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Malachy

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« on: 04-08-2005 11:08 »

Fry and Amy - What Were the Intentions?
by Malachy
4/8/05

First things first, recall the season 2 episodes "Put Your Head On My Shoulders" (2ACV07). It was a story in which Fry dates Amy, Fry gets sick of Amy, Fry gets attached to Amy, in the end they break up. You know, that sort of thing.

Now the thing I'd like to discuss in this essay is: What were the intentions of having Fry and Amy get together? Were Fry and Amy originally meant to be together, or was this just a placeholder until the Fry-Leela chemistry is revealed? There's evidence supporting both ideas.

First, the side of Fry and Amy being the original Futurama couple. Keep in mind that it wasn't until later in season 2 that the underlying Fry and Leela have-a-crush-on-eachother idea was revealed. This opens up the possibility that Fry and Amy were supposed to be together, but a change was later made. Also, Fry and Amy's relationship was referenced several times later on in the series. This also supports the Futurama double-couple theory.

But now let us take a look at the other side. Fry and Amy's relationship, though referenced from time to time later on in the series, really only lasted for a single episode ( 2ACV07); while the Fry and Leela angle was danced around for more than 2 years. Also, lest we forget that Fry and Leela's relationship was the ultimate means to an end for Futurama. This is a very important fact -- perhaps even the most important.

Think about it -- Futurama only ended once, so the theme they choose for their series finale has to be of some major importance. Did they choose a Fry/Professor aspect? Fry/Bender? Fry/Seymour? No. The series ending by wrapping up what was the most important character relationship on the entire show (sexual or asexual).

That is why I propose to you that the Fry and Amy relationship was not meant to be a one-off joke, but at the same time it was not supposed to be a long-lasting affair. No, it was in fact a serious relatinshop, but the writers took great care into seeing that the Fry/Amy thing would not compare to the great love that was/is between Fry and Leela. Fry and Amy's relationship was one of sexual and savage interest -- it bore no deep meaning, no deep connection. This is wholly opposite to the Fry/Leela who can be described best by Shakespeare as 'a pair of star-cross’d lovers'.
Andy1234

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« Reply #1 on: 04-08-2005 13:58 »

i think that was just a one off, because in the pilot, when fry, leela, and bender are in old new york, fry and leela put their hands together- then bender spoils the moment- but this was the first sign of sparks between Fry and Leela.

Also, in Aflight to remember, leela and fry
almost kissed but the black hole interupted, showing more sparks between them and proving your,
 
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Originally Posted by Malachy
Keep in mind that it wasn't until later in season 2 that the underlying Fry and Leela have-a-crush-on-eachother idea was revealed.
Wrong.
David A

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« Reply #2 on: 04-08-2005 14:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Malachy:
Keep in mind that it wasn't until later in season 2 that the underlying Fry and Leela have-a-crush-on-eachother idea was revealed.

No, it was there from the first episode.  Go watch the pilot again and pay attention during the scene in the ruins of old New York.  If that doesn't convince you, watch episode two again, and pay attention during the scene in the lunar lander.

 
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Also, Fry and Amy's relationship was referenced several times later on in the series.

It was referenced exactly twice.  Once in "Parasites Lost" and once in "Time Keeps on Slipping".

Can one of the mods move this to the Human Resource Department?
cujoe169
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« Reply #3 on: 04-08-2005 15:49 »

or just close it?
David A

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« Reply #4 on: 04-08-2005 16:38 »

Why should they close it?  It's a perfectly valid topic; it's just in the wrong forum.
j_ohanley

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« Reply #5 on: 04-09-2005 18:48 »

Yeah, the Fry and Amy thing was just a one off thing. If you ask me, PYHOMS was more about Fry and Leela than Fry and Amy.
Harry Sach

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« Reply #6 on: 04-10-2005 02:53 »

 
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Originally posted by j_ohanley:
Yeah, the Fry and Amy thing was just a one off thing. If you ask me, PYHOMS was more about Fry and Leela than Fry and Amy.

I agree. It's always about Fry and Leela, even though nobody realizes it. Well, maybe Nibbler does.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #7 on: 04-15-2005 10:55 »

Fry and Amy didn't have a date for Valentine's Day in that episode.  So, my guess is, the intentions of Fry and Amy were just a roll in the hay.  So, neither of them will be alone on Valentine's Day. 

I agree with j_ohanley, it was more of an episode about Fry and Leela and not to mention ploy to develop Fry's and Leela's realtionship. 
Mystery_Meat

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« Reply #8 on: 04-24-2005 17:13 »

I think the reason they had Fry and Amy hook up and break up in one quick episode was to clear the way for Fry and Leela, at least in the eyes of the viewers. In the real world, Fry probably wouldn't be THAT interested in Leela (Leela would also have two eyes, but shhh), because they really don't have THAT many shared interests. Meanwhile, Fry and Amy would be a perfect match because their personalities mesh really well. So if you have them go out and then break up, that solves the problem for casual viewers who wonder why Fry isn't trying to tap Amy instead of Leela.
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« Reply #9 on: 04-24-2005 20:53 »

 I think it was just a obsticle for Fry and Leela to get together. And it was ironic how he wanted to  break up with her but he was attached to her so it was harder. But in A fight to remember leela got jelous of Amy being with Fry. So thats showing some mutual feelings   
Jicannon

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« Reply #10 on: 04-25-2005 00:06 »

They just liked hanging out and stuff.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #11 on: 04-25-2005 00:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Jicannon:
They just liked hanging out and stuff.

And junk...

I don't think that the whole Fry/Amy thing was supposed to be that big in the series. I mean, from the first episode, it was all about Fry and Leela.

They teased a Fry and Amy relationship a few times "Put your head on my shoulder" and even "Flight to Remember" to an extent. But I dont think that it would have gone any further...
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #12 on: 04-26-2005 04:38 »

It was a one shot gag-ep. No more, no less.

"And after all, isn't that what Valentine's Day is really about?"
Shiny

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« Reply #13 on: 04-27-2005 00:35 »
« Last Edit on: 04-27-2005 00:35 »

Actually, I think it was not so much a one-shot gag as the writers considering and eliminating the Fry/Amy relationship to make it clear that Fry and Leela were the One True Pairing(TM) of the series.  In the Titanic ep, Fry says he just doesn't think of Amy that way, but he clearly enjoyed kissing her. 

Fry and Amy are close in age and in general outlook, and both are sexually eager.  If sparks didn't occur between them, we'd start to wonder what was wrong, especially with Fry.  So they went ahead and explored that avenue, and made it clear that while Fry found Amy attractive, and sex with Amy plenty attractive, he didn't have any deeper attraction for her.  Since Amy is a prime catch for a low-paid perennial loser like him, it also showed that Fry doesn't date girls for the social advantages they can bring him.

By having Fry and Amy have their fling and move past it, they cleared the playing field for Fry and Leela's relationship to develop, unhindered by the only other inter-Planet Express coupling that would have made any sense.

Plus they got some great mileage from putting a science fiction jalapeno up the tailpipe of a tired old cliche phrase in the title.   big grin
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« Reply #14 on: 05-01-2005 22:48 »

Dream on, ship-girl.  tongue
Shiny

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« Reply #15 on: 05-04-2005 19:54 »

 
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
Dream on, ship-girl.   tongue

Hey - I'd suspect myself of wishful thinking, if not for the rather to-the-point dialog bits: 

Fry: I'm not actually interested in [Amy] if that's what's bothering you.

Leela: Oh. Are you sure? I mean, she has two eyes, you have two eyes.

Fry: I know, we seem like a perfect match. But, I just don't feel that way about her.

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Amy: Y'know Fry, I really like hanging out at you. [Fry procedes to panic]

(later in the episode...)

Leela: I actually enjoyed hanging out with you. [Fry hardly bats an eye]


The deliberate parallel in Amy and Leela's lines couldn't make it more obvious that we're expected to compare Fry's reactions and conclude which of the two he is willing to get serious about.

Shippy side of the Force: add 5 pts
Ship-skeptic side: subtract 5 pts

We're still winning...  flirt
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #16 on: 05-05-2005 07:33 »
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Oh, I'm not going to deny that there are shippy elements in the ep, but the ep just wasn't played that way. It's not a vital part of the 'shipper cannon,' so to speak.

The fact is, the Amy/Fry thing wasn't dealt with in any serious way, and was milked entirely for jokes. I don't think we're supposed to come to any conclusions apart from A)Fry is dumb and B)Exploding Robot Ass(TM) is funny. It didn't really add anything to the whole Fry/Leela dealie.

Now, obviosly, Fry having another attractive co-worker was going to be dealt with at some point. But there's a reason that this is a shiny, happy, Season 2 ep instead of a part of the turgid emotional swing-a-ma-jig that was the latter seasons: it's just there to be funny.

I wouldn't put this ep as any higher on a shippers concern than, say, The Cyber House Rules. And that ep came out after the tone for the Fry/Leela relationship had been properly set (that of the near-desperate and occasionally gallent pursuer and the reluctant pursued).

So, my conclusion: Fry/Amy was bound to happen sooner or later, but it's handled in the same manner as say, 'Fry finds looks for an appartment' or 'this is where Dr Zoidberg comes from.' It's something fun to do, that's going to be done sooner or later, but doesn't have any real bearing on the overall romance plot.

Anyway, this episode is far too funny to be have any real shipper content.   tongue

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David A

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« Reply #17 on: 05-05-2005 08:45 »

 
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
Fry/Amy was bound to happen sooner or later

There's a good reason for it happening sooner rather than later:

"You know, I've been pursuing Leela for a long time now, I've been nothing but nice to her, I've saved her life several times, and I even prevented her from killing her own parents, and she still treats me like dirt.  Amy is actually nice to me, and never makes me feel like I'm stupid, a lazy slob, or just plain not good enough for her.  I think I'll just stay with Amy."

 tongue
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« Reply #18 on: 05-05-2005 19:37 »

That's evil and you know it! I can't say you don't have some points, but...*grabs Shiny*, I'm with her. Stop crushing our hopes like that  tongue
Shiny

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« Reply #19 on: 05-05-2005 20:15 »

She doesn't treat Fry like dirt!  She does get annoyed with him when he's pushy and bossy when he slacks off, but that's not the same thing.

Look, Fry's my favorite character, and I love him dearly, but he can be a pain in the ass.  Leela also has to relate to him as a captain, and Fry is a nightmare of an employee.  Is it any wonder she gets frustrated with him?

I'll compromise with Mssr. SlackJawed...I'll say that Head&Shoulders was mostly done for laughs, but I remain convinced that it was also used to further the shippiness of Fry and Leela.  And to point out that Fry and Amy are too much alike to have a serious relationship.

*links arms with AsaB* Fry and Leela forever!!!  big grin
David A

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« Reply #20 on: 05-05-2005 20:44 »
« Last Edit on: 05-05-2005 20:44 »

 
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Originally posted by AsaB:
That's evil and you know it! I can't say you don't have some points, but...*grabs Shiny*, I'm with her. Stop crushing our hopes like that   tongue

Evil?  Maybe, but it's more or less true, at least in the last season or so.  Fry puts Leela up on a pedestal, and in return, Leela treats Fry as if he's beneath her.

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Look, Fry's my favorite character, and I love him dearly, but he can be a pain in the ass. Leela also has to relate to him as a captain, and Fry is a nightmare of an employee. Is it any wonder she gets frustrated with him?

It's a wonder that he doesn't get frustrated with her.

 
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Fry and Amy are too much alike to have a serious relationship.

On TV maybe.  In real life they'd probably make a good couple.
Shiny

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« Reply #21 on: 05-06-2005 00:35 »

Okay, perhaps Fry and Amy are just too much alike to have an entertaining relationship.  Still, I get a buddy-vibe from them, not a romantic tension vibe.

As for Leela & Fry....well, you seem determined to dislike Leela and I doubt I can argue you out of it.  But you might look at things from her point of view sometimes.  For instance - no one ever asked her if she wanted to be put on a pedestal.  She might not like it there at all.  Just a thought.
Venus

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« Reply #22 on: 05-06-2005 01:02 »

I havn't really noticed Leela treating Fry like dirt. Refusing to go on a date with someone isn't treating them like dirt. If she was a real bitch about it than yeah but she hasn't been. She usually tries to let him down gently or tries to avoid the issue altogether.
David A

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« Reply #23 on: 05-06-2005 12:31 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Okay, perhaps Fry and Amy are just too much alike to have an entertaining relationship.

Exactly.  Fry and Amy would make a good couple, but that would be boring to watch.  Fry and Leela are more entertaining because of their differences.

 
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Still, I get a buddy-vibe from them, not a romantic tension vibe.

There's no romantic tension because they've already been down that road and Fry decided that it wasn't where he wanted to be.

 
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As for Leela & Fry....well, you seem determined to dislike Leela and I doubt I can argue you out of it.  But you might look at things from her point of view sometimes.  For instance - no one ever asked her if she wanted to be put on a pedestal.  She might not like it there at all.  Just a thought.

Who says I dislike Leela?  I like Leela.  I never said that she didn't have good reasons for not being romantically interested in Fry.  I was just suggesting that if Amy had shown a romantic interest in Fry after Leela had repeatedly made it clear that she wasn't interested in him in that way, then maybe Fry would have chosen Amy over Leela.  I mean, he did almost stay in the sunken city of Atlanta (which probably would have meant never seeing Leela again) just to be with Umbriel, and he wouldn't need to make such an irrevocable, life-altering decision to be with Amy.

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
I havn't really noticed Leela treating Fry like dirt. Refusing to go on a date with someone isn't treating them like dirt. If she was a real bitch about it than yeah but she hasn't been. She usually tries to let him down gently or tries to avoid the issue altogether.

I think that "The Why of Fry" qualifies as treating him like dirt.  Granted, she's usually nicer than that, but I have to wonder about what goes on between the episodes.  There are a lot of episodes where Fry seems to have made some progress toward winning Leela's heart, and she seems to reciprocate his feelings somewhat, but by the next episode we're back where we started.  I'm not talking about "Parasites Lost" or "Time Keeps on Slipping" here.  I mean episodes like "Love and Rocket", "The Why of Fry", "The Sting", or "The Farnsworth Parabox".  Either Leela keeps raising Fry's hopes only to dash them expertly, or that's just poor writing (hitting the reset button after thirty minutes are up).

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« Reply #24 on: 05-06-2005 18:29 »
« Last Edit on: 05-06-2005 18:29 »

               
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Originally posted by David A:
 On TV maybe.  In real life they'd probably make a good couple.


LOL, true enough.

               
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Originally posted by David A:
It's a wonder that he doesn't get frustrated with her.

It's because he's in love with her. When you're in love with a woman it makes you do all sorts of dumb stuff that you wouldn't normally dream of doing.

               
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Originally posted by David A:
 I think that "The Why of Fry" qualifies as treating him like dirt.  Granted, she's usually nicer than that, but I have to wonder about what goes on between the episodes.  There are a lot of episodes where Fry seems to have made some progress toward winning Leela's heart, and she seems to reciprocate his feelings somewhat, but by the next episode we're back where we started.  I'm not talking about "Parasites Lost" or "Time Keeps on Slipping" here.  I mean episodes like "Love and Rocket", "The Why of Fry", "The Sting", or "The Farnsworth Parabox".  Either Leela keeps raising Fry's hopes only to dash them expertly, or that's just poor writing (hitting the reset button after thirty minutes are up).

"Love and Rocket" "The Sting" "Why of Fry" and "The Farnsworth Parabox" aren't really about Leela reciprocating his feelings in a romantic way IMO. In "The Sting" she gives him a hug at the end, but thats affection for a good friend rather than a romantic gesture.

In "Love and Rocket" shes grafeful because he saved her life, potentially at the risk of his own, so he definately gained some points there, but it's still not a romantic gesture. At the end, even under the "influence", they almost hold hands - but then get separated by Zoidberg, which makes it obvious where this relationship is going - the writers like to tease us by thinking that it's almost about to happen... and then find some excuse to keep them apart. To keep up our interest and the suspense of course. It's the classic will they/won't they situation to  keep us watching.

As for the "Farnsworth Parabox", well she very reluctantly seemingly agrees to a date which we hear nothing more about so yes, I agree I think they made a slip there. But even so I'd say she agreed to it more to do with peer pressure than because of any changes in her feelings towards him.

I don't think that she treats him like dirt in "The Why of Fry", granted it was little insensitive, but she's got her mind on Chaz. Later when she finds out what a scuzball he is and she realises that Fry is the better man as much as anything else because he was prepared to wait 6 hours to get a ticket for her, she softens towards him somewhat, hence the kiss, but I still wouldn't say that that was an overtly romantic gesture. Certainly Fry liked to read more into it hence his "yes!" but it also shows how far he's still got to go, his reaction being somewhat childish, as Leela's reaction showed.

So I would say her reaction to, or rather her rejection of Fry's advances, is pretty consistant IMO.
David A

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« Reply #25 on: 05-07-2005 12:27 »

 
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Originally posted by Chug a Bug:
"Love and Rocket" "The Sting" "Why of Fry" and "The Farnsworth Parabox" aren't really about Leela reciprocating his feelings in a romantic way IMO. In "The Sting" she gives him a hug at the end, but thats affection for a good friend rather than a romantic gesture.

I'm sorry, but if you don't think that the end of "The Sting" is romantic there must be something wrong with you.

 
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In "Love and Rocket" shes grafeful because he saved her life, potentially at the risk of his own, so he definately gained some points there, but it's still not a romantic gesture. At the end, even under the "influence", they almost hold hands - but then get separated by Zoidberg, which makes it obvious where this relationship is going - the writers like to tease us by thinking that it's almost about to happen... and then find some excuse to keep them apart. To keep up our interest and the suspense of course. It's the classic will they/won't they situation to  keep us watching.

That sort of thing doesn't keep up my interest.  Too much of that will make me lose interest.  You say classic, I say cliché.

 
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As for the "Farnsworth Parabox", well she very reluctantly seemingly agrees to a date which we hear nothing more about so yes, I agree I think they made a slip there. But even so I'd say she agreed to it more to do with peer pressure than because of any changes in her feelings towards him.

I would have liked to have seen an episode where Fry and Leela go on that date.  Fry and Leela on a date together could have been pretty funny, and even if things went badly and Leela told Fry that she didn't want to go out again, that would have been better than just starting the next episode as if "The Farnsworth Parabox" never happened.

 
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I don't think that she treats him like dirt in "The Why of Fry", granted it was little insensitive, but she's got her mind on Chaz.

I never said that she was intentionally mean to Fry, but being insensitive is just as bad for the person on the receiving end.

 
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Later when she finds out what a scuzball he is and she realises that Fry is the better man as much as anything else because he was prepared to wait 6 hours to get a ticket for her, she softens towards him somewhat, hence the kiss, but I still wouldn't say that that was an overtly romantic gesture. Certainly Fry liked to read more into it hence his "yes!" but it also shows how far he's still got to go, his reaction being somewhat childish, as Leela's reaction showed.

Yeah, this happens all the time.  Leela acts like Fry isn't good enough for her, and then she goes out with some jerk who doesn't treat her anywhere near as well as Fry does.  Then she realizes that the guy she's with is a jerk, and that Fry is nice to her, so she dumps the jerk, but she still acts like Fry isn't good enough for her.

It's like Leela only dates jerks on purpose because she knows that things won't work out, and that way she doesn't have to deal with the possibility of an actual relationship.  Either that, or the writers just think that it's funny when Leela goes out with guys who turn out to be losers.

 
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So I would say her reaction to, or rather her rejection of Fry's advances, is pretty consistant IMO.

Yes, she consistantly rejects him.  That was my point.

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Shiny

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« Reply #26 on: 05-07-2005 14:14 »

 
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It's like Leela only dates jerks on purpose because she knows that things won't work out, and that way she doesn't have to deal with the possibility of an actual relationship.

Or not on purpose, but subconsciously, because she was raised by people who told her she was worthless and would never amount to anything.  And because she has a major, major fear of abandonment, and Fry hasn't exactly represented himself as someone who takes commitment seriously. 
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« Reply #27 on: 05-07-2005 14:51 »

That's been my theory for a long time. Shes been abandoned and abused as a child and then used and discriminated against as an adult. Of course she's going to have issues. If she dates a stranger who turns out to be a jerk she can kick him to the curb and never see him again, but she sees Fry everyday and he seems to be the closest thing she has to a best friend. So if things went bad between them she has lost not only a lover but a friend as well and for someone who has such a hard time making friends, that's a huge scary risk to make.
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« Reply #28 on: 05-07-2005 15:04 »

Well, "on purpose" was a poor choice of words on my part.  I do agree that it's a subconscious thing.

 
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If she dates a stranger who turns out to be a jerk she can kick him to the curb and never see him again, but she sees Fry everyday and he seems to be the closest thing she has to a best friend. So if things went bad between them she has lost not only a lover but a friend as well and for someone who has such a hard time making friends, that's a huge scary risk to make.

I think that's it exactly.
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« Reply #29 on: 05-07-2005 15:51 »
« Last Edit on: 05-07-2005 15:51 »

I still don't think she treats Fry like dirt, though.  She treats Zapp like dirt.  And even then, it took her a couple episodes to warm up to that.  She was trying not to insult him to his face on the Titanic.  That only lasted until he arrested her and blew up DOOP headquarters and incited her crew to mutiny.  After that, she doesn't spare him at all (which is much funnier, anyway.  Hee!)

And come to think, the mutiny is something Fry did to hurt Leela.  So it's not quite true he's been "nothing but nice" to her.

I'd say also that Fry helped create the situation by putting forward his "irresponsible slacker happy-go-lucky Peter Pan" persona so enthusiastically.  That's not the kind of guy someone afraid of being hurt and abandoned is going to trust with her heart. 

If nothing else, the Sting and Devil's Hands show that Fry has become willing to stick it out and put forth some real effort over the long term for Leela.  That's going to get him farther with her than anything else he's done.
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« Reply #30 on: 05-07-2005 16:44 »

 
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And come to think, the mutiny is something Fry did to hurt Leela.  So it's not quite true he's been "nothing but nice" to her.

He didn't do it to hurt her; he did it to avoid work.  It's her own fault for trying to get him to do his job.   tongue
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« Reply #31 on: 05-07-2005 17:48 »

Likewise, Leela's never done anything to hurt Fry; she's been wrapped up in her own happiness, or exasperated and impatient with his foolishness.  Which even he admits is pretty foolish.
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« Reply #32 on: 05-07-2005 18:28 »
« Last Edit on: 05-07-2005 18:28 »

   
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Originally posted by David A:
 I'm sorry, but if you don't think that the end of "The Sting" is romantic there must be something wrong with you.

No. I disagee, it's heartfelt, but thats not the same as romantic.

   
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That sort of thing doesn't keep up my interest. Too much of that will make me lose interest. You say classic, I say cliché.

Perhaps, but it certainly works for most people.

   
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Originally posted by David A:
Yeah, this happens all the time. Leela acts like Fry isn't good enough for her, and then she goes out with some jerk who doesn't treat her anywhere near as well as Fry does. Then she realizes that the guy she's with is a jerk, and that Fry is nice to her, so she dumps the jerk, but she still acts like Fry isn't good enough for her.

Yeah, Leela does think that Fry isn't good enough for her. And thats the point. She likes him as a friend but thats as far as it goes.

   
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Originally posted by Venus:
That's been my theory for a long time. Shes been abandoned and abused as a child and then used and discriminated against as an adult. Of course she's going to have issues. If she dates a stranger who turns out to be a jerk she can kick him to the curb and never see him again, but she sees Fry everyday and he seems to be the closest thing she has to a best friend. So if things went bad between them she has lost not only a lover but a friend as well and for someone who has such a hard time making friends, that's a huge scary risk to make.

I'm not convinced that she dates jerks on purpose though, their bad side only becomes apparent later. She genuinely believes that they're a potential Mr Right. But it is an obvious, well, call it cliche if you want, that every date Leela has turns out to be a creep, because nothing can be allowed the disturb the dynamic between her and Fry.

I think the problem is that she simply doesn't think that he's good enough for her, and I don't mean that in a mean way. I mean that she thinks he's lazy, childish, inept, dim-witted and lacking ambition. And unfortunately, she's right. But that doesn't mean that she doesn't like him, as friend. But it's just not attractive in a potential mate.

   
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Originally posted by Shiny:
I still don't think she treats Fry like dirt, though.  She treats Zapp like dirt...

Likewise, Leela's never done anything to hurt Fry; she's been wrapped up in her own happiness, or exasperated and impatient with his foolishness.
Exactly.

Venus

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« Reply #33 on: 05-07-2005 23:41 »

Obviously when she first starts to date a guy she doesn't know if he's  ajerk or not, but the fact that he is a jerk is usually established pretty quickly but it always seems to take her a little while to figure it out. That's what i mean about subconciously dates jerks. It usually takes a major act of douschebaggery for her to finally get a clue. exp: Adlai and Chaz.
Chug a Bug

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« Reply #34 on: 05-08-2005 08:03 »

I'm sorry, but I disagree. I don't think that she's aware of the fact any later than the viewer is.
jamdav86

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« Reply #35 on: 05-08-2005 09:28 »

I'm sorry, but I lost interest in this thread halfway down. The only conclusion I'll make is that characters, just like people, may have 'off days', so they are jerks some days. The Fry/Amy thing was to shut up the people saying "Why don't they get together?" to clear the way for the Fry/Leela thing set up from the beginning, obviously to be rsolved at what they felt was the 'natural' end of the series, not just FOX not ordering any more episodes.
Mystery_Meat

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« Reply #36 on: 05-08-2005 20:33 »
« Last Edit on: 05-08-2005 20:33 »

Fry opened up like a toy store on the day after Thanksgiving a bunch of times to Leela. She proceeded to either blow him off or plant false hope  (like TWOF) and then act like nothing's changed the next episode. Even in The Sting, Leela's main feelings tended to be guilt over Fry's death, not sadness at his not being there any more.

Now that I think about it, here's the ideal end to the series. In the final scene of Devil's Hands, when Leela asks Fry to keep playing, Fry plays the final act with him and Leela walking towards each other ... then Fry walks past her and towards Amy, the music changes to a porno soundtrack, and they do the horozontal bop in front of Leela. Cut to black.
David A

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« Reply #37 on: 05-08-2005 22:13 »

 laff  I like the way this guy thinks.
Shiny

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« Reply #38 on: 05-10-2005 18:28 »

Somehow I think y'all's idea of romance resembles Bender's more than anyone else's...  tongue
David A

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« Reply #39 on: 05-10-2005 21:35 »

You say that like it's a bad thing, sexy mama.
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