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« Reply #480 on: 11-25-2006 20:02 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Me? Use people? Never.
I haven't even been close to having a girlfriend in a very very long time. This may have something to do with the fact that I only ever leave my house to go to work or buy food.
Nevertheless, I'm not really that fussed. There's a lot of effort involved in making a relationship and I'm not confident that I really have any idea how to go about it anymore, or that I could really be bothered. Relationships are to me what juggling chainsaws is to normal people - something not to be attempted - best left to those who are stupid enough to have actually learned how. I have no interest in it.
I'm fortunate, however, to be someone who doesn't really get the feeling of lonliness at all, despite being completely alone. I'm comfortable with it and I've accepted the inevitability of that outcome in my life.

Whoa!  Welcome to my world!!!  Seriously, I'm like you without the artistic talent.

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« Reply #481 on: 11-25-2006 21:25 »

My condolences.
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« Reply #482 on: 11-25-2006 22:56 »
« Last Edit on: 11-25-2006 22:56 »

@ Shiny: I don't care, it's still cheating. If he really wanted to be with me, he would not be with someone who is also 'good in a different way'. If he wants to be with her, he can break up with me first, and then I would not be betrayed.  Anyway, the food metaphor doesn't work for me. I'm a vegetarian.

My bf is also hypothetical by the way.
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« Reply #483 on: 11-26-2006 06:59 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
 Why am I being painted as some kind of... what? Sex maniac?
I haven't had sex in six years.

Sorry CA, it was in view of an old post of yours asking for a Leela inflatable and the unbelievable things you would do to her  smile But even so, of course you don't have to be sex maniac for that - just higly interested in sex, - whatsa big deal... So yeah, lighten up...sometimes I am not that funny (most of the time).
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« Reply #484 on: 11-26-2006 07:03 »

Most everything of that nature that comes out of my mouth is intended as an outrageous joke. The kind of people who actually make use of things like sex dolls aren't really of any use to human society and should be culled.
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« Reply #485 on: 11-26-2006 07:47 »

Re that question I aksed everyone: Ok - It is a difficult one... because you see, I aksed you but I have not answered.
Like for other questions, I again suspect that the answer depends first of all on your age and of course on how strong the relationship is. Two variables already , phew... Weak relationship / very young age - I don't care; Strong Relation ship / very young age - I'll kill myself, this is the end of the world... to mature age / strong relationship - I can forgive it, it was just a fling, he/she got blinded - although one/several re-occurences would probably be too much to bear.

Anyway, generalising here is like building another Maslow's pyramid  - i.e. dangerous - and I was already hit over the head by Cyber with that spanner, so I should be careful  smile

Re the stages of fondling, nipple squeezing, doing it on the rock: Whoa, a chorus of 'you're wrong!'. 1) Alright, I confess, I wanted to be a bit provocative (stir the women in you a bit) - which appears to have been successful- but 2) the rolled up shirt was so not because of rubbing on the rock or whatever - come on, let's face it, they were getting ready for it. Yes they could've stopped later, Leela may have said ' Wait, this is wrong', blah-blah... but it didn't look that way (yet?)

ColdAngel, yes this was before the Sting, however I mentioned that this was after Parasites and importantly after Love & Rocket. Therefore, I had hoped that Leela knew deep down that Fry meant something special to her, something love-like; We can speculate of course that this feeling may have kicked in later on to stop an imminent sex-on-the-rock phase.

Sooo..where was I - what would I do? Well, if we were together for quite a while, or married... I would forgive it... once, but probably could not help myself mentioning it in the future - which is not chivalrous (is that the term?) or gentleman-ish, but ... that's how it is.
Oh and BTW: it would really affect the rest of my (love) life if I stayed with that someone. That is not terminal though; poison in small doses has been successfully used to build immunity... but is the process pleasant? and do you really want to become immune to being cheated on?

And Fry should really have said something and Leela could have responded with some one-liner; the writers could have resolved the scene quickly and spare some of the fans some grief..

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« Reply #486 on: 11-26-2006 07:55 »

Grief?
....wow.
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« Reply #487 on: 11-26-2006 07:55 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Most everything of that nature that comes out of my mouth is intended as an outrageous joke. The kind of people who actually make use of things like sex dolls aren't really of any use to human society and should be culled.

[PEELadies, plug your ears]

I believe people in the Army use these sometimes - although it was not in the Army I served in and probably I did not serve long and hard enough to get to that (or maybe it was rather the availability of live material -  flirt ). But the culling view is again extreme. Let people do what they want, CA! If they want to use a doll until it smokes and pops, what's the big deal? Fry did it with the Radiator (Woman). At least they will not go blind  smile

[PEELadies,unplug ears]


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« Reply #488 on: 11-26-2006 07:57 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Grief?
....wow.

Maybe Cyberphobia can explain...that one.
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« Reply #489 on: 11-26-2006 08:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
 [PEELadies, plug your ears]

I believe people in the Army use these sometimes - although it was not in the Army I served in and probably I did not serve long and hard enough to get to that (or maybe it was rather the availability of live material -   flirt ). But the culling view is again extreme. Let people do what they want, CA! If they want to use a doll until it smokes and pops, what's the big deal? Fry did it with the Radiator (Woman). At least they will not go blind   smile

[PEELadies,unplug ears]


People who cannot control their beastial urges are weak and useless. Weakness and uselessness should be weeded out.
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« Reply #490 on: 11-26-2006 08:57 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
 Maybe Cyberphobia can explain...that one.

I have a lot of grief over that scene. It might be terminal.
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« Reply #491 on: 11-26-2006 09:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:

... there IS a cultural tendency to judge women more harshly in matters of sexual behavior (Leela snogged Shatner, but Fry DID IT WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER) and I feel compelled to point that out when it happens.

Yes no denying on the cultural tendency. I was raised like that and although I fight it and can see it's (mostly) wrong, I can feel it flowing through my veins. Probably, I even agree with it subconsciously. BTW I have seen an interesting justification of why women should have less sex (with different partners, that is) - in a medical book. It simply said that by their nature (the way they are built), women tend to get a powerful urge to get involved emotionally with their sex partners, consciously or not. Therefore frequent change of sex partners affects them emotionally (and not only) and gradually turns them into... there are many terms for it. It may sound stupid but I somehow believe that this 'explanation' in fact compliments women...for not being mating automatons... (like Shiny described them  tongue )

As to FRY DID IT WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER: I am sorry Shiny, that does not stand for an argument. Fry was an idiot to kill his grandfather, although it may have happened to any of us - you have to admit this if you have seen Roswell. However after he did that, there was no alternative for him to remain Fry as we know him (or mostly) BUT to shag his Grandma. Most likely he sort of knew, and tried to suppress it but still did it - it was the instinct of self-preservation. In fact he had already done it since he was alive and the same person (minus deltas) after his to-be Grandpa died in the test.

So if Leela ever thought about it, Fry's only chance to be himself was to do it. If Leela really cared for Fry she would have even have to talk him into not backing off and doing it (if he did not want to). How's that for irony (the second TDHAIP reference already!)

Makes sense ? It may be 'light comedy', but when Futurama ventures into time travel, it becomes serious.

And that brings me to the next question I would like to ask you all:

If by chance and supreme idiocy you killed your grand(grand-grand-)parent of the same sex, would you sleep with your other grandparent in order to make sure you will still be *you*?

Meaning, would you let history flow and do it as you are supposed to, since after you killed your grandparent you should have dissapeared instantly unless you scr*wed your surviving grandparent by default?

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« Reply #492 on: 11-26-2006 09:07 »
« Last Edit on: 11-26-2006 09:07 by coldangel_1 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
 I have a lot of grief over that scene. It might be terminal.


Just... watch that episode out of order... before Parasites Lost. There, problem solved.
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« Reply #493 on: 11-26-2006 09:26 »
« Last Edit on: 11-26-2006 09:26 by coldangel_1 »

   
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
Meaning, would you let history flow and do it as you are supposed to, since after you killed your grandparent you should have dissapeared instantly unless you scr*wed your surviving grandparent by default?


Pfft... you couldn't disappear instantly. If you killed off your forbear... or even if you went back to yesterday and killed YOURSELF. You'd still be there... you'd just have created a divergent timeline where you are a visitor, from an alternate timeline that your actions erased. You become a person *from nowhere*. There's no such thing as a grandfather paradox. In Futurama, Fry happened to become his own grandfather, though he wouldn't have had to in order to keep existing. The gang would have gone back to the future... it just would have been a NEW future where no record of any 'Philip J Fry' could be found, despite him being there {A non-person, or john-doe, with no past except that which he can remember and the recollections of the crew who shared the time-travel expreience}... Plus there'd likely be a duplicate Leela still working at the Cryogenic lab, another Bender who probably comitted suicide, another Professor, and another Zoidberg (nobody else went back to Roswell, right? *tries to remember*).
This rigid linear idea of time that people force themselves to adhere to really baffles me. Nothing's as complicated as people try to make it.
Think of it this way - Fry wasn't born in 1947. So if he's walking around there then he's already existing when he logically shouldn't be. He's a person out of his own time, therefore there it isn't an extension to make him a person out of his own reality. Take actions in the past, you create a new future. The new future is an alternate reality. You can go to an alternate reality where you were never born - there is no paradox.
Similarly, I travel back to yesterday and shoot the yesterday version of myself in the head. This doesn't create some kind of stupid feedback loop where I'm dead, so I don't go back in time, so I can't shoot myself, blah blah.... that's idiotic. A new timeline is spawned. I'm a person from nowhere, and I start the new timeline standing over the dead body of a bloke who looks remarkably like me (Trust me, I've tried this).

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« Reply #494 on: 11-26-2006 14:19 »

Oooooo, timetravel! I wanna go!
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« Reply #495 on: 11-26-2006 17:56 »

The time travel theory makes a lot of sense CA. So if Fry didn't sleep with his grandma, he'd still be the same but wont have the missing delta brainwave? And just have no history?

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
 
Just... watch that episode out of order... before Parasites Lost. There, problem solved.

It still ruins my ship though. Just the same as the episodes with Zapp, Adlai, Alkazar, Chaz (even though that episode fixes itself at the end), Michelle, Morgan, Amy, the mermaid woman I forgot the name of, Fry's grandma and anyone else I've possibly forgotten also ruins my ship. It's irrelevant when they occurred.
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« Reply #496 on: 11-26-2006 21:33 »

Yes, I reckon so. Since he was able to recognise Enus as his grandfather that must mean than in an unaltered timeline that guy must have been his grandfather. Therefore yes, he'd still exist, but having the delta brainwave and with no past. However we never see that timeline because Fry is actually successful in creating a loop with his own birth, normally impossible, and the oddity of that is what makes him unique.


Spleesh Cyberphobia, you make out like people only have one romance in their lives.
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« Reply #497 on: 11-27-2006 01:55 »

No I'm not making it out like that, because I don't care what they do before they meet each other but now they they have met and love is staring at them in the face, in frustrates me that they would be with other people.
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« Reply #498 on: 11-27-2006 03:34 »

That's just fear, weakness, and self-delusion... and it is rather realistic for a cartoon context 'cause that's exactly the kind of stupid crap real people do.
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« Reply #499 on: 11-27-2006 05:09 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
   Pfft... you couldn't disappear instantly.



Oh damn... you had to read the small  smile ..of course I did not want to say that, and except for the small writing, the rest says 'the only way for Fry to be himself' would be to become his own grandfather. Got it ? I have not changed the small writing since it can be interpreted as 'you would dissapear instantly as you were'... Like you say, Fry would be a different person, have the delta brainwave and so on, thus not be the Fry we know - the Fry in the Futurama universe we observe when we watch the series, sitting in our armchair in our Universe (insert blah-blah here). Everything I wrote up there still applies. So, if Leela wanted him to stay 'himself' (AND save everyone else from meeting their weird duplicates I guess, although my mind still struggles to comprehend that and accept it) she should have even advised him to do the unthinkable. Maybe she did not u8nderstand what was happening, but the Professor should have! Oh well.
As for parallel Universes, yes, that's what Futurama is all about, but you have to simplify it a bit - else the human mind cannot comprehend it - or I am simply stupider - oh well... Like in Roswell they attacked that base and so on... thus changing the future again... but geez you have to stop somewhere with the level of detail.

So the question stands: if you did something in the past to change yourself substantially in the future - the one you'd go back to- would you do anything to repair it and be yourself again, such as sleeping with your surviving grandparent? or would you take chances - of becoming a nobody and meeting a parallel you in the future?
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PS I watched the Pilot today and I was amazed that a lot of scenes I thoguht were in, were actually not. My brain must have simply added the deleted scenes or the animatics to the episode ! That is really weird. And such a fuss about career chips and 'you gotta do what you gotta do', which then is rarely mentioned... There MUST be a message there (such as you DON'T have to do what 'you've gotta do')


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« Reply #500 on: 11-27-2006 05:16 »

Nah. I like screwing with time/space... like when I have an instance of deja vu where I know what's about to happen, I always make a point of forcing something different to happen... just to let the cosmos know who's in charge.
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« Reply #501 on: 11-27-2006 05:20 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
... I don't care what they do before they meet each other but now they they have met and love is staring at them in the face, it frustrates me that they would be with other people.

'Love is staring them in the face' I LIKE IT, very nicely said, Cyber  smile. It seems you have something that I also have - is that the delusional .. something-something that ColdAngel mentions? No matter! (ask her, ask her) Do you also believe in the one love that can make or break your entire life? The concept Shiny ridicules? Then we're on the same brainwave length  smile

The prob is that Fry does not / cannot communicate his love unless he has worms or devilish hands, and Leela does not know it for quite a while, or represses it (and her intuition that must be creaming 'he loves you dammit, watcha doin', this may be IT, wanna lose him?).

I remember I had a girlfriend that, about after a year, one night suddenly said 'I realised I love you. Just NOW' On the spot I thought it was - like Shiny says - tommyrot. How can it hit just like that? Oh yes but it can... I grew up and realised that is possible...

And so on...I better STOP now.
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« Reply #502 on: 11-27-2006 05:31 »

  puke

Well, being incapable of it myself, I don't really know much about love, but I have observed that a lot of people can have more than one love in their lives. Often at the same time.
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« Reply #503 on: 11-27-2006 06:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
 'Love is staring them in the face' I LIKE IT, very nicely said, Cyber   smile. It seems you have something that I also have - is that the delusional .. something-something that ColdAngel mentions? No matter! (ask her, ask her) Do you also believe in the one love that can make or break your entire life? The concept Shiny ridicules? Then we're on the same brainwave length   smile

The prob is that Fry does not / cannot communicate his love unless he has worms or devilish hands, and Leela does not know it for quite a while, or represses it (and her intuition that must be creaming 'he loves you dammit, watcha doin', this may be IT, wanna lose him?).

I remember I had a girlfriend that, about after a year, one night suddenly said 'I realised I love you. Just NOW' On the spot I thought it was - like Shiny says - tommyrot. How can it hit just like that? Oh yes but it can... I grew up and realised that is possible...

And so on...I better STOP now.

Umm yeah, I think I believe in the one love concept. I think there's 'the one' for everybody (well all good people who aren't serial killers or anything) but it's sometimes not easy to find and that's why people go into bad marriages which end in divorce.

I think Fry can communicate his love and Leela knows he loves her but her own insecurities are holding her back from the relationship, such as losing Fry as a friend. Also, I feel she takes him for granted a lot and feels that he'll always be there for her to fall back on and is like a safety net. So if all other relationships fail, she sees Fry as the last resort to save her from eternal loneliness.
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« Reply #504 on: 11-27-2006 06:58 »

How could there be a 'the one' for anybody? Is this a concept related to the idea of pre-destiny? I don't understand how that could work. All humans are basically the same, the only thing that seperates them are their experiences in life, which count for nothing, so mating partners might as well be interchangable.
How do you define 'the one'? There are more than six billion human vermin infesting the planet, and no one human ever meets even a small fraction of that number in their short pointless lives, so if there is only one person who a given human is supposed to be with, then how could he or she ever hope to encounter that one? Are we expected to wander the globe meeting everyone for decades until we finally happen upon The One in some remote villiage in Kenya and somehow know that he or she is The One...? And if you don't meet every person in existence then how would you know that someone else isn't MORE of a 'The One' than the other One? You can't. It's silly.
It doesn't make any logical sense - can someone please explain the thinking behind this concept? It sounds like claptrap... or possibly an overly-romantisized description of the act of merely finding someone who is good enough to settle for.
There is no such thing as pre-destiny - the idea defies rationality. It's just wishful thinking dreamed up by frightened little people who like to think that there's something more to themselves and their pointless little existence than there really is. This is not the case. There's no grand plan and there's no reason for anything. The sooner you accept the totality of chaos the sooner you will see the Universe for what it actually is.
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« Reply #505 on: 11-27-2006 07:11 »

Well you're 'the one' isn't going to be living in Kenya most likely because you'd need to have a lot in common with them. Maybe there are more than one 'one's but they are so rare that you might only come across and get to know one 'one' in your lifetime. Mostly your 'one' would be someone who has grown up in the same kind of environment as you because you can't click with a person if you don't have a lot of similarities with them.

It makes sense to me anyway.
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« Reply #506 on: 11-27-2006 07:33 »

Well that seems rather superficial... merely shared experience. That's something that could even be manufactured if you were devious enough... certainly not the kind of deep spiritual connection that seemed to be inferred.
Pfft... I'm about as romantic as a live hand grenade lodged in a pig's anus, and even I thought there'd be more to it than that. Just when I thought humanity couldn't possibly disappoint me any more...
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« Reply #507 on: 11-27-2006 09:31 »

Heh - 'The One'. We're all going to meet Neo and get it on with him! Eeew, I don't want to be with hole man.  frown

Well, as for the actual concept of 'the one' who isn't Neo, I think it is the fact that some people just 'click' with others, and they don't feel the reason to continue 'searching', if that's what they were doing. But I don't think it's set that everyone is going to find that 'someone' (yay, I like quotation fingers), that's just something you tell yourself when you've been alone forever and don't want it to continue. "I'm just so lonely!"
If there was just one person that you were 'meant to be with your whole life..I think
a) It'd be a bit boring
b) It'd be unfair if you were waiting your whole life, met them when you were 86, and didn't even get time to get bored of them
c) There'd be only one large dating agency, and it'd be very specific and not cost anything, to be fair to everyone.
No, wait, what's this about fairness? Sorry, I'm not thinking of human civilization here....  tongue
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« Reply #508 on: 11-27-2006 09:35 »

Yeah, 'swat I mean - they find someone who is acceptable and say, "Okay, this is the one" merely because it's easy and convenient. There is actually no such thing as the one.
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« Reply #509 on: 11-27-2006 20:47 »

'The one' is just a concept made up by society to encourage monogamy.
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« Reply #510 on: 11-27-2006 22:36 »

Because everyone is too selfish to share their partners.  no no Tsk tsk.

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« Reply #511 on: 11-28-2006 00:35 »

Society can bite my glorious golden ass.
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« Reply #512 on: 11-28-2006 04:55 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Yeah, 'swat I mean - they find someone who is acceptable and say, "Okay, this is the one" merely because it's easy and convenient. There is actually no such thing as the one.


Awww-kay... this has drifted somehow from what I meant. I simply said - I believe that it is possible that during your lifetime you may encounter a love so intense and important that it may make or break your life. The cherchez la femme simply means, your match is out there somewhere, go and find it - but really it is not literal. It is meant to encourage you, to say that there should be someone out there that is best for you (not predestined necessarily, but I don't rule that out either- I'm a scientist  smile )- so go and look for him / her. ColdAngel and everyone else, I believe you should do that too - whether you look for him / her in the physical or virtual reality. And keep looking regardless of age and how bitter you are. Of course the other may find you, but don't count on that. I said 'the other' not 'the one'.

So yes, everything is more or less random... but sometimes coincidences are amazing - what was that? if you do things the right way no-one will ever be able to say you did anything at all - to mix a little bit of religious message in this (i'm not religious BTW despite my upbringing, or maybe because of that). I believe it is good to be a little cautios about what you believe and what you rule out. NebulaGod may be out there, assigning you someone, or just doing more important things... or not be there at all. Can you tell ?

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As for the time travel-related question I aksed, from the reactions (lack of) I guess it was a bit convoluted. It was about you wanting to remain yourself in relation to the reality. E.g. kill your grand.. etc parent of same sex, and you are a nobody (we don't want that, do we ...). Would you then do it with your surviving grandparent to try to keep your universe as much intact as you can (or not create a parallel universe of sorts containing a different you, considering you'd have to live with the other you - hehe)? I guess it is blurry... so I'll wait patiently for Shiny ...  smile

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« Reply #513 on: 11-28-2006 05:54 »

Hell no! If there's someone out there that has the power to make me all gooey and settle down, and have a couple of mortgages... then I'll do whatever I can to avoid that person. If I ever met someone who I felt I was falling deeply in love with, I would take whatever steps necessary to ensure that I never had to see that person again. I know what the emotive response derives from and I know what it leads to, and I don't want any part of either thing.
I don't care if there's a God who has a plan for me. I'll defy God the same as I defy any person, force of nature, or genetic imperitive. Nothing and nobody tells me what to do.

No, Fry_B, for gawd's sake, I wouldn't fuck my grandmother. I'd sooner not exist. The beauty of not existing is that you aren't around to be peeved by the fact that you don't exist.
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« Reply #514 on: 11-28-2006 06:01 »

Looking at the second ep now... Amazing, I had not seen its beginning before. BTW See how eps 1 and 2 do not start with that Futurama logo? I did not see that before...

What I wanted to mention related to the topic is that Fry was really charming and enthused in this episode, while Leela was bored, uncaring and cynical. CA - you mentioned some of this before, but it's really blatant. Fry is having the experience of his life going to the Moon - imagine that! - and Leela cannot comprehend why he is so enthusiastic. Yes I guess Leela's character has evolved since those early episodes, although not always to the better  hmpf...
Leela seems even ready to accept the stoopid Moon landing story created by the phungineers while Fry is appaled at how fake everything is. Fry is here a totally nromal person. Ok, Leela does change a bit but only right at the very end - probably the writers realised this was a bit too much in view of the first ep's events so they suddenly changed direction..

So, yeah, this ep was different... Fry did not look so idiotic, Leela looked really bitchy to me, Amy looked quite smart in fact and pretty much saved everyone's life (well, Bender's... shiny ass I guess, not life), and Zoidberg... was as ususal (there must be an exception, right?).

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« Reply #515 on: 11-28-2006 06:10 »

 
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Hell no! ...I don't care ... Nothing and nobody tells me what to do....

I wouldn't fuck my grandmother...

Angry, angry young man  smile Ok, have it your way. We'll see you in a couple of decades. And I never said a couple of mortgages for ZG's sake (that's ZombieGod) - rates are rising now, imagine in 20 years!

As to the grandma stuff, cool. I wonder what others think and if there is anyone that would. Ok, Fry pretty much convinced himself she could not have been his grandma, but he must have known it deep down (I love this term, it reminds me of a smart thread here somewhere, did I mention that b4?). And I thought you just argued that not doing it would not mean you would not exist, but that you would create an alternate universe where you would not be you as we know you. Who is we and why are we the reference? I'll leave it at that befoire the mods close the thread for extreme complexity / nerdness and giving readers sonic diarrhea...
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« Reply #516 on: 11-28-2006 06:17 »

Yes, *I* know I wouldn't cease to exist, since I am well-versed in the art of time travel, however I argue that it wouldn't matter if I did because I wouldn't be around to notice the difference.
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« Reply #517 on: 11-28-2006 06:33 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
So, yeah, this ep was different... Fry did not look so idiotic, Leela looked really bitchy to me, Amy looked quite smart in fact and pretty much saved everyone's life (well, Bender's... shiny ass I guess, not life), and Zoidberg... was as ususal (there must be an exception, right?).

Fry was still his normal enthusiastic, happy-go-lucky, boyish self. And he was a bit dumb in terms of his "Every man for himself" lines. Also dumb in terms of getting them into the mess in the first place.

I don't think Leela was bitchy, I think she was just trying to stick by the rules and do everything right because she's always been like that. In later episodes, she does loosen up a bit but she's always been like that. Plus, she just simply did not understand why Fry thought space was so great. Not until the end when she was with Fry at the original moon landing site.

Amy has always had her heart in the right place and tries her best, she's just ditsy. I think intellectually, she's not that dumb (she is an engineering student after all), she just makes a lot of stupid mistakes and dumb comments. I think it was very much in character for her to work so hard to get the keys. She hates disappointing people.
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« Reply #518 on: 11-28-2006 08:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
So the question stands: if you did something in the past to change yourself substantially in the future - the one you'd go back to- would you do anything to repair it and be yourself again, such as sleeping with your surviving grandparent? or would you take chances - of becoming a nobody and meeting a parallel you in the future?

Peh. No, I don't think so. I might if I didn't realise the person I was sleeping with was my relative...but then, I'm the one who'd get pregnant from it, and as it is I wouldn't be wanting to get pregnant so I wouldn't be doing it in the first place.  big grin Ha, see how much it changes when you're the one who would have to give birth to your own mother/father! How would that work? Because you'd have to stay in the past to give birth to the kid, and raise it...unless...yeah, I don't think it would work for a female.
As for the being you when you got back to the future (hehe), I don't see why it would matter. Things happen, and that's what happens, you can't change it so leave it be. But then why was I in the past in the first place?   eek Okay, I wasn't. Calm...

 
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Leela seems even ready to accept the stoopid Moon landing story created by the phungineers while Fry is appaled at how fake everything is. Fry is here a totally nromal person. Ok, Leela does change a bit but only right at the very end - probably the writers realised this was a bit too much in view of the first ep's events so they suddenly changed direction..

It just shows how not being a part of something can change how you see it. Fry's kind of like a grandpa going on about how back in his day it wasn't like that, and Leela's the teenager who finds the new rubbish exciting and fun when it's completely incomprehensible to Fry.
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« Reply #519 on: 11-28-2006 08:26 »

 
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Originally posted by any1else:
 It just shows how not being a part of something can change how you see it. Fry's kind of like a grandpa going on about how back in his day it wasn't like that, and Leela's the teenager who finds the new rubbish exciting and fun when it's completely incomprehensible to Fry.

Yeah. That 'old-timer' aspect of Fry is something they should play on more in upcoming seasons. It gives him a kind of wisdom to counter his obvious idiocy... like the time when he invented the wheel. There should be more moments like that when simple brilliance of our time that has been lost through the ages is revealed by Fry and garners him a sprinkling of respect.
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