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Arkan

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« Reply #280 on: 07-27-2006 04:29 »
« Last Edit on: 07-27-2006 04:29 »

My thoughts exactly!
Shame on you, Xanfor!

Edit: Ooh, Unexpected-But-Very-Shippy-TOTPD!
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« Reply #281 on: 07-27-2006 12:22 »

The shippy pic of the day!



Venus

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« Reply #282 on: 07-27-2006 15:39 »

Speaking of Shippy, the new Futurama comic came out yesterday, it's Leela centered and contains some mild shippy.
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« Reply #283 on: 07-27-2006 19:37 »
« Last Edit on: 07-27-2006 19:37 »

Thank you Xanfor!   big grin

And hi, Venus, how's it going?   smile
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« Reply #284 on: 07-28-2006 21:54 »

Well, Venus, don't leave us out! Tell us, even if you have to put it in spoilers! Oo, is this one that 'A Whole Lotta Leela' one, where she gets blown to different time parts? Tell me, is old Leela wearing a wedding ring? Tell us tell us tell us!

The shippy pic of the day!



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« Reply #285 on: 07-29-2006 04:21 »

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« Reply #286 on: 07-29-2006 10:19 »

To Venus:


Okay you cunts, let's see what you can do now.
Venus

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« Reply #287 on: 07-29-2006 11:09 »

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« Reply #288 on: 07-29-2006 18:26 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
The shippy pic of the day!




That's amazing!  I happened to watch TWoF last night, and when I saw that, I thought to myself "When's Xanfor gonna use it as a shippy pic?"
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« Reply #289 on: 07-30-2006 02:16 »


Venus

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« Reply #290 on: 07-30-2006 02:37 »

Xanfor

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« Reply #291 on: 07-30-2006 12:21 »


Now today, I have something special. A shippy video for everyone! Ok, I didn't make it, but it's a must for everyone on this thread. It's called 'To the Moon and Back', it was made by FemJesse and can be found under the Video Clips section of The Leela Zone. It's mainly about Leela, but it is the shippyest thing I have ever seen. I don't know why, but emotional music does something to me... Just add in 'Futurama' shippy clips and *Boom*, guess what happens. Anyway, I know everyone here will find it... Wonderful.  wink

Shippy pic, etc...



Leela can get pretty angry at Fry, and as we all know, anger, like such things as sitting next to each other, looking at each other, not looking at each other, smiling in each other's presence, disregarding each other's feelings, eating, sleeping, breathing, and wearing shoes, are all sure signs of barely concealed love.

HopelessShipper

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« Reply #292 on: 07-30-2006 19:19 »
« Last Edit on: 07-30-2006 19:19 »

Sorry to disappoint, but Hopeless is back!

@Xanfor That is a good video, a very good video. Now it's time for Papa Paul to make a counter-suggestion though. "Hush" by Sebastian does a good job of combining action Leela with The Ship. To top it all off, Sebastian used great music. Who doesn't love Deep Purple?

Now back to the comic issue.
1. Where is the best place to get them, my local comic shop? (Cut me slack, I was never that big into comics...)
2. How are the comics treated in regards to cannon? Are they bullet proof and equal to the show, or are they basicly glorified fanfic?
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« Reply #293 on: 07-30-2006 21:24 »

Glorified fanfic, in my opinion. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go check out that 'Hush' you recommended.  wink

Venus

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« Reply #294 on: 07-31-2006 01:41 »

!!!!!!! Xanfor you're sig line almost made me spit sunnydelight all over Anica!
Arkan

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« Reply #295 on: 07-31-2006 19:16 »

*pant* *puff*

That poll for the shippers' logo is still opening tomorrow, right? Actually, it's today for me, but that's not the point. The point is, I have an entry!  big grin Voila!



I worked pretty hard on this...even though it was a little rushed...
So, what d'ya think?
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« Reply #296 on: 07-31-2006 19:24 »

I think it's beautiful. 
pastelstorm

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« Reply #297 on: 07-31-2006 19:37 »

I like it. The lines are very clean and the picture has a very peaceful feeling to it.
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« Reply #298 on: 07-31-2006 20:01 »

 
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Originally posted by HopelessShipper:
2. How are the comics treated in regards to cannon? Are they bullet proof and equal to the show, or are they basicly glorified fanfic?

Definately not canon and yes, definately glorified fanfic. However I've watched every DVD to death so...

 
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Originally posted by Arkan:
I worked pretty hard on this...even though it was a little rushed...
So, what d'ya think?

Very nice indeed.

Arkan

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« Reply #299 on: 08-01-2006 03:27 »

Eeeee, thanks you guys!  big grin
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« Reply #300 on: 08-01-2006 11:14 »

Wow, I know who's got my vote!  love

It's almost an optical illusion... I can't really tell whether those are stars in a nebula or snow falling in soft fog. Marvelous!

As for the comics... Now that the series is finally concluding, I believe that Matt and David will save their ultimate story arc for them. Seeing as how I don't particularly like the comics... They lack the 'in-your-face interface'.

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« Reply #301 on: 08-01-2006 11:41 »

What is this thread about? I know im very late to ask about this but I don't get whats meant to be happening. I just keep seeing pictures of Futurama and the word "Shipper".

*CONFUSED*
Xanfor

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« Reply #302 on: 08-01-2006 11:47 »
« Last Edit on: 08-03-2006 00:00 »

Well, it started out as a place for us shippers to take our long-winded discussions, which tended to clog up other threads. Although over time, it's evolved, and now, not only is it for that, but also for links to all forms of shippy material, as well as any form of shippy discussion in general, in addition to long-winded. However, intelligence is still required. Now, as for the meaning of the word 'Shipping', check out the first page of this thread. I'm sure I explained it there somewhere... The word in relation to 'Futurama', of course, is 'Fry+Leela'.  smile

Oh yes, and I forgot to explain about the Shippy Art poll... Oh well. Axe questions about it in this thread.  wink (That's it. I've started it already. Run! Go now!)

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« Reply #303 on: 08-01-2006 19:41 »

Bugger, I missed the entry date. Here, take one more!



And can someone please re-host Arkan's image so I can see the damn thing and not just read about it?
Arkan

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« Reply #304 on: 08-01-2006 19:53 »

Uh... Would a link to the image on Imageshack work? I can try if you want.

And thanks, Xanfor!  love
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« Reply #305 on: 08-01-2006 20:16 »

I don't think so, for some reason certain images hosted on Imageshack just don't work for me. I'd be really greatful if you could re-host it.
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« Reply #306 on: 08-02-2006 10:15 »
« Last Edit on: 08-02-2006 10:15 »

Shipper n a person or company that ships.

Shipping n 1 the business of transporting freight, esp, by ship. 2 Ships collectively: all shipping should stay clear of the harbour

  confused
Xanfor

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« Reply #307 on: 08-02-2006 12:14 »
« Last Edit on: 08-02-2006 12:14 »

Shipping is a general term for emotional and/or intellectual involvement with the ongoing development of romance in a work of fiction. Though technically applicable to any such involvement, it refers chiefly to various related social dynamics observable on the Internet, and is seldom used outside of that context.

Shipping can involve virtually any kind of relationship — from the well-known and established, through the ambiguous or those undergoing development, and even all the way to the highly improbable and the blatantly impossible. People involved in shipping (or shippers) assert that the relationship does exist, will exist, or simply that they would like it to exist.

Though ship is undoubtedly a derivative of the word relationship in some way, where and when it was first used to indicate involvement with fictional romance is unclear. A common belief is that the term originated in the fandom for the anime series Pokémon, with two American fans who, in discussing their belief in a romance between series villains, Musashi/Jessie and Kojirou/James (Known together as Team Rocket), hit upon the pun RocketShipper as a way to combine rocket ship and relationship.

However, the archives of the newsgroup alt.tv.xfiles show that the word shipper was already in established use among fans of The X-Files as early as May of 1996 [1]—just three months after the first Pokémon games were released in Japan. It would not be until 1998 that any of the Pokémon games, manga, or anime would be translated to English, where the relationship/rocket-ship pun would exist (the first known uses of the term in the Pokémon fandom were during mid-to-late 1999). It seems clear that the Pokémon fandom was not the sole or first inventors of shipping, as is sometimes claimed; but regardless of that, it may well have played a larger role in the development of the term as is known today, by separately developing and popularising it.

Regardless of its origins, the term ship and its derivatives in this context are now in wide and versatile use. Shipping refers to the whole phenomenon; a ship is the concept of a fictional couple; to ship a couple means to have an affinity for it in one way or another; a shipper is somebody significantly involved with such an affinity, and so forth.

One of the more universal manifestations of the shipping phenomenon is the degree to which the subject is discussed and debated. Much like the extent of shipping in general, the extent of ship debating in an online community is the product of several factors, though more specifically the amount of romantic conflict and potential in the relevant fictional work influences the amount of involvement in ship debates more than any other aspect. Both couples with no potential and conflict whatsoever and perfectly happy, "outed" couples with no conflict left to be resolved will tend to get little debating attention. Fictional potential couples with clear driving forces that are counter-balanced by obstacles tend to get the most attention in that area, especially if two such possibilities are mutually exclusive, thus making one's driving forces the other's obstacles.

Ship debates almost always basically occur on two levels — on the "what will happen" level, where dry, neutral prediction is attempted, and the "what should happen" level, where participators confront each other with their points of view regarding where the canon should go if it wants to create the most convincing, emotionally powerful or otherwise aesthetically appealing narrative, complete with reasons for why this is. These two planes of reasoning are not quite mutually exclusive — firstly they have the same origin line where they intersect, authorial intent, and it is usually possible to make limited inferences as to what the author would consider a "better" story and thus be likelier to write; secondly, arguments valid on one plane might affect the other one. Shippers commonly resolve that a relationship the author is portraying as positive must be positive by definition, and change their emotional point of view accordingly (or at least, try to); and even more commonly, shippers let their personal preference dictate a less than neutral distribution of the benefit of doubt regarding what is objectively less or more likely the author is trying to convey. Of course, however, like in all planes of discussion, this is something to be avoided, and generally is on PEEL.

It's just what we do, ya know...
Oh yes, and kicking anti-shipper's asses...   wink

Hope I answered you well!

@TriggerHappyJim: I'll see what I can do about presuading the person who starts the next poll (whenever that may be, we haven't decided) to include that image. I like it! It contains a bit of humor, suggestive of romance. How exactly will Leela 'distract' Fry? We all know she's quite capable...   smile

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« Reply #308 on: 08-02-2006 12:29 »

Thanks xanfor, thourogh as always  smile
Arkan

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« Reply #309 on: 08-02-2006 14:21 »

THJ: You mean just on Imageshack again?:



Working?
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« Reply #310 on: 08-02-2006 14:25 »
« Last Edit on: 08-02-2006 14:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
How exactly will Leela 'distract' Fry? We all know she's quite capable...     smile

Amen to that. I had nothing to compare it to though; I can't see half the proposed images because of damn Imageshack.

EDIT: Yes! I can see it! Turns out it is as nice as I've been reading.  tongue Thank you Arkan!  smile
HopelessShipper

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« Reply #311 on: 08-03-2006 00:24 »

@TriggerHappyJim That is freekin' awesome! I salute you.

At the end of the day, Arkan's still gets my vote... (Yes, it is right!)
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« Reply #312 on: 08-03-2006 19:19 »
« Last Edit on: 08-03-2006 19:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
Though ship is undoubtedly a derivative of the word relationship in some way, where and when it was first used to indicate involvement with fictional romance is unclear...

It's not to me! 

(Shiny said to herself, sounding much like Fry on the educational ride in Luna Park)

 
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...the archives of the newsgroup alt.tv.xfiles show that the word shipper was already in established use among fans...

Yep, that's where.  X Files.  Originated by  fans of Mulder/Scully romance to refer to their fannish interest.

Why did they need a word like that?  Well, it's a long story, but basically they needed an alternative to the word "slash" which (in its original fan usage) meant "uber-intense, to the point of sexual, relationship between partners and/or best friends on a scifi or adventure TV show."  (Now it usually just means "same-sex sex story" whether the characters are partners/best friends or not. ) 

On X Files we had a situation that had never before (quite) happened (at least in the Western Hemisphere)...a partnership between a man and a woman, in a show that appealed to science fiction and adventure fans, where the partners were not romantically engaged, and where the female character carried equal dramatic weight to the male

Mulder and Scully were equals, treated and respected each other as equals, were respected by others in their profession as equals (actually scientific Scully got MORE respect due to her skepticism and Mulder's reputation as a kook, which nicely offset whatever disadvantage she might have had as a woman in a traditionally male profession), contributed to their investigations as equals, and in all other ways acted like true partners, allowing the first ever male-female "buddy dynamic" on a successful TV show to develop.

Mulder/Scully fans knew that their favorite characters shared a relationship that was not quite the traditional male/female romance, and not (due to anatomical technicalities   wink ) a traditional fan "slash" relationship; but really, their emotional situation bore more resemblance to old-style slashfic than to standard romantic stories.  Therefore, resisting the word “romance,” they were stuck with using the clumsily long word “relationship” as a defining label for their obsession.  When someone somewhere shortened "relationship" to "'ship," other M/S fans latched onto it and began to use "ship," "shipper," "shipping" and “shippy” in the same manner as "slash" and its derivatives were used by slash fans when talking about their fandom's fic.

I don’t know anything about Pokemon fandom (though RocketShipper is a great pun   big grin ) but among non-animated fans the word spread and infiltrated other fandoms, like Babylon 5 (as a way to refer to John/Delenn stories)...and therefore it developed along parallel lines in both animation and live-action fandoms until it reached its general usage today.

I don’t actually remember all this...I wasn’t IN X Files fandom, though I liked the show...but my roommates were into Xfiles and Bab5 and among us all we tracked the word history, because we’re big raving geeks who find such things to be oodles of fun.

And this all will be on the final, so save your notes.

  tongue

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« Reply #313 on: 08-04-2006 03:01 »

The Ship is different than those of The X-Files and Pokemon in three key ways:
1. F+L (I can't use "/" here because I was into TNG fandom before Futurama and I have *shudder*     memories... as I was saying,) F+L have a certain amount of history, namely, all of Fry's previous attempts to win Leela's love. (Love here is meant to mean romantic love, not platonic love.)
2. Fry and Leela's relationship (whether romantic or platonic at the time) has been a central theme of the Futrama story arc since the beginning of the series.
3. All signs and leaks have pointed to the fact that a long term F+L romantic relationship is inevitable.

@Shiny I beg that you forgive my ignorance of Babylon 5.
Venus

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« Reply #314 on: 08-04-2006 03:19 »

Ah Shiny just reminded me of my rabid X-phile days. I had an X-File shrine thing going. All wound up on ebay.
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« Reply #315 on: 08-04-2006 11:32 »

The Overall Best Moments of 'The Why of Fry' and Their Extrapolated Consequences
















I admit it! Not posting the shippy pics was killing me slowly and painfully! It was worse than Hopeless's return! wink

Incidently, don't forget to check out the shippy art poll, located in On-topic under Fan Art and Fiction. Poll closes on the eighth. (Vote Arkan!)


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« Reply #316 on: 08-04-2006 11:51 »

I have to say (because it is true) that Shiny's comparison of _X-Fiiles_ to _Futurama_ is soooo apropos.

Like Scully, Leela is the skeptic of the show.  Like Mulder, Fry is the believer.  Sometimes Leela is right to be skeptical, and sometimes Fry's belief (in, say, BigFoot) is correct.

I would point out, though, that there's no parallel in _X-Files_ to Bender.  Bender is one of the genius additions that makes _Futurama_ great.  Who on _X-Files_ mocks the show itself?  No one, I say.  And I haven't even mentioned ZOIDBERG!*

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« Reply #317 on: 08-04-2006 16:17 »
« Last Edit on: 08-04-2006 16:17 »

 
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Originally posted by TomAllen:
Like Scully, Leela is the skeptic of the show.  Like Mulder, Fry is the believer.  Sometimes Leela is right to be skeptical, and sometimes Fry's belief (in, say, BigFoot) is correct.

Character comparisons are fare, but for reasons I previously mentioned, the Futurama brand of shipping is different from almost all others.


 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:It was worse than Hopeless's return!  wink
It pained me too.[/small]
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« Reply #318 on: 08-04-2006 16:20 »
« Last Edit on: 08-04-2006 16:20 »

Which is one of the reasons I'm trying to write a sub-article to append to Wikipedia's 'Shipping (fandom)' entry.

EDIT: I was joking, Hopeless!


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« Reply #319 on: 08-04-2006 18:47 »

 
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Originally posted by HopelessShipper:
The [Fry&Leela] Ship is different than those of The X-Files and Pokemon in three key ways:

[snip Way#1, as I have nothing to add to it]

2. Fry and Leela's relationship (whether romantic or platonic at the time) has been a central theme of the Futrama story arc since the beginning of the series.

3. All signs and leaks have pointed to the fact that a long term F+L romantic relationship is inevitable.

@Shiny I beg that you forgive my ignorance of Babylon 5.

No problem...but I must mention that your reasons #2 and 3 do apply to John & Delenn.

And on the subject of "character relationship abbreviations," I usually say it "F&L" (plus signs make me feel all cold and non-shippy...too much like profitability assessments or those puzzles where pictures represent words...which I was always bad at  roll eyes@self)

Shiny

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