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Shiny
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« Reply #601 on: 11-02-2006 21:03 »
« Last Edit on: 11-02-2006 21:03 »
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Weirdly, the painful part of ALOHO for me was only half the fact that Leela was reduced to being the worst player of all time...the other half was the fact that Hank Aaron the sixty-fourth(or whatever) lost his cushy spot in the Blernsball Hall of Fame. I felt nearly as awful for him as for Leela...he so obviously loved having it. The "worst football player of all time" spot he also had was obviously just a sop from the writers to keep us from wondering if he'd be living on the streets fighting owls for stale hamburgers. I don't find Leela out of character so much...she CAN blind herself to the obvious when she's really sold on some fantasy...like with Chaz...and to a lesser extent, with Adlai (with Alkazar she wasn't blind at all, just purposely sacrificing herself to revive the Cyclops race). But I find it a painful part of her personality to watch. Also, Jackie whatshername just didn't fit in this episode...she was too serious a character for a very farcical episode, and made Leela's blindness seem twice as painful by continually dragging us back to "real world" sensibilities. And her insults to Leela in their last scene (absurdities meant to bring the universe back to Futurama-esque reality) suffered because of it; they seemed way too harsh and truly cruel, because it seemed like they were coming from a real person, not a cartoon. Even the worst Futurama eps have good bits; I loved the "slap on the butt" bit, and the pitching animation really WAS excellent; and I purely adored the whole pizza parlor subplot. And even the A-story generated a nice bit: Bender immediately shutting down the autograph session when Leela got upset. Awwwwww! Lobstertainment is not nearly so painful to me, it's just kind of...boring. But Cryonic Woman, as most of you know, is a favorite of mine...I find Michelle hilarious in her sheer awfulness, and I love that she brought out Fry's latent self-respect enough that he dumped her and set off alone, even though she was the only familiar face in the world (from his POV). Such a brave boy!
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coldangel
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Michelle is the anti-Leela. Leela gives Fry strength, whereas Michelle leeches it away. You have to listen to me, because I'm a Professor now.
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Xanfor
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Originally posted by Shiny: And even the A-story generated a nice bit: Bender immediately shutting down the autograph session when Leela got upset. Awwwwww! Ok, show's over, no refunds, you heard the robot get out.Delivered perfect Bender style. Originally posted by Cyberphobia: I really really liked ALOHO! Every time Leela pitched completely cracked me up because of her lack of depth perception. And the ads! ROFL! Beans I think they were but I probably remember wrong. Haven't seen the episode in a while. * sigh* There goes another person believing Leela should have no depth perception. Tut, tut, tut! That has to be the largest mistake the writers ever made. Originally posted by Shiny: Such a brave boy! You talkin' 'bout me?
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coldangel
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What? Why is the lack of depth-perception a mistake? EXPLAIN!
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Xanfor
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Ok, try this. Cover both your eyes, and stare at a corner of the room you don't usually look at. Now, uncover one eye, keeping your head absolutely still. Everything will look flat. In other words, you will be having no true depth perception. Now, turn you head very slightly back and forth. Poof! Nothing looks flat anymore.
Conclusion: Leela could see how far away things were without having to rely on pictorial depth cues. And since she's been a cyclops all her life, you'd think she'd've realized this technique by now, and had experience using it.
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Shiny
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In other words, she uses paralax to get a sense of depth. (Actually, I already knew this, and was going to use it in a story or something and look fiendishly clever...*sigh* )
I should point out that in the pilot, she doesn't say she has NO depth perception, she says she doesn't have GOOD depth perception.
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Xanfor
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- You are fiendishly clever. You used the correct term.
- Ok, now you're just taking advantage of me!
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Shiny
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« Reply #611 on: 11-03-2006 08:39 »
« Last Edit on: 11-03-2006 08:39 »
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I only take advantage of the best. You know, I wonder if Leela herself knows that she DOES in fact have depth perception...perhaps, based on what people have been telling her all her life, she believes that two eyes must give others some undefinable, unknowable EXTRA depths in vision that she cannot conceive of, no more than a blind person can understand color.... That would be very sad.... NOBODY ELSE USE THIS! I'M PUTTING IT IN MY STORY, DARN IT!
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coldangel
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That's not true depth perception; she'd need to walk around scanning her head from side to side for that to be practical.
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Writer unit32
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Wasn't this supposed to be a Intelligent Long-Winded Shipper Thread?
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Fry_B
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« Reply #620 on: 11-03-2006 16:18 »
« Last Edit on: 11-03-2006 16:18 »
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Originally posted by SpaceCase: I find it an interesting artifact of Leela's character design, that she lacks conventional depth perception, and doesn't seem to see the depth of feeling Fry has for her.
Touché ! Although she should also have other senses supplementing that hindrance (did I just hear female intuition) I'm afraid that in fact many of these aspects were never thought of in such depth by the Futurama team. It is of course good to talk about them though and develop them. My hope is that by exercising the brain a little, stimulated by the Futurama universe, we will also get to know a little more about ourselves. In fact that is why I started the Deep Down Thread. There is only that much you can say abt Fry & Leela's inner selves, as someone said before. However self-discovery is more complex and it can take... a lifetime? Maybe I should put this in the beginning of the DD thread... maybe I will..
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Fry_B
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« Reply #625 on: 11-03-2006 17:35 »
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Originally posted by Writer unit32: F'corse not, what are you crazy?Taht didn't get on TV yet...
I like your optimism - the yet part - This is done by Avatarium, check it out: Fry & Leela in Bed(If this was an actual framegrab , things would be radically different in the Futurama universe and many posters here would be a lot happier - myself included) And I cannot resist posting this by Fry-x-Leela You Will Like This One
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Xanfor
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No, that's a real tan. You see, their honeymoon was near a beach, and Leela, well, wanted to... You know... On it.
Why isn't Leela tan then, you axe? Well, you see, Leela can't tan. It's her mutant genes' fault.
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coldangel
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Originally posted by SpaceCase: I find it an interesting artifact of Leela's character design, that she lacks conventional depth perception, and doesn't seem to see the depth of feeling Fry has for her.
I've made that metaphorical connection before - she sees the world, life and the Universe, in two dimensions, literally and figuratively. That's why she needs Fry, to be her second eye.
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Fry_B
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia: I don't know why anyone would want to do it on a beach. Beaches are gross. You get sand everywhere. Well, it depends on the skills and degree of desperation... And remember not all cities have beaches nearby. Where I used to live before, you would only get to a beach on holidays, so once you got there you bloody well wanted to do it there ! So there's one reason Oh, oh-oh.... plus it's ROMANTIC. Everyone says axe, but I think it's meant to be aks. And asked should be aksed, not axed. Like in the book 'Deadly, Unna?', theres a character that says aksed instead of asked. I kept using aks, and I was about to switch to ax, so you now I am confused. I believe the sub-titling on the TEN network in Aust uses 'ax' (that may be automated).. no clue.
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Fry_B
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« Reply #636 on: 11-04-2006 04:16 »
« Last Edit on: 11-04-2006 04:16 »
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia: We live about 15 minutes from the beach and I've only been to the beach like 5 times in my life. I hate the beach. Sand and sunburn and disgusting fish and probably syringes (well probably not) and disgusting tasting salt water and the water is probably cold. It's all ewww, not romantic. It's psychological - because it's so close you never go unless someone comes to visit -was that in I Dated a Robot?. Also I don't want to speculate but it may also be other personal factors having to do with previous unpleasant experiences, fallacies of all kinds... blah-blah-blah.. . Here we go, off-topic again ... Unless...[thinks hard - ow] you consider the (beach-related, here) implications of Fry not paying off the prof (gay) bully that ruined his sand castle In the Aliens Attack to pretend he'd been beaten by Fry and thus have Leela swoon and adore Fry . A letargic, rather careless Fry ? Too early in the series ? 'You take her' - well any woman would take exception to that - why did she not kick Fry on the spot ?...maybe she really did not care that much yet and she had seen enough jerks to get used to being treated like a meatbag ? Hmm..
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