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John Pannozzi

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« on: 10-19-2004 22:05 »

Why did Amy, Bender, Zoidy, the Professy and Hermes have to something so cruel and mean-spirited at the very end of the series?  cry I mean, Bender was nice enough to go to Fry's holophoner lessions, why didn't he stay at Fry's opera. He could have just covered his ears and pretended to like it. Why did the Prof. walk out on his own nephew? Why did Amy walk out on one of her closest friends?   cry Are the PE Crew still friends?
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #1 on: 10-19-2004 22:11 »

Because everyone on the show is a jerk.  They're lovable jerks, but they're still normal, selfish human beings (and one normal, selfish lobsteroid critter.)  Besides, I think you're missing the point.  The point was not that his friends left, but that Leela stayed.  It could have worked from a slightly diferent emotional angle if they had all been in the theater at the end, but Groening and DXC really wanted to nail the romance thing.

All in all, though, I have seen series finales that were better at being series finales.  (But very few that were more entertaining.)

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« Reply #2 on: 10-19-2004 22:12 »

uh...yeah. They're always a bit dissregarding towards each others feelings and it's never effected their friendship before. What exactly were you expecting hugs and puppys? And why are you bringing this up now, over a full year since it aired?
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #3 on: 10-19-2004 22:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
Because everyone on the show is a jerk.


Amy's a jerk!?!
Philp_J_Fry

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« Reply #4 on: 10-19-2004 22:15 »

That was the point.Leela was supposed to be the only one there to make a better end to the show and end it more emotinal and romantic.
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« Reply #5 on: 10-19-2004 22:23 »
« Last Edit on: 10-19-2004 22:23 »

They all thought that he wasn't going to play anymore! And they were right to think so. Fry was going to leave until Leela stopped him. They had no idea he was going to continue playing at Leela's request, so they just left with everyone else and probably waited outside for Fry.

EDIT: I do know what you mean though. It was espically obvious, because this directly mirrored an episode(the last?!) episode of Doug.  http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-1714/epid-83065/

'Cept in that episode, all his friends stayed at the end of the concert even though he sucked and everyone else had already left.
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« Reply #6 on: 10-19-2004 22:38 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
 Amy's a jerk!?!

Amy is more promiscuous than a Hollywood socialite. She waves her money in other peoples faces. She has the personality of a plastic bag. I don't think Amy's the kind of girl you'd want to bring home to your mother.
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #7 on: 10-19-2004 22:51 »

"Oh, so this is where you shop for your boots!"

"Plus you don't really have the thighs for a miniskirt."

"Oh. Maybe it's just the cute ones."

"Sporty go-cart, Leela! So hip and sexy. Not like you at all."

"Do they come in womens sizes?"

"Not if Leela is engaged."

Yeah. Real nice.
Jicannon

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« Reply #8 on: 10-20-2004 00:06 »

Because I would have hated the episode (even more) if they had all said "It's the last episode! Let's change our personalities and all support and hug Fry until the camera fades out one last time!"
Zoidberg227

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« Reply #9 on: 10-20-2004 01:20 »

What Jicannon said.  Plus, the romantic part wouldn't have been nearly as touching if Leela wasn't the only one who stayed.  I did think it was kinda weird that his closest friends and family abandoned him, but the most important one stayed.
Dr.Jerkbird

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« Reply #10 on: 10-20-2004 02:43 »

to be honest i never gave it a single thought, it was surposed to be a romantic moment between Fry and leela. I dont think that the witers meant for the PE crew to be rude. that is not the focus of the episode.
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« Reply #11 on: 10-20-2004 08:16 »

Peer pressure.
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #12 on: 10-20-2004 09:39 »

 
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Originally posted by TheLampIncident:
 Amy is more promiscuous than a Hollywood socialite. She waves her money in other peoples faces. She has the personality of a plastic bag. I don't think Amy's the kind of girl you'd want to bring home to your mother.

I beg to differ. Amy is a very nice person. She fell in love with Kif, a nice guy who's not attractive or rich.
ShortRoundMcfly

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« Reply #13 on: 10-20-2004 19:39 »

 
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
"Oh, so this is where you shop for your boots!"

"Plus you don't really have the thighs for a miniskirt."

"Oh. Maybe it's just the cute ones."

"Sporty go-cart, Leela! So hip and sexy. Not like you at all."

"Do they come in womens sizes?"

"Not if Leela is engaged."

Yeah. Real nice.

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« Reply #14 on: 10-21-2004 02:13 »

I just saw Spanish Fry and Amy, Hermes, Zoidberg, Professor all laughed at Fry when Fry said he'll never know happiness again.  It makes sense that they would leave Fry at the end of TDHAIPT
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« Reply #15 on: 10-21-2004 02:23 »

Yeah they did all laugh. Those cold, mean jerks.
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« Reply #16 on: 10-21-2004 02:46 »

But they weren't trying to be insensitive. They were just laughing at his Groucho glasses. Even Leela thought he was "trying to mask [his] pain with humor." I agree that it was in character for the rest of the PE crew to leave the opera house (and completely reasonable, as ShortRoundMcFly pointed out), but that's kind of shoddy evidence.
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« Reply #17 on: 10-21-2004 05:24 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
Because everyone on the show is a jerk.  They're lovable jerks, but they're still normal, selfish human beings (and one normal, selfish lobsteroid critter.)

Everyone's a jerk; you, me, this jerk; that's my theory.

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« Reply #18 on: 10-21-2004 23:26 »

 
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Originally posted by Philp_J_Fry:
That was the point.Leela was supposed to be the only one there to make a better end to the show and end it more emotinal and romantic.

^Exactly what I was going to say.

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« Reply #19 on: 10-22-2004 00:39 »
« Last Edit on: 10-22-2004 00:39 »

 
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
"Not if Leela is engaged."


I never took this to be an insult until you brought it up, and until I re-saw TDHAIP.  When I first heard the line, I assumed Amy meant things were very serious if Leela was to be engaged to the Devil, not as some sort of insult.

But that is her last line in the whole series, isn't it?  I guess she does go out on a sour note.

BTW, I know Zoidberg's last line is "I'll take eight!", but what are the other characters' last lines in the series? (Except for Leela's, which we all know.)

Fry:  "But I can't play!"
Leela: "I want to hear how it ends."
Bender: "That. Is. Irony!"
Farnsworth: ?
Hermes: ?
Amy: "Not if Leela is engaged..."
Zoidberg: "I'll take eight!"

Any others?
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« Reply #20 on: 10-22-2004 01:38 »

Farnsworth: "It can't be real!"
Hermes: "Is this really happening, or just being staged?"

Beelzebot: "It's my poker night, and I feel lucky! C'mon, Nixon!"

It would have been nice for Mom to have a particularly vitriolic line in this episode, wouldn't it?
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« Reply #21 on: 10-22-2004 03:43 »
« Last Edit on: 10-22-2004 03:43 »

oops dang it just missed that post above me. sorry bout that
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« Reply #22 on: 10-22-2004 05:11 »

It's a shame Kif wasn't seen, Zap was =/
Zoidberg227

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« Reply #23 on: 10-22-2004 06:04 »

Farnsworth's last line was:
"I can't believe the devil is so unforgiving!"
It is, of course, followed by what is perhaps the best Zoidberg line of the series, save his line about his mother being a saint in TSHL. 

And I don't think Amy was being intentionally mean when she sang "... not if Leela is engaged!"  I think it was more jealousy over Leela's engagement.  Girls are like that, aren't they?
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #24 on: 10-22-2004 10:16 »

Eh. I thought she was being mean. It was perfectly in character.

I like mean jokes, anyway.  big grin
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #25 on: 10-22-2004 13:02 »
« Last Edit on: 10-22-2004 13:02 »

I just saw Parasites Lost and Hermes, Professor, Amy, Zoidberg, and Bender all wanted to get rid of the worms.  But they never gave no good reason as to why Fry should lose the worms. All they  said was the worms were making him smarter, stronger and have a better chance with Leela. 

Hermes: My God soon he been smarter than Cher.

Hermes: He'll be as smart and flexible as Hercules and Gumbi combined.

Why would the PE crew find that to be a bad things?  Assuming that Cher will be smart in the 31st Century.  I'm glad Fry did get rid of the worms, but I was surprised that PE crew would try and get rid of the worms since it was making Fry happy at first.
evan

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« Reply #26 on: 10-22-2004 14:09 »

IMO, the PE crew doesn't think much of Fry.  After all, he's just a kid from the Stupid Ages, who time and time again has screwed up the most basic of tasks.  I think the PE crew is looking out for him, because, in their minds, he can't look after himself.
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« Reply #27 on: 10-22-2004 19:10 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I just saw Parasites Lost and Hermes, Professor, Amy, Zoidberg, and Bender all wanted to get rid of the worms.  But they never gave no good reason as to why Fry should lose the worms. All they  said was the worms were making him smarter, stronger and have a better chance with Leela. 

Hermes: My God soon he been smarter than Cher.

Hermes: He'll be as smart and flexible as Hercules and Gumbi combined.

Why would the PE crew find that to be a bad things?  Assuming that Cher will be smart in the 31st Century.  I'm glad Fry did get rid of the worms, but I was surprised that PE crew would try and get rid of the worms since it was making Fry happy at first.

Maybe because they realized much like Fry did that he would have been a completley different person. I think the only one who really wanted Fry to change permenantly was Leela which I thought was very selfish.
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« Reply #28 on: 10-22-2004 21:57 »

They ARE a family though aren't they? and aren't we all that way to our family members at some stage or another?... i know that i call my brother names and make fun of him but i love him anyway..

I can't watch the end of that episode without a tear trickling from the corner of my eye...
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« Reply #29 on: 10-22-2004 22:41 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
 I beg to differ. Amy is a very nice person. She fell in love with Kif, a nice guy who's not attractive or rich.

So basically you're saying if two people fall in love, that automatically makes them nice people? What if a prostitute and a pimp fall in love? Or if two convicts fall in love? Are they suddenly nice people? Are the crimes they committed forgettable suddenly now?

As far as Amy being in love with Kif, sure it happened, but she had to have used at least a hundred guys for her needs before that happened. What she wanted was sex, plain and simple. And I bet if she were to break up with Kif, the cycle would start up again. Probably even more so because she would be depressed after the breakup and not know what else to do because screw her brains out.

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« Reply #30 on: 10-22-2004 22:52 »

She just likes Kif because he puts up with her shallowness, and is looking for more than just sex. Watch 300 Big Boys, Amy treats Kif like garbage.
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #31 on: 10-23-2004 11:35 »

 
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Originally posted by Miles Prower:
It's a shame Kif wasn't seen, Zap was =/

Word. I also missed Nibbler and Leela's parents.
Dr.Jerkbird

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« Reply #32 on: 10-23-2004 14:16 »

Amy is just like that i guess. my ex was, always looking for money. [Mutters]Money Grabbing Bitch [/mutters] Anywho it was a shame Kif was not there, maybe he had to look after the Nimbus!
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« Reply #33 on: 10-23-2004 18:14 »

I was expecting at the end of the episode, Fry would finish the opera, and then Fry and Leela would kiss, and then everyone would come back in and cheer for them!  That would've been a good ending.  Instead of some lame unknown ending. 

Either way, Futurama never should've had a series finale at all!
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« Reply #34 on: 10-23-2004 23:25 »

The writers wanted an open ending so if Futurama ever came back, they'd be able to come up with new ideas easily. If Fry and Leela actually got together, then they'd have to continue the relationship, or all the fans would hate the writers. (At least the ones who support the Fry-Leela love story.) By going with that ending, if there was ever a new episode, they could say Leela broke up with Fry, or make something up that when Fry finished, Robot Devil came back and took Leela or Fry.
So that's why they went with that ending. It's open, but it shows us that Fry and Leela basically got together.
And who the hell is Beezelebot? Is it another name for the Robot Devil or what?
Zoidberg227

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« Reply #35 on: 10-24-2004 05:55 »

Yeah, Beelzebot = Robot Devil (play on the name Beelzebub, another name for the devil). 

On the way the series ended, I really like it.  It leaves it totally open for a return of the series, but still gives closure, especially for us shippers.  Though they may have a little trouble with the fact that his friends did totally abandon him - should they bring it up in the new season, or ignore that it happened?
Prof. Wernstrum

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« Reply #36 on: 10-24-2004 07:01 »

Technically, Beelzebub was Satan's second in command in Paradise Lost, not the Devil himself.
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« Reply #37 on: 10-24-2004 13:14 »

Nah, they shouldn't bring it up.
Another question: What's a shipper?
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« Reply #38 on: 10-24-2004 13:46 »

^^

People like Zoidberg227, who enjoy the relantionship of characters of Fry/Leela. Well, that's what I think it means.
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« Reply #39 on: 10-24-2004 14:15 »

Absolutely right Squeaky.

 
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Originally posted by Zoidberg227:
On the way the series ended, I really like it.  It leaves it totally open for a return of the series, but still gives closure, especially for us shippers.
I agree, although I wish I could have seen Leela's reaction before it was over. I'm a total shipper  roll eyes

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