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coldangel

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« Reply #640 on: 12-05-2006 08:28 »

 
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ColdAngel number 1, a question for you. What if you fell in love really badly and you wanted to be with her for the rest of your life (ditch the lonely wolf mask for a while will ya - howw-howww-howwwwww) but your Baaad Luuuv wanted a marriage. Would you break up with her just because of that ? Or would you do it? We are talking here of your greatest love, the one you described in your post, not about a meaningless relationship of sorts.

The question is moot because I don't feel love. The scenario I described earlier was only a hypothetical example, it would never happen in real life - I really have very little interest in other people.
If I happened to fall in love, then I don't know what I would do. I've never loved anyone and I have no idea what it feels like, so I can offer no response to that question. But really, it wouldn't happen.
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« Reply #641 on: 12-05-2006 08:37 »

Awwe mate don't be like that, there must be some mushy gooey center in that rough tough ugly ozzy shell surely? What about your love of complete annihilation? Or wanten destruction? That's gotta count for summit?!

Nobody's hollow, it might not be a strong feeling in some cases but it's there.  Deep down.  Where the innocent scream and fear your unrelenting wrath *chuckles like a maniac*
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« Reply #642 on: 12-05-2006 08:53 »

*shrug*  Not really interested.

But enough about me. There's nothing to discuss there.
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« Reply #643 on: 12-05-2006 08:59 »

Right right, anyway....

Getting back to the topic at hand, in the relationship between Fry and Leela, why do they call each other by their last names? Surely friends (of sorts) would refer to each other as Phil n Tarunga? I mean the rest are called by their first names or titles, and while we're here, does Zoidberg have another name or is it just that and his title, even though he's not really a doctor.
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« Reply #644 on: 12-05-2006 08:59 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
 I think he means polar extremes of an ideal man as the unmotivated, weak, lazy, miserable provider being one extreme vs the highly romantic, loyal, poetic, dedicated man being the other extreme. He didn'y mean that all those traits should be in one ideal man, just the latter. The former is the opposite to the ideal man.

...or did he say Fry spans from one to the other and females can only see the nice extreme ?... one can interpret things... since one is human... So would you like a person that has those traits mixed and only see the nice ones ? Tough question (whether that is possible at all)...

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
 but you have to fight so many other things anyway .. So it's Ok.
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It's not that hard to resist all the things you mentioned. Except possibly getting fat.
Heheheh... priorities, priorities...
 
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And no one can stop getting ugly, it's not usually something you can control.
It was not ugly, it was fat and ugly  smile and meant it more as a joke ... of course there can be fat and beautiful... beauty is in the eye of the beholder..
 
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I have no trouble resisting smokes, alcohol, speed, hookers (LOL) and gambling. They're not even a mild temptation.

Oh... now  I see..I was referring to myself on that one, Cyber.. on suppressing ingrained trends - compared to suppressing compulsive eating, smoking... Therefore the hookers... smile
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« Reply #645 on: 12-05-2006 09:03 »
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Originally posted by ColdAngel_1:
But enough about me. There's nothing to discuss there.

 
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Originally posted by FENIX:
Right right, anyway....

peh, my question bounced right off ColdAngel... DINNNG! and it took me 10 mins at least... plus thinking...I bet Shiny would make another comment here about a fluffy pink heart or something...

 
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Getting back to the topic at hand, in the relationship between Fry and Leela, why do they call each other by their last names?

Well Leela is her first name. As for Fry, I have NO IDEA. Friends and colleagues used to call me by my family name up to a certain age. I do not know. Different culture ??  A seasoned Futurama fan would probably know; I am not.

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« Reply #646 on: 12-05-2006 09:09 »

Turanga is her surname, as it is shared by both her parents. It comes first, with her given name coming second, the same formality as with Japanese names. Perhaps there is some Japanese in her ancestory.

She may refer to him by his surname as a forced show of professional distance to help conceal feelings of intimacy that are felt by her to be taboo. The same practice was employed by Mulder and Scully in The X Files for the same reason - they NEVER referred to each other by their given names.
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« Reply #647 on: 12-05-2006 09:15 »

Ah.... but in the X-files they worked together and like in the forces we use surnames.

But Leela was named at the orphanarium wasn't she? Just left there with a note they couldn't read? And the rest are all called by their first names when working with her, so it would be like Rodriguez instead of Bender.
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« Reply #648 on: 12-05-2006 09:20 »

Fry and Leela work together as well. Plus Leela's a bit uptight and militaristic.

In Leela's Homeworld, she is left on the Orphenarium doorstep with the alien note, as well as a nametag that says 'Hi! I'm: Turanga Leela'. Her parents wanted her true name to be known.
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« Reply #649 on: 12-05-2006 09:24 »

Ah I see, so could you say they have a work relationship (such as the X files) and hence the last names, while the rest are friends and called by their first names?

Still, it really doesn't matter what they call each other though does it? Relationship wise I mean.  And how come there are so few people with nicknames in the year 3000?
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« Reply #650 on: 12-05-2006 09:30 »

Fry is the only one who is called by his surname besides Zoidberg. The Professor is addressed by his title, which he probably prefers.
It's possible the Fry dislikes his given name and prefers others refer to him by his surname (everyone calls him Fry, not just Leela). Phillip's not the coolest name in history.
One of the few times Scully called Mulder by his first name 'Fox', he laughed uncomfortably and corrected her, saying "I even made my parents call me Mulder".

But yes, you're right. What's in a name? A rose by any other name would still be a thorny little bastard.
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« Reply #651 on: 12-05-2006 09:40 »

I think Phillip's a cool name. It suits Fry. It's like a 'boy next door' type of name. I think the episode 'The Luck Of The Fryish' should be called something along the lines of 'Lucky Phil'. Isn't that a well known name that Phillips get called?
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« Reply #652 on: 12-05-2006 09:42 »

It's common as muck in my country.
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« Reply #653 on: 12-05-2006 09:47 »

You're country IS my country. And there is nothing wrong with a common name. Mine is like the most common name ever.
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« Reply #654 on: 12-05-2006 09:54 »

I've never met someone named Cyberphobia before.
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« Reply #655 on: 12-05-2006 10:00 »

Really? I know at least 6 people called Cyberphobia.

My real name is common. Why does nobody call anyone else by their real names on this forum?
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« Reply #656 on: 12-05-2006 10:03 »

Do I know your real name?
Mine is Joel. You may call me Joel if you wish.
Or "your lordship", whichever you prefer.
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« Reply #657 on: 12-05-2006 10:04 »

Haha!

Nah you don't know it. It's Sarah.
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« Reply #658 on: 12-05-2006 10:09 »

Ah. Sarah. It is of Hebrew origin, means 'A princess'. The wife of Abraham and mother of Isaac. It's a strong name.
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« Reply #659 on: 12-05-2006 10:14 »

LOL! Yeah I know! It works well with my Jewishness.

Joel is also of Hebrew origin, means 'God will be willing'.
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« Reply #660 on: 12-05-2006 10:18 »

Which might mean something if I were in any way religious  tongue. However my mother chose it because she was fond of Billy Joel's music back in '84. Heh... so much for deep meaning.

Ooops... we've gone off the rails here a bit. Fry_B will hit us.
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« Reply #661 on: 12-05-2006 10:22 »

Well hit him back!
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« Reply #662 on: 12-05-2006 10:35 »

I hit too hard.
*attempts to get back on-topic*

Call me crazy, but I rather like the idea of an unspoken romance between characters. To me it seems kinda cool, people like Fry and Leela who on the surface appear to be close friends and coworkers and never openly embark on any overt expression of a deeper connection. But that connection is there nonetheless, and seems all the stronger because it thrives without needing to feed on its own expression. It's something that comes to the surface when the chips are down, when they're on the brink of destruction and the truth of all things is revealed.
The hidden love is an exciting kind of love, it's furtive, elusive, and thrilling.
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« Reply #663 on: 12-05-2006 10:42 »
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Originally posted by FENIX:
Getting back to the topic at hand, in the relationship between Fry and Leela, why do they call each other by their last names?

I was going to mention that a while ago. I never went so far into it as to think about it being because of a working relationship, I just looked at it more as one of those 'signs' that must mean something...   flirt
Yep, pretty plain and simple. But it works for me.

 
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The hidden love is an exciting kind of love, it's furtive, elusive, and thrilling.
Of course. How else would television shows draw us all in?
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« Reply #664 on: 12-05-2006 14:43 »

 
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Originally posted by FENIX:
Right right, anyway....

Getting back to the topic at hand, in the relationship between Fry and Leela, why do they call each other by their last names? Surely friends (of sorts) would refer to each other as Phil n Tarunga? I mean the rest are called by their first names or titles, and while we're here, does Zoidberg have another name or is it just that and his title, even though he's not really a doctor.

Only Amy knew that Fry's first name is Phillip(well,atleast before the Problem With Poplers).As coldangel said,Turanga is Leela's surname.And Zoidberg has another name-John.Also sometimes they call the prof. not just The Prof. but Prof. Farnsworth.Not Hubert,but Farnsworth.And Bender is a Bender,why shouldn't they call him Bender?
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« Reply #665 on: 12-05-2006 16:23 »

'Bender Bending Ronriquez'Is Bender's full name, but that's a bit long to be saying all the time.

Turanga is Leela's family name, it's common in some countries to have the family name first; 'Turanga Leela' ... maybe mutants just do it ><
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« Reply #666 on: 12-05-2006 21:15 »

 
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The point of sex is not for lustful enjoyment. It's sharing love, and going on to bigger things; having a family. Sex is not an action to be used lightly.

Wow, no one will ever doubt that a real woman wrote that! LOL. Maybe if you said it is "not JUST for lustful enjoyment" I could agree with you a little. Oops, just had a thought; you might be a minor.  If that is the case belay that comment!

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
I think he means polar extremes of an ideal man as the unmotivated, weak, lazy, miserable provider being one extreme vs the highly romantic, loyal, poetic, dedicated man being the other extreme.

Bingo... Fry's character makes me wonder if the writers were testing the question of whether a man who is on the one hand so pathetically lazy, slovenly  and under-employable but selflessly brave and loyal on the other hand can win the heart of a lady like Leela. And of course it's for my own sake that I hope he does!
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« Reply #667 on: 12-05-2006 23:24 »

Tasty's not a minor. She merely has certain religious beliefs. Those can be respected because she presents them merely as her own, and does not infer that all people should follow in her path.

Re: Fry's dual nature -
The flawed everyman hero type is also explored in The Simpsons with Homer. I've always felt it's to demonstrate the human capacity to rise above our failings and to succeed despite them. It's a nice message, that we are none of us perfect, yet despite those imperfections we are still able to touch greatness.
Homer Simpson represents most of the base and undesirable aspects of the human creature - he's a liar, a thief, a glutton... he's violent and crass, lazy, and selfish. And yet despite all that he always ends up doing the right thing, making selfless sacrifices for family and friends, and standing against injustice (eventually).
Fry is similar in that regard.
A flawed person who consistantly prevails against his or her own flaws is one who has a great deal of inner strength. Like I say, we are none of us perfect; but what defines the greatness of a person is their ability to fight their own nature on occassion... if only for a brief shining moment, and in that moment be a real hero.
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« Reply #668 on: 12-06-2006 01:46 »
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Ooops... we've gone off the rails here a bit. Fry_B will hit us.


No, that's fine... spam it... soon it will run outta pages.. and I'm not making another one... it's a nightmare to 'run'... everyone being disorderly and all that..

Seriously now, it's kinda Ok. The thread is about US. US like you me and the rest, not the States     smile And what's gonna happen to this one, we'll decide in page 19 or 20, before the Undertaker Bot (was that the one?) comes.

As a preview, I believe there's someone wishing to do something in the shippy area, a bit sooner than a thousand summers so I if she decides I will gracefully bow  and vanish in thin air - almost said 'Pffft' - damn it's contagious

Just make sure you relate to Futurama - just for a change..

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Well hit him back!

 
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I hit too hard.

[Rrrrrumble...] Mutiny!! Conspiracy!! ....... er...anyway..


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« Reply #669 on: 12-06-2006 01:51 »

 
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  I was going to mention that a while ago. I never went so far into it as to think about it being because of a working relationship, I just looked at it more as one of those 'signs' that must mean something...    flirt

Any1else, lay off ColdAngel, even I can tell now you're messing with his habit and flicking his switches  smile

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« Reply #670 on: 12-06-2006 02:05 »

 
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Re: Fry's dual nature - ...
... It's a nice message, that we are none of us perfect, yet despite those imperfections we are still able to touch greatness.... And yet despite all that he [Homer] always ends up doing the right thing, making selfless sacrifices for family and friends, and standing against injustice (eventually).
Fry is similar in that regard.

I second that... opinion. You got it. We all are like that, only in different proportions. You forgot to except yourself from that however  smile
In fact I believe Matt stated that Bender is supposed to be more like Homer, but Bender is modelled like a human and since all humans (CA excepted) are a mix of the dark and bright... he's like Homer as well.

Zapp is also like Homer. Heheee... only the proportions are really messed up in favour of cowardness, duplicity (as much as idiocy alows) and so on.

 
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A flawed person who consistantly prevails against his or her own flaws is one who has a great deal of inner strength. Like I say, we are none of us perfect; but what defines the greatness of a person is their ability to fight their own nature on occassion... if only for a brief shining moment, and in that moment be a real hero.

Ta-raaa!! very well said. Only I should add, in real life, a great person may also be a terrible person to live with (and that is exemplified by many geniuses that were also jerks - or not nice - in their everyday life). If that Shining moment (mwhahaha - remember the movie?) is REALLY BRIEF and in the rest he / she is kinda... on the other side, i.e. lazy, slobbish, etc... I can admire respect that man or woman for that Shining moment but I don't have to really like him/her (that includes robotz)

Makes sense? (Meeh...)
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« Reply #671 on: 12-06-2006 02:45 »

 
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You forgot to except yourself from that however

Keep it under your hat, but I'm probably the most flawed person you're ever likely to meet. I'm actually literally EVIL. Sometimes I absolutely hate myself.  tongue

The different characters have different facets of imperfection. Bender you mentioned, his angle is an apparent lack of morals, which he occassionally overcomes when the need arises. Fry's is general stupidity, laziness, weakness, and ineptitude, and he prevails despite and in spite of that.
Homer has the full spectrum. Moments of his heroism shine brighter though - like when he saved Flanders' store, and when he lifted Bart over his head while the Reindeer smacked the living crap out of him. THAT was cool.

 
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in real life, a great person may also be a terrible person to live with (and that is exemplified by many geniuses that were also jerks - or not nice - in their everyday life). If that Shining moment (mwhahaha - remember the movie?) is REALLY BRIEF and in the rest he / she is kinda... on the other side, i.e. lazy, slobbish, etc... I can admire respect that man or woman for that Shining moment but I don't have to really like him/her

Oh yeah. People like that exist to serve a purpose, and sometimes it's almost like humanity as a whole, acting as a super-organism, unknowingly creates them when the pressing need is felt, in order to have them fulfil a necessary function. Churchill's a good example - an incredible man who led a nation to victory against all odds in the face of total obliteration, inspiring the courage to keep going through years of unending carnage. He's an historical figure I admire more than any other, and yet an alcoholic drug-addicted loonie in his private life.
People such as that are like tools. A hammer, or a hacksaw. There to perform a function.
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« Reply #672 on: 12-06-2006 04:04 »

 
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People such as that are like tools. A hammer, or a hacksaw. There to perform a function.

Well... I don't know. Maybe they are consumed by their mission or that brief - but very intense - moment when they Shine (and I'm not sarcastic). (Maybe my judgement is blinded by my own weakness for the great love concept - which, similarly, would shine so bright that it could dwarf other aspects of your life -but also Enhance them, as opposed to the mission_burden concept) So (almost) every other aspect of their lives may be literally subdued by that greatness in one aspect - be it long term or brief. I don't know... since I'm not like that  wink. You exemplified with Churchill - his personal life may have been consumed by his burden - but I am not going there since I am not an expert at all. But the end result is similar to what you said - they appear (note my nuance  smile) to be tools.

Examples from Futurama anyone? Ummm...Fry definitely 'shines' at times, but it's more like doing the right thing, sacrificing himself... heeey - who says this is not real Shining (so ditch the quotes, Sir)? (Let's all say Shine, Shining, Shiny, ... SHINYY !!). Does Fry act as a tool? Well pretty much everyone is a tool in the hands of the Nibblonians and the NebulaGod..

Rant, rant...
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« Reply #673 on: 12-06-2006 05:19 »

I don't really know about love, so I can't comment.

Yeah, Fry is a tool. He was essentially created (or 'shaped') by the Nibblonians to serve a specific function that was required, ie: combating the Brainspawn in the future. Same as how the US military used genetic modification to create me in the early 80s as a weapon in the fight against Communism.
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« Reply #674 on: 12-06-2006 05:31 »

Why is Zoidberg's first name John?
Hes a lobster like alien!
Why is his first name John?
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« Reply #675 on: 12-06-2006 05:40 »
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I don't really know about love, so I can't comment.

... Same as how the US military used genetic modification to create me in the early 80s as a weapon in the fight against Communism.

Yes, Communism only, since Sadd*m was then their dear friend (he was milking both them and the Russians, smart guy.. but about that.. on some other channel). And... of course, like every other artefact the military created or endeavour they have embarked on,... you backfried backfired and became immortal.

About the hidden love: I like the concept. BUT... in real life, sometimes you have to be bold because (for example) you need reassurance that the other loves you.  And also to reassure yourself of your love for the other. So you have to reveal it - like a whale (Mushu) that needs to come to the surface every now & then and take a deep breath... of fresh air.

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Actually I wanted to say that hidden as it may be, the love between Fry & Leela (cause there is one!!) needs to surface every now and then...for that reassurance stuff..

Time is the toughest test of all things. Love is no exception. Because I say so.
Talk about being bold - heeey - that came out really smart    wink
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« Reply #676 on: 12-06-2006 05:43 »
« Last Edit on: 12-06-2006 05:43 by coldangel_1 »

Well I wouldn't really know about it. I just know what I like to see on television.


*I think Zoidberg's name being John is a gag, in deliberate contrast to his obvious alien-ness, and the unusual surname. Perhaps it's an alien name that, by an astronomical coincidence, sounds exactly the same as a human name, or perhaps he had his name changed in an unsuccessful attempt to fit in...
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« Reply #677 on: 12-06-2006 05:44 »

 
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Why is Zoidberg's first name John?
Hes a lobster like alien!
Why is his first name John?

[Sigh] Don't know - may have been a joke. Even if it's true, it's outside the topic anyway..
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« Reply #678 on: 12-06-2006 22:00 »

This thread is constantly changing topics in case anyone hasnt noticed
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« Reply #679 on: 12-06-2006 22:02 »

Yeah, I've gotta agree with that. But it's good that way, as long as we bring it back to Leela and Fry every so often.
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