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Decapodian

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« Reply #680 on: 12-07-2006 00:05 »
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I think in any new eps Fry and Leela will be dating since in the end of the Devils hands Leela realised that fry really loved her.

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« Reply #681 on: 12-07-2006 02:53 »
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Originally posted by Decapodian:
This thread is constantly changing topics in case anyone hasnt noticed

That's because it's about self analysis by proxy, man. The proxies being Fry & Leela and their special thing. Read through the previous pages. I'm getting tired of posting this over & over... as Cyber said, yeah, we drag it back kicking & screaming to Futurama every so often but I use it as a pretext to ask inward-looking questions. And they love it   smile or they pretend very well..

[To all]
May I submit a previous question of mine (which got no answers) in a slightly modified form:

If you were to show Fry & Leela's relationship, or just Fry, or just Leela (whichever you relate to / like most if you prefer that to the shippy) by using a single frame of the show, which would it be?

I know it's a convoluted question. E.g. if you like the shippy most of all, which frame of the shippy would you 'frame'? (that made it a lot clearer - it's all mud now - Zoidberg!)

[EDIT] and Decapod, no. In TDHAIP Leela acted on her love for Fry. She realised she loved Fry in The Sting. She knows (and feels) Fry loves her for a long time.
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« Reply #682 on: 12-07-2006 03:53 »

Leela knew Fry loved her since Parasites Lost.

Fry: Leela...I love you!
Leela: You do?
Fry: Yes! But it's only recently that I've been able to articulate my thoughts. I love you Leela and I always have.
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« Reply #683 on: 12-07-2006 07:20 »

 
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If you were to show Fry & Leela's relationship, or just Fry, or just Leela (whichever you relate to / like most if you prefer that to the shippy) by using a single frame of the show, which would it be?

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« Reply #684 on: 12-07-2006 08:11 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
Leela knew Fry loved her since Parasites Lost.

Fry: Leela...I love you!
Leela: You do?
Fry: Yes! But it's only recently that I've been able to articulate my thoughts. I love you Leela and I always have.

But Leela didn't know if the worms caused him to REALIZE he loved her, or if they CAUSED him to love her.
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« Reply #685 on: 12-07-2006 09:00 »

I think Leela knew it was really Fry's feelings and not the worms. Why would the worms make Fry think he's always loved Leela if he hadn't. Wouldn't it be a sudden thing then? There would be no reason for Fry to say "and I always have".

I think that pic you chose Joel is really good, practically perfect even, in showing their relationship because it shows how Leela is always looking for the right guy for her but deep down it's always been Fry. And she's looking past what's right in front of her (through the hole of the photo).
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« Reply #686 on: 12-07-2006 09:20 »

That's the idea, yep. I couldn't (and wouldn't) have put it better myself.
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« Reply #687 on: 12-07-2006 09:49 »
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It seem this is a just discussion indeed, from the offset Fry has shown he has feelings for Leela, and from time to time we see she has feelings for him too, but she holds back. Why? I dunno, and the episode with the what if machine she only slept with Fry because she were more impulsive and did it to stop him talking. Which is strange as everyone else who found out was brutally murdered, maybe she didn't want him dead because of her feelings for him yet had to shut him up someway.
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« Reply #688 on: 12-07-2006 09:54 »

I think that AOI segment went a little too far on the impulsiveness side for Leela. This is why I tend not to pay much canonical heed to the AOI episodes. Are we really to believe that there's a psychopathic serial killer lurking beneath Leela's restrained exterior?
The Professor's 'What If' machine seems geared more to the humourus and bizzare rather than the accurate or realistic.


Here's a thought I had today while watching M*A*S*H:  Leela reminds me a lot of Hot Lips... just a lot less shouty.
FENIX

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« Reply #689 on: 12-07-2006 10:03 »

Eh? Hoolahan?

Well... no. Sorry dude, can't see it.

That aside, I think it is possible for Leela to be homicidal, I mean look at the facts.

1: Wears boots

2: Enjoys beating people, especially physically with the resounding HIGH YAR!

3: Knows martial arts

4: Is tougher than the soldiers in war is the H word

5: Slept with Zap Brannigan (If that didn't push her over the edge I don't wanna know what will)

6: Is generally bosy and down right mean at times.

7 : erm.... likes tank tops, you know what I mean.

There see, just to name a few, all leads to homicidal tendancies, anyone who wears a tank top should be shot.

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« Reply #690 on: 12-07-2006 10:13 »

Not physically. Hot Lips isn't a looker... just personality-wise. Well she Leela-ish in the episode I was watching... I haven't seen much of MASH.

You don't like tank tops, eh? Well... I have no objection to women wearing them.
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« Reply #691 on: 12-07-2006 10:22 »

No, I really don't see any accuracy at all in AOI. Leela does not have homicidal tendencies. She loves all living things.

The most accurate thing in those episodes was to show us what would happen if the professor invented the finglonger (sp?).
FENIX

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« Reply #692 on: 12-07-2006 10:24 »
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WHA??! Don't defend the Tank top, you'll be saying the TUBE TOP is the best invention ever next! And I suppose you'd like some chubby bint in a bikini thong eh? What's wrong with you ozzies? Oh yeah, I forgot, most of women back in Blighty are nothing like the girls you get down there, you lucky jammy bastards, a size 18 is considered annorexic over here.

Still, it summer down there now though innit? So I suppose I could let it slide, just this once.

I still don't understand the whole Leela/Hulahan thing though, just must be you.

She IS homicidal, why won't you listen to me?!
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« Reply #693 on: 12-07-2006 10:37 »

As a homicidal person, I see few corresponding attributes between myself and Leela.
Nah, she's too easily prompted into motherly, nurturing behaviour, and defending the weak, and cuddling furry animals, etc etc.
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« Reply #694 on: 12-07-2006 10:45 »

Ok then, shall we agree she is a nuturing, caring, considerate and yet complex authority figure, with SLIGHT homicidal tendencies? I think that sounds fair.
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« Reply #695 on: 12-07-2006 10:56 »

The full spectrum of humanity, less one eye.
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« Reply #696 on: 12-07-2006 11:03 »

Not entirely my friend, not until you have been in combat do you ever see the true nature of "humanity", I've seen the greatest of heroes accomplish things that would inspire all men, their galantry and valour are second to none, and yet I have seen what some are capable of, the very essence of evil, so foul and gut wrenching I cannot put it in words.

Leela then, you could say, has the balance tipped towards the light, as most of us do, even Bender is a good "person", yeah he might cheat lie steal abuse and be generally selfabsorded and selfish, but he not strictly evil is he, he still looks out for his friends... sometimes... well maybe once.
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« Reply #697 on: 12-07-2006 11:11 »

Right...
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« Reply #698 on: 12-07-2006 21:47 »
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
I think Leela knew it was really Fry's feelings and not the worms. Why would the worms make Fry think he's always loved Leela if he hadn't. Wouldn't it be a sudden thing then? There would be no reason for Fry to say "and I always have".

I think that pic you chose Joel is really good, practically perfect even, in showing their relationship because it shows how Leela is always looking for the right guy for her but deep down it's always been Fry. And she's looking past what's right in front of her (through the hole of the photo).

Excellent choice, CA. and excellent explanation, Cyber. You sometimes complement each other very very well (I almost chanted 'CA's got a giiiiirlfriend' but slammed on the brakes     smile stop! look at the funny side, and no spanners please)

On the Parasites and Fry++, I argued somewhere in this thread that at this point (up to end of series) Fry can only express his love properly either by enhancers (worms, hands) or in extreme life & death situations (L&R, The Sting).
'Properly' means so that Leela is reassured (like every woman needs to be, every so often (she feels the love but needs to be reassured... and something more would not hurt either     wink) ) So I called them 'enhancers', not 'mind changers'. And on this one I believe I must agree to disagree with Shiny although I can understand Leela's subsequent (after worms were gone that is) skeptical POV and its extension such as in the Other Side of Parasites (fanfic, not canon, but good point). So my small lettered answer to Decap stands: she knew it for a long time, realised she does too in The Sting, and acted upon it in TDHAIP.

[EDIT] I knew there was another bracket to close! There..

(Oh, and as promised (but not requested), I am Ovidiu, the (approximate) Latin spelling for the English Ovid. Nice to meet you, S and J. It's an unusual name so an easy target for Google (I can hear typing!). I am proud of my Roman descendence, so it kinda makes sense. And I'm passing this tradition to my kids)
Decapodian

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« Reply #699 on: 12-08-2006 03:06 »

Is your name really Ovidiu?


Oh and since this was brought up earlier, Fry was named Phillip in honour of Phillip Hartman who was going to be the voice of Fry but died shortly before they started making the show.

Tragic....
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« Reply #700 on: 12-08-2006 03:44 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
As a homicidal person, I see few corresponding attributes between myself and Leela.
Nah, she's too easily prompted into motherly, nurturing behaviour, and defending the weak, and cuddling furry animals, etc etc.


I can smell fear... of retribution...  smile nah ... you are probably right, Farnsworth's What If artefact is a rather crude machine powered by a pull-string. BTW I am still to view again that 'now I really like it' line that Shiny soo likes - I thought Leela in fact killed Fry or hurt him really bad - heheh... I am so na´ve...

Decap: Yes it is. As I said, in the style of LRR. But let's not dwell on that. [StarWars] Stay on Target! Stay on Target! [Baannng!][/StarWars]
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« Reply #701 on: 12-08-2006 08:23 »

No, she did something kinky and erotic.
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« Reply #702 on: 12-08-2006 08:23 »

Decapodian: Phil Hartman was to have played the role of Zapp Brannigan (it was written for him).  Or was this another attempt to hoax us, like the 'Zoidberg dying in second season' thing?  <suspicious glare> We're watching you, boy....

FryB: You were SUPPOSED to think Leela killed him when he screamed...then they flipped expectations on us one more time.  wink

And re: Leela knowing Fry loves her: Logically, Leela might conclude that Fry was just revealing his true feelings in PL...but when has logic had anything to do with emotion?  tongue  Leela has trust and abandonment issues and has been taken advantage of by jerks before ("even Shaun!" ).  Speaking of which, she saw Fry "training" Zoidberg to "fake like" he was in love, just to "score."  How was Leela to know that the worms just didn't make Fry better at pretending he loved her?  Many people have speculated that if Fry had remained super-intelligent, he'd have eventually become cold, arrogant, and villianous (a science fiction cliche' which I don't entirely agree with, but onward)...Leela's thoughts might have run the same way, on a gut level.  Sure, WE know Fry retained his sweetness and even his nerdiness (LOVED the peanut butter line), but from Leela's POV it could all have been a super-intelligent manipulative game just to get her in the sack. 

No, that's not a realistic fear for Leela to have, but that's why they're called "trust issues" - 'cause they make it nearly impossible for the person to trust. 

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« Reply #703 on: 12-08-2006 08:32 »

The disappointment in his reversion from super-suave-James-Bond-Fry back to normal roast-chicken-on-the-head-Fry would have been a sharp stab in the guts for her. For a brief time she had everything she loves about Fry (whether she knows she loves him or not) but without any of the things she dislikes about him. To have all those negative aspects return in an instant when she was just on the edge of succumbing to her attraction would have been too much to take in, and would have felt like some kind of betrayal in an abstract way - she'd finally opened up and become vulnerable and suddenly he decides to drop a bomb like that right on top of her. Leela's not too in touch with her feelings, so she responded in the only way she knows how - she slammed shut her defenses and recoiled. She showed him the door. That's the safe way. That's the way with the least chance of hurt.
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« Reply #704 on: 12-08-2006 08:40 »

Well actually, she seemed unsure of what to do. Right up until he mentioned an ex girlfriend (Amy). That's when she showed him the door. When he said he was gonna do for her what he'd done with others, which is a total mood killer.
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« Reply #705 on: 12-08-2006 08:57 »

Yes well, that was the clincher.
I've never had a proper relationship and never will, but even I know not to say something like that  tongue
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« Reply #706 on: 12-08-2006 09:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
(I almost chanted 'CA's got a giiiiirlfriend' but slammed on the brakes     
LOL what is with everyone making that joke at me today? LOL

I was at work and said goodbye to a guy I work with and my brother was there and started with the "ooooh is that your booooyfriend, Sarah?" and the "you can ask her out you know, she's single," type lines. Soooooo embarrassing.

And cool name Ovidiu. I'll never remember it though LOL. Don't be offended by that.
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« Reply #707 on: 12-08-2006 10:00 »

With a name like Ovidiu he has little choice but to become some manner of superhero.

....or supervillian?

I was thinking of changing my name to something sinister like 'Zachariah Darkclaw', or 'Leviticus Hammerstrike', to better suit my aspirations for global domination/destruction.
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« Reply #708 on: 12-08-2006 20:59 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
Well actually, she seemed unsure of what to do. Right up until he mentioned an ex girlfriend (Amy). That's when she showed him the door. When he said he was gonna do for her what he'd done with others, which is a total mood killer.

Always is, Venus, always is .. for women and for men... mentioning the ex(es) and comparing... Terminal mistake, I agree. He was the original Fry again, all right.

I very much liked the way Leela immediately realised Fry++ was what she was waiting for for so long and acted upon it: chopped to pieces the entire Worm-destruction minibots party. I like strong women that know what they want and go for it, risks and all, but also stick to the one and love him to bits or fight him fiercely as appropriate. Amazon Women excepted (although, who knows...)

At that point everything was perfect... until Fry++ got his extra insight. I dunno if Fry++ would've become a villain.. He looked a bit sleazy when he went 'every day is like double-soup Tuesday', as if he recited some well-tested pick-up line...but no. He could've had the pre-seduced Leela (who populated his wet dreams for some time no doubt)on the spot... but he did not.

And thank you for blessing us with your presence Venus, we must have done something right  smile I am still to read the entire fanfic in your thread, but I will, no doubt
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« Reply #709 on: 12-08-2006 21:10 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
With a name like Ovidiu he has little choice but to become some manner of superhero.

....or supervillian?

I was thinking of changing my name to something sinister like 'Zachariah Darkclaw', or 'Leviticus Hammerstrike', to better suit my aspirations for global domination/destruction.

CA, you can still call me Fry_B, or Dr.O. I am in fact a doctor, but not like Zoidberg, I know nothing of the diseases or the eggsac and the claw. I'm working towards the superhero status...And to finish up on the bloody ego stuff and because I have promised CA I will post a picture too, and because the thread is nearing its end, here it goes



Long live the Snoo-Snoo squad and yes that is the cover of the Snoo-Snoo gun in the grass . Who'd you wanna call ? Snoo-Snoo Squad!
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« Reply #710 on: 12-08-2006 21:51 »

Ha, cool shirt.
You look very tough. As does your mode of transport.

This is me looking dazed because I want that 4X4:

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« Reply #711 on: 12-08-2006 22:22 »
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Ha, cool shirt.
You look very tough. As does your mode of transport.

This is me looking dazed because I want that 4X4:

It's way tamer than the Nimbus, it's off road only, and have still a lot of work to do on it (time! time! - I'd need Leela's (mechanical) skills on this one   wink). It handles like a brick truck, but nothing else will survive where we go to kill lantana exercise Brannigan's Love Law, hard and fast   smile

BTW - FENIX, can you post one sitting on a Hummer as DOOP trooper and chasing heroes aka insurgents mutants? Ok, bad joke...

This was not off topic. Snoo-Snoo... romance... Fry & Leela... inflated ego...self analysis?
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« Reply #712 on: 12-09-2006 02:05 »

Oooh nice shirt Fry_B!

Joel: cigars are ewww.
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« Reply #713 on: 12-09-2006 05:17 »

Heh heh, I know. They're my way of keeping people away from me  tongue
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« Reply #714 on: 12-09-2006 19:53 »
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FryB: You were SUPPOSED to think Leela killed him when he screamed...then they flipped expectations on us one more time.      wink

Was that a scream of lust then? Ahhh.. pain mixed with pleasure... Fry can take a lot of pain at times - and he would most likely let Leela give him Death by Snoo-Snoo

Which brings me to a funny question: If you were to choose your mode of death, would it be Death by Snoo-Snoo Making Love?     smile I rather refer not to terminal injuries due to friction or suffocation, but some quicker (and more pleasant) way (e.g. fatal heart attack while climaxing - oh dear...)



(yes I am infatuated with that T-Shirt - heheh)

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« Reply #715 on: 12-09-2006 20:49 »

I'll most likely die by crashing a starship into an asteroid that's approaching Earth, and in so doing save the world I detest so much. Then they'll build statues of me.
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« Reply #716 on: 12-09-2006 20:52 »

and action figures.
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« Reply #717 on: 12-09-2006 20:53 »

Dude! YES!
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« Reply #718 on: 12-09-2006 22:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
    Was that a scream of lust then? Ahhh.. pain mixed with pleasure... Fry can take a lot of pain at times - and he would most likely let Leela give him Death by Snoo-Snoo

Which brings me to a funny question: If you were to choose your mode of death, would it be Death by Snoo-Snoo Making Love?      smile I rather refer not to terminal injuries due to friction or suffocation, but some quicker (and more pleasant) way (e.g. fatal heart attack while climaxing - oh dear...)



(yes I am infatuated with that T-Shirt - heheh)


Thos skeletons sure looked like they were having a good time when they died.
You can tell by their postures.

Twilight is quite possibly the worst popular book ever written.
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« Reply #719 on: 12-09-2006 22:14 »
« Last Edit on: 12-09-2006 22:14 by coldangel_1 »

 
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Originally posted by Decapodian:
 Thos skeletons sure looked like they were having a good time when they died.
You can tell by their postures.


Decapodian, do you really think so?    confused Hey, come to think of it, they do!   eek  I would have totally never have noticed that blatant obvious gag, nor would any other person on the planet I'm sure. Like - wow! You have a good eye. Can't wait to see what you'll pick up on next!  big grin
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