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Xanfor

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« on: 06-14-2006 08:32 »
« Last Edit on: 09-11-2006 00:00 »

You seen us take pages of other threads into off-topic shipper discussions, now, we have our own thread to post in! Since some of us shippers (largely me) tend to go off-topic rather quickly in other threads, such as 'Who would you like to date' or 'Amy+Fry or Leela+Fry', I created this one! Now, no more clogging those other threads! If someone has something shippy they'd like to go into long-winded disscussion about, bring it here! If you know of any going on in threads that they shouldn't be going on in, bring it here! They're welcome! Any shippy aspect of the show is open for intelligent conversation! Come, my friends!       wink (Esp. Shiny!)

Arkan

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« Reply #1 on: 06-14-2006 12:08 »

Woohoo! Let's get this party started!

...

Well, not me personally; I love reading this stuff, but I can't write it. Still, I'll be sure to join in if I see an opportunity!  big grin

*waits for Shiny to arrive*
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #2 on: 06-14-2006 12:59 »

Just to register the point I always make in shipper discussions, I love characters.  Character humor, character drama, all of it, with "shipping" being a facet of the latter.  This is especially true of Futurama, where the characters make the show.  Fry/Leela is a just plain excellent way to see into the characters' third dimensions and emotions, and that's why I enjoy it.  Well, that and how well I can sympathize with Fry in the unrequited love department.

However, there's a lot of poorly written shipper fiction out there that I dislike, exactly because everybody is out of character.  That's the one thing I can't stand in fan fiction is people messing with my characters.  I will not direct you to examples of this, but simply to Tongue Luck's How to Write a Shippy Futurama Fanfiction, which covers the problems I have with such stories nicely.  If you can keep everyone in character, though, and write above a 12-year-old level, I'll generally enjoy it.

However, my favorite Futurama fics are, and will remain, JBERGES's usually ship-less fanscripts.  They're like actual episodes that were never filmed due to an overabundance of science puns...
Shiny

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« Reply #3 on: 06-14-2006 20:33 »

Wow!  A whole thread...great idea Xanfor.  And I'm honored to be invited "especially." Thank you!

Ironically, right now I'm too tired to wax digressive.  I'm half tempted to go retrieve my recent ramblings from nearby threads and put them here, replacing them with a link.  Hmm, that sounds like a hint from my future book, "The Lazy Writer's Guide to Verbosity"...I really must get around to writing it someday....

And Tongue Luck's essay/story rocks. 

I promise I'll come back and be as long-winded as usual, later this week or something.  At least I know when I'm reaching the two-screen zone on other threads, to shovel some of it over here instead....  wink
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« Reply #4 on: 06-15-2006 08:12 »
« Last Edit on: 08-16-2006 00:00 »

And now for something completely different: A conveniently placed link to Tounge Luck's fanfic, 'How to Write a Shippy Futurama Fanfic'.

And now for something slightly more on-topic: Other considered names for this thread, including:

Xanfor's very own thread (a la 'Yardstick's Very Own Thread')
Axe Shiny (a la 'Ask Marilyn')
Ship Shippy McShipship - The Shippingest Ship Thread in all of Shipperdom (a la the the current test thread)
Shiny is Katey Sagal (a la 'Xanfor is Billy West')

And now for something almost completely on-topic:
It is perfectly fine with me if we [quoteArkan]Get this party started[/quoteArkan] by an in depth disscussion of fanfics. Perhaps critiques on our favorites would be in order... (And of course, warnings against any bad ones)

Anyway, just an idea.

And speaking of JBERGES's fics... I personally find them hard to read. I love science jokes (and sci-fi spoofs), so I try to incorporate as many as possible (of both) into my fics. So, every time I read something he's written, I slap my head and say 'Why didn't I think of that!?!'

Well, now it is time for me to evacuate myself from this pleasant palaver, until such time it as gone into a shipper disscussion of a larger vocabulary. A disscussion of gigantic proportions. Let's see them anti-shippers not read that, ha! We'll go on and on and on and on... It'll be huge! A shippy mass of shippyness that's enormous, gargantuan, levithan, mammoth, monstrous, monumental, prodigious, titanic, tremendous, wholloping, a ball of life energy that'll be so large it'll make you wish I hadn't just found my thesaurus today! A disscussion that is larger and stronger and more noticable than a giant building falling out of the sky, with large solid oak front doors, a nice 20-foot tall fence around the perimeter, a moderately expensive sprinkler system and a sign over the gate saying 'This is a large, long-winded shipper disscussion'!

Eh-hem.

Xanfor

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« Reply #5 on: 06-15-2006 10:54 »
« Last Edit on: 06-15-2006 10:54 »

Ok, sorry for the double post, everyone, but the subject of fanfics may have to wait. I think I have inadvertently started another... You know, one of those things this thread is about. Observe it here.

Comments? Ideas? Arguments? Please don't hurt me!

Pedro La Loco

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« Reply #6 on: 06-15-2006 14:57 »

could you tell me what a shipper is???  confused
Xanfor

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« Reply #7 on: 06-15-2006 19:26 »
« Last Edit on: 07-02-2006 00:00 »

Shipping is a general term for emotional and/or intellectual involvement with the ongoing development of romance in a work of fiction. Though technically applicable to any such involvement, it refers chiefly to various related social dynamics observable on the Internet, and is seldom used outside of that context.

Shipping can involve virtually any kind of relationship — from the well-known and established, through the ambiguous or those undergoing development, and even all the way to the highly improbable and the blatantly impossible. People involved in shipping (or shippers) assert that the relationship does exist, will exist, or simply that they would like it to exist.

Though ship is undoubtedly a derivative of the word relationship in some way, where and when it was first used to indicate involvement with fictional romance is unclear. A common belief is that the term originated in the fandom for the anime series Pokémon, with two American fans who, in discussing their belief in a romance between series villains, Musashi/Jessie and Kojirou/James (Known together as Team Rocket), hit upon the pun RocketShipper as a way to combine rocket ship and relationship.

However, the archives of the newsgroup alt.tv.xfiles show that the word shipper was already in established use among fans of The X-Files as early as May of 1996 [1]—just three months after the first Pokémon games were released in Japan. It would not be until 1998 that any of the Pokémon games, manga, or anime would be translated to English, where the relationship/rocket-ship pun would exist (the first known uses of the term in the Pokémon fandom were during mid-to-late 1999). It seems clear that the Pokémon fandom was not the sole or first inventors of shipping, as is sometimes claimed; but regardless of that, it may well have played a larger role in the development of the term as is known today, by separately developing and popularising it.

Regardless of its origins, the term ship and its derivatives in this context are now in wide and versatile use. Shipping refers to the whole phenomenon; a ship is the concept of a fictional couple; to ship a couple means to have an affinity for it in one way or another; a shipper is somebody significantly involved with such an affinity, and so forth.

One of the more universal manifestations of the shipping phenomenon is the degree to which the subject is discussed and debated. Much like the extent of shipping in general, the extent of ship debating in an online community is the product of several factors, though more specifically the amount of romantic conflict and potential in the relevant fictional work influences the amount of involvement in ship debates more than any other aspect. Both couples with no potential and conflict whatsoever and perfectly happy, "outed" couples with no conflict left to be resolved will tend to get little debating attention. Fictional potential couples with clear driving forces that are counter-balanced by obstacles tend to get the most attention in that area, especially if two such possibilities are mutually exclusive, thus making one's driving forces the other's obstacles.

Ship debates almost always basically occur on two levels — on the "what will happen" level, where dry, neutral prediction is attempted, and the "what should happen" level, where participators confront each other with their points of view regarding where the canon should go if it wants to create the most convincing, emotionally powerful or otherwise aesthetically appealing narrative, complete with reasons for why this is. These two planes of reasoning are not quite mutually exclusive — firstly they have the same origin line where they intersect, authorial intent, and it is usually possible to make limited inferences as to what the author would consider a "better" story and thus be likelier to write; secondly, arguments valid on one plane might affect the other one. Shippers commonly resolve that a relationship the author is portraying as positive must be positive by definition, and change their emotional point of view accordingly (or at least, try to); and even more commonly, shippers let their personal preference dictate a less than neutral distribution of the benefit of doubt regarding what is objectively less or more likely the author is trying to convey. Of course, however, like in all planes of discussion, this is something to be avoided.

It's just what we do, ya know...   wink
Oh yes, and kicking anti-shipper's asses...

Hope I answered you well!

Shiny

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« Reply #8 on: 06-16-2006 00:49 »
« Last Edit on: 06-16-2006 00:49 »

Xanfor, thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you...

for NOT calling this thread "Axe Shiny" or "Shiny is Katey Segal." I appreciate the compliment, but I'm fully aware that my "know-it-all" tendencies are a bad habit; they need encouragement like Bender needs self-esteem boosts.     roll eyes @ self

And about this....

         
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Originally posted by the great benevolent leader of shipperdom, Shiny:

Belay, belay! (Shiny waves hands in a panicked way) I am not a leader!  I just have unaspected Mercury in Aries, intercepted, in my first house.  (Translation: My mouth is a loose cannon that I’m always shooting off. )

Venus is the leader of shipperdom, if there is one....she's been on PEEL a lot longer than me, and she is constantly making insights into the Fry/Leela ship that are so very right I can only goggle in awe. I'm just occasionally its loudest cheerleader (and occasionally its most absent member, when RL interrupts my happy little world of pure imagination... boo to you, RL!)

But thanks for thinking of me as benevolent.     smile

Now, on with the substance of your post in that other thread....

   
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...weren't Fry's 'sincere' declarations during when he had the worms?

Some of them were, yeah (some came later)...but Fry was smart then. Leela has to have the deep down fear that he was, perhaps, merely smart enough to fake the sincerity he appeared to be showing.  After all, he demonstrated his (teary, scrunched up face) “I’ve never been so happy!” ploy for her and Zoidberg, so she knows he’s capable of a little emotional dishonesty.  Could it be that the worms just made him better at faking being in love in order to (in his own words) score?

Very Important Note: this is NOT what I think!  I’m just saying that Leela has no way of knowing if he was smart and sincere, or merely appeared sincere because he was smart.  And Leela has trust issues.... however, fact that he gave up the worms might mean that at heart he was decent enough to not trick her after all.  She hopes.  She wants to believe.  She just has to wait a little longer to see....

   
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However, don't you think that this would all be easier if when Fry axes Leela out, Leela actually told him why she refuses?

I don’t think Leela herself really knows.  I think at best she has rationalizations that she tells herself, but knows deep in her subconscious heart of hearts that they’re a porcelain crock of sh*t, and that speaking them aloud would make that obvious, even to herself.  So she has an instinctive fear of revealing them...hence, she grabs for lame excuses when pressed for an answer, because that's the best she can come up with.

   
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But they still can learn from each other, right? They need to learn!

Bows down before Shiny, pleading

Of course they can!  And they WILL.  If nothing else, TDHAIP proves, as one of my housemates said at the time she first saw it,  that “...it’s gonna happen, that’s all there is to it.   It’s just a matter of time.”

They both clearly want to love and be loved, but they’re both afraid of it in some way (oh, you didn’t realize Fry’s “I’m dumb and lazy and shallow, don’t expect anything from me” persona was a protective camoflage? Think about it for a while    wink ), Each time the other is there for them, it’s one little victory over their fears.  Our Fry and Leela didn’t luck out enough to have a “magical date” or a “three point gesture” do an end run around their anxieties; they’re having to plough their way through the scrimmage line, yard by yard. 

But they’re unquestionably on the winning team.

    love
Venus

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« Reply #9 on: 06-16-2006 04:35 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Venus is the leader of shipperdom,


They didn't believe me when i said i was the shippiest shipper to ever ship, but now we have official confirmation!
Xanfor

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« Reply #10 on: 06-16-2006 07:51 »
« Last Edit on: 08-12-2007 00:00 »

@Shiny: Benevolent? Hmm, I wonder how that got in there...   wink

But anyway, you'd think that the events of 'The Farnsworth Parabox' would have some effect on her, don't you? I mean, there was conclusive proof there that intelligent her and ignorant Fry could live happily together. I supppose that she could have pushed it into the back of her mind, trying to forget about it, or else make even more excuse for herself, but it seems like an incident of large importance in their relationship. Plus, that date didn't do much, now did it? That episode was sort of a letdown, don't you think? I mean, they both got a wake-up call, and nothing happened. Not that that's out-of-the-ordinary for me, I almost always ignore wake-up calls anyway.   wink

And on another note: I was going to include a link to a story I read called 'The Other Side of Parasites', which was actually a very well written (therefore, due to what was meant to be conveyed, depressing)  story. However, it made a person think. It brings Leela's concerns to light. Of course, quoting it to you is useless because you're the one who wrote the darn thing!
It gets the point across. But one point does bother me (Not that it's not accurate, just bothers me.) In canon, Leela is seen to definitely be convinced that Fry is capable of tricking her. ('Time Keeps on Slippin'') Comments?

And on a final note: Wouldn't Leela realize that the mere fact the Fry had told Zoidberg how to fake love while she was still in the room have any bearing on her opinion about how Fry held her in his eyes? Or at least how he would use that technique on her...

 
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Originally said by a friend of a poster who will remain anonymous for the rest of this post simply because if you don't know you haven't read this thead from the beginning and shame on you!:

...it’s gonna happen, that’s all there is to it. It’s just a matter of time.

But it's a shame how time keeps on slippin'... And none of this stops it from being sad.   cry

Matt and DXC had better not let us down in those movies! PLEASE...

 :lovelorn:  :lovelorn:  :lovelorn:  :lovelorn:

Shiny

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« Reply #11 on: 06-16-2006 08:47 »

Just a quick response before I go to [strike]that awful place I have to endure in order to pay my bills[/strike] work...

I think it's obvious from the commentaries that Matt and DXC are hopeless romantics...have a little faith.  wink

"The Other Side of Parasites" was written in response to fan opinions that Leela was a cold-hearted, ambitious, selfish bitch for rejecting "the real Fry" in that episode.  It's meant to explain what her viewpoint might have been at that time only. 

"Farnsworth Parabox" is the fourth-from-the-end-of-the-season episode.  Their date was to the Ape Fights, which I never had much hope of being that "magical date" they missed in our 'verse.  But check out in 300BB, Leela and Fry at the Sea-O-Rama-like park while Leela gets her Mushu ticket, hangin' out together in a natural and friendly way...possibly a result of said ape-fights date.  love

You've got to learn to look for the small, hopeful signs like that, and trust that after the curtain goes down, what happens is whatever you imagine it to be.  I mean, if I thought that Seymour really suffered twelve years of missing Fry and died alone and comfortless, I'd go insane.  No, what REALLY happened is what I wrote in my first story, and Seymour DID get what he desired, even though it took slightly over "a thousand summers..." and his little dog-soul went in bliss to await reincarnation as a pet in Fry's future, in the future.  That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

Now repeat after me: "Fry and Leela end up together happily married because it is NOT POSSIBLE for anything else to have happened."  Say over and over until you believe it, and everything will be just fine...

 wink

Xanfor

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« Reply #12 on: 06-16-2006 08:58 »

Hey, I already believe it! But hearing other people agree with me is what I strive for. It's just what we do, ya know...  wink

Besides, dispite what I try to convince myself, you are far better at spotting shippy details. I mainly observe character expressions and try to decipher them.

Ralph Snart

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« Reply #13 on: 06-16-2006 13:40 »

Perhaps Shiny and/or Venus can answer this:

Why did Leela flush Fry's letter down the toilet.

He said it was filled with his innermost feelings for her.

He's not the brightest burning bulb in the universe, but I'd doubt if he'd put stuff like:

"You're hot baby.  Let's test your matress springs together."

That was a disappointment to me in that ep - that that part wasn't explored or explained.
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« Reply #14 on: 06-16-2006 14:00 »
« Last Edit on: 06-16-2006 14:00 »

   
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Perhaps Shiny and/or Venus can answer this:
You rang?

Wait... crap.


1) It was most likely a timing issue.  Fry has severe issues with the timing of his romantic gestures (i.e. attempting seduction when the world is doomed in TKoS)  He probably did something extremely stupid, annoying Leela to high hell, then attempted to make up for it with the letter thinking it might sway her.  Of course, Leela does not work that way; the letter was most likely skimmed or not read at all and tossed in a fit of residual anger.  Along those lines, she may have underestimated the letter’s significance to Fry, thinking it was some sort of haphazard apology she wasn’t interested in hearing, and ignored it.

2)  Besides, what Fry knew were innermost feelings may not have translated well onto paper.  We know he sucks at articulating and expressing himself.  Maybe it was unreadable or even illegible.

3)  Leela knew all the things Fry wrote were true, and realized she felt them herself.  She panicked due to her inner fear of commitment and flushed the letter, all the while crying that she’ll ever be able to get over herself and admit her true feelings.  If you’re still reading this and have not realized I’m kidding, there’s an issue.  I'm not that kind of shipper...

4)  There's a multitude of obvious pessamistic answers too, but I don't think they're the explanations you're looking for.
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« Reply #15 on: 06-16-2006 16:05 »
« Last Edit on: 06-16-2006 16:05 »

Actually, Ralph is the Anti-shipper, so he probably DOES want to hear them.   wink

But I say...brilliant answers, JBerges!    love

And if I might add....

3.5 There's one more possible answer in my previously mentioned "Parasites Lost" tie-in story....  The gist relevant to this discussion is that the flushed letter is the one containing the sonnet he wrote (briefly mentioned in the ep), written under worm influence.  Of course, that's just my story; but if the letter Fry wrote was done while he had the worms, he would think of them as his true feelings, but Leela wouldn't trust them.  Or conversely (I didn't mention this possibility before) she might believe (in the immediate wake of the ep) that the worms not only made Fry smart, but sensitive and caring as well...in other words, that they CAUSED him to love her, and without them, he's only hot for her.  In which case she might flush the letter in despair.


 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
Hey, I already believe it! But hearing other people agree with me is what I strive for. It's just what we do, ya know...    wink

Good lord, no wonder anti-ship stories depress you. 

Xanfor, my dear friend, you need to take a page from Bender and realize that you are the Greatest, and everything in your brain is more interesting, more valid, and more true than anything in anyone else's.  Then other peoples well meant (but obviously mistaken) opinions will no longer threaten your serenity.

Again,   wink

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« Reply #16 on: 06-16-2006 19:33 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Perhaps Shiny and/or Venus can answer this:

Why did Leela flush Fry's letter down the toilet.

He said it was filled with his innermost feelings for her.

He's not the brightest burning bulb in the universe, but I'd doubt if he'd put stuff like:

"You're hot baby.  Let's test your matress springs together."

That was a disappointment to me in that ep - that that part wasn't explored or explained.


Because he probably didn't have the worms when he wrote it. We all know Leela would never ever EVER want any part of Fry as his normal self  wink  I mean come on Why would she care???  confused

Leela Rules
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« Reply #17 on: 06-16-2006 19:39 »

Leela's clearly not interested in Fry Why won't he just give up? confused  she rejects him in every freakin' episode but he won't just quit it's quite the annoyance

  roll eyes   mad 

Leela Rules
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« Reply #18 on: 06-16-2006 21:09 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
A shippy mass of shippyness that's enormous, gargantuan, levithan, mammoth, monstrous, monumental, prodigious, titanic, tremendous, wholloping, a ball of life energy that'll be so large it'll make you wish I hadn't just found my thesaurus today!

You forgot the word "goliath" in there with your fancy words, Mr. Ima Thesaurus. (yes, Ima is the first name, not a typo)

@Pedro: Because he's deeply in love with her. Sure he's had other relationships that don't work out, but that's because he doesn't really love them that much. Fry accepts Leela for who she is and her personality. He loves everything about her, and he hopes some day to finally win her. That's his life goal. After all, he said himself "existing is basically all I do!" So why not exist....to love?
Shiny

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« Reply #19 on: 06-16-2006 21:50 »

Go you, Prof.Zoidy!  That's so poetically profound and true....


(And Senor Pedro...you can learn why you shouldn't double-post if you take a look at the Unofficial PEELer's FAQ here... )
Xanfor

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« Reply #20 on: 06-17-2006 07:47 »

 
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Oringinally posted by someone whom I've run out of funny introductions for:
Xanfor, my dear friend, you need to take a page from Bender and realize that you are the Greatest, and everything in your brain is more interesting, more valid, and more true than anything in anyone else's.

I knew that.  wink

 
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Originally posted by Professor Zoidy:
Sure he's had other relationships that don't work out, but that's because he doesn't really love them that much. Fry accepts Leela for who she is and her personality. He loves everything about her, and he hopes some day to finally win her. That's his life goal. After all, he said himself "existing is basically all I do!" So why not exist....to love?

*sniff*

You know, Shiny posted on another thread a short  statement about how 'Parasites Lost' and 'Time Keeps on Slippin'' (and of course, 'The Farnsworth Parabox' as well), were just the writers way of giving us what we couldn't have. For now. And now hearing what Shiny said about Matt and DXC being hopeless romantics, assures me that something's gonna happen. Believe me, I know hopeless romantics...

I'd include a link to a bunch of stuff above, but I'm way too tired because I stayed up last night to watch 'Raging Bender' for some strange reason.

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« Reply #21 on: 06-17-2006 15:28 »

 
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Go you, Prof.Zoidy!  That's so poetically profound and true....

*sniffs* This is the best day of my life! Thanks Shiny  love
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« Reply #22 on: 06-18-2006 08:31 »

YES! Teral is a shipper!

 
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Originally posted by Teral on Apirl 28, 2002 and now never going away:
Well I would prefer them to get together, one day. Maybe halfway through the last season (9 or 10 years from now) and then use the rest of the episodes of that season to elaborate on their relationship.

But none of that "Friends"-style crap. On-again, off-again relationships just don't work in this show, I think. I think it'll go against Leela's character as well. Put me down for a 3. [They (Fry and Leela) get together perminently]

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« Reply #23 on: 06-18-2006 10:53 »

well, all I can say is yes, I am a die-hard shipper, all my fan fics (yes, all 3 of them including the 70 page monster) are all shippylicious.

If you think though, (this is me being picky) in Parasites Lost, Fry became smart, and Leela fell for him. Then, as soon as he realised that, he wanted to see whether the love was true, by making himself get rid of the worms. Leela didn't (or couldn't) love him anymore when he was his normal self.

That shows either that Leela is very....how shall I put it, narrow-minded about who she dates/falls in love with, or that the 2, in their present situations (Fry being not-so-clever, Leela being tough to crack) they just aren't suited to each other in their present state.

It would probably take something amazing (like Fry moving those stars, which Leela never saw) to make them fall in love properly.

But you never know.....IF there are movie(s) on the way.......who knows what'll happen?


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« Reply #24 on: 06-18-2006 12:17 »

Xanfor: you have way too much time on your hands.  Get a girlfriend, or an additional hobby or something.

Not that that's not amusing to me, of course.
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« Reply #25 on: 06-18-2006 13:14 »

This is a good idea Xanfor.Too many of us(including me)tend to go offtopic in many threads.
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #26 on: 06-18-2006 13:40 »
« Last Edit on: 06-18-2006 13:40 »

@Xanfor: Nerdy's right. Get a life!   roll eyes That, or try your hand at artwork. Passes hours on end if you get into it. Personally, I prescribe makeup.  wink (forgive me if I can't spell)
Shiny

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« Reply #27 on: 06-18-2006 13:48 »
« Last Edit on: 06-18-2006 13:48 »

That's just silly, Nerd-o-meister.  Why would anyone want another hobby to take time away from obsessing on the loves of tragicomical science fromance dramaction animaracters?

Now, go do some obsessing yourself, or your Nerd status will be revoked.    tongue

Edit:And Professor Zoidy, how could you!  I thought you really cared about Fry and Leela...    cry

Alas for fandom, that I should be online in such a cold virtual world...pardon me while I go write bad poetry about alienation and existential angst....

Or play Solitaire, whichever's easiest.

Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #28 on: 06-18-2006 14:25 »

Aww, Shiny, you know I do... *runs to edit post above*
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« Reply #29 on: 06-18-2006 15:09 »

Xanfor you should be given some sort of nighthood or summat. You've been on PEEL since just last month and already have more posts than I will ever get in my lifetime, plus there not just one word crappy posts, there like pages long of dialogue, either you have no social life or you organise your time impecibley =]
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« Reply #30 on: 06-18-2006 18:52 »

Relax, Prof. Zoidy, it's all good.  I know you were kidding, and I was kidding too.  smile


Dawoodz: SILENCE!  I concur.

 big grin
Pedro La Loco

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« Reply #31 on: 06-18-2006 21:05 »

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  mad   mad   mad   mad   up yours   up yours   evil laugh

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« Reply #32 on: 06-19-2006 01:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Pedro La Loco:
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   mad    mad    mad    mad    up yours    up yours    evil laugh


Never what? If you want to contribute, do it sensibly. Somehow I don't think you do want to contribute.

If your screaming of 'NEVER!' has something to do with being shippy, then say it in a 'better' way.
Xanfor

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« Reply #33 on: 06-19-2006 15:21 »
« Last Edit on: 06-22-2006 00:00 »

I've been hoping for a custom rank. Something along the line of 'Resident Shipper'. Now, it's been 36 hours since I last posted here, and I think I'm starting to fade away.

My impeccably organized lifestyle has become more and more crammed. I'll just have to wake up another hour earlier in the morning. =]

But since I just have five-minute window of free time here in which to write this, I'll just say what I wanted to say: In the first part of my trilogy, 'The One With The Evil Parallel Universe', people may have mistaken the ending for a shippy ending. But please notice that I had very little build-up for that particullar kind of shippy ending. The ending was just a la 'The Why of Fry'. To see the full-blown Fry+Leela ship ending part, you people are going to have to wait for part III. --> (evil laugh)

Although perhaps I'll go back and edit it to make that clearer...

Now, all of you please excuse my equivocating while I excuse myself from this thread and go on about my life in a hopelessly romantic and shippily obssesive manner.   wink

Small text added as a tribute to Shiny, who is, if not the leader, then the prime defender (a la Zorro) of shipperdom.

Sneaks away before anyone realizes all Xanfor did was advertise fan fiction

Actually, I have a good reason. I'm trying to look at Fry and Leela's relationship at many different angles. My next fanfic is going to need it.

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« Reply #34 on: 06-21-2006 00:23 »
« Last Edit on: 06-21-2006 00:23 »

 
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Originally posted by mookie427:
 Never what? If you want to contribute, do it sensibly. Somehow I don't think you do want to contribute.

If your screaming of 'NEVER!' has something to do with being shippy, then say it in a 'better' way.

About fry and LEELA getting together they never should ever ever ever ever*1000...no 3000 get together...ever There aint no way they'll ever go together I mean Leela's awesome andfry
is Completely worthless
He should be killed off as soon as possible   mad    up yours    evil laugh

Leela Rules
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #35 on: 06-21-2006 01:57 »

I don't like making one-liner posts, but seriously, WTF?
Xanfor

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« Reply #36 on: 06-21-2006 09:39 »
« Last Edit on: 06-21-2006 09:39 »

   
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Good lord, no wonder anti-ship stories depress you.

It takes a big person to cry. It takes an even bigger person to laugh at that person.

Ha, oh, I couldn't resist that one.    wink

Anyway, some of mookie's talk up there made me think. (And thanks, it's been a while!)
One episode I haven't been able to find discussed is 'The Sting'. Look closely at the look on Leela's face at the very end. Now, I can't see to much detail, but she doesn't look to happy. One answer is that she's just very tired from almost dying and all. However, the most pessimistic way of looking at it is that Leela is resigning herself to the fact that the Fry in her dreams is not the Fry of real life.

Naa, I'm just jokin' with you all, she probably just very tired.

Now, one thing I also realized the other day was that Fry and Leela could not gotten together at the end of the opera. Proof: The 'Futurama' Comics.

However, with the movies being almost completely assured, I'd be willing to let that pass, if-... Well, you know the code of shipperdom. Don't you? Don't I? Don't we all!?!

Wields an empty fountain pen at everybody


Oh, and of course, now I have today's quoted reason about why 'Futurama' is such a good show
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Wikipedia:
Although the series is mostly filled with light hearted comedy when it comes to romance, Futurama's tone can suddenly become serious when it touches on themes of human relationships and estrangement.

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« Reply #37 on: 06-21-2006 10:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
the most pessimistic way of looking at it is that Leela is resigning herself to the fact that the Fry in her dreams is not the Fry of real life.

What the hell are you talking about? Fry had just spent 2 weeks sitting next to her bed waiting for her to wake up. SHE WAS TIRED, DAMMIT. TIRED, AND THATS AN END TO IT.  wink
Unknown

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« Reply #38 on: 06-21-2006 10:44 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
Now, one thing I also realized the other day was that Fry and Leela could not gotten together at the end of the opera. Proof: The 'Futurama' Comics.

Fortunately for you, I don't think the comics are considered canon.
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« Reply #39 on: 06-21-2006 13:40 »

 
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Originally posted by TriggerHappyJim:
SHE WAS TIRED, DAMMIT. TIRED, AND THATS AN END TO IT.   wink
Whoa. Watch the blood-peressure there, THJ, you're going to give yourself a stroke.

I kid, I kid.
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Originally posted by Unknown:
Fortunately for you, I don't think the comics are considered canon.
To the limit of my knowledge (at least) they are not.
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