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Fry_B

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« on: 10-28-2006 18:45 »
« Last Edit on: 11-07-2006 00:00 »

[EDIT] I have created this thread hoping that it will help me - and you - reason about, and better understand what lies beneath the characters of Fry and Leela, and the powerful feelings that bind them. Deeper analysis may give intrigued 'shippers' some closure... but more importantly, it may help us all understand ourselves... since really, this is about us.

And now, take red pill and enjoy!
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[NOTE] Before posting here please check what has already been discussed in the Intelligent, Long-Winded Shipper Discussion Thread and the Looovenasium threads. And please keep it focused - the thread is called Deep Down...
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Hi there, I'm a new member.. I couldn't find this anywhere, at least not in newer threads. I just discovered Futurama, watched most eps (I intentionally tried not to watch some - e.g Roswell, Love and Rocket - to prolong the pleasure    smile but read the reviews) and there are a few things that 'haunt' me. The one I want to talk about here are the portrayed characters of Fry and Leela. I am sure most fans can relate to some character, but from what I have read here and elsewhere it appears Fry is depicted as stupid and childish and Leela as (mostly) responsible and somewhat affectionate.

Here's my take, and it's reinforced the more I watch Futurama eps:

1) Fry: his condition has been predermined by the writers (loser, etc), however this is contradicted by quite a few of his actions . It's like they 'have' to show him as stupid, but he is coming of age and proves not to be, and he does that when it matters most (life / death situations). See 'Parasites Lost' - for an example of what lies beneath. I do believe Fry has depth - (see 'Cyberdemon House', the memorable quote from 'ParaBox' - 'here go we for a flip of a coin' - was that not SAD and TRUE ?) and can show commitment and express his love, worms or no worms - see 'The Sting'.
As a mature fan, I believe Fry is a normal person that may behave in a stupid way sometimes (voluntarily or otherwise - remember he is in a completely new world) but who won't give up on his love and would always sacrifice himself his love. Fry declares his love for Leela several times, whether in a sophisticated manner when he is supercharged with worms, or in a desperate way in the Sting (yes he does act there like a 'real' man), or in the simplistic (yet most powerful to date) way in 'The Devil's Hands' closing sequence. So what about Leela?

2) Leela is a partial mystery to me - maybe because she is a woman :-) Yes the Futurama writers imposed stereotypes on her. She is independent (or appears so), appears to have strong character (or has she? - Zapp) but like anyone else she can be deceived (Al). For sure is however that She is Desperately Alone - so how come she does not eventually realise that Fry is always there and that he is The One ? Or, rather *does* she realise it finally, in the 'Devil's Hands' ?
Like in Fry's case, I believe Leela is rather 'forced' to act this way by the 'everything back to normal' or whatever other silly reason. She MUST have felt Fry's intense love, whichever way it was expressed. 'Parasites Lost', 'Love and Rocket', 'The Sting', even 'CyberHouse' should have been eye (one eye :-) ) openers: Fry loves her the way she is and he would do/give anything for her love. Yet she appears not to realise / respond to his love -I was hoping in The Sting she DOES, and responds to it, but unfortunately I now believe *guilt* has a large role to play there and besides, if the dream was true, this was a really tardy recognition of her own feelings - tragic indeed. After waking up in 'The Sting' she should thanked God (Zombie God in 3000 ?) and Fry for the chance to LIVE and LOVE - and give in all the way - yet nothing happens. In fact, I realised that no matter the situation, she has never expressed anything beyond 'friendship' for Fry . Thus, in addition to lack of depth perception, she may be blind and may never find happiness.

For me, 'The Devil's Hands..' was very  sad - esp in the perspective of the end of the series, there was no closure. I believe the writer forcibly held back just for the silly reason that 'everything should be back to normal' - for a possible sequel ?? Well they have 13 new opportunities to get them together but after the last ep them not being together will definitely look forced . In real life, after that closing moment something significant MUST have happened. I cannot believe they did not allow them a deep kiss and (at least the suggestion of) love making (other that in alternative worlds) to the very end (what they thought it was the end of Futurama anyway). There was no closure in 'Devil's Hands'.

To close this long post, I believe Fry and Leela should be together (whether 'ParaBox'-like or de facto) - there can be plenty of romance and tension in that - just think of a 'normal' real world relationship !  Yes people of all ages watch Futurama - the more reason I believe Fry and Leela should be given a chance to have their choice and moment of climax. Yet I am skeptical. I suspect it will still be in other parallel worlds, time slippages, dreams...

Apple Tea

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« Reply #1 on: 10-29-2006 01:10 »

Welcome to PEEL, if you want to talk about Fry/Leela relationship, there's an ongoing debate about it on this thread: http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/11-001141-1/
Cyberphobia

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« Reply #2 on: 10-29-2006 01:33 »

Hey, welcome!

Good analysis you're got there!
Fry_B

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« Reply #3 on: 10-29-2006 04:58 »

Ok, thanks - should my post be moved to that area then ?  I'm in fact more concerned with Fry & Leela's situations separately AND their coming together. The most probable outcomes for the new series are: 1) F&L marry & divorce as shown in 'Time Keeps on Slippin'' - satisfying all fans (well you aksed dfor it, but hey it didn't work!) or 2) they keep on doing what they did - on and off, always normal at the end of the episode. 1) is 80%, 2 is 20% I believe.

So dear Admins, can you move my post if you see fit ? Thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: 10-29-2006 07:15 »

No, I think by the end of the next series, they will be together... for good. Like in season 5, there was a bunch of evidence to show that they actually are getting closer together and are more comfortable with each other. So after this build up, they can't just leave them as just friends at the end of the NEXT season. The build up would then be pointless because stringing us along like that so much for 2 seasons is too much.
Fry_B

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« Reply #5 on: 10-29-2006 17:01 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
No, I think by the end of the next series, they will be together... for good. Like in season 5, there was a bunch of evidence to show that they actually are getting closer together and are more comfortable with each other. So after this build up, they can't just leave them as just friends at the end of the NEXT season. The build up would then be pointless because stringing us along like that so much for 2 seasons is too much.


That's what you hope  wink and what I hope BTW. Unfortunately it also very much depends on whether they will be given the chance to do more episodes after the 13 (provided they do make the 13, although not to do so will terminally infuriate all fans). If they know the show may again be terminated and this time not be resurrected, then they will probably allow them to get together no matter what. If not,... they may gauge the fans votes (hopefully) and still get them together  smile or keep milking the UST - although in my case, too much UST makes me sick, tired and bored rather than keenly waiting for the next ep.
I have now  a strong feeling that given enough time (eps that is), they will most likely get them married but also divorced - which *may* provide some closure for 'strung' fans (although will leave a bitter aftertaste for a lot more fans, esp mature ones that may have had similar experiences). So yes, them getting married or 'together' is highly probable is the show is to show   smile some maturity. A relationship / marriage is dynamic: Fry will have to keep showing his love, Leela will have to keep saving his @$$, characters will keep interacting with the couple, Zapp will keep making passes at Leela (whether Fry beats him up or not, no matter). Thus, I believe the differences if they were together would be minor; there can still be drama, tragedy even UST in a relationship - oh my, yes !

But never forget, the writers are puny humans, not Gods and they are also subject to all kinds of influences besides the fans' polls. Maybe one solution for the desperate is indeed to write fanfic and get some closure in that..

I woner if the Futurama comics provide any clue BTW or are they simply parallel storylines ?
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« Reply #6 on: 10-30-2006 04:42 »

I seriously don't see a divorce happening. It would make too many people mad. I would be distraught!
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« Reply #7 on: 10-30-2006 05:07 »
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The comics aren't considered canon, no.

The writers are Gods, they're just the old-fashioned type of God like in Greek and Norse mythology who are flawed and fickle and frequently turn into animals for no apparent reason.

I can see them get together for a long while, then break up for a long while, and then get together again in some kind of finale however many seasons into the future that may be.
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« Reply #8 on: 10-30-2006 05:09 »
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(see 'Cyberdemon House') 

wow i didn't know futurama was related to classic doom...
nah im not a bad person, i just had to point that out

i guess comics aren't canon because it would bust stuff up
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« Reply #9 on: 10-30-2006 07:47 »

 
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I seriously don't see a divorce happening. It would make too many people mad. I would be distraught!

Ok, I just saw the Time Keeps on Slipping part where Fry & Leela get married & then divorced (By the way that ep is really depressing, Leela rejects any suggestion that they will ever be together and uses some arguments that insult Fry's intellect (yes laugh and call him an idiot but are YOU sure he is so?) - BTW I am not sure if Fry really buys these since he keeps trying - good on you FRY, she MUST yield !) Question: if they have been married in the past WHY did they not make it through and got a divorce ? Of course, none of them had a recollection of what happened between the wedding and divorce, but they DID get a divorce. Ok, it's a cartoon - maybe it was just to amuse *us* - well I wasn't in fact  hmpf
And on the subject of Leela's character, in Time Keeps on Slipping she is rather blindly rejecting Fry. is it because of her other r'ships as I have read in other posts ? Well why start the rejection with Fry after being 'overcome by pity' (with guess who) or blinded by Sean's beautiful soul   smile  Look, there are definitely a lot of things that don't 'add up' in Leela's character and it may be because 1) she's a woman and thus beyond what I can fully understand  smile 2) there are different writers for different episodes and they don't talk much and/or 3) as mentioned the writers are in fact human and maybe not obsessed with detail (which if true, is a pity). Ok I go and read the Time Keeps on Slippoing Thread now...
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« Reply #10 on: 10-30-2006 10:59 »
« Last Edit on: 10-30-2006 10:59 »

   
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For me, 'The Devil's Hands..' was very  sad - esp in the perspective of the end of the series, there was no closure. I believe the writer forcibly held back just for the silly reason that 'everything should be back to normal' - for a possible sequel ?? Well they have 13 new opportunities to get them together but after the last ep them not being together will definitely look forced . In real life, after that closing moment something significant MUST have happened. I cannot believe they did not allow them a deep kiss and (at least the suggestion of) love making (other that in alternative worlds) to the very end (what they thought it was the end of Futurama anyway). There was no closure in 'Devil's Hands'.

I thought the 'Devil's Hands' was a perfect way to end the series.  The power in that last scene was overwhelming.  There Fry was, abandoned by everbody, even his friends and coworkers, yet Leela stayed, she didn't abandon him.  Earlier in the series she would have left as well, but there she was asking him to continue playing.  The fact that she asks him to keep playing is hugely significant.  Throughout the series, she continually rejected Fry's attempts at expressing his love, she pushed him away.  In Time Keeps on Slippin' she explicitly asks him to stop attempting to woo her.  Yet, in the end of Devil's Hand, she accepts his love and asks him to continue his expression of it.  The last sequence Fry plays on the holophoner, with Leela and him kissing and then walking off into the distace, I always saw that sequence as a forshadowing of what eventually did become of Fry and Leela.  Yes, the show never did explicitly put Leela and Fry together, but that last scene practically SCREAMED that they would eventually.  It may have happened quickly, or it may have taken some more time, but you knew they would be together. 


Honestly, I loved the ending of the 'Devil's Hands' so much that I'm saddened by the fact that they're bring Futurama back.  Don't get me wrong, I'm also thrilled that the series will continue.  It's just that the finale was that good.  If I had to choose, I would rather that they make new episodes, but it will lessen the emotional impact that 'The Devil's Hand's' has on me.
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« Reply #11 on: 10-30-2006 12:26 »
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Oh c'mon does someone honestly think they wont be together by the end of the next season?
And in Futurama not always everything comes back to normal in the end of every episode.Like Space Pilot 3000 or Parasites lost(incase someone forgot Fry told Leela he loves her in this episode).
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« Reply #12 on: 10-30-2006 12:51 »

or Love's Labours Lost in Space, when she fiinds Nibbler.

Fry and Leela have GOT to get together, even if it is only for a few thousand episodes...  wink
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« Reply #13 on: 10-30-2006 13:14 »

...Before they die...
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« Reply #14 on: 10-30-2006 13:15 »

weel yeah obviously...  big grin
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« Reply #15 on: 10-30-2006 13:29 »

...Not before theyre children are married...
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« Reply #16 on: 10-30-2006 14:08 »

Though Leela would probably love kids, I'm pretty sure that Fry would sooner die than go crazy takin care of liitleuns...
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« Reply #17 on: 10-30-2006 17:53 »

Not necessarily, remember he had no objections to Bender having kids in the house, nor did he take any offense to being called 'ma'. I think Fry would be great with kids.


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« Reply #18 on: 10-30-2006 18:33 »
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Honestly, I loved the ending of the 'Devil's Hands' so much that I'm saddened by the fact that they're bring Futurama back.  Don't get me wrong, I'm also thrilled that the series will continue.  It's just that the finale was that good.  If I had to choose, I would rather that they make new episodes, but it will lessen the emotional impact that 'The Devil's Hand's' has on me.


Yes I believe the finale IS the most powerful moment. The music is overwhelming too.. Leela's words - Please don't stop playing Fry - I wanna know how it ends (and the compelling way this is acted by Katey) show that she now cares.



And yes I believe / hope that ...how it ends is in fact how the Futurama crew wanted the Leela / Fry saga to end - whether their hand was forced by the premature end of the sieries or not.

I was in fact overwhelmed by the last scene (like most viewers, no doubt) and by the feeling that maybe Matt & Co realised that Fox was cutting them off, the series will end and they HAD to get them together - but because of the limited time, this could only be in the form of a dream, premonition, ...opera ending? So I guess maybe I was longing for Fry & Leela to be given at least a little time together before Futurama came to an end. But hey life was not meant to be easy or fair      hmpf not even in year 3k..

[edit]: I do believe the ending suggested by shoopbender  http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/1-002859-3/#t98  plus a Kiss (As Panucci would've put it: 'Come ooon!) would have been even better[/edit]

And I must mention I am still not sure as to why Leela's attitude towards Fry did not change after The Sting - her desperation to be with him even if that meant goodbye waking world should have meant a major change in her attitude.



Human (writer) error? Maybe. or was it Guilt, rather than Love? To me, it started looking like guilt, turned into love by the end of The Sting

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« Reply #19 on: 10-30-2006 23:02 »

I thought leela's look on fry would have changed after love and rocket I mean if someone would give you there oxygen to get you to surive even if it meant they would possibly die then they must be a very special person.
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« Reply #20 on: 10-31-2006 00:53 »
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I think it's just hard for the writers to reach a consensus on how they want Leela and Fry to be together.  All the major shippy episodes were seemingly written by different writers.  "Parasites Lost" was written by Eric Kaplan, "The Sting" was written by Patric Verrone, "Time Keeps on Slipping" and "The Devils Hands are Idle Playthings" was written by Ken Keeler, and "Love and Rocket" was written by Dan Vebber.

So they just put everything back to status quo at the end of the episodes and not try to explain the relationship any further.
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« Reply #21 on: 10-31-2006 00:58 »

yea I guess it is true what they say at the end of the show everything always returns to how it is! Any way I think if they did have fry leela realationship like the whole time or have them get together it would cut our bender scenes because you notice in the shippy episodes with the exception of love and rocket and a flight to remember there is alot less bender appearances. ANd I love Bender he is my favourite Bender is one of the reasons I love futurama! big grin
Bending Unit 99

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« Reply #22 on: 10-31-2006 02:53 »

bender is my favourite as well, but Fry/Leela shippy eps were rare, maybe six in the entire 73 episode series...
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« Reply #23 on: 10-31-2006 07:50 »

 
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bender is my favourite as well, but Fry/Leela shippy eps were rare, maybe six in the entire 73 episode series...

Ahhhh... this is the THIRD time I post, for some reason the bloody board system erased my text twice!

Anyway, I do not see why Bender should appear less if Fry & Leela get together. Once they are in a stable relationship you may even have less 'shippy' and more 'non-shippy' episodes (although that would really not be that good). As someone said in another post, Bender would probably move in with them

I am also confused on the term 'shippy', could someone pls explain, and if 'shippy' episodes are the ones abt Fry / Leela romance ? Thank you   smile

And a NOTE that here in Aust Network TEN has just aired THREE episodes today, including Jurassic Bark - which I had not seen completely previously. I wonder who's idea was to stop Leela from ripping off her costume   smile and who came up with the design of that costume. As a woman I imagine I would be worried abt the triangular (missing) piece in front - or would I ?  wink   
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« Reply #24 on: 10-31-2006 08:14 »

Well episode's can also be Amy/Kif shippy,Leela/Someone shippy,Fry/someone shippy,Bender/someone shippy, they can be enybody/enybody shippy,even Farnsworth/Mom shippy(although I would say thats not shippy but creepy).
Ewwwwwwwww Farnsworth/Mom shippiness.
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« Reply #25 on: 10-31-2006 16:56 »

 
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Well episode's can also be Amy/Kif shippy,Leela/Someone shippy,Fry/someone shippy,Bender/someone shippy, they can be enybody/enybody shippy,even Farnsworth/Mom shippy(although I would say thats not shippy but creepy).
Ewwwwwwwww Farnsworth/Mom shippiness.

So what does shippy mean ? Pardon my ignorance   roll eyes
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« Reply #26 on: 10-31-2006 17:25 »

Hahaha, I asked the same question, it comes from the word "relationship"
I always thought it had something to do with spaceships...meh, go figure...
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« Reply #27 on: 10-31-2006 23:38 »


Devil's Hands was made the way it was made because they thought they had a 50/50 chance of being cancelled, they wanted to provide some kind of optimistic ending but still leave it open, because they had real hopes that they might get picked up by another channel (and they were RIGHT!  Woo-hoo!).

Word is that they are making the "final" episode even as we speak, that they are going to go ahead and film it first and then keep it on ice, and Fry and Leela's relationship will be resolved then (and ONLY then); so there IS a resolution planned and we won't be cheated out of it by early cancellation. 

As for Leela and Fry's relationship...if you have seen Devil's Hands and have only JUST seen Time/Slippin', then obviously you're seeing them out of order.  Don't let Leela's approach in TKOS get you dejected.  There's a definite "growing closer" trend if you watch the eps in the production order.  And don't be too hard on Leela; try to look at things from her point of view as well as Fry's. 

I could say more (MUCH more  tongue ) about Leela and Fry, but I've said a lot of it already, and so have others...if you're interested, check out the original 'Intelligent, Long-Winded Shipper Thread'.  Xanfor, who started it, scoured the board and brought back gems of wordy relationship-centered prose (and very kind in that he often included my own rants harangues pontifications little compositions in his gatherings).  So for some past discussion of Fry and Leela in great and gory detail, that's the place to start. 

And welcome to PEEL!
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« Reply #28 on: 11-01-2006 02:16 »

 
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Hahaha, I asked the same question, it comes from the word "relationship"
I always thought it had something to do with spaceships...meh, go figure...

Whaaaaa ??... I thought it was from worshipping - I hope you are sure abt this   smile So then a 'shipper' is... a relationshipper?   hmpf
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« Reply #29 on: 11-01-2006 02:36 »

Mulder/Scully Relationship (MSR) got shortened to 'shippy' in the early to mid 90s on X-Files forums (I was there for that). The term subsequently migrated to other TV forums where Unresolved Sexual Tension (UST) was pertinant.
As with all things in the modern world, it's all thanks to The X Files. All praise the mighty X-Files. The Truth is Out There.
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« Reply #30 on: 11-01-2006 02:59 »

 
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Word is that they are making the "final" episode even as we speak, that they are going to go ahead and film it first and then keep it on ice, and Fry and Leela's relationship will be resolved then (and ONLY then); so there IS a resolution planned and we won't be cheated out of it by early cancellation. 

That's veeery optimistic. I like certainty, much like some other posters (American posters that want CLOSURE, damnit  smile ) but I am also skeptical to the bone. Anyway let us hope the episodes DO come and at least one contains what we want  smile - BTW is the source minimally credible ??

 
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As for Leela and Fry's relationship...if you have seen Devil's Hands and have only JUST seen Time/Slippin', then obviously you're seeing them out of order.  Don't let Leela's approach in TKOS get you dejected.  There's a definite "growing closer" trend if you watch the eps in the production order. 

It is a sort of adventure: I've got the collection. I have seen some episodes completely, some partially, on TV. I could not resist watching Devil's Hands (on DVD) but I am still to watch Roswell and I believe a few others (tantalising isn't it). You probably understand, it's the equivalent of watching new episodes! Personally I seldom do things in order so that must be it... but I see your point abt the right sequence - although as I have said before, Leela goes through some SERIOUS life & death situations in The Sting, and apparently in Love & Rocket (which I am still to see, yesss  smile ) and yet in subsequent episodes she seems unmoved - soo there may not really be a strong 'order' to these ? Maybe.

 
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And don't be too hard on Leela; try to look at things from her point of view as well as Fry's. 

At my age, I know I will never understand women completely. Irrespective of this however: [blunt section] she fell so easy for Zapp and she really upset me in The Why of Fry when she got Fry to walk Nibbler so she could satisfy her carnal lust (c'mon, it's true) with some political aide ( puke ). Well where were the values, the standards (Fry dixit). Or it wasn't her, but the writer that made her do those things  wink [/blunt section]

 
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I could say more (MUCH more   tongue ) about Leela and Fry, but I've said a lot of it already, and so have others...if you're interested, check out the original 'Intelligent, Long-Winded Shipper Thread'.  Xanfor, who started it, scoured the board and brought back gems of wordy relationship-centered prose (and very kind in that he often included my own rants harangues pontifications little compositions in his gatherings).  So for some past discussion of Fry and Leela in great and gory detail, that's the place to start. 

Actually I read most the second thread and some of the first... but really I have two concerns 1) is it Ok to bump up old posts by replying to them and 2) is the Lovenasium not becoming too all-encompassing for Fry / Leela topics ? Maybe they deserve several topics ? Don't know. I Aksed in fact the moderators to merge this thread into the Lovenasium, it didn't happen so ... dunno what to do now.. (BTW I know I will upset some many star-ranking posters but I do not like the term Lovenasium - it sort of reminds me of the Velour Addict  no no )

 
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And welcome to PEEL!

It's a pleasure. I'll try to be present for a long time, see how it works out.

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« Reply #31 on: 11-01-2006 03:10 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Mulder/Scully Relationship (MSR) got shortened to 'shippy' in the early to mid 90s on X-Files forums (I was there for that). The term subsequently migrated to other TV forums where Unresolved Sexual Tension (UST) was pertinant.
As with all things in the modern world, it's all thanks to The X Files. All praise the mighty X-Files. The Truth is Out There.

I liked X-Files a lot.. but somehow I lost track of the eps and never saw the last ep or if M&S got together (as you said somewhere else in PEEL - or was it a joke like that cruel one abt the Professor making out with Leela on DVD) ... but back to topic, I wonder if there's clear UST between Fry & Leela in Futurama from Leela's point of view...she would want to, but she's afraid, or it's a sort of grey area for her... I'm sure she's thought abt it though  smile
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« Reply #32 on: 11-01-2006 03:39 »

Mulder and Scully did get together. I have all nine seasons of TXF on DVD and can just about recite the dialogue from all 202 episodes...

In Parasites Lost Leela went head over heels for Fry. Granted it was because of the worms, but it seemed more like she was relieved that a barrier (his stupidity) had been removed, thus enabling her to err, carpe diem, as it were.
In The Sting we see inside Leela's mind where a romantic attachment with Fry seems to be a given.
At the end of episodes Love & Rocket, and The Farnsworth Parabox, she seems to let down her defenses and show that she does care for him.
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« Reply #33 on: 11-01-2006 03:54 »

You know the first time I saw the Sting, I always felt that Leela felt more guilty than missing Fry in a romantic sense.  Its like when she sees Fry still alive in her dreams, she didn't feel guilty about sending them on the suicide mission.

I wonder how come no one ever gets mad at the professor for sending them on these uber dangerous missions.
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« Reply #34 on: 11-01-2006 04:00 »

Because he's old.

But Leela kept imagining Fry doing really romantic things with her. Things that the real Fry probably wouldn't even do. I thought that reflected a certain yearning on her part, because those scenes came from her own subconscious, nowhere else. Also, at his funeral she was dressed as a widow.
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« Reply #35 on: 11-01-2006 04:13 »

would she have had dreams about Fry if Fry wasn't talking to her??
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« Reply #36 on: 11-01-2006 04:22 »

Hmmm... hard to say. This brings an interesting question - what does Leela NORMALLY dream about? Could it be the red-headed twerp has a place in her nocturnal subconscious activities? A sexy place?
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« Reply #37 on: 11-01-2006 05:54 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
 Also, at his funeral she was dressed as a widow.

Was she, or was that just a funeral-type outfit ?? To me it appeared that Bender considered himself the real widow - he wore a veil on his visor  smile

You raise interesting points... Yes thinking of it now in Parasites Lost Leela seemed to have everything she ever wanted in the new Fry... 'not been so happy since double soup Tuesday'.. so candid and open, she let her defenses down and embraced that Fry... 'you don't need to do that, I'm still seduced from before'... She must have realised this won't happen again soon so she fought for her happiness. I was actually going 'yess ! kick their asses!' when she was beheading and finely chopping the other mini-clones... everything was going so well... too well.

As for Fry... I do not believe the worms dictated his actions but they were rather 'facilitators'. If you take that view, deep down Fry is and has all Leela ever wanted. The prob is, the new Fry wants to know things... I wonder how many of us would have done what Fry did? You see, Leela fights for her happiness but stops at the common-sense level. It's done, I love what Fry has become. Fry on the contrary  does not take long to go beyond that point. It took me a lot of words (I'm no literary student), but that is the major difference I see between Fry and Leela's approaches to finally find happiness.

To me, The Sting, Parasites Lost and the Devil's Hands are the favourites, in that order (Sting is #1). The Sting delves in Leela's subconcious, facilitated by Fry talking by the bedside like a parrot of the seas. For me, Parasites Lost does for Fry what the Sting does in Leela's case. It frees Fry from his predermined condition, and allows him to behave and express himself and I am sure he would like to - well, deep down.. Finally, The Devil's Hands combines both sides: Leela shows feelings for Fry in the real world and Fry manages to show his feelings for Leela in a more elaborate way. Thus they both sort of transcend their condition. Sort of, because 1) Leela only really does that at the end ('I wanna know how it ends') and Fry still needs 'facilitators' to express himself (but still gets it right - that 30 secs of music at the end of the Devil's Hands is amazing and there, it brings tears in my eyes - there's so much desperate hope crammed in a few seconds)
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« Reply #38 on: 11-01-2006 06:04 »

I don't know if I can even add anything to that.

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« Reply #39 on: 11-01-2006 07:47 »

 
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...BTW is the source minimally credible ??

Allegedly yes.  But I don't frequent the "latest events" threads very often and can't remember where I read it, and am too lazy to go hunting.  But I believe it was an "official" communication of some sort.

 
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[Shiny:] ...There's a definite "growing closer" trend if you watch the eps in the production order. 

....Leela goes through some SERIOUS life & death situations in The Sting, and apparently in Love & Rocket (which I am still to see, yesss   smile ) and yet in subsequent episodes she seems unmoved - soo there may not really be a strong 'order' to these ? Maybe.

There's not a REALLY strong order, but there is a "trend." 

 
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[Shiny:]...And don't be too hard on Leela; try to look at things from her point of view as well as Fry's. 


At my age, I know I will never understand women completely.

Don't think of them as "women."  Think of them as regular guys with a few soft bumps, who have an obsessive-compulsive approach to thinking about emotions.  wink

 
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Irrespective of this however: [blunt section] she fell so easy for Zapp and she really upset me in The Why of Fry when she got Fry to walk Nibbler so she could satisfy her carnal lust (c'mon, it's true) with some political aidepuke ). Well where were the values, the standards (Fry dixit)....[/blunt section]

Been there, rationalized that.   tongue   Leela is kind and compassionate and Zapp earned her pity, not her "love."  Leela is emotionally insecure about her own worth and having an "important" person like her is like a straight injection of second-hand self-esteem...to me her thing for (shudder) Chaz was not "Wow, he's hot!" so much as "Wow! He likes me, he actually likes me!!!"

 
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Actually...I have two concerns 1) is it Ok to bump up old posts by replying to them and 2) is the Lovenasium not becoming too all-encompassing for Fry / Leela topics ? Maybe they deserve several topics ? ...I Aksed in fact the moderators to merge this thread into the Lovenasium, it didn't happen so ... dunno what to do now..

You CAN bump old threads by posting in them, though it's a good idea to read the whole thread before doing so in case someone already covered that territory.  And Fry and Leela have many threads, and more is always welcome, although....

Very valid point, on the Shipper Thread....but because I'm still very fond of it, I'm going to try to get it back on track.  The mods can't "merge threads" as far as I know, but we might do as Xanfor and quote long chunks of this one in the other....


 
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(BTW I know I will upset some many star-ranking posters but I do not like the term Lovenasium - it sort of reminds me of the Velour Addict   no no )

Well, yeah...but we do try to keep a sense of humor about our obsession with Fry and Leela's relationship (I mean, they're CARTOONS for blern's sake) to counterbalance our instinctive urge to wallow up to our hairlines in the pure goo of melodrama.

It helps to scan the threads in question for the longer posts....but I'll try harder to ride herd on the new Shipper thread.  (But I'll do better with your help, hint hint....  wink )
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