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coldangel

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« Reply #200 on: 11-15-2006 22:02 »

Cyberphobia - there was a question? Hmm... I dunno, in my experience nothing is that black and white, and nothing can be constrained to pre-set guidelines and rules, least of all affairs of the heart.

Maz - that's what I mean, hey. In the last season of the series they're virtually a couple anyway. The only thing Leela won't commit to is the *word*; she has a phobia about it. Fry needn't give a toss.

Space Case - It's a katana. Katanas are longswords. The shorter ones you're thinking of are wakizashis. The curvature varies.

Fry_B - let's just be friends  tongue
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« Reply #201 on: 11-15-2006 22:41 »

OK I see what you're saying about 'what is dating?' and I have a new theory thingy. If it's not official, then people don't really know where they stand. Like they might be too scared to kiss the other person or whatever. Dating really makes it more than a friendship in terms of intimacy of the two people. And by getting married, it's like saying that they want that intimacy forever and that they'll never fall out of love with each other or break up or whatever. Dating makes breaking up more simplistic because it's sorta like a temporary thing anyway (until either breakup or marriage) but marriage is like saying they'll never break up (in theory).

Plus there are other benefits because almost every girl wants to get married. And marriage is more of a togetherness where the two become one. And you do like everything together (finances, decisions etc.) and it's more of a family.
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« Reply #202 on: 11-15-2006 23:38 »

Having never dated, I wouldn't really know. But just strikes me as a very juvenile concept, like little kids having boyfriends and girlfriends in the schoolyard.
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« Reply #203 on: 11-16-2006 00:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
... I have a new theory thingy. If it's not official, then people don't really know where they stand...
It seems that Leela doesn't want to know where she and Fry stand. At least, she doesn't want to admit there's anything more than simple friendship between them.
For whatever reason...

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1
Space Case - It's a katana. Katanas are longswords.The shorter ones you're thinking of are wakizashis. The curvature varies.
Hey, I saw 'Shogun'! I know these things!  wink
Actually, I thought it was a longer sword, the proper name of which I... don't remember.  hmpf
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« Reply #204 on: 11-16-2006 00:20 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Having never dated, I wouldn't really know. But just strikes me as a very juvenile concept, like little kids having boyfriends and girlfriends in the schoolyard.
Oh well sorry that I'm not an adult yet but I can't think of anything more mature as an explanation.
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« Reply #205 on: 11-16-2006 00:47 »

SpaceCase - It's about the same length as the real one I have on my mantlepiece  big grin.
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« Reply #206 on: 11-16-2006 04:52 »
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Originally posted by any1else:
I understand what you’re saying, I just don’t get the whole point of it. Even when people are ‘dating’ they don’t necessarily have feelings for each other. It’s the same with marriage. People still end up cheating on each other or not feeling the same way. Why do people have to classify themselves as things when they don’t even live by the standard they’re supposedly setting for themselves by having that title in the first place? Why not go titlelss and live honestly with the "I like you/I dont like you" setting the starndard, rather than some...word...telling what you should be?


Here's some Wikipedia:

In Western societies, a date is an occasion when one socializes with a potential lover or spouse: it is a pre-scheduled, usually exclusive meeting of two people with mutual interest in one another, to communicate with and to understand each other better through joint participation in one or more social activities during time away from work or school. In this sense, the purpose of a date is for the people dating to become acquainted with each other and decide whether they want to have a relationship.

So I don't see *love*  necessarily being involved but 'liking' is involved...However I remember when I was a teenager I went on a few dates I hated from beginning to end - Why ? many many factors - different society, different times... it would take a long time to explain. I was left with sour feelings then and it took a while to recover. Sounds good ? then do NOT go on a date with someone you do not like. You probably knew that already. If you want to discuss that issue deeper I am afraid you will have to go to the self-exploration (DD) thread...
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« Reply #207 on: 11-16-2006 05:04 »

Pfft... dating, eh? What a way to turn something tender and nice into a stiff and unromantic formal occasion.

Haha, I hate society. People are just animals strutting around trying to attract a potential mate; selfishly and atavistically seeking to pass on their worthless genetic material despite all pretense of 'civilization'. Humans are so fucked. It makes me angry.

Anyway... Fry and Leela already know virtually everything there is to know about each other. If they 'dated' it would seem little more than a forced outward display of something that already exists (or maybe a flimsy facade of something that doesn't, although that's unlikely) which would be rather pointless and shallow.
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« Reply #208 on: 11-16-2006 05:06 »
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
Dating makes breaking up more simplistic because it's sorta like a temporary thing anyway (until either breakup or marriage) but marriage is like saying they'll never break up (in theory).

I just see it in the way I see an instruction. When someone says you HAVE to do something, you don't really feel like doing it anymore, even if before they told you it had to be done you wouldn't have minded doing it. I think that's what scares people in 'dating' and 'marriage' - they've been defined, what if they don't want to be defined and break it off when otherwise it possibly could have lasted longer? And why should it have to last longer anyway, sometimes people just get bored, it was a fling, or they're not ready for it. Why get married six times like everyone seems to be doing these days? So much money you could be spending to go on a holiday with someone, have a good time and if the relationship doesn't work out at least you enjoyed it while it lasted...or is that too simple? I don't know. I'm just rambling again.    tongue

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
the purpose of a date is for the people dating to become acquainted with each other and decide whether they want to have a relationship.
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then do NOT go on a date with someone you do not like.
Or just don't hang around with people you don't like anyway...

But for that purpose, you can still figure those things out without taking a person somewhere. It's not really natural even. People certainly aren't going to act the way they would normally when they know that by being all pretty/dressing up/fake they're more likely to succeed in whatever they're trying to achieve...why go though that pressure? While working together Fry and Leela got to see the other for who they really were, because they were just working, doing something they normally do.

People keep posting things while I try to type my responses...stop it!    tongue I've lost what I'm saying.
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« Reply #209 on: 11-16-2006 06:00 »


1) at work they may not get a chance to be romantic (in Insane.. Leela kisses Fry, and other examples at work - that is not real romance)
2) at work they are rarely alone
3) at work.. do you want more ? They can't just do it where Fry used to sleep (meeting table) !

So it appears they both recognize a date as an opportunity for something (more than what can happen at work) to occur. That is why Fry keeps bringing it up and Leela is afraid to give in. They see it as an opportunity... why can't you ?

At work they know each other professionally (well mostly). They need a chance to be alone and romantic and so on. What is so complicated about this people ?

In the alternate universe they got together after a date, not while being at work they just went for it.

Etc etc...post post post..

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« Reply #210 on: 11-16-2006 06:10 »

Leave us bitter jaded lonely people alone. We hate people who have successful romances. They're scum - they think they're better than us.
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« Reply #211 on: 11-16-2006 06:12 »

My original point was why does it have to be classified as a date...he could easily say "hey Leela, I'm going to play mini-golf after work, want to join me?" and then afterwards they might go off and get some dinner then go back to Fry's place to watch a favourite show on TV. It wouldn't be a date, it would simply be spending time together, unclassified, more casual, and it could still lead somewhere. La la la...
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« Reply #212 on: 11-16-2006 06:18 »

Actually that's the way he'd probably get her:
Don't call it a date. She'd happily go along and have a date with him if that word wasn't used. Words can have great power, and often carry negative energy.
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« Reply #213 on: 11-16-2006 06:24 »

- She tried to explain but couldn't figure out how to put it.
Now who's simplifying things...Aww, the one thing I was good at I'm not good at no mores.
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« Reply #214 on: 11-16-2006 06:37 »

  cool
It's all good.

Casual is the word of the day. Keep things casual and people are relaxed. When people are relaxed they're more themselves, and if they're themselves then the proper function of courting can be fulfilled.
Putting labels on things immediately makes them worrysome.
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« Reply #215 on: 11-16-2006 06:48 »

KIC - Keep it Casual.

Yes. Just like me with my exams. I haven't stressed one bit about uni since...halfway through last semester, and I passed those units, and I might pass the current ones...

Posting on forums is a great way to study.
Fry and Leela have EVERYTHING to do with mathematics tonight. Next week: Health.  tongue

Ahem. So the linear line on which Fry progresses his attempts at wooing Leela is parallel to the tangent on the parabola of Leela's feelings...
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« Reply #216 on: 11-16-2006 06:52 »

Euuuaaahhh.... DON'T!
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« Reply #217 on: 11-16-2006 07:01 »

 big grin
I don't even know what that's on about. Actually, I have an idea, but that's more year 11/12 maths and we're only looking at up to year 7 maths so...

Fry + ? = Leela + Mutual interest.

...Or something.
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« Reply #218 on: 11-16-2006 07:04 »

Maths makes baby Jesus cry...
any1else

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« Reply #219 on: 11-16-2006 07:11 »

Heh heh, baby cheezus...

Oh right, off-topic you say.
So, ship harder, eh?
I'll ship you!
The friend ship. Oh, I think I lost a nail.

Maybe if we all squeeze our fists really hard and think about them getting together, Fry and Leela will get together.
Is that shipping hard, compared to previous shippng, or do we need to go further than that?
Should we build a true-to-life P.E. ship and call it 'The Relation'?
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« Reply #220 on: 11-16-2006 07:21 »

 
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Originally posted by any1else:
And why should it have to last longer anyway, sometimes people just get bored, it was a fling, or they're not ready for it. Why get married six times like everyone seems to be doing these days? So much money you could be spending to go on a holiday with someone, have a good time and if the relationship doesn't work out at least you enjoyed it while it lasted...or is that too simple?
Because a lot of people want a commitment. If it's not made an official relationship, then people wont think of it as a relationship and there will be cheating and such. Notice that even though Fry loves Leela, he still has relationships with others. If it's just a fling thing, people might feel they are being used and that they are only there for sex or whatever, not because they are actually liked. They don't want to be with someone only once. They want a lasting relationship and to say they are dating is the commitment to make it lasting. I know I don't want to have just a random kiss with a friend. If I was to kiss someone, I'd want it to be through a relationship.

It needs to be official in a certain sense because how can someone propose to someone that they aren't even dating? Isn't that weird to you?
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« Reply #221 on: 11-16-2006 07:23 »

......Oh yeah, I just got that...

Fry and Leela are both too focused on their work as FBI agents to fully appreciate each other. Fry's obsessed with his missing sister and the quest to prove the existence of aliens, and Scully is an untra-professional ice queen... she and Mulder just need to get really drunk together one night and...
...I'm sorry, I forgot what television forum I was on for a second there... oops.
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« Reply #222 on: 11-16-2006 07:31 »

 
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Because a lot of people want a commitment. If it's not made an official relationship, then people wont think of it as a relationship and there will be cheating and such. Notice that even though Fry loves Leela, he still has relationships with others. If it's just a fling thing, people might feel they are being used and that they are only there for sex or whatever, not because they are actually liked. They don't want to be with someone only once. They want a lasting relationship and to say they are dating is the commitment to make it lasting. I know I don't want to have just a random kiss with a friend. If I was to kiss someone, I'd want it to be through a relationship.

Why would someone be with someone they didn't like though? Instead of saying "hey, wanna go out with me?" why not say "hey, I find you attractive, and I'm interested in knowing more about you. Can I sit here and annoy you for a while?" and the other person can either say yes or no, depending on how they're feeling at that moment.

That's what I was talking about though, the whole commitment thing. That's what people are afraid of. If you took that burden of it being committed - a life sentence - it wouldn't seem so horrifying, and people might actually be able to be happy with the person they're with...in some cases. I dunno. Everybody’s different so what does it matter…
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« Reply #223 on: 11-16-2006 07:52 »

 
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Originally posted by any1else:
Oh, I think I lost a nail.

For want of a nail, the 'look' was lost,
For want of the 'look,' the outfit was lost,
For want of the outfit, the mood was lost,
For want of the mood, a coin was tossed,
For want of a 'heads,' the date was lost,
For want of the date, the magic was lost,
For want of the magic, the romance was lost,
For want of the romance, the marriage was lost,
For want of the marriage, the 'Ship was lost,
And all for the want of a press-on nail!

 eek

Oh my Lord, that's what must have happened!  Quick, someone freeze some Lee Press-On Nails!

 
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Should we build a true-to-life P.E. ship and call it 'The Relation'?

Actually, that was what I was going to call the Starship I'm allegedly Captain of, but so many people who joined way after me (and who don't make crap posts, either) have already earned their Doctorate of Phuturamasophy, I thought I'd just Captain my way quietly through grad school without any fuss.

 wink
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« Reply #224 on: 11-16-2006 07:56 »

 
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 how can someone propose to someone that they aren't even dating? Isn't that weird to you?

Not really...

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« Reply #225 on: 11-16-2006 11:15 »

Depends if someone really loves someone, being perfectly honest, I was once proposed to on a first date! The would be romeo took me to dinner, and said he didn't care if we had to have a long engagment as long as he had me. I sat practically shell shocked through the whole meal, and he was understanding, he thought I needed more time to think about it. Needless to say I never saw him again.

Fry and Leela have it easier, they actually know eachother, and are good friends, with Fry being totally in love with Leela and Leela not really sure.
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« Reply #226 on: 11-16-2006 21:09 »
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^ OMG! LOL! How old were you at the time?
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« Reply #227 on: 11-16-2006 21:52 »

Yeah, that's what I meant - they're two people who are virtually a married couple already.
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« Reply #228 on: 11-16-2006 23:24 »

Nah they're not. They have no intimacy. They really are just really good friends. And they still continue to date other people (particularly Leela).

This is a bit random but for Aussies here: When the new episodes of Futurama come out in 2008, we'll get them on channel 10 probably, wont we?
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« Reply #229 on: 11-17-2006 03:10 »

Possibly... Probably... They're being made for Comedy Central though, as opposed to previous episodes that were made for the network we do not name.

As an aside, The 30% Iron Chef was on tonight and I thought it was really cute when Leela bursts into tears because she's forced to eat Bender's cooking.
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« Reply #230 on: 11-17-2006 07:01 »

LOL yeah I would have expected that to come more from Amy but it was funnier coming from Leela.
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« Reply #231 on: 11-17-2006 11:19 »

AND also, re the same episode:
Something possibly shippy but not in regard to Fry and Leela... Bender called Amy "cute". Bender NEVER compliments people on their looks. It passed beneath everyone's notice because they were too busy being mortified by the 'meal' he cooked, but I thought it was strange of him. Then I remembered the Anthology episode where he gets made human and one of the first things he does is starts making out with her and presumably shags her.

Does Bender have a secret crush on Amy?
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« Reply #232 on: 11-17-2006 11:38 »

 
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^ OMG! LOL! How old were you at the time?

Too young to get married  wink

And Bender having a crush on Amy...ewwwwww


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« Reply #233 on: 11-17-2006 19:35 »

What? I think it's sweet.
Plus he was going out with Lucy Liu for a while, so the human/robot taboo breech is not without precedent.
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« Reply #234 on: 11-17-2006 19:57 »

I don't think Bender was registering an opinion of Amy's attractiveness.  I think he was treating "cuteness" as a commodity, a mysterious human thing that Amy is known for...I can see the Bender-POV scanner view now:

NAME: AMY WONG

SPECIES: HUMAN (ORIGIN MARS)

FUNCTION: SOURCE OF QUICK CASH

DIFFICULTY:HARDLY ANY
...DRAWBACK: NO CHALLENGE
...ADVANTAGE: NO CHALLENGE

COUNTERINDICATIONS:SHE WILL EVENTUALLY CATCH ON IF AMOUNTS EXCEED 10% OF HER MONTHLY STIPEND.  USE MODERATION. 

QUALITIES:
1. RICH
2. CLUMSY
3. CUTE [REFERENCE:PONIES, KITTENS, HUMAN YOUNG AND OTHER DISGUSTING LARVAE]

COMMENTS: RESERVE RANSOM PLAN 4.037.B//"WONGSCORE" FOR DIRE EMERGENCY ONLY; MAY NOT BE EFFECTIVE AFTER THE FIRST THREE TIMES.

As for Human Bender "presumably having sex" with her, I doubt it.  That was the post-Kif Amy. 

Then again, this is the What If Machine, which thinks that Leela would kill all her friends except Fry AND heartlessly skewer her beloved Nibbler "like a tomato" (the same Leela who wept uncontrollably at shooting a random penguin).  roll eyes


Also, I am SOOO glad it's Friday.  cool

Shiny "Monday Monkey Lives for the Weekend" J. Fangirl
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« Reply #235 on: 11-17-2006 20:03 »

Awww... way to quash my matchmaking efforts...
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« Reply #236 on: 11-17-2006 21:07 »
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As for Human Bender "presumably having sex" with her, I doubt it.  That was the post-Kif Amy. 

Yes I wondered about that too - Bender however quickly got into the deadly spiral of eat-drink-smoke-dance-f*ck-eat-drink-... and I believe Amy was put off before he reached the f-word stage by the way the ate and drank... what a pity - at a stage he almost looked like Zapp...

On the other hand, I have seen pics proving the opposite - but yes they were not canon   smile
 
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Also, I am SOOO glad it's Friday.    cool
15 deg C- a bit chilly there... um....ohh PLEASE SWAP ME ! I like cold weather and here we'll soon have the 36s around Christmas!

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« Reply #237 on: 11-17-2006 21:30 »
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I like cold weather too, but I don't speak Celcius.  It's pleasantly brisk here, but will be warming soon, and ONCE AGAIN we'll have a ridiculously HOT THANKSGIVING.  Like maybe in the (F)80's.  It might as well be The Fourth of July.  (Of course, the 4th is nearly unliveable in Houston...I once went on the 4th to an outdoor "Concert on the Bayou," to see Styx I believe    wink, and got mild heat prostration and asked to lie down in the med tent...while I was there they had a crisis, a woman got real sunstroke and was red and dry and they were putting on and taking off icewater soaked towels as fast as they could until the ambulance came...and I thought to myself, "This is absolutely nuts.  Why are we out here putting ourselves through these brutal conditions?  This is NOT the climate for picnics on Independence Day!  It's the climate lurk in the cool darkness of our air-conditioned caves and emerge only at dawn and dusk, and then with great caution.  The banks of a Bayou in high Summer are not for noontime frolicking."  And so I have lurked during summer ever since, as much as I could manage. )

To drag this kicking and screaming onto some semblance of topic: Which kind of climate would people like to see Fry and Leela stuck together in?  Cold means huddling together for warmth all cozy like...Hot/humid means lots of sweaty tank tops and t-shirts, and sleeping with minimum clothing on...hot/dry means brutal days of hot sun  with contrastingly cold nights (see above: warmth, huddling together for).

Yes, I believe in blatant plot contrivance to force shippiness...so sue me....    tongue
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« Reply #238 on: 11-17-2006 21:37 »

What about the professor? Should he get together with anyone? Hattie, perhaps? Or maybe there are fans of the Farnsworth/Mom combo. Or perhaps he should not find love at all?
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« Reply #239 on: 11-17-2006 23:44 »

Sure he should find love...and we will dwell on the details AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.

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