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jle1993

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« Reply #120 on: 10-15-2006 15:11 »

How about counciling. Same as therepy but free for the patent, sometimes people need to talk, cry or scream, and have someone to listen and give medication and help, someone who you don't know and don't give a rats ass if they judge you.
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« Reply #121 on: 10-15-2006 18:57 »

It seems you've made it to two threads. Cheers.  big grin
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« Reply #122 on: 10-15-2006 20:10 »

I dunno about anyone else, but after reading the last page or so of this thread I'm depressed.  Whatever happened to escapism?
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« Reply #123 on: 10-15-2006 21:21 »

Well Fred, when I want some escapism, I go and read your fine, if still in-progress, fanfic.  smile

The thread has temporarily taken a dark tone, but it will soon resume to it's normal style.  I just look and see the new members and contibitors that PEEL has attracted over the past couple of months.  jle has given us her fics and coldangle has given both fics and some fairly awesome artwork.

Fred, anytime you feel depressed, just remember that you are fortunate enough to live in England and not some Godforsaken part of the world like - Canada!

(I'm now awaiting the wrath of Nic and Layla)
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« Reply #124 on: 10-15-2006 21:41 »
« Last Edit on: 10-15-2006 21:41 »

You know who's Australian?  'Cause I'm a self-indulgent Yank myself...but I have to say that most "regular folks" in America have the same opinion as you about therapy: it's just rich, priviledged, cry-babies giving away good money to cynical lazy cads (ever notice how often "the shrink" is the bad guy in American crime/mystery shows?).

And I can understand that - a lot of people DO use therapy as a tool to indulge their narcissism and avoid actual action (though not as many as shown on TV...didn't we cover that already?   wink

Now pardon me while I engage in a bit of off-topicness - those not interested can skip to the end for a bit of on-topic content:

We now return you to actual Futurama content.



A very shippy image, to me.  Watch this scene in “Bicyclops.”  When Alkazar insults Leela’s pancakes, Fry stops eating and just stares. 

Yes, he stops eating.  The hands holding his knife and fork just hover there - in Futurama, I don't think we can blame it on lazy artists not bothering to show the motion.


Fry stops eating.  Think about that for a bit.   wink
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« Reply #125 on: 10-16-2006 00:52 »
« Last Edit on: 10-16-2006 00:52 by coldangel_1 »

I shall prevent further hyjacking of the thread by just saying that I have my own way of dealing with stuff, and *FOR ME* therapy is touchy-feely-queery garbage and I'd sooner dangle my balls in a toaster than talk about my emotions to some stranger. Now I don't know or really care what works for other people - other people are completely unrelated to me and are of no relevance. If it helps you in some way, then that's great I guess - but I follow a different path, and there are certain things in the world that I really can't see from any perspective but my own. (read: critical error in EMPATHY.exe subroutine).

Lets just say each to their own.

Now enough lighthearted banter: let's get serious for a moment.
I never before noticed that specific moment in Bicyclops, but it does seem to indicate a degree of concern on Fry's part. He's fairly politically correct for the most part with regard to gender equality - only time we ever really see Fry regress to sexism is in 'Amazon Women..' and then it is both encouraged by Zapp and intended as lighthearted jest. I think what we can see in the above picture is probably a (very rare) moment of moral disgust for Fry, coupled with defensiveness for his 'special friend'. If he didn't care deeply about her, or if he was a pig, then his response would be the same as young Bender there.

Good pick   smile
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« Reply #126 on: 10-16-2006 01:16 »

thats a good point, but the word "dumb" was the first word to my mind, just Fry's look makes it seem like his mind is failing to understand, he just stops in his tracks, but we also know that he has respect for leela, which may have changed his reaction.
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« Reply #127 on: 10-16-2006 03:11 »

He's probably having an internal struggle trying to decide if he should say something or not. He'd like to tell Al to go and get well and truly vivisected, but at the same time knows that Leela would be upset since the jerk seems to mean a lot to her. So Fry's stuck in a mental feedback loop.
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« Reply #128 on: 10-16-2006 05:22 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Well Fred, when I want some escapism, I go and read your fine, if still in-progress, fanfic.   smile

Thanks Ralph.  Any chance you could review my last update?

 
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The thread has temporarily taken a dark tone, but it will soon resume to it's normal style.  I just look and see the new members and contibitors that PEEL has attracted over the past couple of months.  jle has given us her fics and coldangle has given both fics and some fairly awesome artwork.

Yeah, I know.  It's just that Futurama - and by extension PEEL - is my way of getting away from life's problems, so when I come online and what's supposed to be an upbeat thread's taken a morbid turn, it gets me down.

 
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Fred, anytime you feel depressed, just remember that you are fortunate enough to live in England and not some Godforsaken part of the world like - Canada!

I live in England?

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« Reply #129 on: 10-16-2006 06:32 »

Don't let the constant rain fool you. England is a very cheerful place - happy as a clam.... dare I say 'gay'?
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« Reply #130 on: 10-16-2006 08:55 »

 
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I live in England?

Forgive me.  My wife informs me that Wales is in Great Britain, not England.  Conffusing the two is a great insult to both parties (Wales and England).

Yes, I read your last chapter, but have not commented on it, but I will within the next couple of days.  Somebody already beat me to the comment that this had to be a dream sequence; otherwise the story would be suddenly finished with a tragic ending.

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« Reply #131 on: 10-16-2006 09:01 »

I read your big post Shiny and I agree, though I personally haven't had much therapy and I'm quite happy with my life atm, I don't see anything wrong with therapy and your point of view makes perfect sense!
jle1993

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« Reply #132 on: 10-16-2006 12:05 »

I agree with Shiny on all points
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« Reply #133 on: 10-16-2006 13:00 »

Mmm. I'm gonna have to go with coldangel. He may not be entirely 'right' or 'correct' or 'accurate', but he's just so sexy.
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« Reply #134 on: 10-16-2006 13:32 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Mmm. I'm gonna have to go with coldangel. He may not be entirely 'right' or 'correct' or 'accurate', but he's just so sexy.
[SC raises an index finger]
Ahm...  confused
[Shakes head]

Naahh, never mind.
This time of the day, I don't have the mental bandwith to spare...  hmpf
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« Reply #135 on: 10-16-2006 19:55 »

Hokay, since I haven't been able to access this site for awhile and I don't want to make a long and ranty offtopic post so I'm simply going on with what relevant information Shiny has posted

 
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We now return you to actual Futurama content.



A very shippy image, to me.  Watch this scene in “Bicyclops.”  When Alkazar insults Leela’s pancakes, Fry stops eating and just stares. 

Yes, he stops eating.  The hands holding his knife and fork just hover there - in Futurama, I don't think we can blame it on lazy artists not bothering to show the motion.


Fry stops eating.  Think about that for a bit.    wink

Fry's being observant, it's part of the reason he comes to the conclusion that Leela's better off without him.
It's scientifically proven that men can't do two things at once, so Fry can't eat and think at the same time.  tongue

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Now enough lighthearted banter: let's get serious for a moment.
I never before noticed that specific moment in Bicyclops, but it does seem to indicate a degree of concern on Fry's part. He's fairly politically correct for the most part with regard to gender equality - only time we ever really see Fry regress to sexism is in 'Amazon Women..' and then it is both encouraged by Zapp and intended as lighthearted jest. I think what we can see in the above picture is probably a (very rare) moment of moral disgust for Fry, coupled with defensiveness for his 'special friend'. If he didn't care deeply about her, or if he was a pig, then his response would be the same as young Bender there.
In 'Amazon' Fry is as rude as the rest, but that was just in jest, they didn't realise it would offend. I think Fry has more respect for Leela than any other woman, even in 'Amazon' he responds to her in a respectful manner and looks to her for help.


... anyone else find this picture disturbingly kinky?   hmpf
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« Reply #136 on: 10-16-2006 22:01 »
« Last Edit on: 10-16-2006 22:01 »

   
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... anyone else find this picture disturbingly kinky?

No, but I can see where someone would get that impression.  >_>

I always figured Fry was just "going along" in AWitM.  Zapp was definately being the most piggish of them all, at any rate (which doesn't excuse Fry, but he did seem to be playing off of him and Bender most of the time), and Fry was pretty quick to admit defeat when they realized they were actually in serious trouble ("I'm through making fun of women. Now I want them to help me." ).

Leela looks appropriately annoyed in that picture.  It's been forever since I've seen that episode....
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« Reply #137 on: 10-16-2006 22:36 »

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... anyone else find this picture disturbingly kinky?    hmpf

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Yes. Yes! OH GOD YES!!
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« Reply #138 on: 10-17-2006 00:24 »

Officer 1BDI; of course she's annoyed, Zapp's there and Fry isn't defending her.

coldangel_1; I knew you would... is it the chains? ... It's the chains isn't it. And the expressions... and the fact that Leela looks ruffled...

damnit, there's a caption in my head and I'm not going to be able to rest until I type it... coldangel_1 this is for you...

Leela: [firm grasp on chain] Don't ever run away again, you're *my* bitch.
Fry: Yes, Captain

Innocence? On PEEL? Seriously, hasn't Futurama killed that already?
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« Reply #139 on: 10-17-2006 02:08 »
« Last Edit on: 10-17-2006 02:08 »

LOL thats an absolute classic, i don't know why but i must be nearly as stupid as Fry because i just sit there and watch, and nothing clicks until it's pointed out to me...
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« Reply #140 on: 10-17-2006 05:05 »

Heh heh. Well we know who's the *man* in that relationship. There's a pic in my art thread that illustrates that particular dynamic - Leela carrying Fry to her bed.
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« Reply #141 on: 10-17-2006 08:05 »
« Last Edit on: 10-17-2006 08:05 »

   
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Originally posted by Tastes Like Fry:
 Fry's being observant, it's part of the reason he comes to the conclusion that Leela's better off without him.
It's scientifically proven that men can't do two things at once, so Fry can't eat and think at the same time.      tongue

My first interpretation was that he was so shocked anyone would insult Leela like that he was just dumbfounded.  But dumbfounded enough to actually stop eating, that's impressive - we've seen him continue eating in other vaguely analogous situation (Mars U, later Cyberhouse Rules). 

It means that even that early, before he started actively pursuing Leela, she was still more important to him than food.     wink

   
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Originally posted by coldangel_1: I think what we can see in the above picture is probably a (very rare) moment of moral disgust for Fry, coupled with defensiveness for his 'special friend'.
In 'Amazon' Fry is as rude as the rest, but that was just in jest, they didn't realise it would offend.

Oh, I think they realized it would offend.  I just think that, in the midst of all that estrogen, they felt the need to "up the testosterone" in compensation...Fry being egged on by the more-obnoxious other two.  (And Kif remaining completely silent...guys who wonder why women find Kif attractive, there's your reason: he's a guy who doesn't need to resist sexism, he simply hasn't got any at all.

That's science fiction, baby.   tongue )

I agree with coldangel about the rare moment of moral disgust on Fry's part.  Also he was waiting for Leela to clobber Alkazar into next week.  When Alkazar manipulated Leela with a ploy that even Fry could see through, he left the table, knowing he had to do something about all this. 

   
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... anyone else find this picture disturbingly kinky?       hmpf

That's what I love about discussion boards...other people's insights constantly allow me to see things in a new way!     big grin

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« Reply #142 on: 10-17-2006 08:08 »

LOL, I never saw it that way before. Rather funny that it was pointed out.  laff
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« Reply #143 on: 10-17-2006 08:21 »

Hmmph... lot of anti-male talk roundabouts. I'm gonna fold my arms and glare and mutter darkly to myself.
jle1993

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« Reply #144 on: 10-17-2006 12:03 »

Now now Coldangel, don't take it personaly.
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« Reply #145 on: 10-17-2006 17:15 »

Yah. This is for all the males out there, not just you.
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« Reply #146 on: 10-17-2006 18:40 »

I've finally read all of this new thread, most of it having nothing to do with futurama, and then I got to the part about ABBFT, and am stunned. I've been off line for over a week now(long story short, I have pneumonia) and just yesterday, I was thinking about how Fry is so sweet in that ep, how he complements her cooking when everyone else disses it, and I come on-line and some one has pointed out something in that exact scene! I'm psychic! Hooray! smile

I was watching TKOS today, and I just can't get over that "man and wife" scene. I laugh so hard, and then I get mad at Leela. But, I can't stay mad, because apparently, I'm just like her (or so says that Which Futurama character are you quiz)Anyways, I soon start to trail off thinking about how Leela would've reacted had she seen the love note in the stars... Eh, my imagination is tapped out right now. I'm working on a fanfic right now (shameless plug) :)Alas, it may never see the light of day, because I have a terrible habit of not finishing things...

Back to topic: Fry and Leela, how will they do the new season/movie openning? Do you think that the writers will just ignore those happennings in TDHAIP? I hope not.
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« Reply #147 on: 10-17-2006 21:19 »

About the quiz thing, cool! You're Leela, you say? I turned out as Fry. Which is kinda an insult to my intelligence....
Anywho, I do beleive that they will ignore the happenings of TDHAIP. Look at all the other shippy episodes; The Sting, Love and Rocket, X-Mas Story. In the very next episode, it was as if nothing happened. Everything is right back at square one.

Besides, although that was a very sweet ending, and what Fry did was an amazing joust of love,it is simply not enough, I find, to turn Leela on. Look at the candy hearts situation. She found the hearts very flattering and all, but was quickly forgotten the next ep. Sweet, sentimentle, and all that jazz, but not really proving anything. He's already stated how much he loves her, but it's not enough.

It wasn't even the candy hearts that made Leela fall for him in that one episode, but the actions he made. He proved that he was willing to give up his life for hers. He didn't 'make' her love him by flattering her, but made an on-the-moment decision that said things just as clearly. That is what I, personally, am hoping  will happen at the end to resolve the relationship; some big life or death situation in which he shall risk all to save her.

Which would you rathe have?  wink
Ow, my finger is getting such a cramp from typing so much. The longest freakin' post I have ever made, but it spilled out all my thoughts and ideas on the subject.
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« Reply #148 on: 10-17-2006 23:55 »

I was Leela first, then I took the quiz again, and got Fry. Does that mean I'm my own soul mate?
I'm so lonely!
*sobs*
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Yeah, I agree with what you say. If you notice, Less than Hero takes place after a shippy episode (at this time it escapes me) but you'll notice that Fry and Leela are a bit closer. Check out when she's reading the cream. Fry is resting his hand on her shoulder. She never would have allowed this kind of contact before...

Well, I do think that it is gonna take some kind of spontaneous thing (like you say) to get them together. Some point where Fry isn't even trying, and then it'll happen.  love

I would think it was funny if in an ep Leela was dropping hints about perhaps getting together and Fry was totally oblivious to it. I don't know if that would be more hilarious or more like torture to all us shippers. wink
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« Reply #149 on: 10-18-2006 01:29 »

 
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Originally posted by LuvFry:
I was watching TKOS today, and I just can't get over that "man and wife" scene. I laugh so hard, and then I get mad at Leela.
...
Anyways, I soon start to trail off thinking about how Leela would've reacted had she seen the love note in the stars...

Heh, I got annoyed at Leela in that episode too, I only saw it for the first time a few weeks ago. Fry has done so many sweet things for her, and you can tell he has respect for her and all that jazz. I just can't see how, if she'd seen the stars, she would suddenly change her mind and be in the mood for marriage. As far as I'm concerned, Fry shouldn't have needed to move the stars for her to realise anything.  hmpf
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« Reply #150 on: 10-18-2006 01:38 »

Leela seems to like maintaining the status-quo. She'd never say it, but Fry is like her rock. He's basically her closest friend in the world, and with the life she's led growing up she'll fight really hard to keep him as he is, her friend and (paradoxical to his nature) a bastion of stability in her life, in which there is little else that can be depended upon. If she starts shagging him it could change everything, and change is something Leela is terrified of - Fry has Bender, but she doesn't really have anyone else to anchor her existence upon, only Fry.
That's why after Devil's Hands, she'll exchange some kind words, maybe kiss him on the cheek, then go home saying she'll see him Monday morning for work. He won't be entirely satisfied, but content nonetheless, because as much as he wants to get her out of her clothes and into bed he also feels the same way about their friendship.
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« Reply #151 on: 10-18-2006 02:03 »

Just because she starts 'shagging' him he'd no longer be her close friend?
'Friends' go through obstacles just as 'shaggers' do, it's a just a matter of mind over matter...I know what I mean. I don't know what I'm saying, but I know what I mean. Okay, what I meant was, any relationship goes through its ups and downs, whether it is between lovers, friends, siblings, parents and their children - why should it matter? Both Fry and Leela know how the other feels (well, at times) and they only have one life (unless they go freezing themselves for different lengths of time) so why not recognise what they have? Damn animated characters and their human characteristics.   roll eyes
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« Reply #152 on: 10-18-2006 02:16 »

Because the danger-instinct overrides reason like scissors overwhealm paper.
...but then rock beats scissors... and paper beats rock...
Kif, we have a conundrum.
any1else

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« Reply #153 on: 10-18-2006 02:26 »

Danger instinct, eh?
Haven't these people ever heard of a risk?
If there's one thing I've learnt from not being able to time-travel, it's that you can always go back to how things were before!
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« Reply #154 on: 10-18-2006 02:38 »
« Last Edit on: 10-18-2006 02:38 »

you'll find they'll keep Fry and Leela apart, perhaps for a while, to help keep the show in production, we'll be waiting for them to get together, and just when it seems they will...
BANG! they won't.
and you'll be waiting another episode, and then another and another and so on
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« Reply #155 on: 10-18-2006 02:44 »

Yes, I know the whole UST objective. But you know, some shows aren't so good if you let them go on for too long. Just because something is able to go on for a while doesn't mean it will always hold interest...

Not to say Futurama would be horrible if it kept going, just to ponder exactly how many situations of "yes...YES...oh   frown" they can think up before it gets silly and uneffective.
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« Reply #156 on: 10-18-2006 02:51 »

they've done it before, in the episodes we have now, they just haven't pointed out that Fry loves Leela so much at all and only in a few episodes, and then they cover it with some completely  unrelated episode...
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« Reply #157 on: 10-18-2006 03:00 »
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As long as the in-between episodes didn't lose lustre, I suppose one could forgive them for drawing it out.
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« Reply #158 on: 10-18-2006 07:15 »

The show has an ensemble cast to play with. That was one thing The X-Files (another UST-heavy show) never really had. With TXF it was just the two main characters and their unspoken love, and naturally that got old. With Futurama there's a whole swathe of other people with their own lives seperate from Leela and Fry that serve to distract from the constant frustration, thus they dynamic can sustain itself without viewer dissent.
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« Reply #159 on: 10-18-2006 07:17 »

 
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 He won't be entirely satisfied, but content nonetheless, because as much as he wants to get her out of her clothes and into bed he also feels the same way about their friendship.

Hey...That's not the only reason he loves her, you know. I get this feeling that he hasn't even really thought about sex with Leela as a main subject at all. Look at PL; she was all set to have sex, and if that's what he really wanted, he wouldn't have risked the opportunity by leaving. And he left to change himself, to try to see if she loved him not for his artificial intelligence or body, but for who he was. It had nothing to do with bedding her, seeing as how he actually made his physical appearance eerr...'less attracrtive' than its previous form. Of course, I guess he probably has an imagination too, and might have, you know, 'thoughts', but he would actually not be content if he even got sex. If she made love to him and the next morning went her seperate way (which I am sure she would not) he would still be as heartbroken as before.

In short, his feelings for her are not skin-deep. I sure hope you were kidding around when you made the above statement, I'd hate to see someone think that way. Although, it may just be the male mind at work... roll eyes
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