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coldangel
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My writing has availed me nothing of worth in this life. Now it only serves to remind me of how completely and utterly I have failed at all that I set out to accomplish.
Leela hates herself. She doesn't know it, but deep down all the mistreatment of her youth resulting from being abandoned and a freak actually convinced her that she is worthless. Outwardly she fights with the ferocity of a wildcat to assert dominance in all things, often to the point of becoming violent and foolhardy, but this is also a reflection of that inner self-hatred - that's what she's really trying to fight against. She consistantly falls in with lovers who are clearly scum of the earth (or whatever other planet) because she subconsciously seeks out punishment for her perceived failings as a mutant orphen. She wants to feel pain and humiliation because that's what she thinks she deserves... again, all at a subconscious level. SOOOO - she won't let Fry have her because she knows he'll actually treat her right and she'll be happy with him. Dirty orphened freak Leela is unworthy of that.
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coldangel
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Why not? Lots of people do.
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coldangel
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Chaz came across as a very arrogant self-obsessed wanker of a man, and I think Leela's observant enough to have seen that.
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coldangel
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Yeah I guess... he could have been an introverted sociopathic anarchist communist freak with violent mood-swings, an obsession with knives, a pathological contempt for human life and the established cornerstones of civilization, and a desire to see all of humanity suffer beneath his boot heel........ like me.
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coldangel
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I wasn't. I'm proud of all those things.
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coldangel
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She knew Fry++ was fake. THERE is the self-hate. She was settling for a transient facade. What she was allowing herself to fall for was a mass of parasitic bowel worms. Eeew.
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coldangel
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« Reply #658 on: 11-04-2006 10:22 »
« Last Edit on: 11-04-2006 10:22 by coldangel_1 »
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Ha. 'perfection versus quality'. I like that line. Sometimes perfection can be the most imperfect thing there is, because perfection itself is unattainable to *real* people. Human beings are flawed creatures, and that's what makes them beautiful. An untouched slab of marble is not art. But if you chip away at it with a chisel... slowly eat away at the facade and remove the perfect surface, you make a sculpture, and it becomes something more. It's the same with people. Someone without flaws and failings is a no-person, they have no personality, no individuality - nowhere left to go. Perfection sucks.This is why I am so unappealing to women. Because I'm TOO perfect for them. Clever girl, Maz.
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Fry_B
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Originally posted by coldangel_1: Ha. 'perfection versus quality'. I like that line. Sometimes perfection can be the most imperfect thing there is, because perfection itself is unattainable to *real* people. Human beings are flawed creatures, and that's what makes them beautiful. An untouched slab of marble is not art. But if you chip away at it with a chisel... slowly eat away at the facade and remove the perfect surface, you make a sculpture, and it becomes something more. It's the same with people. Someone without flaws and failings is a no-person, they have no personality, no individuality - nowhere left to go.
Perfection sucks.
So Leela was still punishing herself in going after Fry++ because he was 'perfect' ?. Me thinks not. To me this was not the same as falling for any of the other previous jerks. I believe Leela knew this was different. Whether she would have become bored afterwards... Also I believe you exaggerate the influence of subconscious impulses Leela is under in her 'normal' state ... How old was Leela anyway ? That matters a lot as well... Maybe Fry++ was conceived to look perfect but it was not an alien Fry, just an enhanced Fry. Fry in The Devil's Hands still has the imagination of Fry++ (or most of it) - he just has 'lazy fingers' and he can't materialize his mental images properly. I also have a prob with the marble analogy - marble does not start perfect and you make it imperfect to become more... anyway that's a long argument and I'm as grumpy as the Snail this morning As to the yuck factor of bowel worms... if you only knew the amount and type of creatures living in your bowel so you can function properly...
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coldangel
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« Reply #661 on: 11-04-2006 20:39 »
« Last Edit on: 11-04-2006 20:39 by coldangel_1 »
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Maz - sometimes you can say in one sentence what I feel compelled to write an essay about. It's actually quite clever. Have a lolly. Fry_B - Leela is supposed to be about 25 at the beginning of the series and thus about 29ish at the end of the series. Ooooh.... she'll be 30 soon... the *tick tock* of the biological clock might wake her up from her stubborn stasis. And you leave my marble metaphor alone, it has served me well for many years! Bastard... I think it's apt. Besides which, I was off the self-punishment track there and just promoting Fry as a flawed person. I don't have a bowel or any internal parasites as I am a Posthuman entity comprised entirely of nanomachines.
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coldangel
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Fry's the same age. Although he doesn't act it.
I'll be 30 in seven years.
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Xanfor
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Fry and Leela are exactly the same age. Boom, shot. I win.
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Xanfor
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Because that's the shippyest way it can be. Haven't you heard of my Razor?
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coldangel
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The official word from the creators put Leela at age 25 at the start, which was how old Fry was when he was frozen. Originally they were gonna make her 30 but they backed her off a notch. Leela is more mature and worldly than Fry and she probably called him kid derisively because she assumed from his lack of social refinement that he was younger than he actually was.
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Originally posted by coldangel_1: Maz - sometimes you can say in one sentence what I feel compelled to write an essay about. It's actually quite clever. Have a lolly. "Gimmie a bigger lolly!" Originally posted by Cyberphobia: Especially from the first episode Leela says something like "Leave him alone, he's just a kid" or something I think. Also helps to explain Leela being more dominant maybe... but that theory isn't very accurate because a huge range of factors need to be taken in to determine dominance, mainly personality. He's just a kid from the stupid ages. Yeah, I always thought they were the same age. Leela was just more confident because she actually lives there. Actually, that scares me a little with the whole dominant personality thing..I'm the youngest out of my friends but often it has been pointed out I'm like a mother figure. Eep. Originally posted by coldangel_1: Leela is more mature and worldly than Fry and she probably called him kid derisively because she assumed from his lack of social refinement that he was younger than he actually was. Heh, I love how these characters are in their late 20's, and people are drooling over them like teenagers, whether they're teenagers or not. Plus that whole 'cartoon' issue... Whell, back on track, wherever the track is, if Leela's age is so important in determining what she does in her relationships...why doesn't she give Fry a go? What's the worst that can happen? I know there's the whole "what if I get hurt again?" but if she's been hurt so many times surely once more wouldn't make such a difference...anyway, at least if she gave him a go, she could find out if she really did want to be with him and maybe he'd be more accepting to her not wanting to be with him, if that's how it turned out.
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coldangel
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What's funnier is that they're both voiced by people who are in their fifties.
Bah, human relationships are of no interest to me. An immortal demigod like myself has bigger concerns.
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coldangel
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He's 29 by the end of the series.
You're only 17?? Sheesh! Lot of young folk 'round these parts. I'm 23.
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coldangel
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Yes, but I have to destroy all the secret photographs I've taken of you or I could get arrested. Yes. The OC sucks. All soapies suck. Also, are you saying I can't watch Futurama after I'm 35!?
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coldangel
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Good. I don't plan to live that long but in case I do I want to be able to watch lots of cartoons still. I love cartoons.
I didn't say anything about any secret photos.
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Here's a quote from Dana Scully in The X Files that I think can be quite easily applied to Leela and her feelings for Fry:
"Well, it seems to me that the best relationships - the ones that last - are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship. You know, one day you look at the person and you see something more than you did the night before. Like a switch has been flicked somewhere. And the person who was just a friend is... suddenly the only person you can ever imagine yourself with"
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