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coldangel

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« Reply #120 on: 11-07-2006 03:56 »

Eugh... What!?     hmpf
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« Reply #121 on: 11-07-2006 05:14 »
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Eugh... What!?       hmpf

(Ready to point to ColdAngel and say 'Burn!'...but then ...).. Eugh...Whaaat ?!    frown
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« Reply #122 on: 11-07-2006 06:06 »
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Originally posted by Shiny in Lovenasium - about why Leela was so 'insensitive' towards Fry in the Chaz episode
People who are excited and happy can come off as insensitive at times because they're so giddy with their own happiness that they might miss seeing someone else's sadness.
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You know, I almost believe you ... she was so happy someone really liked her... that she was walking on sunshine, not seeing Fry's misery...

...But no. I can't believe. Since Parasites Lost she knew what Fry felt for her. The worms were not really perverting his mind and made him say impossible things - but rather helping him express himself ! Come On! He even said that (the 'peanut butter' thing). So she knew.

Question to the female shippers (only because Leela is female): When a man declares his love for you, do you forget that fact easily, whether you like him or not ? Can you just supress it ?

My view of Leela depends on the answer to that question.
 
 
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« Reply #123 on: 11-07-2006 06:18 »

WHOH!!! What a question, surely they can't just dismiss it, or maybe they can, but they can't can they?! To feel, or not to feel, that is the question.
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« Reply #124 on: 11-07-2006 06:47 »

Ummm well you don't exactly forget it but if you don't love him back, you try to suppress it.

There's this guy who keeps asking me out who I only like as a friend and I find that I often dread talking to him because I'm scared he'll ask me out again which is really awkward and I feel really bad making up excuses. But Leela seems to hang around Fry more, even though he keeps asking her out so she probably likes the attention. So she possibly doesn't try so much to suppress it. So in conclusion, I have no idea because me and Leela are totally differant people. I really have no idea what I'm talking about.

I think you're better off listening to a female shipper other than me.
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« Reply #125 on: 11-07-2006 06:49 »

In my experience a lot of women assume that men's emotions are a lot shallower and more transient than theirs, so they can be easily dismissed.
I don't complain about that though - I don't like making a fuss about feelings anyway.
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« Reply #126 on: 11-07-2006 07:04 »

Well yeah, lads arn't your typical cwtch n cuddle people, we tend to hide our feelings, or blast them out in one go to a confidente.  But be honest, tell them how you feel, if you just want to be friends let them know, say summit like "I appreciate your feelings but I just don't feel that way, but I'm more than happy to be friends" try not to lie to them and if they can't accept your true self then they aint worth your time.  Of course, I'm stuck where there isn't a bikini for 800 miles, but my men sometimes go on about the girls back home.  Tell them the truth, stop hiding it or they'll never know.
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« Reply #127 on: 11-07-2006 07:07 »

Do you think Fry's gonna take it well if Leela says "I appreciate your feelings but I just don't feel that way, but I'm more than happy to be friends"? I didn't think so.
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« Reply #128 on: 11-07-2006 07:11 »

Well yeah, at least he'd know what was up, it wouldn't change how he felt, but atleast he'd know how she felt.
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« Reply #129 on: 11-07-2006 07:11 »
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I intentionally sabotage any relationship I form because I don't want to end up tied down with an encumbering weight of commitment or the expectation of what can only be described as servitude. Every married couple I know is miserable.
Also, the ultimate logical purpose of any romantic entanglement is procreation, and since I have no intention of ever having children (I thumb my nose at genetic imperitive) that means a long-term relationship is pointless for me and unfair to the woman in question as she (normally) will want children.
Thus truth is only a complication that mucks up an otherwise uncomplicated life.

Leela did acknowledge his feelings in TKOS, and failed to return them.
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« Reply #130 on: 11-07-2006 07:23 »

Ah? But is she holding feelings for him? Was she being honest? Either way she holds something there, the episode with the worms is proof of that.

I agree with the fact that MOST women want children, I myself would love to have kids someday, I mean it's slave labour really, who's gonna fetch me my beer or mow the lawn when I get old (or too lazy) huh?! Love and marriage is a wonderfull thing, if it works.  I know several guys who are married and they aint even 23 yet! Some of them, you can stand back a see that it aint gonna work for long, or maybe last longer than 5 years, but there are those who find their soul mate as it were.  My Dad's having his 30th wedding anniversary at the end of the month, and never once has thier love let up or wavered in the slightest.  It's a good thing.

If it works.
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« Reply #131 on: 11-07-2006 07:32 »

I doubt I'm the type.
I enjoy solitude too much. Having people around me for more than an hour or so starts to grate at my nerves.

As for Leela, I don't think she even knows herself.
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« Reply #132 on: 11-07-2006 07:41 »

I sure someday you'll meet someone who'll be everything you dreamed of, or damn near too it.

But as for Leela, she shows in many episodes that there is summit there for Fry, but she's afraid.  Afraid of what I'm not so sure.
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« Reply #133 on: 11-07-2006 07:46 »
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Hmmph.

She's scared of exposing her own emotional vunerabilities. It's easy for her to go along with guys she barely knows or guys who are clearly pigs, because she has no feelings invested in them. She does with Fry, and that means there's a lot to lose if things go pear-shaped.

It's not a picture thread, but I thought I might as well stick this drawing here. Leela's fear is evident in her face, but she's breaking through it:

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« Reply #134 on: 11-07-2006 07:48 »

Saw it in the other thread, still, cool pic dude.
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« Reply #135 on: 11-07-2006 08:19 »

It seemed relevant.
I was inadvertantly channelling Mulder and Scully in The X-Files movie.
Interesting parallels can be drawn between the two couples though.
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« Reply #136 on: 11-07-2006 08:21 »

Hmmmmm.....

*ponders a while*

You may be on to something there.
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« Reply #137 on: 11-07-2006 08:26 »

Only difference is that with M&S they're just as aloof as each other. Unlike Mulder, Fry is very open about his feelings.
But aside from that, they're the classic tormented frustrating 'will-they/won't-they?' romance dynamic originally pioneered by Bruce and Cybil in 'Moonlighting'... (which, come to think of it, is probably a more apt comparison... but I'm a rabid X-Files fan so I relate everything in the world to TXF.)
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« Reply #138 on: 11-07-2006 08:33 »

Good point, but Scully shows her feeling more openly than Fox, maybe it a kinda role reversal parody thingy going on.

Still, she looked hot in the movie.
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« Reply #139 on: 11-07-2006 08:46 »

Damn straight!  big grin

Scully was more emotive generally, yeah, but I meant in terms of feelings for each other. There was always clear attraction but neither of them ever really opened up about it in even a subtle way until right at the end.
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« Reply #140 on: 11-07-2006 08:49 »

Could you then say maybe, they realised they had a job to do, and that would have MAYBE caused some emotional friction between the two, not in the means of surpassing the other but that the job comes first?
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« Reply #141 on: 11-07-2006 12:06 »
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Hey this a FRY AND LEELA shippiness discussion thread!Right after this turned into the new Looovenasium you two start discussing Mulder and Scully's relationship.Now we THREE are gonna discuss it!
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« Reply #142 on: 11-07-2006 12:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B:
 Question to the female shippers (only because Leela is female): When a man declares his love for you, do you forget that fact easily, whether you like him or not ? Can you just supress it ?
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It depends, if you don't feel the same or you think you don't, and he professed his love under confused conditions, then you'd try your hardest to forget it happened, or that the said guy wasn't serious. You convince yourself that he couldn't have been serious, and you dismiss the proclamation as a lie. Or at least...I do

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« Reply #143 on: 11-07-2006 12:51 »

 
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You know, I almost believe you ... she was so happy someone really liked her... that she was walking on sunshine, not seeing Fry's misery...

...But no. I can't believe. Since Parasites Lost she knew what Fry felt for her. The worms were not really perverting his mind and made him say impossible things - but rather helping him express himself ! Come On! He even said that (the 'peanut butter' thing). So she knew.

Or did she?  She knows he said it...but did the worms help Fry express his feelings, or did they create the feelings in the first place?

Or...Leela saw him instructing Zoidberg in the art of "scoring" by "pretending like you're in love."  So from Leela's POV, the worms could simply have allowed Fry to "pretend" more believably. 

And if he was sincere that he loved her, why did he compare her to Amy (who he dated and dumped with callous abandon)?

If I was Leela, I'd have plenty of doubts about Fry.  WE get to see Fry talking to Bender about Leela, etc.; Leela doesn't.  She doens't know WHAT he says about her when she's not there.

And just because it's been a while since I made a shameless plug of my own stories....

The Other Side of Parasites
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« Reply #144 on: 11-07-2006 13:57 »
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Hhhmm...I actually agree with coldangel about Leela being a cow.If Fry could still play the holophoner she would date him.And about doubts...Well we'll see what happens in the next episodes.If she doesn't have her 'doubts' than well,Fry only had to risc his life for her,stay with her for no reason('no reason' because she was practicaly dead),give away fame and fortune, etc..And if she does than Fry would have to fin that dumbster fron 30% iron chef and buy a sandwitch there(not made by Helmet Spargle,Spargle's wont have stomach worms in them)  wink.
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« Reply #145 on: 11-07-2006 14:02 »

Come on, have some sympathy! One minute Fry's everything she dreamed of and telling her he loves her, the next he's back to normal comparing her to Amy!
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« Reply #146 on: 11-07-2006 15:22 »

I have sympathy!For Fry.He's the one getting hurt.And that is not just hurt,that is tortured!And Leela...Well,she woke up, had a nice day and in the evening she started her 7 o'clock jerk dating.
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« Reply #147 on: 11-07-2006 15:46 »

Shes confused, she doesn't know what she feels, after all the times she been betrayed and bullied of corse she'll be wary! She isn't hurting Fry deliberately, but she isn't sure about him!
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« Reply #148 on: 11-07-2006 16:24 »
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So people, I guess we keep going with two threads in parallel, I just saw there's a new Shipper Thread Part III. I wonder if we can keep this thread more focused, e.g.  take stuff from the Shipper thread and disect it here ? Or just go for it regardless    smile
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« Reply #149 on: 11-07-2006 16:41 »
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Shes confused, she doesn't know what she feels, after all the times she been betrayed and bullied of corse she'll be wary! She isn't hurting Fry deliberately, but she isn't sure about him!

Well as you can see from the previous postings the question is whether she believes that Fry loves her or not... this is the gist of it. If she does, she is mean and nasty to act like that in The Cyberhouse; if she doesn't, she considers Fry a friend and a confident and thus she tells him what she is going to do with Chaz. I have great doubts about the not believing option as females are known to posess a superpower called intuition (which comes without using a cream). Allegedly this allows them to feel someone's feelings if they are intense enough... or so they say (was it in some commercial about women   smile )
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« Reply #150 on: 11-08-2006 04:15 »

We're basing our psychology on commercials...?  Then come closer...I've got this pan I'm supposed to be frying up the bacon in, but I can think of something else I'd rather do with it...

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I think she believes that Fry likes her as a friend, plus has the hots for her as a woman (but then, he's had the hots for anything female that crosses his path, including a radiator); how is Leela to know it's more than that?  Fry doesn't exactly approach it in the most mature or consistant manner.  She may even believe he's totally sincere about it, but Fry can be sincere about something one minute and then be distracted by something sparkly the next and forget all about the first thing.  Leela doesn't want to be the toy that gets tossed aside when a new distraction comes along.
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« Reply #151 on: 11-08-2006 04:31 »

Homer: "Women will like what I tell them to like."
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« Reply #152 on: 11-08-2006 04:50 »

When did Homer say that?

Bah!  Nobody understands women! Nobody!  Not even women!
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« Reply #153 on: 11-08-2006 04:51 »

It was re: his make-up gun.
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« Reply #154 on: 11-08-2006 04:52 »

 
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Originally posted by Apple Tea:
Bah!  Nobody understands women! Nobody!  Not even women!

Hah, I'll second that.
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« Reply #155 on: 11-08-2006 05:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
We're basing our psychology on commercials...?  Then come closer...I've got this pan I'm supposed to be frying up the bacon in, but I can think of something else I'd rather do with it...

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I think she believes that Fry likes her as a friend, plus has the hots for her as a woman (but then, he's had the hots for anything female that crosses his path, including a radiator); how is Leela to know it's more than that?  Fry doesn't exactly approach it in the most mature or consistant manner.  She may even believe he's totally sincere about it, but Fry can be sincere about something one minute and then be distracted by something sparkly the next and forget all about the first thing.  Leela doesn't want to be the toy that gets tossed aside when a new distraction comes along.

First thank you for keeping the discussion alive here... I wish I was around in more threads but work also needs to be done sometimes...

Hmmm... now I see you have a point there (I just deleted two previous versions of this post, I'll never be a professor, in PEEL, I have in fact more chances to do so in real life  smile ). I can see Leela's view on this. She wants to be sure before she gives in. Prob is sometimes (often in real life!) there is not enough time to be sure, you must gamble (hear-hear!)... But CHAZ!... As Ralph Snart said, if he was nice to the orphans, she would've done him right there in the ring (Ok maybe not with the orphans watching and getting ideas)... Do you agree to that ? If so, how come ? Where are all the reservations she has with Fry ? Does she separate 'raw' sex (Chaz?, ?) from possible love (Fry)? She's almost thirty.. she might do that actually.. Phew... am I getting somewhere ? Anyone care to explain ?

Did I warn this would be the weirdo thread  smile

Oh, also on 'the hots'. You may be aware that men have frequent random sex thoughts. Ask ColdAngel (or Xanfor!, see his Leela tearing suit pic post), this is quite normal behaviour for most men... Leela would have known that. So I believe the 'hots' part is simply background. Is it not flattering for a woman to know a man has 'the hots' for her ? Forget the radiator - if Leela is mature enough she should understand Fry's missing delta brainwave weird aspects (credit to a post 1.5 years old)...plus he is a poor kid from the stupid ages...

BTW I saw today Love and Rocket FIRST TIME. I should really watch all eps, there really are parts of Leela's personality I still have not seen. I Loved the last minutes of that episode, more later after I watch it again...
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« Reply #156 on: 11-08-2006 05:12 »

Ah yes the makeup gun, what all women need, to save time on applying makeup so they can spend more time in the kitchen where they belong...

I kid, I kid...
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« Reply #157 on: 11-08-2006 05:13 »

Leela doesn't know/remember the info about the delta brainwave.
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« Reply #158 on: 11-08-2006 05:19 »

I believe both of them just simply don't know what the other wants
Fry doesn't seem to get the picture that Leela wants a guy with ambition
Whereas Leela doesn't seem to understand Fry's choice in women?
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« Reply #159 on: 11-08-2006 05:22 »

Guys with ambition are uptight self-obsessed twats.
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