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ClonedWizard

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« on: 07-20-2006 03:18 »

Has anyone ever noticed a character acting out of character?  I know that sounds oxymoronic, but let me explain.  In "Fear of a Bot Planet", Fry says, "Oh. Kinda like how a warehouse is inhabited by boxes."

Now, knowing Fry, I cannot understand him saying that.  Just looking back at the first episode, Fry has wanted a robot for a friend since he was six.  He has more respect for robots than he does for warehouse boxes.  Every other line in that episode seems ok to me.

So, now that I've explained it, has anyone ever noticed a character acting out of character?  Why do you think it is out of character?

Also, feel free to "rip apart" my reasoning for why the line in "Fear of a Bot Planet" was out of character for Fry.  I welcome other points of view.
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« Reply #1 on: 07-21-2006 11:42 »

Whaaa...??
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« Reply #2 on: 07-21-2006 13:00 »

 
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Originally posted by ClonedWizard:
Has anyone ever noticed a character acting out of character?  I know that sounds oxymoronic, but let me explain.  In "Fear of a Bot Planet", Fry says, "Oh. Kinda like how a warehouse is inhabited by boxes."

Nope, that's a somewhat common type of thing for Fry to say. For example in Less Than Hero, he said, "Leela, is the person that parrot is mimicking telling the truth by proxy?"

Bring on the pudding!
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« Reply #3 on: 07-21-2006 13:52 »

I think maybe HS meant the general insensitivity of it, which Fry is prone to when he's not paying attention.  See also: "I, Roommate", "An Xmas Story".

The writer's of this show are fairly consistent with the characters - though I'm a big complainer about OOCness, it's nearly always directed at the fanfiction community, which often just slaps Fry, Leela, or Bender's name over their own rather uninteresting protagonists.

The only out-of-characterness that spring to mind immediately is Bender in "A Pharaoh to Remember."  I mean, we all know Bender is an asshole, but he doesn't usually enslave his friends.  Also, what was with the masochism/brown-nosing when he was a slave?

Other examples are times when Leela gets a little too passive-aggressive ("Yeah, I wasn't really paying attention" in "Spanish Fry" ).  Uh...that's all I got.
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« Reply #4 on: 07-21-2006 14:27 »

I would say Zoidberg in Where the Bugallo Roams, it's not Out of Characters, but kinda over exagerated and irritating.

Otherwise, Kif in War is the H-Word.
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« Reply #5 on: 07-21-2006 14:38 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
I think maybe HS meant the general insensitivity of it, which Fry is prone to when he's not paying attention.  See also: "I, Roommate", "An Xmas Story".

Ahhh. My bad. In that case I agree with Nerd-O that Fry is very capable of being an ass, most of the time he doesn't know that he is being hurtfull though.

I have no problem saying Bender was OOC on "A Pharaoh..." It's been discussed before so I won't get into any details other than saying that Bender cares very deeply about Fry/Leela.
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« Reply #6 on: 07-21-2006 14:53 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
I think maybe HS meant the general insensitivity of it, which Fry is prone to when he's not paying attention.  See also: "I, Roommate", "An Xmas Story".

That's true; that had not occurred to me.  The line still doesn't jibe with me, but I am accepting of it.

Everyone has good examples of OOCness.
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« Reply #7 on: 07-21-2006 15:32 »

Morris and Munda in LTH. Granted we havn't seen them enough to really know what their characters are, but they seemed different in LTH then in any other ep they were in.
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« Reply #8 on: 07-21-2006 15:39 »

It was funny when Bender enslaved his friends.  His character is intended to be an amoral, egomaniacal, and apathetic kind of character.  So no that was not out of character for Bender to enslave his friends.

However, Zoidberg enslaved everyone in "A Taste of Freedom".  That was kind of out of character even for Zoidberg.
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« Reply #9 on: 07-21-2006 16:38 »

Not really, he had the same basic plan in "The Farnsworth Parabox," Zoidberg's a sneaky little shit, he acts all buddy to fit in, but he'll turn on you the moment he thinks he can gain any power out of it
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« Reply #10 on: 07-21-2006 18:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Sk8PrO:
I would say Zoidberg in Where the Bugallo Roams, it's not Out of Characters, but kinda over exagerated and irritating.

Otherwise, Kif in War is the H-Word.
Nah, more like Kif in any episode with Amy.

It's hard to call Kif out of character because it sometimes seems like he is two different characters.  The exasperated, oppressed, emotionally exhausted sidekick, and the literally-and-figuratively spineless puddle of wussiness he turns into in his relationship-based episodes.  Personally, I prefer the former.

Getting back to the original point, his actions is WITHW are quite believable.  Give anyone that downtrodden a smidgen of power and he will go absolutely nuts with it, just to get his frustrations out.  Plus, his lines in that ep are too good to complain about:

"And mix those mixed nuts!  I see two almonds touching!"
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« Reply #11 on: 07-21-2006 22:44 »

Nerd-o, I disagree about Kif. He has one personality, what varies is his emotional condition. His puts up with any abuse from Amy for the same reason he puts up with it from Zapp - he's spineless (pun intended, lynch me if you want). The difference is that from Zapp, he ONLY gets abuse. From Amy, he gets abuse, but also gets action, and the net impact on his self-esteem is closer to 0.
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« Reply #12 on: 07-21-2006 22:58 »

The only character changed I've noticed was Leela seemily becoming more lazier and naivve as Fry and Bender.  In the early episodes, she was strict but kind.  She refused to kill Nibbler in exchange of Zapp saving their lives.  However, around the time Cubert and Dwight were introduced she seemed more laid back.  At the beginning of The Sting, Leela seem less rational when she went along with collecting bee honey.  She would've questioned about this mission if it were done in the first season.  Of course The Sting would've been less entertaining if that were the case.
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« Reply #13 on: 07-22-2006 00:59 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
The only out-of-characterness that spring to mind immediately is Bender in "A Pharaoh to Remember."  I mean, we all know Bender is an asshole, but he doesn't usually enslave his friends.

He doesn't usually have the means to do so.
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« Reply #14 on: 07-22-2006 06:40 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
The only character changed I've noticed was Leela... In the early episodes, she was strict but kind... around the time Cubert and Dwight were introduced she seemed more laid back. At the beginning of The Sting, Leela seem less rational... She would've questioned about this mission if it were done in the first season.
Valid points.
They may well be explained by writer-to-writer variation between episodes.
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« Reply #15 on: 07-22-2006 10:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Sk8PrO:
I would say Zoidberg in Where the Bugallo Roams, it's not Out of Characters, but kinda over exagerated and irritating.

Otherwise, Kif in War is the H-Word.

That's the one I was thinking of, he's nice to everyone except fry in that one episode, also his character is just lame bring back the agressive kif or kill him off I say!
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« Reply #16 on: 07-23-2006 17:37 »

Well, Kif's so used to taking Zapp's shit, he becomes like Zapp to Fry, so Kif winds up learning from Zapp
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« Reply #17 on: 07-23-2006 17:51 »
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
The only character changed I've noticed was Leela... In the early episodes, she was strict but kind... around the time Cubert and Dwight were introduced she seemed more laid back. At the beginning of The Sting, Leela seem less rational... She would've questioned about this mission if it were done in the first season.
Valid points.
They may well be explained by writer-to-writer variation between episodes.

Or perhaps she's been learning from Fry without realizing it...   wink

Edit: And Venus, I hate to say this, but the only reason you think Morris and Munda are out-of-character is because you've spent more time writing them than the Futurama writers have!  wink  wink  wink

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« Reply #18 on: 07-23-2006 19:43 »

Leela kind of acted out of character in TDHAIP when the Robot Devil wanted to marry her. 
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« Reply #19 on: 07-23-2006 23:22 »

In what way was she acting OOC?
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« Reply #20 on: 07-24-2006 09:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:

  Or perhaps she's been learning from Fry without realizing it...    wink

Or maybe both Leela and Fry are maturing and becoming more comfortable around each other.

Leela is beginning to lighten up because she now has a job she enjoys, a position of power (Ship's captain) that she's never had and friends that accept her as she is.

Fry is seeing that acting mature gets a positive response from Leela and it's his life's ambition to please her so that she'll see him as dating/mating material.

In Leela's Homeworld, Fry is the person that she opens up to, pouring her heart and soul out.  She would never do that with anybody else.

In 300 big Boys, she and Fry are seen sitting together and acting like close friends having a casual conversation.  Later, Fry uses his caffiene-induced super speed to clear burning room of the entrapped people (Leela first, of course) and extingusihing the fire.

In Spanish Fry, Leela is the one who is in charge of finding Fry's nose and she's the one who tries to protect Fry from Lrr (to the point of singing a Whitney Houston song - bleccchhhh!)

In Devil's Hands, she finally sees that Fry does have a beautiful inner soul that she had never seen before and she was angry and ashamed at herself for not seeing it before.  She was the one who stayed and asked Fry to finish playing after everybody had abandoned him.

They weren't out of character - they were slowly maturing and growing closer to each other emotionally.

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« Reply #21 on: 07-24-2006 11:58 »

Really nice observations Ralph !
Venus

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« Reply #22 on: 07-24-2006 16:54 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
 
Edit: And Venus, I hate to say this, but the only reason you think Morris and Munda are out-of-character is because you've spent more time writing them than the Futurama writers have!   wink   wink   wink


Sad but probably true
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« Reply #23 on: 07-24-2006 16:55 »

Aww, now you've got me feeling guilty because you didn't include a winky icon...  cry
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« Reply #24 on: 07-27-2006 15:44 »

Oh, Xanfor, don't feel sad.  You know how they make winky icons.  First with the genetic engineering, then with the "winky icon hospital" and then finally to Amy from Kif.

Speaking of which....

Isn't it out of character for Amy to be so blase about the origin of Romanticorp's Lovey Bears (TM)?  I mean, she saw the Lovey Bears (TM) being harvested -- shot at by the comic hunter, even cattle-prodded by the Professor -- yet she didn't protest?

(Well, maybe in between scenes she tried.  But the Professor did have that cattle prod to make sure his employees obeyed his sweetness dictum.  Oh yes, yes, hrm, I'm pretty sure he did.)

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« Reply #25 on: 07-28-2006 13:09 »

 
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... Isn't it out of character for Amy to be so blase about the origin of Romanticorp's Lovey Bears (TM)?  I mean, she saw the Lovey Bears (TM) being harvested -- shot at by the comic hunter, even cattle-prodded by the Professor -- yet she didn't protest?...
It’s been a while since I watched that ep, but I seem to recall Amy was completely nauseated that ‘Lovey-Bears’ were slaughtered animals, but she was... er “constrained” by Farnsworth’s orders.
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« Reply #26 on: 07-28-2006 21:01 »

I totally agree with you, SpaceCase. 

I just watched that ep yesterday, and used the pause button to study everyone's reactions, because I've heard people say that Amy and/or Leela was OOC about that.  But from my POV everybody showed sadness and/or shock. 

Amy's expression is the hardest to read in the group reaction shot, but it's definitely not happy.  She looks both sad and angry, if that's possible.  Later, when she has her hands clasped and delivers her line, her eyes are definitely sad, though she's forcing a smile.  The difficulty is that when combined with a smile, "sad eyes" can look like "awwww..." eyes.  When Amy finishes up, her smile looks almost genuine, but she still has the kinked lines on her upper eyelids. 

Given that her delivery of "Sooo cute...." was strained and a bit choked sounding (whereas her earlier lines were clear-voiced and sprightly), I'm relatively certain that the kinked eyelids are still meant to portray sadness.  (Possibly  the angle Amy's eyes are drawn at are also confusing the issue. )

Leela did not react as strongly as one would expect, but she had a serious case of "sad eye" going (and since she was the one who'd tasted the Professor's employee prod, she was probably trying very hard to not show anything more than that).

Zoidberg's reaction was subtle, but there does seem to be a sad cast to his eyes.

Fry's reaction is the strongest, his mouth falls open from shock.

Hermes and even the Professor look severely distressed, the "sad lines" poking up from behind their glasses.

Bender seems to show no reaction in the group shot...but during Amy's line his eyes are VERY sad.  Which is kind of adorable.


(This concludes the "Nerds With Too Much Free Time" report for this evening...  tongue )
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« Reply #27 on: 08-01-2006 13:11 »

You're right, Shiny! Sorry I couldn't find a grab during Amy's line, though... Bender looks great in that one...



Although Bender seems to show no reaction in this shot, like Shiny said, during Amy's line, his eyes are very sad. Which is very adorable, and tantamount to him saying 'Aww...' at the end of 'Leela's Homeworld'. Which in turn is tantamount to Spock yelling 'Jim!' at the end of 'Amok Time'. Not that any of these actions, whether by Bender or Spock, are out of character. These action show you a side of them you very rarely see. That's one of the reasons Bender and Spock are so popular. Spock is emotionless, and will go to extremes not to show it, but deep down he has them. Bender pretends not to care about living things, and will go to extremes to keep up the facade, but deep down... He cares. *Aww...*

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« Reply #28 on: 08-01-2006 16:06 »

bender can taste in a fishfull of dollars
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« Reply #29 on: 08-01-2006 16:34 »

Xanfor : yes. We can also see in "The Cyber House Rules" that he has feeling, at the ends, towards the kids  smile
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« Reply #30 on: 08-02-2006 01:01 »

Yes and in "Crimes of the Hot" he loves the turtles
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« Reply #31 on: 08-05-2006 10:16 »

I saw that some thought Kif was OOC in "War/H-word", and was gonna post eventually....but I agree with Nerd-o-rama when he said

 
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...Give anyone that downtrodden a smidgen of power and he will go absolutely nuts with it, just to get his frustrations out.  Plus, his lines in that ep are too good to complain about:

"And mix those mixed nuts!  I see two almonds touching!"

Also, notice that his first "snap at Fry" is clearly used by him to establish that, Zapp's bitch or not, he is Fry's superior officer and he (Fry) better act like he would to any officer, or else.  (Which Fry does...he is as oblivious to Kif as he would be to any other officer.  Heee!)

The "two almonds touching" incident occurs just after Zapp has corrected Kif (incorrectly) about what makes a drink "scotch on the rocks," and sunk a glass of...scotch on the rocks...into Kif's soft-bodied cranium.  His yelling at Fry is CLEARLY a way to discharge his humiliation and anger.  Just another "Boss yelled at Dad, Dad yelled at Mom, Mom slapped Junior and Junior kicked the dog" moment.

In the showers, however, Kif shows no inclination to interrupt Fry's "Walkin' on Sunshine" solo, despite Zapp's doing the "Looower...." thing to him.  To me this indicates that Kif is still a decent guy, because a true jerk would have felt that any other happiness in the vicinity should be immediately squashed if HE couldn't share in it. 


But...I can't believe I missed one of the nuances of the Kif discussion the first time I read through the thread.  Allow me to address it now....

 
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Originally posted by Gopher:
...Kif...puts up with any abuse from Amy for the same reason he puts up with it from Zapp - he's spineless (pun intended, lynch me if you want). The difference is that from Zapp, he ONLY gets abuse. From Amy, he gets abuse, but also gets action, and the net impact on his self-esteem is closer to 0.

AMY abuses KIF?!  She crushes his self-esteem in addition to boosting it?  Huh what?!  confused

If you said that Amy's boosting of his self-esteem offsets Zapp's abuse and makes the total net to Kif 0, I'd say you have a point.  But what in tarnation could you think was her ABUSING him? 

Not wanting to live with him on the Nimbus?  (But she refused so gently, and said he had "so much creativity and niceness," and clearly indicated it was not a rejection of Kif himself).  Because she freaked out and ran off when he was pregnant?  (But she came back, despite her deep-seated parent-induced fear, for the sole reason that she loved him). 

I can't figure out what else she might have done in that or any other episode that would, in the most radical interpretation of the text, qualify as abuse.  Her TATTOO abused him, but she yelled at and slapped it for that.

And there's her constant demonstration of how highly she thinks of him, my favorite of which is....

 
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Amy: Oh, Kif, it's so romantic I can't even wait! I'm gonna wear it right now.

[She puts some raw ambergris on. Her tattoo splutters, at which Kif smiles. Everyone else chokes at the stench.]

Mom: Who smells like freaking porpoise hork?!

Amy (proudly): I DO! Kiss me, Kif!

That, particularly the delivery on "I DO!", never fails to make me crack up and go all warm-hearted at the same time.

Abuse?  Feh!
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« Reply #32 on: 08-05-2006 10:57 »

I agree with everything Shiny just said. As if that's a surprise.
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« Reply #33 on: 08-09-2006 20:29 »

I have to agree with the lady shippers - Amy's been nothing but encouraging to Kif in every episode.  She knows he has the self esteem of a beaten dog, but she doesn't exploit it.  She knows taht Zapp beats him down every chance he gets, and I'm sure she silently cheers Leela on as she bashes and/or beats Zapp.

This is a woman who could have any man in the galaxy (and in her past she may have  wink ), but she  falls in love with a little, geeky, shy alien.  Why?  Because he loves her for her; not because she's an easy lay or she's the richest heiress in the Galaxy.

She still has her shallow moments, but the 'Easy Amy' of earlier episodes is replaced with a very caring, compassionate, supportive and understanding person (at least towards Kif).

Even though Amy was a minor character, I feel like she showed the most growth of any in the series.

Now if Leela would just take some well-intentioned advice about makeup tips...

Ralph 'running for his life away from Shiny and Venus' Snart
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« Reply #34 on: 08-09-2006 20:46 »

 
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She still has her shallow moments, but the 'Easy Amy' of earlier episodes is replaced with a very caring, compassionate, supportive and understanding person (at least towards Kif).

Or maybe she always was a very caring, compassionate, supportive and understanding person.  She was towards Fry, in "Put Your Head on My Shoulders".
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« Reply #35 on: 08-10-2006 02:33 »

Just as she was always a very shallow person on the, er, surface.

Caring, compassionate, supportive...just not very sensitive or "thinks before she speaks"-ish.

In other words, consistent throughout the show, with her nice inner self allowed more air time while Kif was around.

Not that I approve at all of Kif's sissiness around her.  I <3 Original Sarcastic Kif.
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« Reply #36 on: 08-10-2006 05:09 »

Now Amy has her moments - she loves to needle Leela.  Of course that's like dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight - one day it may come back to haunt her (it did in AOL I).
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« Reply #37 on: 08-10-2006 10:29 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
Just as she was always a very shallow person on the, er, surface.

Yes, shallow on the surface.  I used that same phrase to describe Quinn Morgendorffer once, and I think that it describes Amy equally well (even if the phrase itself doesn't make any sense).

 
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Not that I approve at all of Kif's sissiness around her.  I <3 Original Sarcastic Kif.

I prefer Kif's original personality as well, but don't blame his later sissiness on Amy.  He was already a squishy green wuss in "Brannigan Begin Again" and Amy's nowhere to be seen in that episode.
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« Reply #38 on: 08-10-2006 12:10 »

I also miss the bitterly sarcastic Kif - who still manages to throw some zingers at Zapp throughout the series.

Kif was wuss because he was in love.  Most guys feel the same when they meet the lady they so want to be with but are afraid they'll say or do something to mess up the relationship.  Kif just did it to the extreme.
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« Reply #39 on: 08-11-2006 11:39 »

Hey!  Kif isn't a spineless wuss.  At least, not totally.

He just has a system of fluid-filled bladders.  Which, on Amphibios 9, makes him teh macho.  But as a "doop" inductee, this forces him to be Zapp's inferior officer.  *sigh*

Myself, I think that from the time Amy and Kif first met on the Titanic, they knew they were meant for each other.  Both are brave but unrecognized.  Both take second stage to more popular characters.  And both have as yet unrealized potential.


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