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jle1993

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« Reply #320 on: 11-14-2006 14:15 »
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Hell yes!
The future is full of possiblitys, and there are stop'n'drop booths which would be easier that OD's or cut wrists, sounds perfect for me! Maybe the future would even change my mind on that, it would depend on what happens.

TOTPD, squeeeeeeeeeeee
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« Reply #321 on: 11-14-2006 16:35 »

 
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Originally posted by jle1993:
Hell yes!
The future is full of possiblitys, and there are stop'n'drop booths which would be easier that OD's or cut wrists, sounds perfect for me! Maybe the future would even change my mind on that, it would depend on what happens.

TOTPD, squeeeeeeeeeeee

Yes, full of possibilities...such as finding a scorched planet and promptly dying for lack of O2 or 1000 other causes.

I guess the answer to my question very much depends on the current situation, age... There are times when you are really depressed and appear to be stuck in an infinite loop or a corner and thus Stop & Drop(ping) seems a good idea, but human nature (self-preservation instinct?) appears to ensure that after you hit the bottom (if you survive that phase, that is) you will bounce back...since from there really, the only way is up..
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« Reply #322 on: 11-14-2006 16:51 »

Hm...yes curiosity would get the better of me, I would freeze myself when I've done everything I've wanted to do in this time period, or possibly until I'm close to my deathbed and then freeze myself.  I dunno if I'd want to live in it, more like just see what happens in a 1000 years.  Too bad its all just a dream though, cryogenics isn't at the stage where we can successfully unfreeze people.
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« Reply #323 on: 11-14-2006 20:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
   ... Calling all Futurama fans (and CA, you're first     smile )...Would you like to wake up in a thousand years, knowing that you may well be dead within secs? Would you ? Would you like to see what lay ahead when otherwise there would be NO way to know ? Ok, there may be a beautiful (mind, or soul - or both!) stone-hearted man / woman waiting for you and a whole new world that yes, may drive you insane... or semi-instant death (but say you still got a glimpse of the future, else it would be too boring).

Would you like to see the world through Fry's eyes ?


Yes. Even if it meant dying soon after thawing out. For one thing, people I knew wouldn't still be around, and for another thing, I'm kind of neutral on things so I'd be all "If I die, tell my wife 'hello'"
I dunno. I'm happy to go with the flow. I like change. So even if I knew everybody I knew was dead I'd probably end up saying something similar to what Fry said. Haha. I can't believe I was only 12 when I first heard him say that. I loved it. "...I'll never see any of them again. Yahoo!" Not that I hate anybody I know, I wouldn't exactly be elated, but at the same time I'd be all "oh well, that's the way it goes."
I feel like I'm babbling.
I don't really care about seeing what the future is like. If I see it, I see it. If I don't, I don't.

Hello.
coldangel

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« Reply #324 on: 11-14-2006 20:16 »

In a thousand years the world will probably be ruled over by some incarnation of me, or a clone of me, cast as a gigantic God-figure.
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« Reply #325 on: 11-14-2006 20:30 »

"I mutated from him!"

Will there be cake?

You'll have to send me a postcard when you reach your goal.

Imagine if Fry and Bender and Leela were there in the future somehow. Maybe somebody will artificially create them and then somehow...they'd exist. Oooh, and the professor with his Planet Express company. Maybe some of us were his original crew members!
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« Reply #326 on: 11-14-2006 20:48 »

"Ohh, those poor sons of bit..... but that's not important - I need a NEW crew!"
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« Reply #327 on: 11-15-2006 04:22 »

It would be funny if people were able to watch the Futurama episodes in 1000 years and see how close the predictions are to the real thing (obviously, it would be hugely differant) but they'd probably laugh so hard at how our century thought it might be.
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« Reply #328 on: 11-15-2006 04:30 »

Futurama's kinda supposed to be like how people in the 1960's thought the future would be. It's already laughable by our standards. It's 'retro-sci-fi'. The spaceships look like things out of buck rogers.
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« Reply #329 on: 11-15-2006 05:10 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Futurama's kinda supposed to be like how people in the 1960's thought the future would be. It's already laughable by our standards. It's 'retro-sci-fi'. The spaceships look like things out of buck rogers.

Why of course, ColdAngel, more precisely how the 1939's people (Great Depression- are you ready for it here in Aust NOW?) thought the 1960s would be in this Exhibition. Yes, I just used Wikipedia  smile

When asking the question, I was of course, aware that there are some differences to Fry'S situation: 1) PRESENT: his life was a bit dull (like screaming 'sucked!!" )  2) FUTURE: he had no prospects of improving since his parents did not send him to school 3) he did NOT get to make a choice - well YES he DID, but as an alter ego from the future, that was to save the world, blah-blah... AND GET BACK TO LEELA. You see, maybe Shiny was right - my fanfic idea would imply that FRY gave up Leela for the Universe's sake and thus warp the Futurama world beyond recognition. In The Why of Fry, Fry saved the Universe.. (hurray...hero... etc..? na-ah)... it was FOR A CHANCE TO GET TOGETHER WITH LEELA.  That's my interpretation.

Sooo... when I am asking 'would you like to be frozen and wake uo in 10^3 years' I am giving you - (the PRESENT you, not the FUTURE you) a Choice, thus waiving 3). The question is, when you answer YES, do you believe that 2) (your natural future, next 50-70 years) is not worth it ? WHY? and 1) does your present situation suck so much ?

ColdAngel.. DING-DING! Wake up! .. Ok, where was I?

And I only got YES from everyone that cared to answer - thank you (Shiny appears to be in the POP-OFF state). I am being a bit hard here... the answer is definitely age-related. The answer of a teenager is different to someone in their 20s and different to someone in their 30s (getting a family and their mortgage, blah-blah so exciting) to someone in their 40s. I am beginning to suspect that the answer changes from Yes to Maybe / No to yes again... the more we advance in age. I refer to the Majority / Average, noit individuals.

So there... myself? I am starting to lean towards Yes again. What the heck.
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« Reply #330 on: 11-15-2006 05:20 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
I don't flip coins, but I do tend to go with the flow of random quirks of fate because I can't be bothered (or often feel it is not my place) to impose my own will on the course of events. Things happen to me and I react to them, more often than not responding without any real thought - just taking random stabs in the dark.
It makes life more interesting.
So it's not just women who do this.

Ok we all do that sometimes... but suppose you had a date and you need to make a decision - would you really flip a coin ? C'mon, that could be your future wife man - do you like her or not?

Just tell you wife then that you flipped a coin rather than wanting to see her, you'll be set for lotsa fun

On the other hand, leaving things to hazard (very rarely I did that) has sometimes worked better for me, but I know that if the outcome was worse I would have really not forgiven myself. Hmm.


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« Reply #331 on: 11-15-2006 05:23 »

I do not change with age. I am eternal.
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« Reply #332 on: 11-15-2006 05:29 »

 
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Originally posted by jle1993:
Hell yes!
The future is full of possiblitys, and there are stop'n'drop booths which would be easier that OD's or cut wrists, sounds perfect for me! Maybe the future would even change my mind on that, it would depend on what happens.

TOTPD, squeeeeeeeeeeee


I hope you're kidding about the Suicide Booths as a reason to go into the future. Maybe the Future will kill you for free, and spare the 25c (..for what?) ..Anyway, this is a bit morbid...things will get better I am sure  smile

Would you care to tell me - would you ever flip a coin to go on a date ? and why do you think Leela did that ? Was she shallow, was she 'aventurous', or was he so 50-50 that she could not decide ?

[@ Cyberphobia] And I am asking you, CyberFob the same question.

[@Shiny] I even dare to ask you, Shiny the same, if you're still around (hastily puts on armour)  smile
Fry_B

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« Reply #333 on: 11-15-2006 05:33 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
I do not change with age. I am eternal.


You are scary. Still no Caramel to be found.

BTW Sorry to flood the thread like this but I only get limited time to post and then I go nutz I guess.
Apple Tea

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« Reply #334 on: 11-15-2006 05:46 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
I do not change with age. I am eternal.

How sad for you...I'd hate to be eternal
Fry_B

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« Reply #335 on: 11-15-2006 06:43 »

 
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Originally posted by Apple Tea:
 How sad for you...I'd hate to be eternal

No human could cope with this kind of ordeal. We are designed with an 'use by' date. Many have tried to imagine how it would be; some have even tried to be eternal (by drinking mercury - good on them!)... to no avail - luckily for them (and everyone else).

Bender got close to a glimpse of how it would be to be eternal, in Godfellas .. but his program would not allow him to go crazy (would it ?).

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« Reply #336 on: 11-15-2006 07:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
Would you care to tell me - would you ever flip a coin to go on a date ? and why do you think Leela did that ? Was she shallow, was she 'aventurous', or was he so 50-50 that she could not decide ?
No I wouldn't do it. But I might use it as an excuse to not go on a date ("the coin told me not to"}. LOL I doubt that excuse would work very well.

And Leela would have definately only flipped the coin because she was 50/50. If she was leaning towards not wanting to go, she wouldn't go. If she was leaning to wanting to go, she would go. That's why at the end of Parabox, she flips the coins but decides to "just say it's heads" before looking at the outcome. Because she was leaning towards a yes and realised it was pointless flipping the coin if she had already made up her mind.

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
[@ Cyberphobia] And I am asking you, CyberFob the same question.
What question? The one I just answered?
coldangel

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« Reply #337 on: 11-15-2006 07:17 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
 No human could cope with this kind of ordeal.

Fortunately I'm not.
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« Reply #338 on: 11-15-2006 07:19 »

To me, having eternal life would be claustrophobic...I'd feel stuck and unable to move or get out...I get bored enough as it is! You'd run out of things you'd want to accomplish...

Flipping a coin seems kind of silly in general as a decision maker...
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« Reply #339 on: 11-15-2006 08:32 »

Well with eternal life I could... play lots of The Sims (or Sims 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, for how ever many they create) and that might be fun. I think it's hard to get sick of The Sims. It's so addictive!

I have a sad life.
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« Reply #340 on: 11-15-2006 10:28 »
« Last Edit on: 11-15-2006 10:28 by coldangel_1 »

You all think too small.
With eternity to play with you could ascend the heirachy of power and influence and grasp supreme control over the Earth and the fate of every man woman and child that dwell beneath the sky. You'd be unstoppable - because no setback could ever be permenant, and every enemy would turn to dust eventually.
The common man would be beneath your boot, because time would be their master and your servent.
Pitiful small-minded humans. It's this kind of provincial mindset that ensures my eventual domination of you and all your mongeral bretheren!
MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Start practicing your grovelling!

But to take a less diabolical angle (grudgingly) I will explain why immortality in this age wouldn't be boring in the slightest. A thousand years ago the progress of human civilization was on a pretty straight line, and an immortal at that time would get pretty tired pretty quickly. See the world, fight in various wars. See the world again... not much changing. Now it's different. We're sitting on an exponential curve of development where each year brings new wonders - we're about to expand out to the stars. I can see a future looming above us of infinately greater mass and diversity than that which lies in the past. There'll be new worlds, new civilizations... humanity is about to come into its own... and who wouldn't want to be around for it? To watch the species come of age... meet new intelligences... become a Godlike cyborg... see the Universe... Shag hot alien chicks... subtlely work your way into the upper echalons of human government and direct the course of history... I sure would. And I'm going to.
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« Reply #341 on: 11-15-2006 10:46 »

Or I could make my Sims take over the world? It's not really my thing.
any1else

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« Reply #342 on: 11-15-2006 10:46 »
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CA: You're going to. But what happens once you've taken over everything, worked people to death, fought all your enemies, become a robot that can't be destructed....
What do you do for the rest of infinity after everything has gone? Eventually one day you will have visited every part of the universe, because you do have forever, so will you be able to escape the universe? And what if thou does? What could be out there that would be any more exciting than watching birds fly into windows?

Simple things are so much easier to enjoy. That dog has a puffy tail! Here puff!
Technology will advance so far as to give you the freedom to not have to move a muscle. People will die of not doing anything. Making life easier becomes making life non-existent. The pendulum swings…
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« Reply #343 on: 11-15-2006 10:51 »

After I spend a billion years as a God I might be ready to try my hand at being human again.
Might even be interested in creating some humanity somewhere else.

You're right about technology making humanity obsolete. That's why humans will become technology.

And this is SOOO not what the thread is about. We've gone off track. It's my fault entirely. I'm going to bed now. Join me?
Fry_B

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« Reply #344 on: 11-16-2006 01:48 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
... I'm going to bed now. Join me?

I though you said we'll be just friends  smile

And it's not really off-track, it has to do with how people can relate Fry's situation to their own, so it's in the scope of the thread...


coldangel

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« Reply #345 on: 11-16-2006 03:57 »

Eeep, I was talking to any1else...  tongue

Yeah, that's right - living in the future. Yes, I'd be into it. Each new chapter of human history would be an all new adventure. It wouldn't get boring - too many things keep changing. As I said, I'm a futurist, so the march of progress will never become tiresome to me.
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« Reply #346 on: 11-16-2006 05:47 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:

But to take a less diabolical angle (grudgingly) I will explain why immortality in this age wouldn't be boring in the slightest. A thousand years ago the progress of human civilization was on a pretty straight line, and an immortal at that time would get pretty tired pretty quickly. See the world, fight in various wars. See the world again... not much changing. Now it's different. We're sitting on an exponential curve of development where each year brings new wonders - we're about to expand out to the stars. I can see a future looming above us of infinately greater mass and diversity than that which lies in the past. There'll be new worlds, new civilizations... humanity is about to come into its own... and who wouldn't want to be around for it? To watch the species come of age... meet new intelligences... become a Godlike cyborg... see the Universe... Shag hot alien chicks... subtlely work your way into the upper echalons of human government and direct the course of history... I sure would. And I'm going to.

I am sorry, I have the feeling human history is rather circular. However since time cannot go back, history is a spiral. I mean human history, but did you know there is a theory that the Universe itself could be cyclically shrinking and expanding, given there were enough matter to make it implode? That means EVERYHTING is cyclic.

So being eternal, you would see more of the same. People and nations will never learn, in time they will make the same mistakes (in various shapes and flavours but still the same), they will have wars over the same stupid reasons and so on... So on becoming a lot smarter in time you would see the pattern and get bored...to death - although that would be unfortunately impossible since you would be immortal  smile Have you seen 'Highlander' - the first movie was good, the sequel was horrible - but for the idea I mean... Forever young, I want to be forever young / Do you really want to live forever, forever and ever

To come back to the theme, the question was whether you would like to travel to the future - for you it would be like an instant - not to live all the way into the future. But you perverted that question into immortality / being a God and I was sucked into that  hmpf

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« Reply #347 on: 11-16-2006 06:04 »
« Last Edit on: 11-16-2006 06:04 by coldangel_1 »

That's the Big Bang/Big Crush version of Universe theory. With the addition of hypothetical Dark Matter there would be enough mass to make it feasible. Still, it wouldn't be the SAME Universe each time - infinite variability brings infinite variables; chaos theory; it stands to reason.
Humans won't actually be humans for very much longer, so established precedents for human behaviour will soon go out the window and all bets will be off. It's likely we'll divide into numerous different permutations of post-human life; cybernetic, genetic, and energy-based. Just a diverse assortment of intelligent entities no longer tied to the pre-programed biological barbarity of the past.
What I mean is, we're getting quite close to breaking out of the cycle you described.

And anyway, if I get bored with the way things are, I could always go to sleep for a thousand years until things are different.

I know the Highlander saga well. The original movie/novel was actually based on my life.
Actual physical immortality as you're implying it is actually pretty much impossible. You would need to be INVINCIBLE for that to be practical, and that just can't happen unless you ascend to a quantum energy state... and even then it's possible your waveform could be cancelled out. When I speak of immortality I mean the absence of a natural lifespan. You could still be vapourized in an H-Bomb, for example, like my Uncle was.

I do tend to pervert things and people. My bad. But it would be nicer to live through to the future rather than be unceremoniously dumped into it IMO. Either way though... I'll probably become a cryo-sleeper in later life anyway because the technology for me to ascend to an immortal post-human state likely won't exist soon enough to suit my plans... although lifespans are being extended more and more... we'll see what happens. I'm pinning a lot of hope on the field of nanotechnology.
The future is more immediate than the past. The past is gone, but the future is always coming.
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« Reply #348 on: 11-16-2006 08:39 »

TOMORROW!  TOMORROW!
I LOVE YOU,
TOMORROW!
YOU'RE ALLLL-WAAAYYYS
A DAY A-....
WAAAAAYYYYYYY!
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« Reply #349 on: 11-16-2006 09:33 »

Scruffy: "Second."
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« Reply #350 on: 11-16-2006 10:29 »
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Hermes: "Very well,I nominate the Professor"
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« Reply #351 on: 11-16-2006 17:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
TOMORROW!  TOMORROW!
I LOVE YOU,
TOMORROW!
YOU'RE ALLLL-WAAAYYYS
A DAY A-....
WAAAAAYYYYYYY!

Shiny, I thought you got frozen by your own future self and we'd see you in about a thousand years.. I know, I know... you can always hope more, cover your ears and go 'blah-blah-blah'...
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« Reply #352 on: 11-16-2006 19:55 »

I did.  This IS my future self.  I've taken over my own past life in order to become filthy stinking rich.  You see, I've memorized the winning Lottery Power Ball numbers for the $552,000,000.00 in 2016...which is the year I was supposed to come back, but there were some calibration issues.  Now I just have to dupe around for ten years, play the numbers, and then I'll be the fortieth richest woman on Earth.

It's taking some adjustment, though.  Man, I forgot how much keyboards suck.  Anyone feel like inventing nerve fields early?  No?  Rats.

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« Reply #353 on: 11-16-2006 20:22 »
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Originally posted by Shiny:
I did.  This IS my future self.  I've taken over my own past life in order to become filthy stinking rich.  You see, I've memorized the winning Lottery Power Ball numbers for the $552,000,000.00 in 2016...which is the year I was supposed to come back, but there were some calibration issues.  Now I just have to dupe around for ten years, play the numbers, and then I'll be the fortieth richest woman on Earth.

It's taking some adjustment, though.  Man, I forgot how much keyboards suck.  Anyone feel like inventing nerve fields early?  No?  Rats.



I Knew It ! There was something different about you... subtle but present nevertheless... was it those futuristis sunglasses ? (ahh no, that was FutureHomer!!)
I bet you'll forget the numbers, just when you will have to play...

Capt'n, have you Yahoo-ed lately - or is that just a decoy? A crew member (good friend of mine - hehe) had a question and I told him to send it there.

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« Reply #354 on: 11-16-2006 20:37 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
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I know the Highlander saga well. The original movie/novel was actually based on my life....

Well the movie sequel sucked worse than a black hole - did you sell the rights? Also can you pls kill opponents more often - we need more rain here...

 
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... I'll probably become a cryo-sleeper in later life anyway ... I'm pinning a lot of hope on the field of nanotechnology....

As long as there is a ray of hope...

And.... [drrrumroll] we are again off-topic !  mad
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« Reply #355 on: 11-16-2006 22:09 »

Endgame was good, although the younger lad from the spinoff series killed the character that was supposed to be me. I thought that part rather stank. But yes, I did sell the rights back in the 70s so I have no say whatsoever.

Nudge back on-topic:

The the first episode Leela seems quite tender and almost maternalistic with Fry, but in the second (Series has Landed) she's already taken to making snide remarks about him and getting easily fed up. Knee-jerk reaction against feelings of genuine affection?
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« Reply #356 on: 11-17-2006 03:49 »

She was just mothering him in to the future, and then once that was done it was "Right, you're here now and you're going to be one of us."
Don't forget, you're here forever.
I dunno, maybe she does it without meaning to. I know I do. I get pretty bossy when I know what I'm doing and how it should be done. Then I feel like a dickhead for acting like an arse to my friends..."Damnit, you're older than me and you have NO common sense about things what-so-ever. THIS is how it should be done. Go watch TV, I'll be done in a sec."
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« Reply #357 on: 11-17-2006 04:06 »

*snort*

Yes, I notice that about you.  tongue
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« Reply #358 on: 11-17-2006 04:22 »

Just be glad you aren't Cand.
In fact, let's all be glad we're not Cand.  tongue

"Who's Cand?"
Bah, off the topic plane again.
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« Reply #359 on: 11-17-2006 05:15 »

 
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The the first episode Leela seems quite tender and almost maternalistic with Fry, but in the second (Series has Landed) she's already taken to making snide remarks about him and getting easily fed up. Knee-jerk reaction against feelings of genuine affection?

I see two types opf reasons:

1) trivial and real world ones - that we don;t want to consider but are there:
-> it was a pilot - it had to have a bit of everything, (including early tickles reminding of love) to win people over
-> eps written by different people or with input from different people
-> etc

2) Futurama world (now that's what we want!) reasons:
-> Leela was a 26-30 yr old woman that grew up as an orphan... you know the story and her demons on being important, being average... Then she became a wage slave (pointer present here!) on a boring job and ... well you saw her boss (he kinda looked / talked like Apu didn't he  smile ). She was yearning for something else (better probably, but firstly else), whether she was aware of it or not. Fry, as an atypical defrostee that refused his career chip and the ensuing events simply brought that secret desire forward. She said so too. So I believe in the Pilot she was first and foremost grateful to Fry for making her realise she was locked in a boring life and giving her the pretext to throw it all away.
How typical her pre-Fry situation of many of us? Well, again it is age-related - (BTW I feel that because of that I may have a different perspective to some toher younger PEELers - sometimes I wonder if I make sense at all to them)... I can say that humans get used to things no matter how bad, so you lock yourself into a lukewarm situation, sort-of-Ok job, even sort-of-Ok partner... until something happens that makes you realise some ogf the things you are used to actually stink. So the call is from destiny; will you accept the charges?(ok that's paraphrased from Simpsons and it's funny because it's true)

Anyway... so she was deeply grateful to Fry BUT she also liked Fry. I do not believe it was love at first sight - neither for Leela nor for Fry . But how ColdAngel put it several pages ago, destiny can dio impossible things - such as (possibly!) bring people together over millennia. (What's destiny ? Ha, now that's a question)

I guess the obvious part of that gratitude wore off in the second episode. But that initial positive start and her liking of Fry's boyish charm would gradually lead to LOVE - Leela style. That is, safely, gradually, rationally... with sudden surges of desperate love when destiny chooses to endanger her (future and deeply) beloved man. Who DARES say otherwise ?

So there...
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