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coldangel

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« Reply #240 on: 11-11-2006 01:26 »

Well... The Shao-Lin Buddhists are pretty cool, I have to admit.
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« Reply #241 on: 11-11-2006 05:33 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:

It's sickening. Everyone in the world is absolutely pissweak except me.
[...insert bloated, pustulent stuff here. Mix thoroughly. Add juuuust a pinch of talent (genius?). Ahhh - did everything taste ColdAngel for a second ?]

We're off-track. Fry & Leela blah blah... something... romance... yadda yadda.

ColdAngel my man (figuratively, I know you mentioned in that survey that you love Fry but not in the gay way), you really summed it up - down to Earth. I wonder if the thread should be called

Deep Down: Fry & Leela blah blah... something... romance... yadda yadda.

aaaahhh... shoo shweeet...
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« Reply #242 on: 11-11-2006 05:40 »

Haha... I dunno if you were being sarcastic, but it was funny anyway  big grin
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« Reply #243 on: 11-11-2006 06:20 »
« Last Edit on: 11-11-2006 06:20 »

                 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
People can't worry about their mental, emotional, or spiritual state while their body's needs aren't meant. That's the whole concept behind Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

The (or an) interesting question is: is that Pyramid validated in Leela's situation ? Look especially at Esteem and Love / Belonging... The Pyramid's user's manual says something like do not move to the next level before you have satisfied most of the lower ones

[EDIT] BTW I have tried to get the goddamn pyramid pic to display directly - it works in the preview but not in the message - PAH and I'm supposed to be an expert in that - ohhh I can't be bothered to debug it at this hour

 
Irrespective of that though, I'd say Leela's Homeworld, although not often listed by fans as a favourite, is probably Leela's favourite and it has definitely pushed her up through the pyramid levels...


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« Reply #244 on: 11-11-2006 07:06 »

 
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Originally posted by any1else:
Besides, peoples' problems are entertaining. We wouldn't be here if we weren't interested/amused by the problems they attached to fictional people on the telly-vision.

Yesss... That is an interesting question. WHY are we here ? This could be an interesting poll (was there one on this topic?), but it would also defeat the purpose by restricting the choice to a limited number of options.

So... why are you here?

Can Fry_B start? No? Too late, Fry_B is already here, he is  big grin. Ok, well I just quote myself from the first post:

"I have created this thread hoping that it will help me - and you - reason about, and better understand what lies beneath the characters of Fry and Leela, and the powerful feelings that bind them. Deeper analysis [...] may help us all understand ourselves... since really, this is about us" (Fry_B, 2006).

If you prefer a shorter (and better) version:

 "...debating the intricacies of the relationships of fictional cartoon characters [...] sort of like self-exploration by proxy" (Shiny, also 2006)

or a very compelling version, I must admit:

"I don't debate intricacies)[...]  I just have some time to kill between shifts"
(ColdAngel_X, a.g. 2006)


What about you?
AppleTea, Cyberphobia, any1else, jle1993, ...all others that fly through this thread ?
coldangel

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« Reply #245 on: 11-11-2006 07:09 »

I don't actually know why I'm here. I just like the show. That's enough of an explanation for me.
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« Reply #246 on: 11-11-2006 07:22 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
What problems? Nobody in our world has any problems - everything's provided for us. What are all these monumental issues that we're apparently all suffering from? Because it seems to me the whole thing's been invented for the purpose of selling those self-help books you speak of and couch sessions with head-shrinking quacks (Capitalism strikes again). Where are they, these supposed monumeltal problems? What do they stem from? People in our world are safe and secure. What the hell is everyone's damn problem? We live in the lap of luxury so what are we bitching about? Are we so bored that we have to MAKE UP imaginary psychological crap so that we have an obstacle to overcome, even if it is just a promulgated phantasm?
There is no bear....

The pyramid, CA. THE PYRAMID! We must be believing the lower levels are all satisfied and we're at the top. But alas, I fear the foundation we have used to climb to the top level is rather hollow...[ominously howling - Farnsworth-like, but more disturbing] Oooohhh, the Pyramid !!
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« Reply #247 on: 11-11-2006 07:32 »

Fuckin' pyramids can bite my glorious golden arse. They're symbols of sun-worship, Freemasonry, and an illuminati plot for global domination. I'll stick with circles thank you very much.

As for that particular one... I'll blow my nose on it. All it says is that when people have satisfied their **real** needs, they have to then make up **pretend** 'needs' so they can still feel unfulfilled. Idiots.
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« Reply #248 on: 11-11-2006 08:25 »

In Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs? I did this in school when looking on how to research target audiences, like you wouldn't try to sell a porche in the Congo n stuff.

Surely though once one has satisfied his/her/it's needs the rest becomes egotistical.  Buying huge expensive cars, and incredible TV and sound systems is just plain showing off.  Yes I have a laptop, but it is needed to contact you fine folks and my friends back home, otherwise they'd have to wait to see the news to find out what's going on out here and if I'm coming home in a box or not at all.  I mean why buy a house with 17 bathrooms (Lionel Richie) if it's just you and the misses?? Even if you were to have a party to satisfy your ego, most clubs with 300 people have only 4 toilet blocks, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU NEED 17 FOR!!?

People who buy things they don't need, they just want them coz they feel it makes em look good, how bout coming out here and seeing that none of that is important, and finding out what a problem really is!
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« Reply #249 on: 11-11-2006 08:27 »

'King oath.
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« Reply #250 on: 11-11-2006 08:32 »
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Wha? What's 'King oath supposed to mean?   confused
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« Reply #251 on: 11-11-2006 08:33 »

Fucking oath.

...Australianism... I'm agreeing vehemently.
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« Reply #252 on: 11-11-2006 08:36 »

Ohh....kay.  Only been to Australia once, saw most of New South Wales (cool name coz I'm from Wales), couldn't really understand you guys then either  big grin
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« Reply #253 on: 11-11-2006 08:38 »

Yeah, we're a bunch of incomprehensible slurring louts, but it's mainly a facade to conceal our true diabolical brilliance.
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« Reply #254 on: 11-11-2006 08:42 »

True Diabolical Brilliance eh?  What the most EVIL thing you've done?
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« Reply #255 on: 11-11-2006 08:45 »

@Shiny

 
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To Fry_B:

I did sneak on a computer at mid-day to drop that last little note at coldangel...I hope I deleted enough that they can't tell I did it later...ah, intellectual sparring, how I love it...it's like a drug!    wink  I would have gone on longer this morning if I hadn't been under a deadline (my boss wasn't there today, luckily, and for once she didn't call to make sure we were all there on time...though she'll ream me out, I'm sure, the next time she looks through our timesheets...    roll eyes ).

A helluva boss  frown Have you considered (high or not) education ? Flat organisation ? Be your own boss ? (Ok except the head of school and PVC)? Less money but no timesheets and more freedom ? Ok I admit I'm making it sound sweeter - and you can be your own very mean boss

 
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If I'd had more time, I would have apologized more [...] I look at my morning post now and think some phrases sound much too "flip," which I certainly would have toned down in the rewrite to more adequately express the respect for your ideas which I honestly do feel, but don't always express adequately (I learned to debate at home in family fights.  Doesn't always lead to the best habits... )
Apologize more ?? NO! Look, No Problem. I am the same (a lot more than you think in fact). I tend to answer / post impulsively, when really I should read them again first, and so on...family fights...same... what can I say more (embarrassed sigh)... missing delta brainwave - same...(oh no)

 
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... there are plenty of people who approach fanfic as a form of play, or as interaction with other fans, or as a medium into which they project whatever ideas they want to explore.

I am new to fanfic...but I like what I see, Maybe one day I'll have enough courage to write one [looking away in the sunset, short hair waving, some inspiring music playing, sort of like Luke Skywalker looking at the two-sun sunset - you get the picture]

 
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...I AM old fashioned (I listened to oldies stations in my teens)..

I listen to a station for over 60s now, go figure... and I am not in my teens AFAIK!
 
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  So please bear in mind that my ideas are going to be biased in the direction of "faithful to the series" most of the time....This doesn't make it the ONLY valid approach, and please forgive me (or slap me with a large trout) (or both, not necessarily in that order) if I start talking like it is.

Shiny...stop it!  You make me feel bad... and good! and funny inside (worms??) smile C'mon, now I'm anxious and don't know what to say anymore. I believe the word is tolerance above all... I bet the age, background, etc profile of the PEELers (should we ever get to know it) is extremely varied, maybe from sick to (cold)angelic  smile Bah, enough preaching...

 
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Anyway, thank you very much for the compliments...and I am more complimented than I had time to say this morning that my story led you to PEEL.

Playing on people's emotions like on a piano... now who said that and in relation to what (well Shiny?) No, I was not doing that (and not doing it now) - that really happened while I was still jittery from the finale of the Devil's Hands.
 
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I'm enjoying your posts immensely and appreciative of the (pun intended, I guess) depths you've brought to the subject of Fry and Leela shippery lately.  I hope you take many more interesting dives into new waters.
[Jaw drops] Aaahhh ! That does it. Do you really want to start asking you if that Robot Devil did something to your mind - some sort of hypnotic, brainwashing nanobot  smile


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« Reply #256 on: 11-11-2006 08:50 »

The most evil thing I've done, eh?
Ha, I probably shouldn't say.
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« Reply #257 on: 11-11-2006 08:54 »

Ah go on.

*chukles to himself*

something awful!
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« Reply #258 on: 11-11-2006 08:56 »

Well... when I was 12, I killed my best friend.
Took him down by the creek and bashed his skull in with a rock  laff
I made it look like he'd fallen from the tree.
Hahaha.


...Dunno why I did it.
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« Reply #259 on: 11-11-2006 09:10 »

You can't be serious, that aint evil, that's just a slight homicidal tendancy.  If you'd made him beg for his life, give you all his stuff THEN killed him it would've been better, trust me, killing someone aint a biggy.

I set my neighbours house on fire with a firework, it was his fault, he wouldn't give back the golf ball that went through his window. "I didn't know there was petrol in there officer, and I didn't aim it, it were bonfire night and it went astray, I would have called you out, but the dancing flames and screems of pain hypnotised me.  HONEST.  Now give me back my lighter"
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« Reply #260 on: 11-11-2006 09:14 »

Hehehe...
Okay, evil... as a small evil (a real one) I once caught and crushed a mouse in my bare hand.
Furry critters are cuter than humans.
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« Reply #261 on: 11-11-2006 09:17 »

DUDE!! How could you do such a thing!

*Breaks down a sobs uncontrollably*

Waaaahhaaaahaaaabwaaaa.

Mickey.... MICKEY!
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« Reply #262 on: 11-11-2006 09:21 »

It ate my noodles and shat behind my microwave. There was a personal vendetta.
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« Reply #263 on: 11-11-2006 09:24 »

Ah REVENGE, well that kinda makes it ok.  Not considered EVIL though is it, justifying the reason why, if you did it on a whim it would've been horrid.

*Mwuhuhuhuhuhuh*
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« Reply #264 on: 11-11-2006 10:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
So... why are you here?
I'm here because this is where procrastination from something supposedly 'important' has lead me.  big grin And that's the end of that chapter.


Hmm...That pyramid thing looks confusing. Wait, I get it...okay, that's a good theory to know I suppose. Although it doesn't seem that difficult to figure out....you can't think without energy so you need to eat and drink and fart before you can do anything, and once you start doing things other people come into play, and you have to look at how you're interacting and what you want out of that interaction...okay I'm just looking at this in terms of children because I'm supposed to be qualified to teach those things in a couple of years (Aha, so I'm not procrastinating! Much  hmpf I pay attention when it counts)...seems like common sense pushed into a triangle to make it sound professional and smell nice. But that's what I say about a lot of theories.
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« Reply #265 on: 11-11-2006 12:40 »
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Okay.  Just to clear up a few points, this is Maslow’s “pyramid,” presented upside-down (because we read top to bottom   wink ), slightly condensed by me for brevity:

1) PHYSIOLOGICAL NEEDS: breathing, food, water, sex, sleep
2) SAFETY NEEDS: security of the body, of employment, of resources, family, health, property
3) LOVE/BELONGING: friendship, family, sexual intimacy
4) ESTEEM: self-esteem, confidence, achievement, respect
5) SELF ACTUALIZATION: ethics, creativity, spontaneity, tolerance, altruism, love of life

(...and, the one not in the picture, but mentioned in the text of the article....)

6) SELF TRANSCENDENCE: spiritual growth, transcending the ego

Notice, at no point does Maslow’s pyramid imply that luxury cars, big TV’s, or seventeen bathrooms is a “human need.”  Conspicuous consumption is NOT “fulfilling needs;” it’s an addiction, like alcohol or drugs, and it comes when we mis-focus on a cultural symbol of a non-tangible value (like the “success” of visible wealth) rather than the actual value or virtue that it represents (the confidence of honest achievement). 

Now, you might think that “esteem,” “respect,” and “intimacy” are not really NEEDS.  But the fact is that homo sapiens evolved to be emotional, self-aware, socially-interacting animals, and “emotional needs” are all part of that.  We feel them as needs because we evolved to do so, and we are physically made so that we cannot be content if those “needs” go unmet.  Now, we don’t have to pursue them in the pyramidal order...people who (for example) join a Buddhist monastery are trying to skip right to #6 at the tip of the pyramid, and if you can manage it, that’s fine.  The pyramid structure is just a general guide (like the stages of grief - denial, bargaining, acceptance, etc. - which can be faced in any order, and can be repeated multiple times before you’re “through” them).  But in general, that’s the order we experience them in.  But there IS something in our very nature that drives us to move “upward” in some way, if we possibly can.

(And any1else, you are entirely correct - it IS mostly common sense.  Most “great ideas” are.  And from this and other posts with similar dead-on insight, I suspect you’ll be a great teacher in a couple of years.   smile )

The “narrowing” of the pyramid means that Maslow recognized that some “needs” are more urgent, more vital, than others.  Fenix, you have my extreme sympathy - it sucks to be where you are, and I totally wish you weren’t there.  Living in real mortal fear is an awful, painful, stressful place to be.  And yes, a good dose of physical terror would shake some complacent rich folks out of their tunnel-visioned, self-centric viewpoints. 

But it is possible for even Westerners to get a taste of this: victims of crime or disaster come face to face with it, and a child in an abusive household can suffer daily mortal fear, even in the middle of the safest, wealthiest town in the world.

Most people who try to “fix” their problems are trying because they realize that a bigger car or TV aren’t going to make them feel any better for more than a couple of days...in fact, they’ve discovered that even REAL achievement (like creating something good, or helping others) doesn’t give them any confidence or self-respect.  They realize that somehow the connection between what they do and what they think/feel has gotten broken or crossed, and they want to uncross it.

Of course it’s inappropriate to feel constant terror if you’re comfortably situated in a safe, prosperous Western country, with no real needs going unmet.  But some people still feel it, and they don’t know why.  Some of them have even experienced real physical terror, and they know they really have it good, but somehow that doesn’t make the “causeless” terror go away, or make it any easier to confront or avoid; and it prevents them from doing things they want to do, and should, by all rights, be able to do.  So they start looking into themselves, frantically searching for some way to get their “wires uncrossed,” so that then they can feel what is appropriate to their real circumstances and act the way they honestly choose.  Because the human animal just can’t rest if upward movement is at all possible.

Coldangel, if prosperous self-indulgence angers you so much, have you thought about channelling that passion into helping those who lack such luxuries? Doctors Without Borders, the Red Cross, Refugees International, the Women’s Assistance Fund...if solving “real” problems is the only activity you think worthwhile, there are plenty of organizations who need people and resources to do just that.  Otherwise, I’m afraid your anger and indignation will go nowhere, and become just a facade, no more meaningful and no less self-indulgent than any New-Age-crystal-gazer, Spirit-Quest-poser, channelled-alien-guru-follower’s rambling tales of their own past lives.  (And then I'll have to hire those sweet little old ladies.... )

But perhaps, like Leela, you just need a way to serve the community that incorporates your violence....

And that brings us back to the neglected topic of this thread...I’m as guilty as the next guy (and coldangel is the next guy   tongue ), but could we possibly try to talk more about Fry and Leela, and less about pustulent Western culture and the killing of small helpless mammals?    cry


Shiny "Someone Stop Me Before I Pontificate Again" J. Fangirl

...also, "Deep Down: Fry & Leela blah blah... something... romance... yadda yadda" should sooo be the name of the sequel thread, when this one hits 20 pages.    big grin
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« Reply #266 on: 11-11-2006 19:30 »

Shiny. Currently I look after intellectually disabled people for a living.
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« Reply #267 on: 11-11-2006 19:53 »

That's funny, I just look intellectually disabled
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« Reply #268 on: 11-11-2006 19:59 »

I'll wipe your chin for you.
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« Reply #269 on: 11-11-2006 21:01 »
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Shiny. Currently I look after intellectually disabled people for a living.

Awww, I should have known...a hard, scary shell, but wrapped around a kind, goodhearted center.   smile

Fry_B is right...you really ARE an interesting fellow...complex as a Joss Whedon character (I mean that in the best possible way).  Though I do hope you'll relax the hard shell part a bit, at least around here in the shippy threads....

 ...(and perhaps go a little easier on the mice who cross your path in the future...? :slightly wincing, but hopeful grin: )

 
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« Reply #270 on: 11-11-2006 21:24 »

Okay...
But to be more accurate, I'm a hard scary shell wrapped around a kind goodhearted shell, which is wrapped around another hard scary shell, which is in turn wrapped around a rich caramel centre.
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« Reply #271 on: 11-11-2006 21:39 »

The best centers ARE caramel.  wink

~~~~~

And Fry_B, I haven't forgotten about your last post.  Don't worry, no nanobots here; just me, no fear.  (I do have a tendency to pop off, and then apologize later, just ask around...  roll eyes ) I shall post later, hopefully with some on topic(!) subject matter, but right now I'm a bit headachy (migraine weather.  Bleah. ). 

Ta, all....

Shiny
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« Reply #272 on: 11-12-2006 04:46 »
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I'm actually a bit worried this thread may appear to become inaccessible due to 'complex' issues being discussed (see Apple Tea's post a while ago). That would be a shame... let me say that I feel dwarved by Shiny's (and sometimes ColdAngel's too, yeah CA, don't stare and grin) posts, but I then get a vodka, sit down, read it through again, shiver (  smile ) and ... well deal with it !

[EDIT] And get another!

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« Reply #273 on: 11-12-2006 04:55 »
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I dunno, I just feel that it's mostly coldangel, shiny, and you Fry_B doing the deep analyzing stuff, I mean I understand it all it's just that I feel I gots nothing to contribute.

And I'm fine with that, it's nice reading all youse guy's theories and whatnot.
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« Reply #274 on: 11-12-2006 05:16 »
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I dunno, I just feel that it's mostly coldangel, shiny, and you Fry_B doing the deep analyzing stuff, I mean I understand it all it's just that I feel I gots nothing to contribute.

And I'm fine with that, it's nice reading all youse guy's theories and whatnot.

Have you tried the vodka fix   smile It helps!

[EDIT] Let me state that I do not, by all means, endorse a particular brand of vodka... errr.. where was I ? Oh yes !... not endorse drinking while PEELing.

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« Reply #275 on: 11-12-2006 05:52 »
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And Fry_B, I haven't forgotten about your last post.  Don't worry, no nanobots here; just me, no fear. 

(I do have a tendency to pop off, and then apologize later, just ask around...    roll eyes )

We all do. In fact, it is hard to keep posting in PEEL every day, for years and years... We grow up, we change, we move on (maybe)... Sometimes it is just infatuation (or a way to deal with other problems) and then it goes away in a few weeks / months, or you just don't have the time anymore (esp. for posts where Brain is required   smile ) Keeping it constant but maybe less flamboyant (yeah we sure were flamboyant   smile ) ensures continuity... and that you will return. Of course, with the 2008 episodes and (who knows) DVD movies, lots of people will return - I expect all the Gods with DOOP secretary ratings (of course at his post rate, ColdAngel will be one of them in 2 weeks at most - hehe) to show themselves to us bending units, delivery boys and starship captains...

 
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I shall post later, hopefully with some on topic(!) subject matter, but right now I'm a bit headachy...

You sure no nanobots there ? Ok... but don't come back in a thousand summers...
Disclaimer: nanobots, brainwashing, thousands of summers are not intended as canon references (and you Shiny, should know that better than anyone   wink)

Get well soon
Then, we'll back back to analyzing this...well, cartoon.
(Gawd, I suck at rhymes)
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« Reply #276 on: 11-12-2006 06:06 »

 
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Okay...
But to be more accurate, I'm a hard scary shell wrapped around a kind goodhearted shell, which is wrapped around another hard scary shell, which is in turn wrapped around a rich caramel centre.


Now how about a hint on how girls can get to the caramel area without bouncing on the scaries? (Aaaawww, how shweet)

No, we're not off-topic, don't go yadda-yadda - Fry would dearly like to know how to get through to Leela's caramel without getting all banged up and bounce back from all the hard shells she has wrapped herself in. Looks like 1) impressing her and / or 2) doing something artsy would pierce Leela's shells.

Well, he's boned.


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« Reply #277 on: 11-12-2006 06:15 »

I'm only verbose when I can be bothered. Usually I can't be arsed unless I'm writing a work of fiction.

And speaking of fiction...

There was discussion a while back in one of the two <total wanker> threads about how Leela acted differently when she was changed into a teenager, right down to happily going on a date with Fry. It got me thinking about how people change with age, how they themselves become less a conduit of their own desires than an obstacle in the path of said desire. We become so hardened...
The chain of thought reminded me of something I wrote in my novel in regard to the mental descent of the main character... which I shall now quote in a monumental display of brazen arrogence and self-promotion:

  'Human life is a frail, ephemeral thing…
  ...As we who have died know well.
  There are so many degrees of death, like shades of grey; infinitesimal changes in tone that lead, imperceptibly, toward black. And that blackness sits at the end, the true death; visceral, unsubtle, undignified – the physical conclusion which, to some, is little more than a pedantic technicality tagged on for the sake of tidiness.
  We die so many times, little deaths mourned only by ourselves in lonely places, quiet and detached. They are the deaths of beliefs, of ideologies once held so tightly; deaths of innocence that we only discover once it has been trampled, bloody and torn, into the dirt. There are deaths of fear, like the very fear of death itself vanished in an instant to be replaced by a cold, remorseless indifference.
  One by one, parts of us die, chipped away by the chisel of time and circumstance. We are gradually whittled down with the death of each portion of ourselves, becoming ever less like the person we started out as.

  But then there are rebirths...


-Evans, J. 'SILHOUETTES', 2006, Unpublished.


Leela's been whittled down to a brittle nub of a person. But there is still hope.
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« Reply #278 on: 11-12-2006 06:32 »

 
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There was discussion a while back in one of the two <total wanker> threads about how Leela acted differently when she was changed into a teenager...

Oi, what's with the <total wanker> thread stuff mate ? Where the bloody caramel?

Yes we do harden - what does not kill you makes you harder they say, although you may get quite sick in the process, i.e. some of the experiences scar you (yes I know you're scarred, you've told me, that's physical, I meant The Other  smile ). So you 'harden' but in fact I'm sure piecemeal weaknesses are present.

So, Leela had 'hardened' when maturing, BUT she has soft spots that she may or may not know about. Example: the (according to some sources) central reason on why Leela did it with Mr Velour, i.e. softspot number X: loneliness - actually, sympathy on being lonely. A tunnel through all the shells, if you like, straight to the caramel.

Ready to demolish my theory? Ok, GO !


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« Reply #279 on: 11-12-2006 06:53 »
« Last Edit on: 11-12-2006 06:53 by coldangel_1 »

No theories are illegitimate. If it's a theory it has yet to be proven or disproven. I don't make a habit of demolishing them when there's no evidence to say who's right or wrong (and when dealing with a fictional character there never will be).

Hardening isn't necessarily strengthening. Hardening makes a person rigid (no erection jokes!!) and unable to to move, to flex and adapt. They become trapped in old ideas and outdated insecurities; encased in a brittle crust of fear.

Yes, she's a sympathetic character. If Fry was a lot smarter and a lot less moral about things he'd probably use that chink in Leela's armour in order to get some sweet cyclops booty. Try on the "boo hoo, I'm so lonely" routine, just like Captain miniskirt. It'd probably work even better with him because Leela's already fond of the orange-haired git.
But, since he is both an idiot and a person with decent morals (the two things are often linked), he would never knowingly take advantage of that empathetic weakness of hers.
I might... but I'm evil.
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