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Shiny

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« Reply #560 on: 12-01-2006 08:43 »
« Last Edit on: 12-02-2006 00:00 »

   
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
You see, I believe (whoa, tread carefully, F_B) women, regardless of how independent and powerful, (consciously or not) still like to lean on a man every now and then, and to be - at times - even dominated by a man. It's the way men and women are built. And the way society teaches us men and women should behave. And why not?

FryB, FryB, FryB.  You know, one could just as easily say that men have a deep unconscious desire to lean on women and at times be dominated by one (guys certainly like to be mothered by women, and the career of dominatrix isn't going away any time soon).

Why not just say that human beings have a deep desire to lean on other human beings at times?  Why bring gender stereotypes into it?  Our culture is so f**ked up and lopsided that it's nearly impossible to tell what's "natural" and what's pathologically ingrained.  So let's do each other the courtesy of assuming that everyone wants to be taken care of sometimes, and NOT assume either gender is a an overgrown child looking for a powerful parent. 

As for "Domination" and "Submission," if you're talking about erotic play, then sure - women can get into being "dominated" by men.  But the reciprocal is ALSO true (again, dominatrixes are not going broke).  Considering them as anything more than temporary costumes we can put on - considering them as the "proper" model for a gender (or a "race," or a tribe, or a nation) to follow all the time - is essentially advocating slavery as a moral system, and I don't think there's evidence anywhere in history that any group of human beings has ever ENJOYED being slaves.

And Leela is SO not the "fight a bit then melt" type. She's the "slug him out cold and walk away" type.  She seems drawn to Fry when he's sacrificing himself or being tender and sincere, NOT when he's being a macho jerk (which fortunately is seldom).

And you've made me late for work again.    mad  Man, I'm such a loser....    roll eyes
coldangel

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« Reply #561 on: 12-01-2006 22:01 »

Heh.... see Fry_B, I told you.   tongue
Sometimes it's wiser to just not bother entering certain areas of discussion with women.
Cyberphobia

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« Reply #562 on: 12-01-2006 22:36 »

You can't possibly expect us to just sit back when you make your sexist remarks?
coldangel

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« Reply #563 on: 12-01-2006 23:06 »

Of course not.
Though I'm amused by the assertion that indicating any difference between men and women is somehow sexist. I'd have thought the differences were obvious, and something beautiful to be celebrated... but I'm just a man, and by extension a complete idiot.
Fry_B

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« Reply #564 on: 12-02-2006 04:24 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Of course not.
Though I'm amused by the assertion that indicating any difference between men and women is somehow sexist. I'd have thought the differences were obvious, and something beautiful to be celebrated... but I'm just a man, and by extension a complete idiot.

Well.. I wrote three bloody (note to not-AU readers, they are not really dripping blood) posts in a row... did you really expect not to err in any of them?  I am a male for ***'s sake . HEY - what is with this male self-deprecation anyway?? CA, 'by extension' - what extension - Bender's, when he was miserable in TKOS? Well Fry was a lot more miserable then - for reasons unknown to him he'd been through Heaven and Hell and now he was divorced...[/i]

...CA, pass me the Band-Aid...Ok. No, OUCH! - that one needs surgery...must've been from Shiny, it looks harmless but runs deep and it will go septic (such as when she goes 'Pffft!' - hell that hurts..deep inside..please don't tell Shiny.. or I'll bloody kill'ya!)

CA, the gender differences ARE to be celebrated. Remember your post on chivalry that thrilled aLL the ladies around? That was exactly about that. And may I say you display some interesting knowledge on female character  - may I merge my programming with yours for a while  smile are you Olde Fortran 77 or rather GWBasic ?
Fry_B

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« Reply #565 on: 12-02-2006 04:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
You can't possibly expect us to just sit back when you make your sexist remarks?

Cyber.. easy. I meant no offence. Really. See the other meaning, on systemic differences? Put the spanner down. Please  smile Sometimes I may be a bit provocative. It's to debate - it's why I created this thread. I think men are from Mars, women are from Venus (except Amy)... but that's as far as it goes. Cool ? Spanners back to toolrack?
Fry_B

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« Reply #566 on: 12-02-2006 06:29 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
  FryB, FryB, FryB.

That's me. Sounds like it's bad this time.
 
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You know, one could just as easily say that men have a deep unconscious desire to lean on women and at times be dominated by one (guys certainly like to be mothered by women, and the career of dominatrix isn't going away any time soon).

Why, of course. I do that too. Being a Man however, I did not realise I was talking about women rather than humans. You know, I actually realised that fact reading any1else's post about shagging your grandparent to preserve your own self. Indeed, from a female point of view, it is a lot more complex... well that was not clear to me right away.

 
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  Why bring gender stereotypes into it?  Our culture is so f**ked up and lopsided that it's nearly impossible to tell what's "natural" and what's pathologically ingrained.  So let's do each other the courtesy of assuming that everyone wants to be taken care of sometimes, and NOT assume either gender is a an overgrown child looking for a powerful parent. 

I agree to the first part, no reserves (everyone needs taking care of) Ummm...on the second - I believe it is the wrong view. I just believe females are different to males and more often look for protection (not necessarily 'domination', maybe I scr*wed up the meaning a bit) and security from a male. Not all, not always. Hmm..  I would ask you or other female PEELers if you/ they never wished for / imagined that - it's more a rhetorical question meant for self-analysis, I do not really want to know the answer... Not being dominated, but being secure and protected and why not,served by a male.

 
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As for "Domination" and "Submission," if you're talking about erotic play, then sure - women can get into being "dominated" by men.  But the reciprocal is ALSO true (again, dominatrixes are not going broke). 

Talking statistics here ? I sure did, and yes I meant it mostly as a Game. The Game of Life.
 
 
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Considering them as anything more than temporary costumes we can put on - considering them as the "proper" model for a gender (or a "race," or a tribe, or a nation) to follow all the time - is essentially advocating slavery as a moral system, and I don't think there's evidence anywhere in history that any group of human beings has ever ENJOYED being slaves.

Wow - wow... geez. I thought you knew me better than that, Shiny. What bloody slavery ? It IS a GAME - erotic, of love, of LIFE. It is in the sense of courtship . Please do not make assumptions and then spend time and emotions (although I am flattered by your expenditures.. ) demonstrating them... NO to slavery and to the Confederates (I may get myself in more trouble here so I'll shut up on this one  smile)

 
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And Leela is SO not the "fight a bit then melt" type. She's the "slug him out cold and walk away" type.  She seems drawn to Fry when he's sacrificing himself or being tender and sincere, NOT when he's being a macho jerk (which fortunately is seldom).

[Sigh] Advising Fry to Just Kiss Her (at the risk of being kicked through the wall, although he was supposed to shape up first, remember) was not to tell him to be a 'macho jerk'. It was supposed to be preceeded by shaping up, expressing his love properly and acting more to protect Leela when real jerks (e.g. Zapp) were bothering her. And I'm sorry but you do NOT know what she will say if that happens in the future. Ok she may slap him or kick him but she may also feel bad afterwards and kiss him back. Badly  smile

 
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And you've made me late for work again.   mad  Man, I'm such a loser....   roll eyes

Well - get up earlier... No, this one's serious. What we do here is a game - more or less. You lacking sleep and having an accident or losing your job is not a game. But... then again, what is life without games? And is life not a game itself (or rather a dream)?

Shiny - can't you post after work?

coldangel

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« Reply #567 on: 12-02-2006 08:03 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
  what is with this male self-deprecation anyway??

I was being sarcastic. My bitter little comentary on the way women tend to dismiss anything a man has to say as being idiotic.

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
And may I say you display some interesting knowledge on female character

You reckon? That in itself is rather interesting, because my experience is somewhat limited...

Shiny

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« Reply #568 on: 12-02-2006 09:24 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Of course not.
Though I'm amused by the assertion that indicating any difference between men and women is somehow sexist. I'd have thought the differences were obvious, and something beautiful to be celebrated....

Sure they are - but which differences (aside from the obvious physical ones) are “natural,” and which are ingrained by culture?  Not even the behavioral experts can answer those questions, they’re too influenced by cultural prejudice. And quite frankly, I don’t trust the opinions of a culture that didn’t think I was capable of being educated or of voting only a century ago or so.

 
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... but I'm just a man, and by extension a complete idiot.

Oh, stop.  You’re breaking my heart.  roll eyes Gee, you almost make me forget that if we worked exactly the same job at the same skill, I’d make about 74% what you do, get promoted half as often (and to lower postions), be 50% as likely to make it to a line position (in a profit-making section) as opposed to a staff position (support section), and be something like 20% as likely to make it to the top exectutive level.  If we were academics, I’d get 60-80% of the grant money you did, and be half as likely to ever get tenure, even if my ideas were just as good and and just as solidly supported.

“Complete idiots” are doing pretty good these days, it seems.

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Fry_B:
...CA, pass me the Band-Aid...Ok. No, OUCH! - that one needs surgery...must've been from Shiny, it looks harmless but runs deep and it will go septic (such as when she goes 'Pffft!' - hell that hurts..deep inside..please don't tell Shiny.. or I'll bloody kill'ya!)

Um. I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic here, but if you weren’t, I apologize for going ‘Pffft!’ to you on a subject you clearly care a lot about.  I never meant to imply that you were overestimating the pain a person suffers, only that you were underestimating the human ability to survive it, and learn to thrive again afterwards.

 
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(me):
 You know, one could just as easily say that men have a deep unconscious desire to lean on women and at times be dominated by one (guys certainly like to be mothered by women, and the career of dominatrix isn't going away any time soon).

 
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Fry_B: Why, of course. I do that too. Being a Man however, I did not realise I was talking about women rather than humans.

Then why did you specify “women” and NOT just say “humans?”  Why didn’t you mention the faintest possibility that the pattern could go either way?  Why did you use such an emotionally charged term as “domination?”  C’mon, FryB, you did it to rile us up a bit - to “be provocative to spark debate.”  Well, you were successful.  Why are you so surprised that we were, in fact, provoked? 

I’m sorry if we seem to be oversensitive to this issue, but YOU didn’t grow up having people, books, and assorted authorities telling you (many times without words) that your “natural place” was as a helper and unpaid servant, to meant to help someone ELSE achieve goals, be successful, and find happiness...that your noblest role was as a “loyal” (in this case, meaning “subservient” ) companion, subsuming all your desires to his, playing down your intelligence and blunting your aggression while praising and tolerating his, of course.  Sure, most of us (here) thought it was bullshit and said so, but the constant repetition of the ideas leaves an impression in your mind, like the foot-deep wheel ruts of ancient roads. You try hearing all your life that you exist to serve someone else’s wishes, and aren’t “right” if you don’t enjoy that thought...you see a man at work bristle with outrage and stomp off because you fixed a broken latch that had stumped him, and then have him treat you with icy, barely-concealed resentment for the next three weeks...you hear an educated woman of the twenty-first century laughingly admit that she lets her son get away with a lot more “acting up” than her daughter because after all, boys are “just like that”...and you’ll lose patience with the whole “naturally dominant/submissive” thing REAL fast.

On the slavery issue: I never meant that I thought you were advocating the recent model of economic slavery, I was speaking more of the philosophical idea that being "dominated" is the natural position for some..and I never thought you WERE advocating such a thing, I was just pointing out that such premises could lead to such conclusions if carried to their extreme.

 
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And you've made me late for work again.    mad  Man, I'm such a loser....    roll eyes

[snip very logical advice]

 
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Shiny - can't you post after work?

See above statement, specifically the “I’m a loser” part.  wink (My “mad smiley” wasn’t seriously meant, that’s why I said that and rolled eyes at myself...sorry for the misunderstanding. <sheepish grin> )
Shiny

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« Reply #569 on: 12-02-2006 09:31 »
« Last Edit on: 12-02-2006 09:31 »

This may be a double post, but I can't see the message I just posted....here goes...

**bleep!**

...And it WAS a double post.  Sorry, all.
Shiny

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« Reply #570 on: 12-02-2006 09:37 »

Ah, heck.  I can't see any posts by me, even after logging out and back in, even though the "latest post" seems to have my name on it...still FryB is the last post I see on the page.  I gotta go, don't know what's wrong with the thread (did I break it through excess ranting?)  Gotta go do errands...sorry for TRIPLE posting, if I have done...I'll delete things when I get back. 
coldangel

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« Reply #571 on: 12-02-2006 10:15 »

 
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Gee, you almost make me forget that if we worked exactly the same job at the same skill, I’d make about 74% what you do, get promoted half as often (and to lower postions), be 50% as likely to make it to a line position (in a profit-making section) as opposed to a staff position (support section), and be something like 20% as likely to make it to the top exectutive level. If we were academics, I’d get 60-80% of the grant money you did, and be half as likely to ever get tenure, even if my ideas were just as good and and just as solidly supported.

Yet oddly ALL of my superiors, the head honchos I repeately have to grovel to in order to keep my job, are women. And every executive-type person in other companies that I need to deal with are also women.
I wonder what country those statisticians are living in... and what decade. More importantly, I wonder what GENDER they are.
Shiny

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« Reply #572 on: 12-02-2006 11:03 »
« Last Edit on: 12-02-2006 11:03 »

Upper level execs, or middle management?  'Cause women are more prevalent in the latter...also, don't you work in a human-services type capacity?  I think that affects the ratios, too, but I haven't slept all night and now I have to...and I guess I pulled US stats, but I believe I kept to post-2000 figures.

Sleep now.  Reference sources later....  sleep
coldangel

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« Reply #573 on: 12-02-2006 11:15 »

Pfft. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.
Fry_B

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« Reply #574 on: 12-02-2006 20:15 »
« Last Edit on: 12-02-2006 20:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:

And you've made me late for work again.  Man, I'm such a loser.... 
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Shiny - can't you post after work?

(Shiny)
 See above statement, specifically the “I’m a loser” part.    wink (My “mad smiley” wasn’t seriously meant, that’s why I said that and rolled eyes at myself...sorry for the misunderstanding. <sheepish grin> )

Ok first of all this - I am lost. I aksed if you cant post after work for safety and comfort reasons - so you're not late/ stressed and you pointing back to the prev answer confuses and infuriates me   smile Maybe that means you work in shifts, more specifically double shifts - maybe in mining   hmpf. Ok, I'm an idiot, I did not get the hint or pointer. But at least I'm aksing for help   smile 
(or if it's a secret, then Ok, or use the Crew Secrets channel - BTW have U checked that lately - hmm)

[EDIT] Shiny, re not seeing posts - maybe you need to clear the bloody cache on the browser - you know how to do that ? (Google for it). Also when I do a large post now I always copy the contents in Notepad - several times I hit the wrong button and my post was gone - and they were such pearls - not in the Zoidberg-vomit way...

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« Reply #575 on: 12-03-2006 03:12 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
 Cyber.. easy. I meant no offence. Really. See the other meaning, on systemic differences? Put the spanner down. Please   smile Sometimes I may be a bit provocative. It's to debate - it's why I created this thread. I think men are from Mars, women are from Venus (except Amy)... but that's as far as it goes. Cool ? Spanners back to toolrack?

I didn't take offence. I'm not even remotely angry.
coldangel

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« Reply #576 on: 12-03-2006 03:30 »

Good. Now get in the kitchen and make us some food.
 tongue
Shiny

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« Reply #577 on: 12-03-2006 04:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
  Ok first of all this - I am lost. I aksed if you cant post after work for safety and comfort reasons - so you're not late/ stressed and you pointing back to the prev answer confuses and infuriates me    smile Maybe that means you work in shifts, more specifically double shifts - maybe in mining    hmpf. Ok, I'm an idiot, I did not get the hint or pointer. But at least I'm aksing for help    smile

No, none of the above.  wink What I meant was - I'm compulsive about posting, when I think of a reply to post I want to post it NOW, not nine hours later; I'd be eaten up with anxiety all day at work, knowing that I had "something unfinished" that I couldn't get back to (besides, someone else may reply and take the discussion in a new direction to where my long-awaited post looks foolish.  (I'm okay if someone posts my point FOR me, then I'm like "Woo-hoo!  Independent corroboration!" ) but usually it's just that "the momentum" will be lost (either mine or the thread's) and I HATE that.  So I think I'll just post something real brief but condensing an answer actually takes about as long, or longer, as rambling on about it.  So before I know it I've used up my "safety margin" of time but the dang post STILL isn't right and I just have to edit those one or two bits that aren't saying what I think I was trying to say when I wrote them and then I can't find a matching pair of socks and then my dog reminds me that I haven't let her out into the back yard yet this morning and then...

The solution would, of course, be not to READ the board in the mornings, but (again) I can't seem to resist.  wink

It's totally not your fault that I'm a spaz who can't seem to prevent her own fingers from clicking the "Reply" button.  (Although, if you were very very VERY kind, you might possibly refrain from your more "provocative"  discussion starters until Saturday mornings when I can compulsively post as much as I please (and often do)  wink ).
 
 
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(or if it's a secret, then Ok, or use the Crew Secrets channel - BTW have U checked that lately - hmm)

Crew Secrets, huh?  I never knew there WAS such a thing.

[EDIT] Shiny, re not seeing posts - maybe you need to clear the bloody cache on the browser - you know how to do that ? (Google for it). Also when I do a large post now I always copy the contents in Notepad - several times I hit the wrong button and my post was gone - and they were such pearls - not in the Zoidberg-vomit way...
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I know how to clear my cache, but an hour later it did everything normally (and I hadn't cleared anything yet) so it was just a glitch or something I guess...

And now I must go sleep because I only got about four hours last night, or this morning actually, not because of anything on PEEL but because I was dumb enough to start reading a web comic last night (MAN you think I'd learn better by now) and then get up at noon to drive my roommate somewhere and then I drank caffeine and actually accomplished some stuff when I got home but now the sleep lag is catching up to me.

But thank you for asking.  smile
Fry_B

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« Reply #578 on: 12-03-2006 06:02 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2006 06:02 »

   
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Good. Now get in the kitchen and make us some food.
     tongue

You, you, you.... wanna die poisoned...

CA - you're amazing quite active (and have lots of time too, good on you) - I read your fanfics and saw your pics, you're all over the place, man, here, in TLZ,... I feel ashamed I only post in two maybe three threads... but better than none I guess     hmpf


[EDIT] Is that better, TLF ? And BTW how's that Fry_&_Leela_crammed fanfic going ? Did you consider CA's suggestion as to what if one of them had to drop a big one in the elevator (kidding, do not use that bat, I have lots of scars already)?

Heey - I just thought of a good sig for me Sincerely, your Bending Unit: Get Bent!
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #579 on: 12-03-2006 06:10 »

Shh, he doesn't need you to add to his ego and sense of power  tongue
Fry_B

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« Reply #580 on: 12-03-2006 06:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
 I didn't take offence. I'm not even remotely angry.


Yes I know, I exaggerated a bit, created a bit of a mental image... Some Futurama fans write fanfics, some are less talented and try their hand in the threads.. a weak surrogate I guess.

But, Cyber, tell me please: is Leela a positive role model for you ? In all regards, most regards?, one aspect only ? And  is she a negative role model in all, most or one regard at least?

In fact, I would ask all other female PEEL members that may read this thread or whizz through to Please consider my question(s). Many thanks  smile

I really believe some of these questions could be Polls, but I don't dare do it. You are welcome to.

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« Reply #581 on: 12-03-2006 06:23 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2006 06:23 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Crew Secrets, huh? I never knew there WAS such a thing.

Badly disguised pointer, combined with lame inexistent humour. Hint-hint. (Shiny to herself: whatta hell does he mean now?? Ohh....umm... nope, don't get it.)

 
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But thank you for asking.    smile

Will get back to you very soon, I'm out of time now   frown

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« Reply #582 on: 12-03-2006 07:39 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Good. Now get in the kitchen and make us some food.
  tongue

Now I'm angry. Well I would be if I didn't know you were joking.

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
But, Cyber, tell me please: is Leela a positive role model for you ? In all regards, most regards?, one aspect only ? And is she a negative role model in all, most or one regard at least?
A positive role model in regards to her being a boss (captain) of males (I'm not trying to imply that females are better than males but rather that it is less common to see female bosses as the norm is for the males to be the boss). So she promotes equality between the genders.

She's a positive role model in terms of making something of her life when she had a hard upbringing.

Also a positive role model from what a strong character she is. She's tough. Not just physically but is usually an emotionally strong person.

And also, her intelligence is quite high which makes her a positive role model for anyone really.

I see her as a negative role model in terms of her willingness to be so blinded by whatever (importance, pity etc.) to make stupid decisions (ie. sleeping with Zapp, willingness to sleep with Chaz).

Also, sex on a first date... I feel that's a bit ermm... she seems to take sex too lightly. I always thought of it as something shared between two people who love each other but she thinks of it more as any slightly decent guy (other than Fry) (and some not so decent guys) who likes her.
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« Reply #583 on: 12-03-2006 07:41 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
    CA - you're amazing quite active (and have lots of time too, good on you) - I read your fanfics and saw your pics, you're all over the place, man, here, in TLZ,... I feel ashamed I only post in two maybe three threads... but better than none I guess
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I had to take 3 months off work due to having lost my driver's licence. I signed up here at the begining of that period, which will end early in January. You won't see anywhere near as much of me after that when I go back to full-time shiftwork, but for now I have faaaarrrr too much time on my hands. Time to plot... time to plan...
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« Reply #584 on: 12-03-2006 07:45 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
Also, sex on a first date... I feel that's a bit ermm... she seems to take sex too lightly. I always thought of it as something shared between two people who love each other but she thinks of it more as any slightly decent guy (other than Fry) (and some not so decent guys) who likes her.


People in the future have evidently embraced the increasing present-day trend of abandoning pointless hang-ups and stupid inhibitions and instead go for what they want, rather than what they think they SHOULD have.
Either that or women have finally given up stringing men along for their sadistic amusement... although that's what Leela does to Fry, so I'll go with the first hypothesis.
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« Reply #585 on: 12-03-2006 08:05 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
 
People in the future have evidently embraced the increasing present-day trend of abandoning pointless hang-ups and stupid inhibitions and instead go for what they want, rather than what they think they SHOULD have.
Either that or women have finally given up stringing men along for their sadistic amusement... although that's what Leela does to Fry, so I'll go with the first hypothesis.


I choose not to have sex on a first date (or before marriage ever) because I don't want to have sex until then, not because I feel that I need to do what society thinks is right. I don't WANT to have sex with anyone other than one I am married to because I don't feel comfortable with giving that part of myself to just anyone. So I don't agree with your first theory.

And women so do not string men along for their own sadistic amusement! So i disagree with your second theory also.
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« Reply #586 on: 12-03-2006 08:08 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2006 08:08 by coldangel_1 »

Riiiiight.  roll eyes
Each to their own.
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« Reply #587 on: 12-03-2006 08:32 »

I think all women do different things, just as men do...
coldangel

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« Reply #588 on: 12-03-2006 08:37 »

Don't lump me into the 'different things' category. I'm an individual.

...wait... huh?
any1else

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« Reply #589 on: 12-03-2006 08:48 »

"I'm an individual, just like everybody else."

Humans - They're all the same because they think they're so different.
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« Reply #590 on: 12-03-2006 08:49 »

I'm glad I'm not human then.
Shiny

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« Reply #591 on: 12-03-2006 09:53 »

Coldangel, I now have a mental picture of you as a young Nibblonian.  Being smaller and even cuter than his older fellows, he tries EVEN harder to be imposing, dreadful and feared...but that just make his arching, hissing and spitting even cuter.  Besides, his big, pellucid eyes and his occasional artless sincerity often give away the fact that his heart is as big as the cosmos and sweet as the best real-vanilla custard (almost unbearably sweet, but too rich, complex, and many-layered to be cloying).

To which I can only say (in high, pitched, lilting tones)...

"Awwww!  Isn't he the most adorable wittle guy!"

coldangel

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« Reply #592 on: 12-03-2006 10:07 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2006 10:07 by coldangel_1 »

Yes.... thank you. Never in my life have I been so insulted.
Have you seen me?     tongue


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Nibblonian my arse!
I'll vanilla custard YOU!!      laff
any1else

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« Reply #593 on: 12-03-2006 10:13 »

Well, with the white-ness I'd have said more like vanilla ice-cream.

  laff
coldangel

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« Reply #594 on: 12-03-2006 10:13 »

I'm so ashamed... I just wish everyone else was dead...
Shiny

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« Reply #595 on: 12-03-2006 10:16 »

Fry_B: I might have gotten that one if I hadn't been sleep-deprived. 

(Yeah...yeah...that's the ticket... )

And I see Leela as too complex to be a good role model.  She's altogether one of the most real females in TV or cinema science fiction...and perhaps the only really complex and tough woman in sf who wasn't (like Ripley, or new-BSG's Starbuck) originally conceived as a male character.  Her flaws are too big for her to be a "role model," but her virtues are so great that she is undeniably a true hero, and the fact that she has such great weaknesses makes me admire her virtues even more.  I LOVE Leela thoroughly, deeply, and alternate between just wanting to slap her and shake some sense into her, wanting hug her and take care of her, and wanting to follow her into Hell with nothing but a rusty Swiss pocket knife and an Impossible Dream. 

(Which is very nearly how I feel about Fry as well (only I wouldn't follow Fry literally, but I WOULD follow his lead morally), and I guess is the reason I want them to get together so they can hug and take care of each other, shake sense into and inspire each other to greatness FOR me. <big eyed melty-love grin with a just a sparkle of incipient tears> ) 

(Also have really adorable, sweet, funny, but REALLY hot crazed-weasle sex. )

 wink
coldangel

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« Reply #596 on: 12-03-2006 10:27 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2006 10:27 by coldangel_1 »

weasel sex...?

People with tremendous flaws can sometimes be the greatest role models because they can show us how it's possible to rise above our flaws.
We are all flawed, so shining beacons of perfection as characters aren't really as relevant or engaging as a flawed everyman (or everyWOMAN, as the case may be).
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« Reply #597 on: 12-03-2006 10:44 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2006 10:44 »

Yes, but Leela hasn't quite risen enough over her flaws to reach "role model" level (yet).

As a contrast, Buffy Summers has (has from the beginning, actually).  (I have a wonderful little book here somewhere called What Would Buffy Do? that explores that very point. )


Re: weasel sex....check out Matt Groening's Life in Hell books sometime...highly worthy and high-larious.
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« Reply #598 on: 12-03-2006 12:15 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2006 12:15 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Yes.... thank you. Never in my life have I been so insulted.

Oh, yes ya have.   wink


 
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Have you seen me?       tongue

[SNIP photos of coldangel's dashing-but-tough, 21st-Century-J.D. look]

Nibblonian my arse!
I'll vanilla custard YOU!!        laff

Fear not, I never doubted that you LOOKED the part of the hard-as-nails young thug you try hard to project. 

Perhaps I should have specified that it's a metaphorical image I have of you.  You see, just like the Nibblonians, you're really cute and cuddly at heart, but you try to deny it by acting fierce and scary. 

And like I've said before...just pin a lace-edge, plushy rose-velvet heart to your leather sleeve, my friend, 'cause you're not fooling ANYone who's seen your sweeter, shippier, big-hearted posts here.   tongue
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« Reply #599 on: 12-03-2006 16:41 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2006 16:41 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:

[Pics of CA]

Nibblonian my arse!
I'll vanilla custard YOU!!        laff


Kute. How can I top that ? I know! I'll go get my (fly)gun, muscle tanktop,(insert rest of menacing / imposing-looking gear here), climb on ye ole Landcruiser & do myself a picture. I'll do it!..Um... soon...

Lost yer licence eh? I know how it feels, I took the easy way out and was on 1 point & good behaviour for 6 mts...Now I've changed, man. Yeah... that is, I go just as fast but I really look out for cops and speed cameras. Mwhhahahaaa... and have all points - they'll never get me again. PS: all that applied to a bike rather than car.. it's even more fun!
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