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SpaceCase

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« Reply #40 on: 10-12-2006 14:28 »
« Last Edit on: 10-12-2006 14:28 »

 
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Originally posted by jle1993:
*takes notes* Rules of Engagement?
Geeze! I can hardly open my mouth without confusing someone!   frown
The forgoing was not intended as a dig at jle1993, nor anyone else.

Might I suggest you look here?

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Whoa. TOTPD!



Everybody do "The Robot!"   wink
Uh, except Bender...
jle1993

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« Reply #41 on: 10-12-2006 14:32 »

Oh right, Thx Spacey
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« Reply #42 on: 10-12-2006 14:44 »

New Page.

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My work here is done.  wink

jle1993

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« Reply #43 on: 10-12-2006 14:45 »

 big grin
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #44 on: 10-12-2006 19:22 »

O.o A double date? ... and Leela looks slightly worried at Fry's intake of coffee...


And this is just a cute picture for the hell of it.
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« Reply #45 on: 10-12-2006 19:32 »
« Last Edit on: 10-12-2006 19:32 »

Aw, Fry looks so cute in your second picture Tastes Like Fry.  love



Yet another fight between those two... Awww  tongue  The shippy part of me hopes it be sexual tension  tongue.
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« Reply #46 on: 10-12-2006 20:22 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Sweet is all well and good in small doses, but I think what Leela would really respect is a bit of assertiveness. She's a strong woman; strong and self-reliant, and so that's the kind of thing she'd look for in a potential mate. Fry needs to take some initiative, grab her by the shoulders one day and just plant a big hard kiss on her. She'd probably kick him in the head, but she'd still respect him for having the guts, and he could work from there.

The way she respects Zapp for his constant, pushy advances?  roll eyes  I think someone’s been reading too many “sweet savage love” stories...or maybe Gor novels.  puke

There may be some women who “respect” someone aggressively violating their personal space, but Leela shows no signs of being one of them - again, look at Zapp, who does it all the time.  He’s climbed in her BED on the ship, and she walloped him, and yet this “respect” thing does not seem to have appeared in their relationship. 

Leela’s healthy enough to respect those who respect her...and being a masher is not remotely respectful.

 
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The constant whining and grovelling ain't what a woman like Leela would find in the least bit attractive.

Agreed.  But she seems most attracted to Fry when he’s being sweet; when he’s concerned for her, or sincerely trying to make her happy, or going all out to save her.

 
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Originally posted by jle1993:Fry doesn't have any confidence because he's been treated like crap by everyone, even Leela. I'm sure he be more assertive if people treated him better.

Fry?  Not having any confidence?  BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!

Fry is far more confident than a deadbeat slacker fanboy has any reason being - sure he thinks of himself as a loser, but he’s reasonably confident of his ability with the ladies...at least, in the wooing portion (even giving Zoidberg lessons in how to “score” ).  And indeed, when we first met him, he not only had an attractive girlfriend (Michelle...whatever else you can say about her, she hadn’t been hit by the ugly stick), but he proved himself fully capable of going to a club and leaving with a lovely one-night-stand in "Loves Labors Lost in Space," and was rather smoothly chatting up the Amazon woman in "Brannigan Begin Again."

Fry’s awareness of his own loserdom regards the realm of financial success and, er, social couth...but he seems rather happy with his niche, all the same, only regretting his lack of achievements when it gets in the way of his getting something else, something he really wants.  Fry’s serene self-assuredness in the face of his utter geekboyness is one of the funniest and most original parts of his character.

And Leela does NOT treat him like crap!  Which leads me to...

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Leela's a cow. In The Farnsworth Parabox, after it's revealed that she'd been making up fake reasons to avoid going out with Fry and he got really hurt and angry, she never once apologised. Cold.

Watch it with the insults...some of us take slams at Leela rather personally. <glare>

As for “Parabox,” We didn’t SEE her apologize...but she looked plenty shame-faced while her ploy was being revealed, and in the end she agreed to go out with Fry...which was, I’m sure, all the apology he cared about.

Why do people think Leela treats Fry badly?  How would YOU handle a guy who just won’t take “no” for an answer, whether it’s delivered gently, harshly, humorously, or with mild contusions (TKOS)?  A person gets awfully tired of repeating herself.  Believe it or not, saying “no” is no picnic...it’s uncomfortable, unpleasant and difficult.  NOBODY likes to make someone else unhappy, especially not someone you know and like.  And Leela has has to do it over and over again, or else do something purely because she’s been pressured...I’d get a bit annoyed, too!


 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Something Fry should have said at one point and never did... or rather something I would have had him say if I was a writer, is "You have a beautiful eye". I think she would have been really touched by that...It's likely something nobody's ever said to her before.

Now, I like that idea a lot better.  He has said she’s beautiful, but she might be subconsciously inserting “except for the eye thing” whenever someone says that.  If Fry said outright that it was beautiful, she couldn’t mistake him.


Now that’s something we can ALL enjoy...  love
HopelessShipper

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« Reply #47 on: 10-12-2006 20:25 »
« Last Edit on: 10-12-2006 20:25 »

   
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Originally posted by fryandlemon:
Aw, Fry looks so cute in your second picture Tastes Like Fry.     love

Yeah, nothing lets a man's heart out like a cooler of beer!

Anyway, I'm still pulling party line with Shiny on UST. Fry+Leela don't have unresolved sexual tension, as much as they do unresolved romantic tension. It was a classic post that I can't find right now.

Hopeless "I want MY SPECIFIC pudding!" Shipper

EDIT: Oh crap! I missed the Leela's a cow thing! Oh well, Shiny managed to uphold Leela's honor quite well indeed.    big grin 
(And a good HA HA HA to the Gor novels comment!)
Venus

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« Reply #48 on: 10-13-2006 01:45 »

Yeah, uh. I was gonna say something but Shiny beat me to it. But that's a good thing it saves me from all that typing. Which is kinda difficult when you have a cat in your lap mauling your knee.
coldangel

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« Reply #49 on: 10-13-2006 04:09 »

Well there's a difference between being a lewd wanker (Zapp) and simply taking some initiative. However, noting my own history with relationships I must retreat and concede the point.

Actually, come to think of it... I have no business being in this thread!! I haven't had a girlfriend in more than six years!!
WAAAAUUUAAAGH!!
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« Reply #50 on: 10-13-2006 06:31 »

Yeah, I don't think Fry should be more assertive than he already is. If a guy kissed me when I didn't want it like your suggesting Fry should do, I would be really not happy and it would be really awkward. Fry has made it obvious that he's interested and now it's up to Leela to make the 'first' move. Like how she gave him a little kiss in The Why Of Fry. (That was the episode, wasn't it?)
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« Reply #51 on: 10-13-2006 06:39 »

Pfft. Leave it up to her and nothing will ever happen.
She has commitment issues.
Cyberphobia

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« Reply #52 on: 10-13-2006 06:46 »
« Last Edit on: 10-13-2006 06:46 »

Yeah, but that's why Fry has to keep being sweet and romantic and keep saving her life and stuff but he can't go out and kiss her because that would push Leela away further. He needs to wait for Leela to do it first.

Leela will eventually realise her feelings for Fry if he just keeps doing the kinda thing he already does.
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #53 on: 10-13-2006 06:47 »

Yes, yes it was.
I agree completely. If the perservierance and confidense to ask her out is not enough to sway her, than there is nothing else that can be done.Most people are actually quite impressed that someone would hae the guts to ask them out on a date, no matter how they feel about them. Give her time, and one of those times she'll sa yes. Ther's no need to resort to a strong approach if it's not what she wants.
jle1993

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« Reply #54 on: 10-13-2006 06:58 »
« Last Edit on: 10-13-2006 06:58 »

Right, you say Leela doesn't treat Fry like crap, and to a point I agree. Don't get me wrong, Leela like a personality idol to me, all the asskicking and stuff, but she could be nicer.

Fry gave her his oxygen and no thank you. On this point I do admit that she did that soppy 'happy valentines day' thing but still, a simple thank you would have been nice.

The same point after she woke up in the sting, all she said to him was that he needed a shower, undoubtably true, but she didn't need to point it out at the time.

And the worms, the whole I love what you've become thing, that was mean, ment or not, that was mean. Heres Fry, doing his best to woo her, and she falls for a parasite inside him, she didn't even give him a chance. You may say thats because he mentioned Amy and played the holophoner crap, but if you really look at it, you see that she dismissed him as soon as he said he'd got rid of the worms.

Fry has done amazing things for her, done pretty everything a guy can do for her, and she won't give him a break.

But on the hand that respects and idolises Leela, I do defend some of that.

All through her life, Leela has been alone and unloved, shes been picked on and used. All the men in her life have just wanted her for getting lucky and personal gain, never actually loving her.

She thinks her eye is ugly and because of whats happened in her life, she's probably begun to believe that no-one can love her, or think that she's beautiful just the way she is.

Enter Fry. Heres a man who says he loves her and calls her beautiful, even gets angry when she changes herself. Leela probably doesn't or can't believe that he's serious, thinking that he's trying to use her like everyone else.

But he carries on trying to woo her and now shes not sure, either he's desperate or he actully loves her. Because of her past shes likely to believe the first option and carry on rejecting him.

And still he carries on trying, and this tiny bit of her mind begins to believe that maybe he loves her. But because she doesn't love herself, she can't believe that Fry could love her, and the bit of her mind that believes Fry loves her is shut away.

Fry needs to get Leela to see herself the way he sees her, lovely and beautiful before he can actually make her reliase that he loves her. And I think that maybe he achieved that at the opera...

I'll shut up now

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« Reply #55 on: 10-13-2006 07:12 »
« Last Edit on: 10-13-2006 07:12 »

All are valid points and I'm kinda torn.

But I will say about the needing a shower thing in The Sting: I'm pretty sure they were just joking and didn't mean anything by it. I thought it was cute that they're comfortable enough with each other to be able to say that. Plus she did give him a nice hug and she doesn't hug him THAT often. And I sorta felt the "It got through Fry, it got through" line was a bit of a thankyou, even if she didn't use the proper words.
jle1993

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« Reply #56 on: 10-13-2006 07:38 »

Yeah, I suppose. I think the hug was more relief than thanks though.

I think that was the closest Leela got the admitting to herself that she has feelings for Fry, as opposed to when he had the worms or when he had the robot devils hands.
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« Reply #57 on: 10-13-2006 07:43 »
« Last Edit on: 10-13-2006 07:43 »

Thank you, Cyberphobia that was what I was going to say about the shower thing.  It was an affectionate joke.  And the "it got through" hug was totally a thank you (You have to realize that Futurama is written by over-intelligent people who are usually going to want to find a "creative" way for characters to express something, if they can).

On the matter of Parasites Lost...having written a (small) story about that very episode, I will leave that to express most of my opinions about Leela's reactions, but I'll add this: the holophonor Frankenstein confused her, but didn't put her off...it was when Fry smashed the flowers and started going on about how cool the vase exploding was that Leela first pulled up the sheet (putting a barrier between herself and Fry...a nervous reaction, meaning that she is scared, not offended).

And there's an insight someone else made about it that I have to go search for....hang on, it was really good....

Ah, found it!  It was from BrainSluggo:

   
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:

...I believe Leela--mistakenly--interprets Fry's decision to get rid of his worms at the end of Parasites Lost as a form of rejection of her.

They're all over each other, and suddenly he hops up and leaves. He comes back, "tests" their relationship, and says he got rid of the worms because HE WASN'T SURE ABOUT HER FEELINGS FOR HIM. (Oy gevalt. Leela gets a lot of flack about "I love what you've become" line, but this one's worse. Try it out on YOUR lover and find out! No, don't.)

Shiny "Subtly but Shamelessly Plugging Her Own Fic" J. Fangirl, over and out
jle1993

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« Reply #58 on: 10-13-2006 07:53 »

But why was he not sure in the first place, because she said she loved what he'd become. If she'd really loved him, and not just what the worms had made him, she wouldn't have said that.

And have you all ignored the fact that I defended Leela as well as atacked her, I gave both sides not just one.
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« Reply #59 on: 10-13-2006 08:13 »
« Last Edit on: 10-13-2006 08:13 »

I'm not ignoring that you defended her, I just have nothing else to add about it...I agree with you there.   smile

And the crux of the worms matter to Leela seems to be (IMHO): did the worms just enable Fry to express his true feelings for her, or did the worms cause him to love her (as opposed to just lust for her) to begin with?!

Imagine that your happiness, your emotional equillibrium, your closest friendship, and perhaps even your ability to do your job depended on that question, and you'll see how much Leela has riding on that question, and why trusting that might be difficult...difficult enough that you say something stupid at a vulnerable moment, subconsciously saboutaging your own happiness because you really feel deep down that NO ONE could possibly love you.

Oh.  I made myself sad...   frown
jle1993

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« Reply #60 on: 10-13-2006 08:14 »

Which is exactly what I said in my defence of her.
Shiny

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« Reply #61 on: 10-13-2006 08:17 »

Right, so I agree with you!


...what were we talking about again?   tongue
jle1993

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« Reply #62 on: 10-13-2006 08:26 »

Leela and how she treats Fry and Why she treats him that way
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« Reply #63 on: 10-13-2006 10:36 »
« Last Edit on: 10-13-2006 10:36 by coldangel_1 »

Woooo.... deep.

Well, all I can say is, love or not, if I was Fry I'd have given up that lost cause long ago and retreated into a comfortable little ball of disgruntled cynicism to never again let someone close to me...
Which is basically what I have done in real life.
Gotta hand it to the boy, he can really take a kickin' and keep getting up again. That's either really strong or monumentally stupid... and he don't seem the strong type.
jle1993

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« Reply #64 on: 10-13-2006 10:59 »

He's not that stupid, just very devoted
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« Reply #65 on: 10-13-2006 11:09 »
« Last Edit on: 10-13-2006 11:09 »

Shiny, I just read that little story you linked to just above (about Seymour) and I haven't to say that it was absolutely brilliant! You're a fantastic writer!

Edit: Haha I just realised there's more than one story in that thread LOL! (I'm really dumb sometimes.) I just read the second story which confirms my opinion of your brilliant writting skills!
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« Reply #66 on: 10-13-2006 13:51 »

If I were a cynic (I am) I would say blind devotion in the face of constant rejection is the mark of a stupid man, a self-loathing man, or a masochist.

But it's still sweet. They're so cute together.
SpaceCase

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« Reply #67 on: 10-13-2006 14:04 »

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    Originally posted by coldangel_1:
    Pfft. Leave it up to her and nothing will ever happen.
    You may be right…
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    She has commitment issues.
    Not exactly: She has issues with abandonment, self-esteem, and the pain resulting from break-ups with the jerk d’jour. 
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    Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
    Yeah, but that's why Fry has to keep being sweet and romantic and keep saving her life and stuff but he can't go out and kiss her because that would push Leela away further. He needs to wait for Leela to do it first.

    Leela will eventually realise her feelings for Fry if he just keeps doing the kinda thing he already does.
    There’s the risk. What if Leela takes so long to “realize,” that Fry gives up?
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    Originally posted by jle1993:
    And the worms, the whole I love what you've become thing, that was mean, ment or not, that was mean. Heres Fry, doing his best to woo her, and she falls for a parasite inside him, she didn't even give him a chance. You may say thats because he mentioned Amy and played the holophoner crap, but if you really look at it, you see that she dismissed him as soon as he said he'd got rid of the worms.
    Not exactly.
    Yes, when Fry got rid of the worms, his “enhancements” went with them, and he lost a lot of attractiveness to Leela, but when Fry asks her to let him try to woo her on his own she says, “Oh... I don’t know.”
    Leela dismissed Fry because,
    • He got rid of the worms (of course)
    • Displayed his immaturity (explosion sounds over the broken vase)
    But the deal-breaker was:
    • His abject lack of good judgment (at mentioning a former lover)
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    I'll shut up now
    HEY!
    Get yer own lines!  wink 
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    Originally posted by jle1993:
    He's not that stupid, just very devoted
    So’s my dog (God love her pointed little head), but she’s still as dumb as a bag of hammers!
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    Originally posted by coldangel_1:
    If I were a cynic (I am)...
    Friend, pal, bruddah!  wink
    I am the optimist’s natural enemy: No not a pessimist, not even a cynic, but a sarcastic cynic!  evil laugh 
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    I would say blind devotion in the face of constant rejection is the mark of a stupid man, a self-loathing man, or a masochist.
    Fry is neither a masochist, nor has he issues of self-loathing, so... draw your own conclusions.  smile

    Now, having said all this, I think Fry an Leela were intended to be together in some way from the outset of the series.

    I guess that makes me a romantic sarcastic cynic.
    Imagine all that fitting inside one person's head...
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    « Reply #68 on: 10-13-2006 14:58 »

    I give up, I defend Leela against my own attack and I get attacked anyway *throws hands in the air*

    Whatever I do people will hate me, so why do I even try

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    « Reply #69 on: 10-13-2006 17:31 »

    I agree that Leela just has way to much to lose in this situation. At least in her mind. Several times she has seen Fry hook up with someone, be all about that person for a little while, and then lose interest fairly suddenly. She could very well be afraid that he would be into her long enough for her to fall for him and then he'd get bored.

    And as stated before she really doesn't think to highly of herself. Perhaps she's afraid that if she really let Fry in he'd 'see her for who she really is' and go running for the hills. That's probably not too much of an issue anymore, she really seemed to mellow after being reunited with her family, plus all of the really major things Fry did for her during the fourth season, but old fears die hard.

    He really does seem to be the closest thing she may have ever had to a best friend. And i've been ditched by a best friend before. It really sucks. And you miss that relationship when it's gone. So for someone who may have never had a best friend before it may not seem worth the risk to push things farther. Plus the fact that they'd still have to work together, so even if he hurt her badly she'd still have to face him everyday. And how would she deal if he hooked up with someone else soon after?

    Obviously we all know that Fry would never do such a thing but she doesn't have the benefit of that outside view.

    So says I, the Great Queen of Ship.
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    « Reply #70 on: 10-13-2006 22:48 »

     
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    I give up, I defend Leela against my own attack and I get attacked anyway *throws hands in the air*

    We’re not attacking you, we’re arguing with your points. We like you just fine! 

     
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    Whatever I do people will hate me, so why do I even try

    Dear, nobody hates you.  We just love to argue.  Did you know that “forum” comes from the ancient Latin root meaning “Place where people come together to wildly gesticulate and yell loudly without pausing?”  (Okay, so it really means “marketplace.”  Same thing! Have you ever SEEN a Mediterranean haggling session?  wink )

    You’ve got to understand, some of us live and breathe to argue tiny little points of character and continuity into the ground.  It’s not hostility, it’s our idea of FUN.  It’s like spending all day throwing a basketball at a hoop all by yourself, and then someone comes along who approaches your own skill level...who can actually give you some good competition.  Suddenly you have incentive to reach farther, throw harder, really extend yourself; and you either learn where your limits are (so you know what you need to work on to improve) or you surprise yourself by playing better than you thought you could.  Usually both.  Either way, it’s a LOT more fun than playing alone.   And often the other person surprises you and teaches YOU (generic “you,” not you specifically, jle) something...in the case of discussion, it’s bringing up a point or making an insight you missed, and some of us love that moment the most of all!

    But we’re not attacking you...well, okay, I must admit that sometimes I, and others, um, over-react when people criticize Leela...but it’s because we’ve seen a lot of people, in the forums and also in fanfics over at The Leela Zone/Futurama Madhouse, claim that Leela is cold-hearted, cruel, that she’s just stringing Fry along so he can be her worshipper but not letting him achieve actual boyfriendhood, and other much worse things.  People have called her a slut (and I even defend Amy from that accusation; Leela’s damn near a nun in comparison), a user, a manipulative bitch, and...

    ...Well, let’s just say that people in general seem to judge Leela WAAAY more harshly than Fry, conveniently forgetting the times that Fry was sleazy rather than sweet (like the “time shelter” he prepared in the closet for the two of them...Oy!  roll eyes ), or even downright mean - like joining Zapp’s mutiny just so he could drink beer in his underpants...he did look have the good grace to look ashamed when she confronted him, but I’m sure that whole incident hit Leela’s abandonment/betrayal hot button.

    So okay, I admit, we may be a bit quick to defend Leela’s honor (it’s one of Her Shippiness the Incomparable Venus’s titles, remember), and if I was too quick to jump in, I apologize.  I admit that it was more some of coldangel’s phrasing (sorry, dude) that riled me up ( calling Leela a “cow,” and suggesting Fry engage in minor sexual assault to earn Leela’s respect...sorry, man, but for a few minutes there I wondered if you’d been frozen in the 1950's and only just emerged...  wink ). 

    Actually, jle, my first post didn’t object to what you’d said about Leela, but about Fry (re: lack of confidence).  But then you responded, not to my points about Fry, but about Leela; you pointed out places where you thought Leela had been mean, and since I don’t see her actions as mean in those cases, I explained why I thought otherwise. 

    Perhaps I spent too little time saying how I agree with you.  You do see Leela’s hurt side, and her insecurity.  I think we probably agree more than we disagree.  But PEEL is rather known for active (but polite) debate.  Just remember that we're just disagreeing with your arguments, NOT disliking you!

     
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    Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
    Shiny, I just read that little story you linked to just above (about Seymour) and I haven't to say that it was absolutely brilliant! You're a fantastic writer!

    Edit: Haha I just realised there's more than one story in that thread LOL! (I'm really dumb sometimes.) I just read the second story which confirms my opinion of your brilliant writting skills!

    Thank you!  big grin  But actually the link should have taken you to the third story on that page, “The Other Side of Parasites,” which was actually on topic...

    [Shiny tests link]   Hmmm....it worked for me.  Maybe your software is different.  Anyway, that’s the one I meant to refer to.  Not that I’m displeased that you read the others! 

     
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    Originally posted by coldangel_1:
    If I were a cynic (I am) I would say blind devotion in the face of constant rejection is the mark of a stupid man, a self-loathing man, or a masochist.

    I believe it’s none of those...well, okay, he is pretty stupid.  But even Fry has a tiny drop of self-respect, as when he walked out on Michelle in “The Cryonic Woman,” setting off alone even though he thought she was his only friend in the world in the year 4000...that took gumption.

    No, I think the possibility you haven’t considered is that Fry has just retained enough of his innocent optimism to believe, well, in his own words “Nothing is over as long as there's one thin ray of hope!”   And before you pity him his naivete, remember, it was his steadfast hope (and willingness to go to extremes because of it) that got Bender back to Earth from drifting through space, and got Leela out of a two-week coma. That’s a powerful force, right there...  love   
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    « Reply #71 on: 10-13-2006 23:33 »

     
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    Originally posted by jle1993:
    I give up, I defend Leela against my own attack and I get attacked anyway *throws hands in the air*

    Whatever I do people will hate me, so why do I even try


    Woah! I promise you that no one here hates you!

    I know that Shiny already went into a very complex post about this (which I completely agree with I might add) but when people 'argue' on an internet forum like we are, it's that we disagree with aopinions and points of view, not that we hate the person. It's actually great to have people with differant views and ideas and it helps us to analyse things better.

    But then I wouldn't even use the word argue anyway. I think of it all as a discussion. Arguing is when everyone's really mad and writting in capitals and stuff. But everyone seems pretty happy to me.

    Plus a lot of us have agreed with some of your points.

    So don't stress! We love you! (And I especially love you awesome fanfic!)
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    « Reply #72 on: 10-14-2006 02:19 »

    Fear of losing a best friend is a good one. Chicks have pulled that excuse on me before. I suppose it holds some weight.
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    « Reply #73 on: 10-14-2006 03:58 »

    ^Yeah I've had to use that one recently LOL. He's kinda given up now so that's good LOL (I'm not mean, I swear!)
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    « Reply #74 on: 10-14-2006 04:58 »

    No, not mean... surrrre  tongue
    Sometimes though, it's better to be mean than to be dishonest.

    Irks me though, because I know it's not the real reason. I'm a big boy, I can bear the truth that I'm considered repugnant and most women would sooner have themselves skinned and rolled in salt than spend five minutes alone with me. I understand that and coudln't agree more. If I was a woman I'd hate me too. I'd just rather them not insult my intelligence by lying about it.
    I don't want my feelings spared. I just want truth.

    Ugh... okay. Enough about me.
    Put it in a relevant context... In TFP Fry was more upset that Leela had made up excuses not to go out with him than he would have been if she'd just said no. The lie is the extra kick in the 'nads.
    jle1993

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    « Reply #75 on: 10-14-2006 07:13 »

    Hi Guys, sorry for my outburst earlier, I guess I'm just use to having to defend myself and such.
    enough about me

    I actually feel sorry for Leela. I think Fry doesn't really help matters really, I mean he gets off with random women (21th century chick, his grandma, Michelle, nuff said) while all the time saying he loves her. A very mixed signal I doth believe. If she went out with him, she probably thinks he'd be oogaling other women (we know he wouldn't but Leela doesn't).
    Leela probably makes excuses, as an attempt to not hurt his feelings, rather than to give him an 'extra kick in the nads'. Plus she might be worried that if she says flat no she'll lose him as a friend. Poor Leela, I don't think she knows what she wants really.
    Rant over
    Cyberphobia

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    « Reply #76 on: 10-14-2006 07:46 »

     
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    Originally posted by coldangel_1:
    No, not mean... surrrre   tongue
    Sometimes though, it's better to be mean than to be dishonest.

    Irks me though, because I know it's not the real reason. I'm a big boy, I can bear the truth that I'm considered repugnant and most women would sooner have themselves skinned and rolled in salt than spend five minutes alone with me. I understand that and coudln't agree more. If I was a woman I'd hate me too. I'd just rather them not insult my intelligence by lying about it.
    I don't want my feelings spared. I just want truth.
    Ooooh but when I said it, it wasn't a lie! That was my real reason!
    coldangel

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    « Reply #77 on: 10-14-2006 09:14 »
    « Last Edit on: 10-14-2006 09:14 by coldangel_1 »

    Hey, Leela falls for random men too.
    Zapp, Alkazar, Gay Beach Bully, Adalai, William Shatner, Chaz... did I miss any?

    To be fair, I can't blame her for William Shatner. I'm a straight male and even I am a little turned on by him.
    ...what? What are you looking at? Bugger off.

    Point being - humans, pitiful creatures that they are, have certain disgusting physical drives that require outlets. Since Fry wasn't allowed to have Leela, and Leela wouldn't ALLOW herself to have Fry, they both sought physical intimacy elsewhere. Foolish mortals - I WILL DESTROY THEM!

    "Ooooh but when I said it, it wasn't a lie! That was my real reason!"
    -If I said 'that's a first for a woman', would you consider me sexist, or just jaded?

    By the way, I was being sarcastic about Shatner, he's a pudgy blowhard. Give me Sean Connery any day!
    jle1993

    Liquid Emperor
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    « Reply #78 on: 10-14-2006 09:20 »

    Yeah, but when Leela fell for different men, she wasn't declaring her undieing love for someone else was she?
    Cyberphobia

    Bending Unit
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    « Reply #79 on: 10-14-2006 09:31 »

    William Shatner? Wait, my memory's gone really bad and I'll be kicking myself when you tell me but... who's he again?

    Er sexist I think...
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