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Xanfor

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« Reply #40 on: 08-11-2006 11:53 »
« Last Edit on: 08-11-2006 11:53 »

Some people are fascinated by 'Star Trek''s solution than the faster-than-light problem. Not me. I'm more fascinated by their solution to the sound-in-a-vaccum problem.



My 33rd TOTPD!

TomAllen

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« Reply #41 on: 08-11-2006 12:25 »

Oh yeah?  Then how do you explain the Smell-O-Scope?

Ha-ha-ha!  Ouch!  Hey, I'm Cubert's friend.  Why are you --?  Ouch!  Oof!  Help!  Doctor Farnsworth!
Futurama Llama

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« Reply #42 on: 08-16-2006 15:33 »

The Smell-o-Scope works like a...like a....um...aw, scrap it, I'm going to take a nap.
SpaceCase

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« Reply #43 on: 08-16-2006 20:53 »

 
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Originally posted by TomAllen:
Oh yeah?  Then how do you explain the Smell-O-Scope?
Too easy.

Materials can be identified by how much E/M radiation they emit or absorb.
Plot this degree of absorbtion or emission against frequency, and voila!
You have a spectrum unique to that material.
This process is the science of spectroscopy.
A trained operator, or expert computer program, can look a the squiggly line produced by a spectroscope, and figure out whats there, and how much.
With this information, it would be possible for the smell-o-scope to reproduce a representitive aroma from stored chemicals.

Gawd! I am such a geek!  roll eyes
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #44 on: 08-16-2006 22:56 »

i..didn't..understand that.
but i'm sure that if it uses such complicated words it must have some truth to it.
This is my explanation:
There is only one scientific termonology that can describe how the smell-o-scope works: magic. so there.  cool
Futurama Llama

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« Reply #45 on: 08-17-2006 08:59 »

I agree, KitKat. Fry calls Bender and some of the Prof.'s inventions magic too.
TomAllen

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« Reply #46 on: 08-17-2006 14:58 »

Yes, yes, SpaceCase.  Spectroscopic lines interpreted in olfactory fashion has been my default assumption.  (Cubert expained it to me.)  Not a full explanation, but adequate for non-Farnsworths such as I.

Oh, and this appears to be a doodle of myself as a cowboy.


SpaceCase

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« Reply #47 on: 08-17-2006 16:49 »

[*Tsk*]

[Pause]

Yeah...

  roll eyes
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #48 on: 08-17-2006 17:07 »

*high-fives llama*
its all magic. everything's magic. God is magic. i mean, c'mon. If you consider making the entire univers pop outta thin air when you existed in a time BEFORE time started anything but magic, there's something wrong with you.

nice explanation, though, spacecase. i couldn't come up with that.
probably cuz i blame everything on magic tongue
Futurama Llama

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« Reply #49 on: 08-17-2006 17:32 »

I am an ultra-geek and even I couldn't come up with that explanation. (I was close though) And yes, everything runs on magic. Even this thread.
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #50 on: 08-17-2006 17:35 »

oooh. even I'M magic.
*pokes stomach.*
ow.
i don't FEEL like I'm magic. oh well.
what was this thread about again? its REALLY off-topic.
Futurama Llama

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« Reply #51 on: 08-17-2006 17:37 »

Yeah...I dunno...something about Fry's missing Y chromosome...
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #52 on: 08-17-2006 17:39 »

*shrugs*
i dunno either.
can someone please start talking about whatever it was we were talking about before we went off-topic like that?
Futurama Llama

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« Reply #53 on: 08-17-2006 17:53 »

I think I'm to blame...I threw everyone off...
*sadly turns to leave*
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #54 on: 08-17-2006 17:57 »

nono, stay.
what were we talking about?
Futurama Llama

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« Reply #55 on: 08-17-2006 18:00 »

Dunno, KitKat. What were we talking about?
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #56 on: 08-17-2006 22:03 »
« Last Edit on: 08-17-2006 22:03 »

i dunno. we'll just have to wait till someone besides us comes along and starts talking on-topic.
*sits down*
i'm impatient. let's go find another thread for the meanwhile.
Yardstick2006

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« Reply #57 on: 08-27-2006 05:09 »
« Last Edit on: 08-27-2006 05:09 »

Fry's Y chromosome comes from himself. I'm no expert on genetics or time travel so:

Yardstick2006's Rule Of Understanding Temporal Paradoxes: Don't.
Ballisticvole

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« Reply #58 on: 08-27-2006 17:11 »

Fry has to be his maternal grandfather. His mothers red hair is proof of this and I am also pretty sure that fry's father said his fathers name was Yancy. This can mean that his Y chromosome is from his father and is not part of the temporal paradox.
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #59 on: 08-27-2006 17:55 »

that sounds right. He can't be his fathers father without everything being a confusing and unrealistic paradox, but if he was his mothers father everything works out fine. At least, as fine as things can be when he's his own granddad...
Codi Fry

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« Reply #60 on: 08-27-2006 18:50 »

Well, technically, if Fry is his own Grandfather, He should have 125% of his own genes, including his (100%) and him in Grand Father form (25%). And then Mildred 25%, and Fry's Mom's Parents. And its not 50% from each parent because his parents inherited the 50% from their grandparents. Fry still has his red hair since she is a double reccessive and his father is a mix of a brown dominant and a red recessive, so the chances of having red hair are greater than having brown.

but enos may not even be his true father if he never killed him and slept with mildred. Once Quoted, Fry's Dad "Son, Your Name is Yancy, just like me, and all my fathers up before me all the way up to minute man yancy fry who blasted commies in the revolution..."which states that enos can NOT be fry's grandfather. so realistically, fry was supposed to kill enos. So maybe Fry having sex with his grandmother was pointless....
Codi Fry

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« Reply #61 on: 08-27-2006 18:53 »

but yes, they never say whos pair of grandparents they are....

so....who knows?

(time to call MG)
tyraniak

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« Reply #62 on: 08-27-2006 18:54 »

That's why I think Fry's supposed to be his mom's father, Fry did say "It's gonna be allright Dad" but Fry's also a complete idiot
TriggerHappyJim

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« Reply #63 on: 08-27-2006 19:42 »

 
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Originally posted by SpaceCase:
Materials can be identified by how much E/M radiation they emit or absorb.
Plot this degree of absorbtion or emission against frequency, and voila!
You have a spectrum unique to that material.
This process is the science of spectroscopy.
A trained operator, or expert computer program, can look a the squiggly line produced by a spectroscope, and figure out whats there, and how much.
With this information, it would be possible for the smell-o-scope to reproduce a representitive aroma from stored chemicals.

Holy cow! You just explained something technically impossible, and I understood it! Why isn't there a thread for this kind of thing?
SpaceCase

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« Reply #64 on: 08-28-2006 12:13 »
« Last Edit on: 08-28-2006 12:13 »

 
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Originally posted by TriggerHappyJim:
Holy cow! You just explained something technically impossible, and I understood it! ...
Actually it isn't technically impossible.
Astronomers do it every day night: Analyzing starlight to find out what’s in said star.
Reproducing representative aromas from stored chemicals?
Ralph Lauren, Yves St. Loraine, Proctor and Gamble, and bunch more do that every day.
All that’s missing is to marry the two technologies together.

And develop a product.

And a jillion-dollar grant.

And a market to sell the product to.

Otherwise we’re golden!   roll eyes

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Originally posted by TriggerHappyJim:
... Why isn't there a thread for this kind of thing?
[*Rereads thread title*]

Huh.

Y'know... now I wonder the same thing...
  confused
SpaceCase

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« Reply #65 on: 08-28-2006 12:27 »
« Last Edit on: 08-28-2006 12:27 »

>.<
D'oh!

Never mind.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #66 on: 08-28-2006 14:51 »

For an understanding of why Fry is male and not female, I believe that we need to journey deeper into the background continuity of the series.

This post deals with some of the details.

Timeline:
1. Fry is born to his mother and Yancy.
2. Fry travels back in time and impregnates his grandmother (Mildred).
3. Fry's father (Yancy) is born to Fry and Mildred.
4. Yancy impregnates Fry's mother.

Timeline (with Y Chromasome):

1. Fry is born with a Y chromasome, inherited from his father's "Y Sperm".
2. Fry knocks Mildred up with a "Y Sperm".
3. Fry's father is born with a Y chromasome, inherited from Fry.
4. Fry's father knocks up his wife with a "Y Sperm".
5. See point 1.

The "Y" chromasome originates with Fry (or at least, this is the simplest place to visualise it). It is passed from Fry to Yancy, who passes it back to Fry. Without Fry, Yancy would not have a "Y" chromasome, and without his passing it on to Yancy, Fry himself would not have the "Y" chromasome to pass on.

And finally, for any who just can't grasp where the "Y" chromasome originates, here's a visual aid:



The "Y" chromasome present in Fry originates from himself! Fry's "Y" chromasome is a spontaneous aberration arising from the fact that if he had not travelled back in time, then his father would not have been born, meaning that the "Y" chromasome would not have been passed to him. It is very likely that this means there is something "special" about Fry's genetic makeup beyond his incestuous paternal heritage. This may very well come from his mother's side of his family - after all, there has to be a reason behind her part in the production of Fry's "special mind".

This is, however, a thought that I came up with purely in order to attempt to justify ehat appears to be a closed system.

Since this is an unfilled gap in the continuity of the show, further elaboration would merely me guesswork. However, this would seem to be a reasonable explanation within the "rules" that Futurama (loosely) obeys.

One other way in which to explain it away is that at some point, a quantum fluctuation occurs, and the waveform potential for Fry to have a "Y" (thereby givng Yancy one also) chromasome collapses into reality.

Here I quote from an old thread regarding The Why Of Fry: (Unfortunately, I appear to have closed the window before copying the URL, and I can't find it right now. If I do, then I'll edit it in here)

 
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Originally posted by Chalic:
I actually agree with something TNerd said, that multiple universes only exist "in potentia" until the quantum choice is made, and then all the others simply do not ever exist.

In short, I see no concrete reason for Fry's "Y" chromasome to be seen as "impossible" within the boundaries of the show. I do see a clear chain of events that whilst it defies an explanation in light of known facts regarding the canon of the show, could quite easily be explained via the introduction of further information.
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #67 on: 08-28-2006 15:59 »

wow. Very detailed stuff, and yet I understand the point you are trying to get across. Very nice work. It must have taken a bit of thinking to work that explanation out. smile
SpaceCase

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« Reply #68 on: 08-28-2006 23:45 »

Wow.

TNUK agrees with me.

That's just scary...  eek

I hold Fry's Y chromosome arises as an artifact of a temporal paradox - that whole 'effects without causes' thing.
In other words, Fry get's his Y chromosome from himself.
robo_puppy_girl

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« Reply #69 on: 09-02-2006 15:57 »

 
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Originally posted by TomAllen:
OK, all you smarties.  Here's a solution I bet you never thought of, I betcha, nyah!  (And maybe you did think of it and can probably easily dispute it.  But I would like to hear the reasoning.)

Why do we assume Enos is Fry's grandfather _on his father's side_?

After all, it's Fry's mother who has the Enos-Fry red hairstyle, even down to those two pointy widow's-peak things.  I ask you, haven't you ever wondered why _she_ had the red hair?  Or did that elude you, fellow Shippers?   wink


 

I thought something like that. i thought that maybe a few years before fry came to the past enos had frys mother with another woman but didn't know about fry's mother but frys grandmother told fry enos' name which is how he knew it. it doesn't involve much science or paradoxes but it makes sense
SpaceCase

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« Reply #70 on: 09-03-2006 05:43 »

 
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Originally posted by robo_puppy_girl:
... i thought that maybe a few years before fry came to the past enos had frys mother with another woman but didn't know about fry's mother but frys grandmother told fry enos' name which is how he knew it. it doesn't involve much science or paradoxes but it makes sense
Are you suggesting that, not only is Philip Fry his own grandfather, but that two of his remaining grandparents are half-brother and -sister?

Wow. Just... wow.  eek
that would make it seem the Fry family-tree doesn't branch...  wink

This would tend to back-up Farnsworth's comment about madness running in his family.
Yeah, inbreeding'll do that...

This is as good a place as any to voice something I've been wondering for some time:
Other aspects of Philip Fry's genetic heritage aside, I wonder if the same anomaly (for lack of a better term) gave rise to the Mutants?

Yes, I know, Fry had no children in the 20th or 21st centuries (that we know of), but his brother, Yancy Jr., has the same heritage, and we know his lineage lasted long enough to produce Farnsworth.

What happened in-between?   confused
freddo

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« Reply #71 on: 02-19-2009 10:45 »

frys family tree is in a loop
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