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FENIX

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« Reply #360 on: 11-17-2006 08:33 »
« Last Edit on: 11-17-2006 08:33 »

Maybe she's attracted to his lack of smarts and quirky attitude, or maybe she's waiting for Fry to make something of himself.  In the begining he was new and exciting, then when she found what he was like she lost interest, like most of the men you see her affiliate with.  But take parasites lost for example, when he became MORE than Fry was she just interested in the NEW him?  Or did she feel that Fry is now worthy of her affection?

I can't remember the name of the episode, but it was where the What If? machine showed what she would be like if she were more impulsive, and other than killing everyone she slept with Fry, was that down to her impulse, or that she did it so Fry would never talk?

(Thanks Shiny, means alot babes)   smile
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« Reply #361 on: 11-17-2006 08:47 »

My take:

In the second ep, Leela began to act annoyed with Fry because he started annoying her.  She was supportive enough of him at first, taking him on the Lunar Lander ride, but then he jumped the track.  So she gives him a time limit that he agrees to, only then he breaks it to announce a ridiculous quest (given their resources at the moment), putting both their lives in danger and ultimately landing them into two weeks of forced labor for Cooter J. Redneck.  While Fry is still having fun experiencing new things, Leela is seeing her very first mission turn into a two-week-long disaster for which she will have to answer to the Professor, who only just hired them and might drop them just as fast, leaving her either jobless or forced to crawl back to the Cryogenics lab job which she detests.  Meanwhile Amy and Bender are who knows where, getting into who knows how much trouble and (in Bender's case) wreaking who knows what havok. 

And the guy whose crazy whim put her there is giddily unrepentant. 

When you're in a bad mood, cheerful people ARE annoying.  Especially if they caused your bad mood in the first place, and you don't quite get WHY.

And notice how Leela's approach shifts dramatically when she finally understands the real importance of the Moon to Fry.

I like that ep.  I'll have to put it on tonight.  smile

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« Reply #362 on: 11-17-2006 08:58 »

Yeah, it's a goodie, don't have it on me laptop  frown kinda sucks without a decent server, but what to you expect for Basra.  So saying then that "Yes he is a goofball who gonna get me fired" then realising that things in the 30th century are complete wonders to Fry her opinion of him changes so that she forgives him and at the same time feels sorry for him, coz it all new and exciting for Fry?  Didn't she say though that once the Job was done they could do other stuff? So why not complete the mission, then what ever happens afterwards is up to Fry? Or did they deliver the stuff anyway?

See, I hate not having that episode, I need to have some background info before making this post.
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« Reply #363 on: 11-17-2006 11:14 »

Who thinks the Nibblonians might have been responsible for Leela's placement as a Career Officer at that specific cryo-lab?
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« Reply #364 on: 11-17-2006 11:41 »

After the 'chance' meeting between Fry and Leela, I'd be inclined to believe the Nibblonians had something to do with it.
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« Reply #365 on: 11-17-2006 19:32 »

Especially since she is 'The Other'. The coincidence would be too great. Nibblonians have a way of manufacturing destiny.
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« Reply #366 on: 11-17-2006 21:41 »
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Originally posted by FENIX:
Yeah, it's a goodie, don't have it on me laptop    frown kinda sucks without a decent server, but what to you expect for Basra....I hate not having that episode, I need to have some background info before making this post.

And the Fandom looked across the Face of the Internet, and saw that not all Fans had high-speed connections or access to video.  And the Fandom said: "LET THERE BE TRANSCRIPTS!"  And there were.  And the Fans found that Reading the Transcripts was almost like Hearing an Episode. And the Fans said that They were Good.   big grin
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« Reply #367 on: 11-18-2006 03:39 »
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Hey Shiny... I hate to be annoying but I was just wondering if you are going to update your fanfic LOL. It really sticks in my head and I'm dying to find out what happens. But if you're too busy or have writers block or something, that's ok.

Edit: Whoops, I thought this was the more casual Ship Harder Thread. Sorry for the off-topicness.
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« Reply #368 on: 11-18-2006 04:16 »

 
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My take:

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I like that ep.  I'll have to put it on tonight.   smile

Good. Do not forget the bottle of Shasta and the all-Rush mix tape, and watch your eye(s). Wait! Fry did that when he had no date! Does that mean... ?  wink

Shiny, what up? Lately you've missed several topics I would've loved to hear your 'take' on such as 1) would you ask a guy who was more like a friend but who declared he loved you (ok, maybe in a hyped state, but you suspect he meant it) to walk your pet AND tell him it's because you may get lucky with that guy over there ? 2) would you take the risk of being frozen and wake up in a thousand years (supposedly you would survive, but after you thaw anything can happen) and 3) why do you think Leela was ready to give up her parents in The Sting to basically commit suicide, and does that model a possible real life situation (hint: yes  smile )

Also, since I am on the whinge train, it seems you do not get my pointers / puns (all over the place, and very smart  smile ) and also it appears you miss the fine print  smile


There, I said what worried me. Now, just a sec... NO, ouch, WAIT! Let me put on this thing... yes, it's a bloody armour!... Eugh...hmpf.. Ok, I'm ready

It's of course Ok to ignore the above, but... I sort of got used to the old Shiny... What did you do to her, Future Shiny ?? Bring her back, forget the bloody lottery! Else I'll tell the Nibblonians, I swear ! (walks towards the Nibblophone, picks up the the triple-eyeset) I'm gonna do it !

And yes that's the end of the post- phew!

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« Reply #369 on: 11-18-2006 05:49 »
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Who thinks the Nibblonians might have been responsible for Leela's placement as a Career Officer at that specific cryo-lab?


Who thinks the Nibblonians interfered with the career-matching gizmo so it produced the Delivery Boy career outcome  for Fry ? He would've accepted any other job but that one and he would've been out the door. Thank you, Career Officer and goodbye... No chasing, no realising that job sucked for Leela,...no-thing. But yes that is secondary to Leela being there.

And of course if you think Fry can only do deliveries (and save the world in his spare time or when Leela is busy putting it out for some important nobody) then yes, the gizmo was right and no interference was required  wink

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« Reply #370 on: 11-18-2006 06:23 »

Yeah.
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« Reply #371 on: 11-18-2006 14:27 »
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I think Fry is just naturally a delivery boy.  Go here, give them this, goof off in between. 

However, something tells me the Nibblonians had something to do with Leela being a Cryogenics Counselor/Fate Assignment Officer.  She doesn't seem like the Counselor type.  (I see her more as SWAT Team or Animal Rescue.     tongue

Edit: Sorry, forgot about the first bit...no, I'm not ignoring things...well, actually, I am ignoring things, but only because I'm a bit worn out.  Hectic week.

Don't laugh, whippersnappers.  You'll all find out what it's like some day....oh, my yes.      evil laugh

Edit again:  I'll think about those questions and get back to you, FryB.   smile

Edit the third: Cyberphobia, I am still working on the story, but in dribs and drabs...I am a little stumped on the next section, yeah, but after that I'm a little clearer.  Just have to get over this hurdle...
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« Reply #372 on: 11-19-2006 17:02 »

 
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I think Fry is just naturally a delivery boy.  Go here, give them this, goof off in between.

You forget about his world-saving tendencies - a minor detail in respect to parcel delivery  smile this paragraph proudly brought to you by UPS
 
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However, something tells me the Nibblonians had something to do with Leela being a Cryogenics Counselor/Fate Assignment Officer.  She doesn't seem like the Counselor type.  (I see her more as SWAT Team or Animal Rescue.      tongue

Possible - but I believe that often, we lock ourselves in what we believe it's appropriate for us (or because we could not find something better at the time) and then forget about trying to find something better. It's very typical of most humans (not the best place but warm and secure, etc).

I remember I started working in a job below my qualifications (I had to since I was in a different world, pretty much like Fry) and it was very hard to move on to what really matched the level that I had studied. also the environment kept encouraging (read: throwing jobs at me) me to stay at that lower level.

 ... Ok so the lesson is - always be on the look, you can probably do better - if you're lucky, someone will come to wake you up (like Fry woke up Leela), but that may not happen and life is short.

Of course you may say it was all Nibblonians' work, but let's give some reasoning power and perso0nality to Fry & Leela as well, shall we ?

 
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Edit: Sorry, forgot about the first bit...no, I'm not ignoring things...well, actually, I am ignoring things, but only because I'm a bit worn out.  Hectic week.

Don't laugh, whippersnappers.  You'll all find out what it's like some day....oh, my yes.   

Whippersnappersmile I had to look that up. I hear you, Shiny, come back when you can. The same hecticness (a word?) may happen to me soon, so.. it is all understood.

 
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Edit again:  I'll think about those questions and get back to you, FryB.    smile

Good. Cause you won't get away with it  smile

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« Reply #373 on: 11-19-2006 19:13 »

 
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lock ourselves in what we believe it's appropriate for us (or because we could not find something better at the time) and then forget about trying to find something better

When the world bashes you around the head and makes finding anything better a virtual impossibility it's oh so much easier to just become angry and jaded and hold a massive looming resentment for the entire Universe.
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« Reply #374 on: 11-19-2006 22:56 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
 When the world bashes you around the head and makes finding anything better a virtual impossibility it's oh so much easier to just become angry and jaded and hold a massive looming resentment for the entire Universe.

When you're angry and jaded and resentful, you see things as "virtually impossible," when really they're just hard.  The attitude creates an illusion that reinforces the attitude, making a self-sustaining negative feedback loop.  Break the attitude, and "virtually impossible" becomes surprisingly possible.  (That's what I think all that "you create your own reality" stuff is really about - your expectations create, or deny, your possible options.  Change your POV and all kinds of options "suddenly appear." They were really there all along, you just couldn't SEE them. )

Look at Leela - she felt herself trapped in her job by her career chip, yet the casual attitude of others toward what career chip you have (as in Cryogenic Woman, later) makes it clear that career chips are just a formality and getting a new one is probably as easy as getting a racing form.  It took Fry to break through her attitude and open up a new possibility, making it possible for her to have a job she seems to enjoy more and is undeniably good at.
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« Reply #375 on: 11-20-2006 00:30 »

Ugh...what??

Psycho-analytical nonsense aside, my justified attitude of contempt for the world actually drives me harder to succeed to spite all the bastards. But that propellant of hate doesn't make success much easier. I get knocked back at every turn.

"create your own reality"    puke  Huh?????

It's true that the imposition of careers by force (read totalitarianism, police state tactics) as demonstrated in the pilot episode, is never again really entered into. But it wasn't in Leela's mind - the cops tried to literally shoot her and Fry down for abandoning their jobs.
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« Reply #376 on: 11-20-2006 01:03 »
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Well, no - it was for evading arrest (cops REALLY hate it when you run away - no matter how minor your offense, it becomes a Big Deal if you try to escape them).

Your "propellant of hate" may be making your success harder.  You may be getting "knocked back" because you're driving yourself full-speed into walls, when if you slowed down you'd notice there's a DOOR ten feet to the left that isn't even locked.  I speak from experience.  I have convinced myself that I was trapped with no where to go, but I was simply not seeing many options that were right in front of me.  So many of us only see what we want to see, or (if we're perverse enough) what we want most NOT to see, or what we've been trained to see, or what we've convinced ourself we WILL or WILL NOT see, etc., that we really have no idea how many options we have open to us, all the time.

I guess the "you create your own reality" stuff hasn't reached you guys yet...it's a common New Age platitude, but like most platitudes, there's a grain of truth in it.  We "create" our "reality" by what we perceive and don't perceive in our environment.  And we perceive (or not) based on long-developed habits, expectations, atttitudes, hopes, fears, delusions, etc.

If you change your attitude, you change your perceptions, and suddenly the world around you looks totally different. 

Look at Bender - Fry opened his eyes to the possibility of bending where HE chose to. Suddenly the world became a different place for him.  Such is the "conceptual breakthrough," a common science fiction trope. 
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« Reply #377 on: 11-20-2006 01:21 »

Cops are scum - I hate every person who carries a badge. I'd like to see them all burn, the filthy corrupt amoral powerhungry bastards.
Unrelated... sorry... talk of cops kinda trips me off.

I perceive everything.
Anyone who sees the world with optimism isn't looking very hard. And I am very aware of new age philosophy, but to me it seems like nothing more than a way of living happily with defeat instead of resenting it. I like resenting it - makes me feel less of a moron. Can't have much respect for folk who grin while the world treads their face into the dirt... they have no pride.

But anyway, it's become moot. World wouldn't let me attain the meagre aspirations I had, so I've given up - fuck the world, it doesn't deserve me. Now I'm just gonna sit around hating civilization while I wait to die. Playing the martyr is always an amusing distraction.
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« Reply #378 on: 11-20-2006 01:44 »

 
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Anyone who sees the world with optimism isn't looking very hard.

I see that differently ohmg, perspectives. People who look with optimism are either oblivious to the things which make life hard, or have chosen to be oblivious. At least then they don't hang on to everything that makes them resent whatever they might resent, and actually enjoy what little there might be to enjoy. Is it better to choose to be happy or choose to be miserable?
 
 
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World wouldn't let me attain the meagre aspirations I had, so I've given up - fuck the world, it doesn't deserve me.
Why should you have wanted it to deserve you in the first place...?
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« Reply #379 on: 11-20-2006 02:12 »

Berr? I wanted to be something and it wouldn't let me, so instead I'm nothing.
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« Reply #380 on: 11-20-2006 02:20 »

Everybody's nothing though, in the big scheme of things. They just don't care. Or they do...and they deal with it in billions of different ways...Hmm.

You could still be what you wanted to be, only disguise it as being something else, so that the world doesn't catch on until it's too late.
That's it! I'll rob the Kwik-E-Mart!

Then we'll see who the real Spiderman is.

But anyway...
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« Reply #381 on: 11-20-2006 03:42 »

Everything's too hard.
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« Reply #382 on: 11-20-2006 04:46 »


Everything worth having is hard. 

What is it you wanted to be and couldn't?
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« Reply #383 on: 11-20-2006 04:48 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Cops are scum - I hate every person who carries a badge. I'd like to see them all burn, the filthy corrupt amoral powerhungry bastards.
Unrelated... sorry... talk of cops kinda trips me off.

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. 99% of cops are awesome. I was thinking of being a cop a few years ago. I dunno if there's footage of it in Sydney news or wherever you are (there probably is) but did you see the protesting riots that were happening in Melbourne for the past couple of days? And how good the police were in trying to keep the protesters back? I felt so sorry for them how they just kept copping the protesters' abuse, some getting injured in the process to try to keep the peace.

All that police are interested in is keeping the peace, making society a safer place, helping people and rescuing the bad guys. I don't get why everyone hates them, when I think they do a great job and don't get enough praise for when they do something well.

You can't base the whole police force on a few idiots. Most of them are really good, brave people. Please don't discriminate against them.
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« Reply #384 on: 11-20-2006 04:52 »

 
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What is it you wanted to be and couldn't?

I'm assuming it's the be a published writer thing, although it could also be the become a giant robot demi-god thing....

[Inserts own opinion here]He should write other things if he has more noveltastic ideas, and see if any of those are more "acceptable" to the publishers, then after he becomes and established Writy McWriter, push on his original narrative's publication. It's more likely be published then...even if he has to crawl through all the tunnels first.

- Is one way the first problem could possibly be solved.
It's just like clicking fingers.
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« Reply #385 on: 11-20-2006 06:01 »

 
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 When the world bashes you around the head and makes finding anything better a virtual impossibility it's oh so much easier to just become angry and jaded and hold a massive looming resentment for the entire Universe.

Aha, we touched a nerve there... that's what this total wanker (GuessWhoSaidIt, 2006) thread is about..

CA, it's not B&W, it's not just ME and it's not just THEM, it's ME and THEM. The next part goes in small since it's sort of off-topic.

When I said ' but I am an engineer, I wanna design stuff' I was told 'but you're so good at drawing things, keep doing that and you'll still be here and be paid well' / 'but I'm bored' / 'well tough titties (In a nicer form)'. The same happened with job agencies and so on. So yeah, THEY (the society) have a big role to play. Eventually I broke free from that loop and even changed trades (wow that was 'shweet'!). For a few (6!) yrs it was quite hard, but I was finally doing / studying what I always liked. There's no denying, at one point I considered destroying - not the world, but myself. But there's a happy end (again greyish but light gray)  smile I made it, although the market is now better in my old trade - that is sooo much like a Futurama ending! But hey, I still remember how to design . Bwhahaha - in your face, cruel world - I'm a hybrid now (no, not half lobster) and I can morph in whatever the society needs - well almost, I still can't turn into a politician - bleah.

Ok, I assume you want to become a published writer (maybe I'm wrong). Anything having to do with arts is hard; however ... see what Shiny says - is there another way? Look hard... maybe not locally? nationally? Also - is this really your call ? Or is it drawing rather? or a combination of both? A lot of people write quite well yet they use this only later in life after they used another way to get forward and from there launch into (yet) another career.

You have to Ask the Really Hard Questions - is it really what you want? Is there another way, even if (a little) less direct?  (see what any1else thinks). You say society's rules suck - Ok, then use them to your advantage. I believe Talent is a must and you can't do much if you haven't got it. But I also believe that the real art is training that talent and finding a way to use it to make a living [inspiring music plays, chorus sings, a ray of sunshine protrudes through the leadlight... you get the idea].

And also... have you spoken / written to / aksed any seasoned writers about this and for guidance? I assume many of them would feel flattered to be aksed to help an aspiring writer. Also - is age a factor- how old are you?


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« Reply #386 on: 11-20-2006 06:25 »
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
 That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. 99% of cops are awesome. You can't base the whole police force on a few idiots. Most of them are really good, brave people. Please don't discriminate against them.

My experience with police both in Aust and abroad is rather dissapointing or unpleasant to revolting. (BTW in my homeworld, Police was a political & oppressive instrument). Still I believe here most cops are Ok. Just like in Futurama, Police is part of the State. Use it to your advantage; also, being beaten by it can be enjoyable, as Bender discovered in 3BB: 'Allright! Closure!'. And watch out for those speed cameras!
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« Reply #387 on: 11-20-2006 06:27 »

 
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Everything worth having is hard. 

Yet best things in life are free (Is it a ParaBox?) It's true, you come to realise it with age...
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« Reply #388 on: 11-20-2006 08:07 »
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No ParaBox...what is asked of us is not cash, but awareness and effort.  "Awareness" in the sense of being open to multiple possibilities, and not blinding ourselves by pre-conditioned expectations.   

Our left brain is digital...everything is either a 1 or a 0.  Our right brain is analog...while our left brain is going "1 or 0, 0 or 1," the right is jumping up and down going "what about .1?  or .307?  Ooo!  .09134, that's a good one!" But our left brain is drowning it out.  Only when we quiet the left brain for a moment can we hear the right brain's suggestions, and realize that there ARE a lot of possibilities we haven't tried.  Like any1else says, we can come at the problem from another angle.  If the front door is barred, we can sneak in a window, or come down the chimney, or maybe pry up that loose patch of shingles and squeeze into the attic.  Then we have to figure out how to get down from the attic, but hey - we ARE in the house, it was farther than we thought we could get, and now the front door can kiss our shiny metal asses.

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« Reply #389 on: 11-20-2006 09:47 »

 
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Everything worth having is hard. 

Why?   confused What's the practical function of that rule? It just seems sadistic.

 
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What is it you wanted to be and couldn't?

An author.
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« Reply #390 on: 11-20-2006 09:55 »
« Last Edit on: 11-20-2006 09:55 by coldangel_1 »

 
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It's just like clicking fingers.

...What? Pulling another novel out of my arse when I'm bitter and disillusioned about the failure of the first one and justifiably convinced that a second would fail as well? Writing a book ain't the easiest thing in the world at the best of times. Well... maybe for Stephen King... but he's not technically human.

Fry_B - yes man, thank you. I have heard all that so many times, but it's just words. I've given up. I'm not high-born so I'll never attain anything of note. I shall slump down into obscurity where I belong; where the world wants me. Remarkable people aren't required - I was getting too big for my boots. Wrote a book??? Who the hell did I think I was?
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« Reply #391 on: 11-20-2006 11:08 »

Hey, don't say stuff like that, your book was very good! Those publishers are a bunch of jerks with no brains in their heads.

And is your signiture a quote from the Phantom of the Opera? I think it is....
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« Reply #392 on: 11-20-2006 11:42 »
« Last Edit on: 11-20-2006 11:42 by coldangel_1 »

Midnight Oil, like I said... I'm not sure if they were quoting the Phantom or not... I've only half-seen it once but I seem to recall the line that was getting repeated was "PAST the point of no return", which may or may not actually be the origin of the phrase.

'Back once more at the point of no return' is a deliberate contridiction/paradox, because if you're comiming BACK to that point then you're *returning* and it obviously wasn't a real 'point of no return'. Clever stuff. The song, once again, is 'Only the Strong', second track on the Oils' 1982 Album with the unwieldly title '10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1'.
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« Reply #393 on: 11-20-2006 12:06 »

They do a reprise of Point of No Return at the end, its really good actually
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« Reply #394 on: 11-20-2006 12:41 »

And how many publishers did you send it to?  Fifty?  A hundred? 

Two, Three?

One?

Unless your answer is somewhere over "a hundred," I don't see how you can say your novel "failed."  Did any of the publishers give you any details other than "don't fit our needs at this time?"
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« Reply #395 on: 11-20-2006 13:06 »

 
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When the world bashes you around the head and makes finding anything better a virtual impossibility it's oh so much easier to just become angry and jaded and hold a massive looming resentment for the entire Universe.
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
... my justified attitude of contempt for the world actually drives me harder to succeed to spite all the bastards. But that propellant of hate doesn't make success much easier. I get knocked back at every turn...
Justified?
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...Your "propellant of hate" may be making your success harder. You may be getting "knocked back" because you're driving yourself full-speed into walls, when if you slowed down you'd notice there's a DOOR ten feet to the left that isn't even locked... We "create" our "reality" by what we perceive and don't perceive in our environment.
What both Shiny and ColdAngel describe is a “scotoma.”
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...I perceive everything...
Coldy, my friend, no you don’t. You have a scotoma, a ‘blind spot’; we all do. It’s an artifact of habitual patterns of thought we are all subject to. Sometimes, we are too close to something to see it objectively; it’s so important to us, so much of our self worth or ego or whatever is tied to it that we literally can’t think straight.
If I may:
A good friend of mine whom I will refer to as “Brad,” historically had the worst luck with women in the known universe. After some years of casual acquaintance with a mutual friend of ours, whom I will refer to as “Mary,” Brad started spending a lot of time with Mary. As you might imagine, one thing lead to another and they were soon romantically involved.
I was as happy as Bender with a ‘cash loaf’ for them, and tried to help 'smoothe the way' for them as I could.
Brad has dogs, and his home is utterly saturated with “doggy smell,” dog hair, etc. His housekeeping seems to start and end at the proper working of the utilities and appliances.
His personal grooming was always excellent, but his house?

Eugh...

Over several months Mary tried gently suggesting to Brad that his house was, to put it politely, a mess!
Needless to say, without success.
There came a time when Brad disappeared for a week. To this second, I am convinced the reason Brad went away was to deliberate whether or not to propose to Mary.
When Brad returned, he did the most honorable thing he knew: He ended things with Mary.
I was stunned.
Mary was... I don’t think there’s a word for it. Shocked? Devastated? Whatever; it hit her low, tight, and hard.
Sadly, it makes perfect sense to someone on the outside looking in.
Brad had a problem but didn’t see it.
Mary saw it, but when she tried to tell or show Brad, he perceived it as her trying to “change” him into something more to her liking.
As much as he loved her, and she him, he resented this more than I can say.
The tragedy of it is...

She would’ve said “yes...”

My point?
What you don’t see can cost you, and you’ll never know it.
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... World wouldn't let me attain the meagre aspirations I had, so I've given up - fuck the world, it doesn't deserve me. Now I'm just gonna sit around hating civilization while I wait to die. Playing the martyr is always an amusing distraction.
Yeah, that'll show'em...
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
... I wanted to be something and it wouldn't let me, so instead I'm nothing.
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Originally posted by any1else:
I'm assuming it's the be a published writer thing...
@ ColdAngel - If so, you might be interested in this:
I bumped into a writer for "8 Simple Rules," once. He told me the secret to success in writing, and it ain't talent.

It’s tenacity.

His words were that, "it’s persistence... oh, and talent helps too..."
Take this for what it’s worth, or not. Your choice.
I wish you success.
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« Reply #396 on: 11-20-2006 19:54 »

 
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  ...What? Pulling another novel out of my arse when I'm bitter and disillusioned about the failure of the first one and justifiably convinced that a second would fail as well? Writing a book ain't the easiest thing in the world at the best of times.

I know that...that's why I made the clicking fingers remark...sarcasm...because it's not as easy as clicking fingers...I obviously have your problem of not being able to access sarcasm on the internet...

I know you've tried hard to get published. Even after rejection letters you still tried. It was like when I was all worried about a resume and getting a job, and you said that you just put your resume in to plenty of places and one was bound to pick you up.
Why is it any different now? Why stop? So your current resume isn't working so well, it doesn't mean you have shitty credentials. Sure, it might take a few years. It might take another decade. But if this is that one thing you want in your life, find a way to get unstuck.
You have a lot of people on your side here, trying to help you. Saying it must be possible. How can you just give up? Okay, we’re not publishing agents, but we’re the public - the people you hate so much yet want to share your talent with.
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« Reply #397 on: 11-20-2006 21:32 »
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CA, you're now probably confused and even angrier (we'll see that in your pics   smile ), but I suggest you save these posts and read them later. I can tell you how I got to publish - although it is not fiction.
1) I targeted events that had special areas for less experienced people. I got in. Then at the next event I got in in the normal area. Done.
2) I studied the field thoroughly, used and quoted all the recognized names. That helped a lot.
3) I liaised (write, meet, talk) with people that do research, write and publish - in the end we got to know each other. Now when I submit, they know me either directly or via third parties. It makes a difference. I am no genius.
4) I looked at the whole range of possibilities, from events (conferences) to talks., seminars, magazines and book chapters. A chapter in a book edited by someone known can be that other way. Then you get your own book.

Some of this may help you, That's all I can offer I'm afraid.

Was all this off-topic or what...errr...thinking.. No, I can't drag this into Futurama anymore, too late   smile

[@Shiny] Shiny, how are you going with those questions? no pressure, no pressure...
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« Reply #398 on: 11-20-2006 23:35 »

Enough.
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« Reply #399 on: 11-21-2006 06:28 »
« Last Edit on: 11-21-2006 06:28 »

Yeah... getting back to Futurama and tonight's episode (BendHer) - which I saw for the first time - I was wondering how come Bender, upon being converted into a fembot, suddenly got to have so much insight into the female gender - or was that insight rather tongue-in-cheek? Leela appeared surprised and sometimes embarrassed at BendHer's remarks so I guess he (she) got it right(?). Leela's reactions throughout the episode are in fact interesting - disbelief (at Bender's latest exploit), amazement, gealousy (on BendHer's success with Calculon - hehe),...

Any (female but not only) PEELer would care to comment on that? E.g. was BendHer on the money ? or, would you really go out with a guy just for the meal     smile (now I learned something new), etc ?

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