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Pazoozoo25

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« on: 01-19-2006 14:15 »

Lets Pretend Fry Is Highly Intelligent And Leela Was As Dumb As A Post. What Changes Would be Made? Commence Discussion   cool

akira

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« Reply #1 on: 01-19-2006 15:27 »

nothing much ex maybe thier lines would be switched
Dave B

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« Reply #2 on: 01-19-2006 15:40 »

I think Fry would take advantage of Leela with his new arrogance (completely different to the Fry we know and like) and Leela wouldn't understand what was happening to her
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #3 on: 01-19-2006 18:07 »

Maybe Leela would be attracted to Fry and do all she can to impress him just like Fry does to Leela.  Plus, Fry could dump her.  And I also agree with Dave B's opinion, too. 
CrapBag

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« Reply #4 on: 01-19-2006 18:18 »

face it, it will never happen dude
               
           
Shiny

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« Reply #5 on: 01-19-2006 19:17 »

Nonsense - Fry with the Parasites didn't suddenly become a jerk.  Neither did he take advantage of her when she was affected by the Brainspawns' bonehead power. 

mcl6525

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« Reply #6 on: 01-19-2006 20:00 »

ya, fry is nice, but leela is more mean-spirited agaisnt fry because of the people treat her and her one eye.
Ralph Snart

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« Reply #7 on: 01-19-2006 22:42 »

 
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Originally posted by mcl6525:

ya, fry is nice, but leela is more mean-spirited against fry because of the people treat her and her one eye.

That is the one thing that does bother me about Futurama - granted Leela has evey right to be wary and mistrustful, but there are times that she takes all her frustrations out on the person who cares the most for her.  That makes Fry a more sympathetic character and Leela, well, bitchy.


Okay you cunts, let's see what you can do now.
LayZ341

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« Reply #8 on: 01-19-2006 23:09 »

So it would be like the Fry from "Parasites Lost" and the Leela from "The Day The Earth Stood Stupid"? I don't like it, a smart Fry is "sweet" I guess but not funny.
Shiny

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« Reply #9 on: 01-20-2006 02:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
 That is the one thing that does bother me about Futurama - granted Leela has evey right to be wary and mistrustful, but there are times that she takes all her frustrations out on the person who cares the most for her.  That makes Fry a more sympathetic character and Leela, well, bitchy.

Think so?  When I start to feel that way, I just think about what it would be like to actualy deal with a guy like Fry on a day-to-day basis. 

Think about having to be the one who ends up responsible for everything because everyone else is busy watching TV.  Think about having to try to force a slacker to do the job he's paid to to - and worst of all, you LIKE the guy and it frustrates the hell out of you to see him waste what potential he has by doing nothing that he isn't forced to do.  Think about getting sincere-seeming declarations of love one day and getting cheap lounge lizard come-ons the next ("'Cause when we're in here, baby, time will stand still." ) and trying to figure out how the guy REALLY feels about you. 

Most of all, think about having had to become responsible and take care of oneself from a very young age...and seeing a constant reminder that some people got taken care of, didn't fully appreciate it, and seem somehow to STILL expect the world to take care of them, when you have been alone and have to take care of yourself and now them, too.

I might be a teensy bit bitchy to Fry if I had to cover for him and save his butt on a weekly basis....and caring about him might make the frustration worse, not better.

Just a thought.
Venus

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« Reply #10 on: 01-20-2006 02:16 »

I agree with everything Shiny just said.
Gopher

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« Reply #11 on: 01-20-2006 03:46 »

I'm confused on one point, Shiny. What is all this "potential" you talk about fry having? He's a lazy, incompetent moron. Pretty much all he has going for him is he's (sometimes) sweet, and he can breakdance.  smile
Dave B

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« Reply #12 on: 01-20-2006 06:21 »
« Last Edit on: 01-20-2006 06:21 »

   
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Nonsense - Fry with the Parasites didn't suddenly become a jerk.  Neither did he take advantage of her when she was affected by the Brainspawns' bonehead power. 


Yes but we're talking about SUPER intellegance that can make someone arrogant, I mean think of Futurestock for example Fry became arrogant towards his friends, so I don't see why it wouldn't happen again...!

Shiny

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« Reply #13 on: 01-20-2006 08:04 »

 
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Originally posted by Gopher:
I'm confused on one point, Shiny. What is all this "potential" you talk about fry having? He's a lazy, incompetent moron. Pretty much all he has going for him is he's (sometimes) sweet, and he can breakdance.   smile

I did say "what potential he has."   tongue

The "lazy" and "incompetant" parts are matters of choice - he could choose to work harder.  Plenty of not-so-bright individuals learn to be useful by being diligent and paying attention to what they need to. 

Fry's a competant video game player and he can remember all that Star Trek trivia, so clearly he's capable of learning something if he really applies himself.  Or so it would appear to Leela, who does not now remember what the Nibblonians told her about Fry's "special" mind.


 
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Originally posted by Dave B:
   Yes but we're talking about SUPER intellegance that can make someone arrogant...

Well, that's what we assume, based on years of science-fiction about big-headed meglomaniacs and villians who sport educated British accents.  Personally I think compassion, once learned, is hard to forget, and that it is independent of intelligence. 

Our egalitarian culture makes us suspicious of those with greater ability, and our habit of looking at the bad things rather than the good makes us remember Mengele but forget about Albert Schweitzer.  But history is full of good people who were intelligent; we just culturally tend to focus on the cruelties and ignore the kindnesses.

 
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...I mean think of Futurestock for example Fry became arrogant towards his friends, so I don't see why it wouldn't happen again...!

Arrogant, well, yes - a little.  Although he thought he was doing them, and Planet Express, good at the time.  Notice that he assumed that That Guy thought of PE as a family, too.  Personally I think Fry's good heart means that he assumes others have a good heart as well, so at least some of his stupidity is more of an innocence (which is part of what makes him loveable).
Dave B

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« Reply #14 on: 01-20-2006 08:21 »
« Last Edit on: 01-20-2006 08:21 »

   
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Originally posted by Shiny:
 Arrogant, well, yes - a little.  Although he thought he was doing them, and Planet Express, good at the time.  Notice that he assumed that That Guy thought of PE as a family, too.  Personally I think Fry's good heart means that he assumes others have a good heart as well, so at least some of his stupidity is more of an innocence (which is part of what makes him loveable).

Yes I agree, partly the reason I like Fry is due to his kindness and innocence towards the future so I guess maybe he would be nice enough and passionate towards Leela to not take advantage of her, yeah...
Ralph Snart

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« Reply #15 on: 01-20-2006 11:38 »
« Last Edit on: 01-22-2006 00:00 »

Shiny, Venus:  You're both right - Fry is a lazy slob and could be considered a loser.  He also doesn't have a malicious bone in his body.  Is that enough to make a relationship off of.  No.

Leela was an isolated child who made something of herself.  Fry was also a child that had no positive guidance - his parents weren't Mensa candidates, for sure.  He went a different direction and didn't make anything of himself.  But then he had no reason to want to improve himself.  When he approaches Leela, he does it with the grace and tact of a desperate drunk at closing time at the local bar, but he's never had anybody teach him the way of truely being romantic (except maybe Amy - that's a POSITIVE influence sarcasm.)  All he knows is from watching "Larry The Lounge Lizard" from 'Three's Company'.

I'm not saying that Leela is wrong but when she goes off, she can be quite mean and vindictive.  She doesn't appear to be as nearly sympathetic as Fry when she does that.

Ralph 'About to be stoned by the females' Snart

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Venus

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« Reply #16 on: 01-20-2006 16:11 »

Well as she said in LH she likes to 'keep her sadness pent up inside where it can fester quietly as a mental illness'. You can't keep all that walled up without a little of it exploding free every so often.
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« Reply #17 on: 01-20-2006 18:49 »

I think leela whould fall for Fry because he was smart and could impress her easily
Shiny

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« Reply #18 on: 01-24-2006 07:59 »
« Last Edit on: 01-24-2006 07:59 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Shiny, Venus:  You're both right - Fry is a lazy slob and could be considered a loser.  He also doesn't have a malicious bone in his body.  Is that enough to make a relationship off of?  No.

Wait a minute...yes it is!  Shippiness forever!    love

 
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When he approaches Leela, he does it with the grace and tact of a desperate drunk at closing time at the local bar...

 laff  Perfect description...

 
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I'm not saying that Leela is wrong but when she goes off, she can be quite mean and vindictive.  She doesn't appear to be as nearly sympathetic as Fry when she does that.

I don't recall anything from the show where she was "mean and vindictive." Grouchy and exasperated, yes.  Short with him because she was busy, yes.  "Mean" is a judgement call, and mileages vary.  But "vindictive...?"  I don't see it.

In the fanfic, that's another story.  Are you sure you're not conflating just a little?

 
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miss_bender

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« Reply #19 on: 02-19-2006 17:04 »

But if Fry were smart he wouldn't be in the future because he would have realized that I.C. Weiner was a prank name so he wouldn't have gone to make that delivery to the cryogenics lab and there would be no Futurama.
Shiny

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« Reply #20 on: 02-20-2006 11:04 »

Nope, because he only looked at the address before going there, he didn't need to look at the name until he arrived.  A common mistake made by delivery boys (and girls) everywhere, which is why prank-calling them is such fun for bored loser schmerks.
Chug a Bug

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« Reply #21 on: 04-19-2006 20:01 »

I don't get much time these days for reading boards these days so this is a late comment, but still -

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Think about getting sincere-seeming declarations of love one day and getting cheap lounge lizard come-ons the next ("'Cause when we're in here, baby, time will stand still." ) and trying to figure out how the guy REALLY feels about you.

He's sincere enough but he's also desperate enough to try anything to win her over. So he tries everything - opening his heart, giving her champagne, the overly sentimental approach "I Wuv U" and even the lounge lizard approach - and deservedly gets a clout for it. By the time of The Why of Fry he's in a real funk and on the point of giving up, when he gets some help and renewed hope from an unexpected direction.

Other than that theres nothing that I didn't agree with in all the posts you made.
dawoodz
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« Reply #22 on: 04-20-2006 13:00 »

I think tht fry wudnt be interested in leela if she was dumb. By tht I dont mean tht he likes her 4 her 'brains' (unless he's some sort of cannibal) cos I dont't know why he likes her. He sud kill kif and go out wiv amy. She's by far the hotter.
TomAllen

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« Reply #23 on: 04-20-2006 13:31 »

You know, people say Fry is dumb.  For example, I do.  But lately I've been wondering.

Who thought of the idea of a second garbage ball in A Big Piece of Garbage?  Who wrote the finale to "Single Female Lawyer"?  Who taught Zoidberg to woo Edna?  Who saw through Alcazar in A Bicyclops Built for Two?  Who abandoned the Parasites Lost so that Leela could see the real him?  And so on....

Fry is actually pretty smart on some occasions, and Leela is sometimes pretty -- well, not dumb, but to use a lame metaphor, she "thinks inside the box."

Arkan

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« Reply #24 on: 04-20-2006 18:37 »

Yeah, I was thinking about that. I was gonna make a list of all the smart things Fry's ever done/said, but I couldnt be bothered. But yeah, he definitely does have his smart moments... "My point remains valid!" etc.
Kagome

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« Reply #25 on: 04-26-2006 21:41 »

Fry is Intelleigent in video games and she's really dumb because of her vision problem,short temper,PMS,and other things.
Pedro La Loco

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« Reply #26 on: 06-15-2006 03:04 »

 
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Originally posted by CrapBag:
face it, it will never happen dude
               
           

Well Said

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Xanfor

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« Reply #27 on: 06-15-2006 09:05 »
« Last Edit on: 06-15-2006 09:05 »

Fry is not stupid, but merely ignorant and na´ve with a side of lazy.

     
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Originally posted by the great benevolent leader of shipperdom, Shiny:
Think about having to try to force a slacker to do the job he's paid to to - and worst of all, you LIKE the guy and it frustrates the hell out of you to see him waste what potential he has by doing nothing that he isn't forced to do. Think about getting sincere-seeming declarations of love one day and getting cheap lounge lizard come-ons the next ("'Cause when we're in here, baby, time will stand still." ) and trying to figure out how the guy REALLY feels about you.

Now that I think about it, this makes sense. Although weren't Fry's 'sincere' declarations during when he had the worms? Anyway, my main point is that... Well... I don't really have a point anymore. Shiny kind of explained it...
However, don't you think that this would all be easier if when Fry axes Leela out, Leela actually told him why she refuses? Maybe he would change? Sure, for Fry it seems far-fetched, but hey, we're talking about Leela here. But no, always excuses on her part. So Leela: either say no or go out with the guy!

     
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Quoted by Xanfor so often he'd ought to make it his signature:
You know, I could rephrase this another way:
Fry loves Leela. Therefore, he wants to be her friend, and do anything he can for her. Leela likes this, and therefore accepts his help and friendship, yet keeps their relationship at a standstill because she's is afraid that if she promotes him up to the level of an actual person, (aka, Adalai, Chaz) he won't care as much anymore.

Doesn't make sense to me, yet that's what I see.
Now I'm depressed.       cry

But yes, they both need to change a little. Learn from each other. Now that's a meaningful relationship. *sniff*

 
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A previously posted rebuttal by Shiny:
I must insist on stating - Leela is not consciously teasing Fry - she's just not emotionally savvy enough, I don't think, to plan out "I'm going to keep him in this limbo because it's comfortable for me." Au contraire, I don't think Leela knows WHAT Fry really feels about her at any one moment, and if she ever really did know with any certainty, she'd lose a lot of her ambivalence.

This seems counter-intuitive, because Fry's such an open book, but Leela's experience has been with people whose surface emotions do NOT reflect what's really going on inside. I don't think she can quite believe that Fry is really as obvious as he seems. That and Fry's behavior can be...errrrum....a bit erratic at times. I don't think Leela "gets" that Fry's micro attention span is actually out of his control a lot of the time, not just the result of mental laziness.

But watch - the times when Leela starts to fall for him are when he communicates successfully with her about how he really feels. Then he does something that seems to contradict that, and she is filled with doubt again, and pulls away.

Now, we see Fry when Leela's not around, so WE know how sincerely devoted to her he has become, but she is not privy to this perspective. In any given shippy episode, try watching only the scenes that Leela is present in, and see if Fry isn't a bit harder to read than you'd think...

But they still can learn from each other, right? They need to learn!

Bows down before Shiny, pleading

Edit: Something completely different: Something added sort of as a memorial to Fry: Soemthing not meant to convey the point that it's all Leela's fault: 'Cause it's not: It's Fry's fault as well: But anyway: Ignore this if you want to:
   
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Originally posted by TomAllen:
Who thought of the idea of a second garbage ball in A Big Piece of Garbage? Who wrote the finale to "Single Female Lawyer"? Who taught Zoidberg to woo Edna? Who saw through Alcazar in A Bicyclops Built for Two? Who abandoned the Parasites Lost so that Leela could see the real him? And so on....


If you wish to answer this post with a longish response that could be deemed slightly or partially off-topic with accordance to the subject of this thread, please reply in this  thread.

Pedro La Loco

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« Reply #28 on: 06-15-2006 14:54 »

Leela couldn't be dumb and fry couldn't be smart
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