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Fry´s Girl

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« on: 07-16-2004 14:46 »

Hi, I was just wondering if anyone else noticed that in "Jurassic Bark", Seymore was pulling on Fry's leg and whining, as if he knew Fry was going to never return from that delivery, but in Space Pilot 3000, the dog isn't there at all?  I just noticed that, and I thought it was odd considering how detail-oriented most eps were.
Anyway, great message boards guys!  big grin
Philp_J_Fry

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« Reply #1 on: 07-16-2004 15:21 »

yeah i noticed it by the way welcome to peel
TheLampIncident

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« Reply #2 on: 07-16-2004 15:25 »

Because they wrote that opening sequence in such a way in the first episode where they could add little bits in between, such as the dog. Skipping minor gestures if you will.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #3 on: 07-16-2004 15:54 »
« Last Edit on: 07-16-2004 15:54 »

Let's face it, Seymour wasn't thought up until the start of the fourth season.  He wasn't in the first episode, because he didn't exist.  He was just a lousy add in by the start of Jurassic Park.  Nibbler in SP3K makes The Why In Fry more meaningful, since Nibbler was part of Fry in the future, from the very beginning, as planned by Matt and David. Jurassic Park, on the other hand, was a cheap shot in making a touching episode. 

If the show had continued, they may have revealed Fry had a goat, or cat or even a lobster that evolved into Zoidberg's species, probably.

It is just like that Simpson episode up for an emmy this year against The Sting.  Marge and Homer met at summer camp, instead of High school from an old episode?  Come on, that is a load of crap.  At least Jurassic Bark is way better than that Simpson episode.
Idan_Aharoni

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« Reply #4 on: 07-17-2004 06:55 »

I dont think Jurrasic Bark was a cheap shot at making an emotional episode, it managed to do it really well.
Ofcourse Seymore was not thought until the fourth season and he was added later, but it wasn't forcefully added to the scenes of "Space pilot 3000". You dont see Fry open his bikes, driving around town until he gets to the crygenics lab, waiting for the elevator to reach its floor and walking down the lab's halls until he reaches the door for the cryo-tubes. There is something called editing. As far as we know it, It could have taken Fry an hour to reach the cryo lab, during which he stopped for a Coffee break, to take a whiz or tie his shoe-laces. Its just not something of interest for the viewer.

The seymore bit doesn't seem to far fetched, just shown now because only now its relevant to the viewer.
Fry´s Girl

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« Reply #5 on: 07-17-2004 13:20 »

It was of interest for the viewer since the dog's existence was an entire episode. They had his old girlfriend Michelle in Space Pilot and in later seasons she shows up after she supposedly froze herself after Fry went missing. Her appearence didn't exactly lend itself to furthering or explaining Fry's destiny. Yet she's there in the limo driving away with another guy. (Although I guess it had been used to delve into Fry's character.) I understand Nibbler's shadow was important for the main storyline since his shadow appears in the cryogenics lab.  It was just something I noticed and wondered if anyone else had noticed.
Idan_Aharoni

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« Reply #6 on: 07-17-2004 14:15 »

Michelle's appearance has nothing to do with the fact that she returned later. I'm almost sure it was not planned when it was made. It's just to show Fry's was... well, loser. A lousy job as a delivery boy, his girlfriend dumping him, he hates his life... In other words - nothing to leave behind as he gets frozen.
Then, we learn that it wasn't 100% true in Jurrasic Bark, which is quite cunning plot-wise.
VoVat

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« Reply #7 on: 07-17-2004 19:20 »

 
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As far as we know it, It could have taken Fry an hour to reach the cryo lab, during which he stopped for a Coffee break, to take a whiz or tie his shoe-laces.

The pizza would have gotten awfully cold in that time, though.
Nixorbo

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« Reply #8 on: 07-17-2004 21:59 »

The perfect pizza for one I. C. Weiner.
darthmonkey32

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« Reply #9 on: 07-19-2004 06:28 »

welcome to peel


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Fry´s Girl

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« Reply #10 on: 07-20-2004 13:08 »

thanks!
Gleno

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« Reply #11 on: 07-21-2004 12:53 »

To understand this "plothole", go and listen to the commentary for Jurrasic Bark....it is explained.... smile

Also go and watch "The Why Of Fry" to understand it even more....(or confuse yourself more, it's all good)

Let me break....let me break you down....for your sake....I will break you down...."[/small]
IOfTheMourning

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« Reply #12 on: 07-22-2004 01:11 »

i think i noticed a plot hole. poitn it out if its been mentioned b4. in space pilot 3000 fry said. hello pizza delivary for I.C. weiner.... Oh crud. he then proceeded to say i thought by this time in my life id be the one making crank calls. did he say that second line in any of the other eps? i dont think he did
DotheBartman

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« Reply #13 on: 07-22-2004 04:19 »

 
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Originally posted by IOfTheMourning:
i think i noticed a plot hole. poitn it out if its been mentioned b4. in space pilot 3000 fry said. hello pizza delivary for I.C. weiner.... Oh crud. he then proceeded to say i thought by this time in my life id be the one making crank calls. did he say that second line in any of the other eps? i dont think he did

This is the only valid plothole mentioned here (unless there's some radical thing in the season four commentaries I haven't heard yet.  Come on, R1 set!).  It doesn't matter in most of the episodes (they simply cut the line, because its unimportant and we only need to see the clips that give us an understanding of what happened in the scene), but in "Why of Fry" there is a goof.  When year 3000 or so Fry and Nibbler are under the table watching 1999 Fry, he never speaks the "I thought by this point...." line and in fact stands there and pauses instead.  And although we see him from the back, the part of his face we see doesn't indicate the more peeved expression he had in the original pilot.   He has a more blank expression instead.  Small in the grand scheme of things, but always something I noticed.

The Seymour thing however is not a plot hole, just something they didn't come up with later, and that was edited into the original Pilot events expertly and amazingly.
passerby

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« Reply #14 on: 08-17-2004 14:50 »

 
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Originally posted by Idan_Aharoni:
Michelle's appearance has nothing to do with the fact that she returned later. I'm almost sure it was not planned when it was made. It's just to show Fry's was... well, loser. A lousy job as a delivery boy, his girlfriend dumping him, he hates his life... In other words - nothing to leave behind as he gets frozen.
Then, we learn that it wasn't 100% true in Jurrasic Bark, which is quite cunning plot-wise.

Actually, we found that out at the end of Luck of the Fryrish. JB only hammered it home. It's a major part of Futurama, too. Fry changed permanently from that moment at the grave.
SeymourLover

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« Reply #15 on: 08-28-2004 21:27 »

Hi gang,

I too don't think that "Jurassic Bark" was a cheap emotional thingie.  Why?  Well, when it's (too) artificial, I simply am not moved.  Some of the movies that moved me are Edward Scissorhands, Somewhere in Time, I forget some others.  Some that didn't move me are City of Angels, Forever Young and I forget for this category too...  Of course, all movies, tv, are artificial in a sense because they're a "design".  Yet, I think that when an episode like Jurassic Bark touches so many people, there's something - a spark - that's there. 
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #16 on: 09-02-2004 15:26 »

I noticed that too!  Maybe it was planned for the fourth season to reveal that Fry had a dog.  Maybe nobody had thought of putting the dog in the first episode because the idea has not been thought of yet.
SeymourLover

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« Reply #17 on: 09-03-2004 09:13 »

I think that the most probable answer is the most evident one.  I agree with you KurtPikachu2001.  When the producers started Futurama, they simply could not have thought of a show in season 4 (or 5) that would flashback to Seymour.  There are other shows that this happens (can't think of any right now though).
Rhodan

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« Reply #18 on: 09-03-2004 12:55 »

Kinda wonders me, how would the plot turned if the creators used the original idea about fossilized mother...
Sivak

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« Reply #19 on: 09-19-2004 19:01 »

Yes, the dog wasn't until later, but I do commend their attempts at continuity for the series.  Pretty good work.
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