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« Reply #600 on: 11-02-2006 20:01 »
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ALOHO wasn't a bad ep, but it really took Leela out of character.  She would have never let herself be a sideshow freak attraction.  She was told from the beginning what she would be, but she didn't listen.

Futuama semed to thrive on having sad endings and the is ep had a sad ending - Leela's claim to fame was reduced to being the worst Blermsball player of all time.  That's something that our super-competative Leela would have never let happen under any circumstances.

To me, 'That's Lobstertainment' and 'The Cryonic Woman' were horrible eps...

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« Reply #601 on: 11-02-2006 21:03 »
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Weirdly, the painful part of ALOHO for me was only half the fact that Leela was reduced to being the worst player of all time...the other half was the fact that Hank Aaron the sixty-fourth(or whatever) lost his cushy spot in the Blernsball Hall of Fame.  I felt nearly as awful for him as for Leela...he so obviously loved having it.  The "worst football player of all time" spot he also had was obviously just a sop from the writers to keep us from wondering if he'd be living on the streets fighting owls for stale hamburgers. 

I don't find Leela out of character so much...she CAN blind herself to the obvious when she's really sold on some fantasy...like with Chaz...and to a lesser extent, with Adlai (with Alkazar she wasn't blind at all, just purposely sacrificing herself to revive the Cyclops race).  But I find it a painful part of her personality to watch.  Also, Jackie whatshername just didn't fit in this episode...she was too serious a character for a very farcical episode, and made Leela's blindness seem twice as painful by continually dragging us back to "real world" sensibilities.  And her insults to Leela in their last scene (absurdities meant to bring the universe back to Futurama-esque reality) suffered because of it; they seemed way too harsh and truly cruel, because it seemed like they were coming from a real person, not a cartoon.

Even the worst Futurama eps have good bits; I loved the "slap on the butt" bit, and the pitching animation really WAS excellent; and I purely adored the whole pizza parlor subplot.  And even the A-story generated a nice bit: Bender immediately shutting down the autograph session when Leela got upset.  Awwwwww!

Lobstertainment is not nearly so painful to me, it's just kind of...boring.  But Cryonic Woman, as most of you know, is a favorite of mine...I find Michelle hilarious in her sheer awfulness, and I love that she brought out Fry's latent self-respect enough that he dumped her and set off alone, even though she was the only familiar face in the world (from his POV).  Such a brave boy!    love

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« Reply #602 on: 11-03-2006 01:46 »

I didn't think lobstertainment was that bad, the commentary in it was funny, especially cuz John DiMaggio kept making fun of Hank Azaria.

Argh I hate Michelle, characters like that angers me.  Oooh! If anyone needs me I'll be in the angry dome...
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« Reply #603 on: 11-03-2006 04:10 »

Michelle is the anti-Leela.
Leela gives Fry strength, whereas Michelle leeches it away.
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« Reply #604 on: 11-03-2006 04:58 »
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I really really liked ALOHO! Every time Leela pitched completely cracked me up because of her lack of depth perception. And the ads! ROFL! Beans I think they were but I probably remember wrong. Haven't seen the episode in a while.
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« Reply #605 on: 11-03-2006 06:40 »

 
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And even the A-story generated a nice bit: Bender immediately shutting down the autograph session when Leela got upset.  Awwwwww!

Ok, show's over, no refunds, you heard the robot get out.

Delivered perfect Bender style.

 
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I really really liked ALOHO! Every time Leela pitched completely cracked me up because of her lack of depth perception. And the ads! ROFL! Beans I think they were but I probably remember wrong. Haven't seen the episode in a while.

*sigh*

There goes another person believing Leela should have no depth perception. Tut, tut, tut! That has to be the largest mistake the writers ever made.

 
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Such a brave boy!     love

You talkin' 'bout meeek   eek   eek

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« Reply #606 on: 11-03-2006 06:51 »

What? Why is the lack of depth-perception a mistake? EXPLAIN!
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« Reply #607 on: 11-03-2006 07:06 »

Huh? You need two eyes for most depth perception. I learnt all about this in psychology class earlier this year.

With one eye, you can only have monocular cues, not binocular cues. With monocular cues (one eye), you can only see pictorial depth cues which are things like overlap, hight in the visual field, texture gradient (the more detailed something is, the closer it is to us), relative size (bigger is closer)and that type of thing.

Without two eyes, we can't do things like retinal disparity (determining depth from the slight differance between the retinas of each eye) and convergence (the brain detecting depth due to how much our eyes point towards each other (how cross eyed we are (it only works up to 6 metres))).

So Leela would have depth perception to some extent but only in ways that you can see depth in a photo or picture. Not proper depth perception.

Hopefully people understood that. It's sorta hard to explain.
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« Reply #608 on: 11-03-2006 07:36 »

Ok, try this. Cover both your eyes, and stare at a corner of the room you don't usually look at. Now, uncover one eye, keeping your head absolutely still. Everything  will look flat. In other words, you will be having no true depth perception. Now, turn you head very slightly back and forth. Poof! Nothing looks flat anymore.

Conclusion: Leela could see how far away things were without having to rely on pictorial depth cues. And since she's been a cyclops all her life, you'd think she'd've realized this technique by now, and had experience using it.

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« Reply #609 on: 11-03-2006 08:22 »

In other words, she uses paralax to get a sense of depth.  (Actually, I already knew this, and was going to use it in a story or something and look fiendishly clever...*sigh* ) 

I should point out that in the pilot, she doesn't say she has NO depth perception, she says she doesn't have GOOD depth perception. 
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« Reply #610 on: 11-03-2006 08:27 »

    • You are fiendishly clever. You used the correct term.  roll eyes

    • Ok, now you're just taking advantage of me!  wink

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    « Reply #611 on: 11-03-2006 08:39 »
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    I only take advantage of the best.   wink

    You know, I wonder if Leela herself knows that she DOES in fact have depth perception...perhaps, based on what people have been telling her all her life, she believes that two eyes must give others some undefinable, unknowable EXTRA depths in vision that she cannot conceive of, no more than a blind person can understand color....

    That would be very sad....

        evil laugh

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    « Reply #612 on: 11-03-2006 08:42 »
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    man all this talk about depth perception is making me lose my depth perception...

    but can you actually predict what Leela would see if you could look through her eye?
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    « Reply #613 on: 11-03-2006 08:48 »

    That's not true depth perception; she'd need to walk around scanning her head from side to side for that to be practical.
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    « Reply #614 on: 11-03-2006 10:09 »

    And that would draw strange looks from strangers
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    « Reply #615 on: 11-03-2006 10:54 »

    i dont know why you're talking about this, but i agree, if i saw a one eyed mutant shaking her head around, i'd probably slap myself to make sure i'm not dreaming...  sleep

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    « Reply #616 on: 11-03-2006 11:10 »

    Wasn't this supposed to be a Intelligent Long-Winded Shipper Thread?
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    « Reply #617 on: 11-03-2006 11:20 »

    my point exactly

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    « Reply #618 on: 11-03-2006 11:25 »

    And a good point. Fry and Leela 4EVA
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    « Reply #619 on: 11-03-2006 12:42 »

    I find it an interesting artifact of Leela's character design, that she lacks conventional depth perception, and doesn't seem to see the depth of  feeling Fry has for her.

    I'll just ooze back out under the door now...
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    « Reply #620 on: 11-03-2006 16:18 »
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    I find it an interesting artifact of Leela's character design, that she lacks conventional depth perception, and doesn't seem to see the depth of  feeling Fry has for her.

    Touché ! Although she should also have other senses supplementing that hindrance (did I just hear female intuition)

    I'm afraid that in fact many of these aspects were never thought of in such depth by the Futurama team. It is of course good to talk about them though and develop them. My hope is that by exercising the brain a little, stimulated by the Futurama universe, we will also get to know a little more about ourselves. In fact that is why I started the Deep Down Thread. There is only that much you can say abt Fry & Leela's inner selves, as someone said before. However self-discovery is more complex and it can take... a lifetime? 
    Maybe I should put this in the beginning of the DD thread... maybe I will..
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    « Reply #621 on: 11-03-2006 16:22 »

     
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    [Pic of Leela & Fry in bed]

    Is that pic from an episode I nave not seen yet (there's only 2 now  frown ) ? I wish...

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    « Reply #622 on: 11-03-2006 16:26 »

    I cant remember, I took that screengrab ages ago! sorry!

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    « Reply #623 on: 11-03-2006 17:18 »
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    F'corse not, what are you crazy?Taht didn't get on TV yet...
    Heh,heh,we know more about Fry and Leela then Matt Groening!
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    « Reply #624 on: 11-03-2006 17:31 »
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    oh, i don't know, im so confused!!

    -Claire
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    « Reply #625 on: 11-03-2006 17:35 »
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    F'corse not, what are you crazy?Taht didn't get on TV yet...

    I like your optimism - the yet part - This is done by Avatarium, check it out:
      Fry & Leela in Bed


    (If this was an actual framegrab , things would be radically different in the Futurama universe and many posters here would be a lot happier - myself included)

    And I cannot resist posting this by Fry-x-Leela

    You Will Like This One
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    « Reply #626 on: 11-03-2006 17:36 »

    very very true Fry_B, but may I ask, why are we talking about my signature?

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    « Reply #627 on: 11-03-2006 17:56 »
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    No reason...Actually because its shippy.Not just shippy,Fry/Leela shippy
    I like That shower surprise pic.Heh,heh...It reminds me of my sisters's brother's girlfriend's friend's somebody's ...Ohhh man this is as off topic as I can get concertrated on Fry/Leela shippiness...
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    « Reply #628 on: 11-03-2006 18:00 »

     
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    very very true Fry_B, but may I ask, why are we talking about my signature?



    Oh, that's your sig... well we talk abt it because we are in the Lovenasium I guess.. As previosuly posted I am also confused at this point on the trends of Lovenasium and Deep Down - I was hoping Deep Down will be character (and relationship, somewhat) analysis - oriented, while Lovenasium would be all-encompassing.. but who knows anymore..

    And yes I edited my message sorry it took a while to find the links...
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    « Reply #629 on: 11-03-2006 19:06 »

     
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    That would look much better if Fry weren't yellow.  hmpf

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    « Reply #630 on: 11-03-2006 20:52 »

    I think it looks like Fry's covered in fake tan LOL
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    « Reply #631 on: 11-03-2006 21:03 »

    No, that's a real tan. You see, their honeymoon was near a beach, and Leela, well, wanted to... You know... On it.

    Why isn't Leela tan then, you axe? Well, you see, Leela can't tan. It's her mutant genes' fault.

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    « Reply #632 on: 11-03-2006 21:59 »

    I don't know why anyone would want to do it on a beach. Beaches are gross. You get sand everywhere.

    Everyone says axe, but I think it's meant to be aks. And asked should be aksed, not axed. Like in the book 'Deadly, Unna?', theres a character that says aksed instead of asked.
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    « Reply #633 on: 11-03-2006 22:33 »

     
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    I find it an interesting artifact of Leela's character design, that she lacks conventional depth perception, and doesn't seem to see the depth of  feeling Fry has for her.

    I've made that metaphorical connection before - she sees the world, life and the Universe, in two dimensions, literally and figuratively. That's why she needs Fry, to be her second eye.
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    « Reply #634 on: 11-04-2006 03:18 »

     
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    I don't know why anyone would want to do it on a beach. Beaches are gross. You get sand everywhere.

    Well, it depends on the skills and degree of desperation... And remember not all cities have beaches nearby. Where I used to live before, you would only get to a beach on holidays, so once you got there you bloody well wanted to do it there ! So there's one reason  smile Oh, oh-oh.... plus it's ROMANTIC.
     
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    Everyone says axe, but I think it's meant to be aks. And asked should be aksed, not axed. Like in the book 'Deadly, Unna?', theres a character that says aksed instead of asked.

    I kept using aks, and I was about to switch to ax, so you now I am confused. I believe the sub-titling on the TEN network in Aust uses 'ax' (that may be automated).. no clue.
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    « Reply #635 on: 11-04-2006 03:35 »

    We live about 15 minutes from the beach and I've only been to the beach like 5 times in my life. I hate the beach. Sand and sunburn and disgusting fish and probably syringes (well probably not) and disgusting tasting salt water and the water is probably cold. It's all ewww, not romantic.
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    « Reply #636 on: 11-04-2006 04:16 »
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    We live about 15 minutes from the beach and I've only been to the beach like 5 times in my life. I hate the beach. Sand and sunburn and disgusting fish and probably syringes (well probably not) and disgusting tasting salt water and the water is probably cold. It's all ewww, not romantic.

    It's psychological - because it's so close you never go unless someone comes to visit -was that in I Dated a Robot?. Also I don't want to speculate but it may also be other personal factors having to do with previous unpleasant experiences, fallacies of all kinds... blah-blah-blah..   smile.  Here we go, off-topic again   no no  ...

    Unless...[thinks hard - ow] you consider the (beach-related, here) implications of Fry not paying off the prof (gay) bully that ruined his sand castle In the Aliens Attack to pretend he'd been beaten by Fry and thus have Leela swoon and adore Fry   smile. A letargic, rather careless Fry ? Too early in the series ? 'You take her' - well any woman would take exception to that - why did she not kick Fry on the spot ?...maybe she really did not care that much yet and she had seen enough jerks  to get used to being treated like a meatbag ? Hmm..
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    « Reply #637 on: 11-04-2006 04:21 »

     
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     I've made that metaphorical connection before - she sees the world, life and the Universe, in two dimensions, literally and figuratively. That's why she needs Fry, to be her second eye.

    And I have commended you already for that  smile (although maybe in the DD thread) We'll see that second eye metaphor in the next fanfic, right ?
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    « Reply #638 on: 11-04-2006 05:33 »

     
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    Unless...[thinks hard - ow] you consider the (beach-related, here) implications of Fry not paying off the prof (gay) bully that ruined his sand castle In the Aliens Attack to pretend he'd been beaten by Fry and thus have Leela swoon and adore Fry    smile. A letargic, rather careless Fry ? Too early in the series ? 'You take her' - well any woman would take exception to that - why did she not kick Fry on the spot ?...maybe she really did not care that much yet and she had seen enough jerks  to get used to being treated like a meatbag ? Hmm..

    She was probably more interested in the bully, she was flattered that macho guy like that would fight Fry for her at the moment, then later it turns out he's gay.  That's my guess, though I don't remember that scene all to well.

    Hey you guys think once the new futurama epsiodes air there will be a lot more PEELers   coming and old PEELers resurfacing?  Sorry this is off topic but I dunno where else to post this question.
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    « Reply #639 on: 11-04-2006 05:51 »

    Yeah probably more PEELers. A lot of Aussie PEELers here at the moment because it's played 5 days a week on Channel 10.

    So once more episodes come (particularly in the US), there are bound to be more PEELers.
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