else 'Holly' while we were screwing...
Point is - life's full of those sorts of self-deluding compromises. In real life, when a person is in love with someone who doesn't want them, they'll rarely remain chaste their whole lives waiting for something to change.

Added to which, Fry's an impulsive person given to random acts of short-lived enthusiasm. It might have been that he'd written Leela off as an impossibility and was 'settling' for the mermaid girl in the same way that all married people have settled for their spouses out of desperation or defeat - 'good enough' eventually just has to do.
SonicPanther

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« Reply #549 on: 08-27-2007 16:17 »

And now I shall make a point:

These characters are not real people.

They can be made to do anything solely for the purpose of it being funny.
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« Reply #550 on: 08-27-2007 16:23 »

 
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Originally posted by WAVer:
Everyone is different with what they may get out of futurama, but I'm not completely sold on "If Fry and Leela finally got together, their relationship wouldn't be so interesting" idea. I can honestly see many angles and ideas and so forth that can be done if they did finally get together. I, for one, would without a doubt be glued to their ship if they were to make it official, but that is just me. I can't speak for everyone else, obviously.    smile

That is exactly what I was trying to say. It sounds better your way though.
Xanfor

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« Reply #551 on: 08-27-2007 20:19 »

 
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Originally posted by SonicPanther:

These characters are not real people.

They can be made to do anything solely for the purpose of it being funny.

And if the writers ever get that idea into their heads, goodbye decent show.
Kryten

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« Reply #552 on: 08-27-2007 20:27 »

 
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Originally posted by SonicPanther:
And now I shall make a point:

These characters are not real people.

They can be made to do anything solely for the purpose of it being funny.

That'd be terriffic... if this was Family Guy. Then, having characters randomly do crap for laughs would be just fine.

We Futurama fans expect a little more from our show. Like not insulting our intelligence by having people act out-of-character just for some contrived joke.

SonicPanther

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« Reply #553 on: 08-27-2007 21:12 »
« Last Edit on: 08-27-2007 21:12 »

That's not what I meant. Analyzing everything a character does and why exactly they did it is ridiculous. I'm not saying I expect them to go completely OOC at the expense of a cheap joke.
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« Reply #554 on: 08-27-2007 21:41 »

 
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Originally posted by SonicPanther:
That's not what I meant. Analyzing everything a character does and why exactly they did it is ridiculous.

Out. Out of my thread. Now.


SonicPanther

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« Reply #555 on: 08-27-2007 22:06 »
« Last Edit on: 08-27-2007 22:06 »

I love watching you guys analyze. I even try to do it myself sometimes, when I'm feeling smart. But there is such a thing as over analyzing.

And by the way, this particular thread s mine. I made it.    wink
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« Reply #556 on: 08-27-2007 22:08 »
« Last Edit on: 08-27-2007 22:08 by coldangel_1 »

 
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Originally posted by SonicPanther:
That's not what I meant. Analyzing everything a character does and why exactly they did it is ridiculous.

I'm actually inclined to agree with that at face value, but I think it's been long established that it's more 'self-examination by proxy' (as someone put it). In the same way we analyse literary texts in study of advanced English - it's an exploration of two aspects:

A: How society and human characterists are portrayed in the text, and
B: How intertextuality sees our own values and beliefs imposed upon said text and reflected back at us.

So in the end, it's really more about us. That's why, although it does seem like stupid obsessive geeky shite to analyse this stuff ad-nauseum, there is actually an intellectual purpose behind it (despite my own occassional impatience when we retread the same ground over and over).

Now, pondering how suicide booths dispose of the bodies and wondering if Pluto and McPluto are the same planet - THAT is ridiculous.     no no

EDIT AFTER YOUR EDIT:
You should do what I do when the examination becomes too much - just leave the thread for a while.
Xanfor

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« Reply #557 on: 08-27-2007 22:44 »

 
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Originally posted by SonicPanther:
I love watching you guys analyze. I even try to do it myself sometimes, when I'm feeling smart. But there is such a thing as over analyzing.

No there is not.  tongue

 
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And by the way, this particular thread s mine. I made it.     wink

This thread is mine in the same way Star Trek is Gene Roddenberry's.

Shiny is D.C. Fontana.

Coldangel_1 is Rick Berman.

You are Jeri Taylor.

But no matter who's who, I started the  franchise. It's mine.

bend_her

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« Reply #558 on: 08-27-2007 23:16 »

 
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No, I'm pretty sure she said parallel?? Granted I haven't seen the episode for a while but I could swear that's right.
You probably are. I was referencing the t-shirt.  Not quite as bad as what those antenna geeks wear...

 
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This thread is mine in the same way Star Trek is Gene Roddenberry's.

Shiny is D.C. Fontana.

Coldangel_1 is Rick Berman.

You are Jeri Taylor.

Thanks for that lesson in pop history... who says lurking on message boards wasn't productive  smile
Sedna

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« Reply #559 on: 08-28-2007 12:59 »

So I was watching... damn, what was it?  I can't even remember.  One of the season three episodes, anyway - and I realized, there's a lot of F/L handholding.  So I decided to make a collage - but as usual I overdid things slightly.
Lots and lots of hands...
[oh, and yes, I'm still around, just with summer-caused Internet-cut-down.   frown ]
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