Leela and Fry sitting in a............

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Kurfew/cerfew (how the hell is that word spelled)

curfew 

i lived in the US so i learned the right spelling by dating 'american style' 

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id say the earliest hint towards them "caring" for each other was in LLLIS when bender finds out (with well placed wording!!) that she slept with Zap, but didnt no-one notice the look on there eyes, Fry, disappointed with her and Leela looking ashamed????

Or was i lazy (i only started reading this thread halfway through)

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Just watched The why of Fry soI have soem more proof.
I'll put it in a spoiler for those who have yet to see the episode.

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Nibbler: Is there nothing in the Future worth saving
Fry:Hmmm Leela. But see doesn't think much of me.
Nibbler:Hmm she must be the other
Fry:ehe huh wha
Nibbler: You must not give up on her. I am stationed on a distant world called vergon six but if you return to the future I will transfer to Earth to give you what help I can.
Fry: you'd really think I'd have a chance with Leela.


Then of course there is the kiss at the end

I am aware that the next production episdoe is "Where no fan has gone before" where Leela and Shatner start snogging but I see that as the Star Trek joke that Kirk always got the woman. Well now we must play the waitig game to see if Fox will show any more episodes  sorry that was jsut a stupid thing to say.

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Leela and Fry are having a relationship soon. They both like each other only that Fry shows it more

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Fry and leela siting in a tree K.I.S.S.I.N.G first comes love then comes marrige then comes a baby in a carrige....Im serius

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Then someone bumps the carriage... Or was it the thread? Eh, I don't remember anymore. You know, frycutiepie, I don't know if I can stand you.  You seem to be a bigger shipper than I am!   
Naa, seriously, think about it. The writers have been building this relationship on us for the entire series, ever since that scene in 'Space Pilot 3000'. And if they think they can end any number of 'Futurama' movies without completing what they started, they're wrong. (Well, maybe they can, but it doesn't mean we'll be happy)
A bittersweet romance indeed! To tell you the truth, 'Parasites Lost' and 'Time Keeps on Slippin'' actually made me cry. 'Parasites Lost'was Ok, because there was just a tad bit of hope at the end. Plus, they elaborated on it in 'The Devils Hands are Idol Playthings'. 'Time Keeps on Slippin'', however, has to be the worst episode ever. Blatantly sad with no purpose or hope whatsoever.
But maybe I'm just being to emotional. After I saw 'Leela's Homeworld', I couldn't stop crying for a week, and to this day whenever I hear that song 'Baby Love Child', I start crying again...

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Wow lol must be real emotional moment for you

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It was.

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I don't know anyone for whom that was not an emotional moment.  Though "Luck of the Fryrish" hit me just as hard.

But neither of them devasted me the way "Jurassic Bark" did.  I still haven't forgiven them for that one.  Though on the good side it did inspire my first story, and so set me on path of Futurama Fan Fiction.  (Maybe that's what they mean by "You have to suffer for your art!"    )

Now, I always felt "Time Keeps on Slippin" did have hope - perhaps Fry missed out on his chance to make a single, grand gesture to win Leela's heart, but the potential for winning her heart remains.  It proves he still has a chance.

In a way, it's much like the end of "Parasites Lost" - Fry lost his "magical advantage," but he has an opportunity to make up the lost ground on his own, with time and patience. 

In one way, both episodes are just cheap gimmicks to give us a taste of what we want and then jerk us back to the status quo...or in another way, they're confirmation that there is no "quick miracle" to get what we desire (at least not for the long term) but that a fluke can show us the route to our happiness, that we must then make the effort to travel ourselves.

Or so I choose to believe.

Shinyanna Hopewell

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It seems like everytime Fry and Leela are about to get together, something always stops them.  That's what those episodes such as "Parasites Lost", "Time Keeps on Slipping" are about.  Love stories are kind of like that, boy tries to win the heart of a girl and girl rejects boy, and so on and so forth.  Fry and Leela were meant to be, no matter what.

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Well, this seems to be one of the ultimate shipper threads here. So I thought I'd warn all of you about Sofie Fenwick's fanfic, 'Leela's Affair'.
( http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanfic/affair1.shtml )
Do not read it. It is scary, sick, depressing, and made me cry. Not that that's hard to do, but it wasn't happy crying. I thought all the shippers here deserved to know this.

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I made the mistake of starting to read that, but I just couldn't bring myself to finish it (which is pretty darn unusual for me, 'cause I always have to finish everything). I just skipped to the end (what? I can't start reading something then not know how it ends!) and skimmed over it, but still...it embedded some pretty unpleasant memories in my poor traumatized brain. And now they all come flooding back...   

On a more positive note: Shiny, I am totally accepting that point of view as a new way to look at TKOS and PL. Beats "Aw man, how depressing!" anyway. (Although I never thought they were completely devoid of hope, really.)

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I'm not even going to bother to respond to Arkan or Shiny, because Arkan just explained my entire point of view for me! 

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I actually read that Leela's Affair story. All the way through even. it was well written, the author definitely has writing ability, but the subject matter was rather bizarre.

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I agree. But I don't think I'll be able to get rid of the depression it caused me for a long time. I even wonder if I should continue writing my fic, because now that I've read that one, will it contaminate mine?

Naa, I'm still writing my fics. But that above paragraph explains my feelings about this, even if the facts are slightly exaggerated.

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I really wouldn't worry about contamination. I've read some weird stuff and i seem to have come through it alright as an author.

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Venus is right.  I used to read some really freaky Futurama fictions (not to mention the fanart...), stuff that makes me almost sick to think about it two years later.

When I started writing my own fanfic last year, I realised that I had to push all the freaky stuff and the resulting bad feelings out of my mind if I wanted to write anything halfway decent.  I think I've managed that.  I hope I've managed that.

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I started that "Leela's Affair" story...but as soon as I read that

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Fry had "thrown his money away on excessive drinking, playing naughty games with other women, and entertaining himself by gambling his life away with Bender, on the various casino games..." and that Leela apparently sat around passively and let him,

...I made a sound halfway between a humorless laugh and an outraged squeak.  I scanned a little further to see if the author had explained this bizarre change in behavior, but she obviously didn't feel the need to.  I thought, "Okay, so this is in character how...?" 

I mean, if she'd said that...

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Fry had thrown their money away on video games, valuable collectible comic books, and investing in a startup company that was a combination washateria, porn theatre and sperm bank, and that Leela, in kicking his ass for losing HER half of the money, had accidentally broken something that required a body cast, the treatment for which ate up the rest of their funds,

...I would have bought it.  But she clearly has NO grasp on the characters, or at least Leela and Fry.

There once was a time when I felt compelled to finish everything I started, but thankfully, I've gotten over that.  I do feel for you, though, Xanfor (and Arkan), having been there. 

But here's something that used to help me when that happened.  First, understand intellectually that this story is NOT about Leela and Fry.  It's about two other people entirely to which she's just grafted Fry and Leela's appearances and names to.  Let's call them Frank and Lola.  Now, the story may be a very good one about Frank and Lola, but not the kind of thing I'm interested in.  I want Fry and Leela, by which I mean ones that bear an actual resemblance to the people I got to know and love on Futurama.

What I used to do is, when I unwillingly remembered bits of an egregiously OOC story, I would stop myself, and say (for instance) "wait, that was just that Frank and Lola story."  See if this works for you: when you hear/see disturbing images in your head, re-think them, substituting "Frank and Lola" where appropriate (and grab a couple of random background characters for their visual appearances...like those people who the Prof tried to hire as his new crew in...what was it, Big Ball of Garbage? before he knew that Our Heroes had survived). 

Sooner or later your brain will make the right connection and it will become just another original story you read somewhere, leaving the "Fry and Leela shippy story" part of your mind in peace.

Also helpful: re-read all the In-Character stories you liked most before you read disturbing one.  Best of all, have a mini Futurama marathon, watching whatever eps you think most dispell the warped impressions wrought by Out-Of-Character badness.

Good luck.  I know it's a drag, but the strength of the actual characters' personalities WILL win out.   

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See, that's what bothers me about most fanfics, and why I love (for example) Shiny's, Venus's, Kryten's, and Layla's.  I like Futurama for its characters and for the relationships between its characters.  Too many fanfic writers forget that and make up their own casts with completely different behaviors (c.f. "How to Write a Shippy Futurama Fanfic").  It's a rare breed that manages to combine accurate characterization, quality writing, and at least a modicum of humor.  Shippiness is a bonus.

In point of fact though, I rarely see relationship-exploring fics (not just Fry/Leela shipperfics, but any in general that focus on character interaction) that measure up to the show's humor, or humorous fics that fulfill the same sort of emotional connection thing.  Which is why for every chapter of a Shiny fic I read, I go read a JBERGES script right afterward.

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I couldn't ask for a more complimentary chaser.... 

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Poo. Shiny gets all the respect... From me too!     

Although Ms. Fenwick's fanfic isn't too good, her fan art is.

And in order to stay in character in my fics, I always remember never, ever to read any fanfic just before starting to write. It will affect your thinking about the characters. For example, if fresh in your mind is the idea of Fry & Leela together, how are you going to successfully get them together in your fic? The better the fanfic you just read, the less chance of becoming off-character in yours. Just to be safe, I always watch an episode first. And in the case of Ms. Fenwick's, I had to break out the emergency ones: "Parasites Lost' followed promptly by 'The Devil's Hands are Idol Playthings'! Breathe... Breathe... I think I'll recover now...

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Ack!  I think you mean "Breathe...Breathe..."

Sorry, that's just a pet peeve of mine...

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I'm about to get my ass kicked...

I'm in the small minority - I actually enjoyed Mrs. Fenwick's story (she's the wife of one of the mods of FM:TLZ).

I liked it because it was different.  It showed that despite her best efforts, Leela wasn't able to change Fry (one of my pet peeves when I was dating:  Women who would go out with the 'bad boys' to change them, and then act surprised when they got treated like crap).

No, Fry is controlled more by his devotion to Bender than to his wife and child.  I actually know a loser-guy who's exactly like that - he'd rather go to a baseball game and blow his money on gambling than buy food for his family.

Yes, it was dark.  It was negative and it was different.  In other words - it was a bizzaro Futurama fic.  I wouldn't want a steady diet of them, but I salute and admire Mrs. Fenwick for having the creativity and courage to not only write such a story, but to make it public.

I did have to laugh about Bender and Fry becoming a robosexual couple.  I always thought that they were a little too close, if you know what I mean... 

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Originally posted by Shiny:
I couldn't ask for a more complimentary chaser....       

Hooray!  I'm a chaser! *tries to make amusing Harry Potter reference* 

...


*Fails*


     

For example, if fresh in your mind is the idea of Fry & Leela together, how are you going to successfully get them together in your fic? The better the fanfic you just read, the less chance of becoming off-character in yours. Just to be safe, I always watch an episode first.

I disagree with this sentiment; most inability to write the characters properly comes from misguided attempts to create a developing situation for the characters from scratch, as opposed to setting a scene and letting the characters themselves play it out.(I'm not saying you do this, of course.  This is just what usually happens;  I need to get on reading your giant story, don't I...)

The characters in Futurama are so genuine, so well defined by the show's writers that you need not make up anything about them nor take on any extra information from other fanfics.  By this I mean, at some point it no longer is just "thinking of what the character would do in this situation” You already know what they'd do, it’s just a matter of getting it on paper and making it entertaining.  I think that that, in and of itself, is the true testament to the character development in the series, and it's probably why I became so engrossed with the show in the first place. 

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Right on, JBERGES! That's one of the things I love most about Futurama too; the characters just feel so real, so you automatically know what they would or wouldn't do in a certain situation.

 

Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
I did have to laugh about Bender and Fry becoming a robosexual couple...

Aw crap, I knew there was another disturbing aspect of that story I couldn't and didn't want to remember!

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@JBERGES: Well, reading the wrong fan fiction can create a 'false' character in your mind, and I think it's always good to remember to erase the 'false' one before starting to write.

This small line here is my way of kicking Ralph's ass... But not to hard. He likes Star Trek.   

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Think of Sophie's fic as the Futurama Mirror Universe.  A place where Star Trek is a major religion, Mom is a sweet, kindheart soul and Amy is a chaste, quiet person...

Yeah, that will work...

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You obviously haven't read my fic. I invented the other 'Futurama' universes. 

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
I'm about to get my ass kicked...

I hope not.  I’m too tired to enjoy an ass kicking...is it all right if I just sit on mine and talk yours off? 

 

I'm in the small minority - I actually enjoyed Mrs. Fenwick's story...I liked it because it was different.  It showed that despite her best efforts, Leela wasn't able to change Fry (one of my pet peeves when I was dating

I know what you mean, but if Leela wasn’t able to change Fry...shouldn’t he have been more like the Fry we saw on the show?  I mean, for instance, Fry's too lazy to be a gambling addict, he's just not addicted to adrenaline that way or it would have shown up by now.  How did he become that way since we last saw him? 

I could answer the other issues in the story point by point, but that’s neither here nor there.  The point is, can you see why the Fry in this story didn’t seem like the Fry Matt Groening and David X. Cohen created and wrote about?  Fry’s irresponsible, but he’s irresponsible HIS way.   

 

Yes, it was dark.  It was negative and it was different.  In other words - it was a bizzaro Futurama fic.  I wouldn't want a steady diet of them, but I salute and admire Mrs. Fenwick for having the creativity and courage to not only write such a story, but to make it public.

Now, you connected with her story, I can understand that.  But it seems to me that it was due to interests you have independent of Futurama, and so I bet it would have worked for you even if the characters were called Frank and Lola. 

I have enjoyed OOC fan stories that I got into for some reason of my own, and I can say they were good stories - but they weren't really good as fan stories of the show they purported to be about. I’ll say that what I read of Ms. Fenwick’s tale seemed well done, and I’ll admit that it was probably a good story.  Now, if the Fry in this story was a lot more like the Fry on the show, there might have been a good Futurama story there as well. As it is, it’s just a good original story.

The thing is, I can DO different, and dark, and serious.  It's just, when I do that, I don't usually go to Futurama fanfic to get it...which doesn't mean I can't do so, just that if you want me to buy it, you have to work harder to sell me the product.  You have to have Fry (say) gradually change into the kind of guy who would gamble his family's money away (by making me believe that some small part of his current personality was a seed from which, with the right circumstances, such a trait could grow - like starting with scratch-off lottery tickets, for instance). You can't just say "Well, people can change, so take it as read that Fry changed into this kind of guy and lemme tell you a story about him."  No.  You have to do it like in math class and show all your work. 

Show me how Fry got from point A to point Q, step by step, make the story interesting enough to keep me reading while it happens, and then I'll buy any sort of story you want to tell about him.  Kenneth White did something analogous in his excellent Universe of Malice, and received a big, honkin' truckload of loyal, admiring readers as reward for his effort -but he worked hard for it, doing it slowly and believably.  You got to take the long way ‘round if you want to lead us off the beaten path - no teleport devices allowed!   

There, I hope that qualifies as “reasoned discussion” and not “ass kicking.”   

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I invented the 'Futurama' teleporter! 

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@ Shiny:

I agree that Leela came across as a bit of a wimp in this story, and the buildup to Fry's gambling addiction was never explained, but we did get the idea that Bender was the bad influence on Fry.

I think that's why most shippy fics kinda push Bender to the side and make him an ancillary character - his influence on Fry would sabotague any progression of the relationship.  I often got the feeling from the series that if it weren't for Fry's fondness for Bender, Leela would have turned him into scrap several times.

I may have liked it just as much as 'Frank and Lola', but it being an 'anti-shipper' story fits a niche just great. 

I'm not a great (or even adequate) writer, but I have yet to see the story where Fry and Leela get married then both end up hating each other (except for this one - and Leela doesn't hate Fry at the end, she just gives up on him and moves on with her life).

[Slappy Squirrel]Now that's comedy[/SS]

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
I have yet to see the story where Fry and Leela get married then both end up hating each other

That's because it would never happen, damnit! Nothing can get in the way of true love! Where's your shippy side?!

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I don't mind there being an anti-shippy niche, Ralph, but I think it ought to be filled with in-character anti-shippiness, or it isn't really Futurama fanfic.

Oh, wait...that might be unfair.  Because anti-ship-fic CAN'T be in character, because the true nature of Fry and Leela is to love each other...therefore the fact that Ms. Fenwick's story was OOC proves that Fry and Leela really ARE each other's One True Love! 

Swish!  [Shiny high-fives Arkan.]

Okay, seriously...well, I get your point, Ralph, but I still say it could be done without making Fry and Leela unrecognizable.

But I do have to take exception to the idea that Leela would have scrapped Bender without Fry's influence.  Despite what she says, her actions (being so willing to get Bender's memory disc back, the way she smiled when she dug up his head at Roswell) say she's fond of Bender for more than Fry's sake.

 

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Don't forget how well Leela and Bender were getting along in Why of Fry when they got back from that delivery.

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Ooo!  Good one, Venus!  And also, remember Leela said she liked Bender way back in "My Three Suns." 

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But she also told Fry that she like Bender almost half as much as he did...

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On a unrelated and unconfirmed change of subject - I was at the RDS Test Site earlier today and somebody supposenly 'in the know' posted on June 11, 2006 that the Rough Draft Studio specialist were finishing one project and are going to start with the first Futurama DVD storyline late August or early September.

It may be legit, or it may be bullshit.

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Bender?

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:But she also told Fry that she like Bender almost half as much as he did...

Actually she said she missed Bender almost half as much as Fry did, which isn't quite the same as liking...but point taken.  No, I just think she downplays her affections on occasion, and that was one of them.

So how'd we get from Fry and Leela to Leela and Bender, anyway?  Oh, yeah - Bender as getting in the way of shippiness. 

All I can say is - if Bender was trying to keep Fry and Leela apart, why did he talk Fry into going to get the Robot Devil's hands, eh?  Eh?   

Shiny "All Power to the 'Ship" Fangirl

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Originally posted by Shiny:

All I can say is - if Bender was trying to keep Fry and Leela apart, why did he talk Fry into going to get the Robot Devil's hands, eh?  Eh?     

I forgot to pay him that week   

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Okay, that fanfic had so much said about it that I needed to read it.

Some basic spelling and grammatical errors, which pissed me off, were the most minor sounds in a cacophony of glaring faults.

First of all, Leela is not that weak willed. She wouldn't let Fry get like that. She'd kick his arse into line.

Secondly, any baby produced by Fry and Leela would have a huge nose. Fry's family all have huge noses. Leela has a huge nose just like her parents. The baby would have a whopper of a schnozz.

Thirdly, I believe we've heard it said that "Bender don't bend that way", and I think that it applies. Yes, I realise he didn't mean that he's not gay, but I do believe that he's 100% straight. He's not been seen even once to exhibit homosexual traits. He's not that kind of robot. Leaving aside the whole sex change thing, of course.

Fourth, Hermes wouldn't have kept them on the staff. After the first week, he'd have fired them.

Fifth, Bender doesn't talk like that.

Sixth, Bender doesn't care what Zoidberg thinks.

Seventh, there was nothing from Professor Farnsworth. If nothing else, he would have interfered with the raising of the baby, bringing it up to be some kind of evil genius companion for Cubert.

Eighth, my final gripe, it failed to take account of the fact that getting squashed by a fat lady in a falling bathtub should by all rights be fatal.

I liked the idea of Leela having a hot naked affair with Amy, but that's another fanfic. For every 5000 fanfics procuded, there are five or six that aren't terrible, one that's golden and one that's a decent read. A sample of 5000 is at some point probably going to include a JBERGES, a Venus, or a Shiny. I've read decent stuff from all three of these people. Before that, I would have classed all fanfics as great stuff for printing out at work in order to empty the toner drum and fill the shredder. They are, of course, the golden ones. The rest are still the stuff that you print off solely in order to harm the environment. If, that is, you're evil, and like harming the environment. Not that it matters too much, what with this planet being doomed and all.

Sooner or later, we're all going to die. And now that I've spent time both reading that and typing this, I'm that much closer to death myself.