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John Pannozzi

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« on: 06-28-2004 16:56 »
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Here are some theories I have about Futurama:

1) The Nibblonians are the Gods of the Futurama universe. They're responsible for Fry's parents not seeing their beloved son in the cryonic tube, and for Fry surviving death many times. They were there during the war, on planet Amazonia, always looking over Fry.

2) The ages of the PE crew after TML'sH:

Fry: 25

Leela: 25

Bender: between 2 and 6

Amy: the same as Kif

Hermes: The same as LaBarbera

Zoidberg: The same as before

The Professor: between 162 and 260
Teral

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« Reply #1 on: 06-28-2004 17:09 »

The Nibblonians are mortal, so they can't be gods. They just have very sophisticated technology, and age old wisdom. "Any suficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" Arthur C Clarke

 
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Amy: the same as Kif

Amy is a university student, Kif a lieutenant and second in command of the DOOP flagship. Let's say he finished top of his class at the academy, and was seen as a rising star. Even under those circumstances Kif would have to be in his late 20's (Earth years). Kif is not a rising star, so he's probably in his early 30's.

Also:

Character ages

nibblerians and time

Nibblonians and "God"
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« Reply #2 on: 06-28-2004 17:10 »
« Last Edit on: 06-28-2004 17:10 »

When were they in Amazonia and during the war?  Is it something you have to look at closely?  But those age theories sound just about right, except for Amy and maybe Bender.  And don't forget Kif's kind ages 20 years as tadpoles.
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« Reply #3 on: 06-28-2004 20:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
The Nibblonians are mortal, so they can't be gods.
But Gods can die.
Lisa: Valhalla is where Gods go when they die.
 
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Originally posted by Teral:
They just have very sophisticated technology, and age old wisdom. "Any suficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" Arthur C Clarke

 Amy is a university student
I'd assume Amy graduated from Mars U a while ago, since the last eps. take place in 3004, 5 years after Fry was unfrozen. Who says Amy (in all post-Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles eps.) can't be around Kif's age?

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« Reply #4 on: 06-28-2004 21:04 »

"But Gods can die.
 Lisa: Valhalla is where Gods go when they die."
Valhalla is the place the Valkeries take the dead from the battlefield. Tho Norsemen mythology blieves that all beings will die. The gods are there to prolong the inevideble.
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« Reply #5 on: 06-28-2004 21:23 »

The real theory is that there was more than one Nibblonian in the cryogenic place when Fry gets frozen.  I'll cite Jurassic Bark as an example, since that shows the eyestalk in the trashcan.  The second nibblonian is obviously an enraged one that wants to stop the universe...  roll eyes 

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« Reply #6 on: 06-29-2004 02:19 »

Evil nibblonians? I'd believe that. Ken slaughters any nibblonian that finds out the truth.
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« Reply #7 on: 06-29-2004 04:32 »
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
Bender: between 2 and 6
Bender's head is then 1055 - 1061 years old (RTEW)
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« Reply #8 on: 06-29-2004 11:43 »

We figured that out a long ass time ago...  Try looking at the links Teral provided, particularly the one on character ages.

And yeah, the rogue nibblonian is totally there in jurassic bark...  wink
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« Reply #9 on: 06-29-2004 12:27 »
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Originally posted by athena1999:
And don't forget Kif's kind ages 20 years as tadpoles.

What she said. according to KGKUAN his species are that time basicaly in the swamp and after they are children, so Kif can be chronologicaly actually around 40-50.
Also, Fry isn´t ONLY son of his parents. 
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« Reply #10 on: 06-29-2004 15:25 »

Unless an Amphibosian (ack, I said "the word", unclean, unclean!) year equals an Earthican month, in which case Amy will get quite the surprise in a few months.  wink
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« Reply #11 on: 06-29-2004 16:53 »

I have birthday and even Teral is saying some pleasing stuff about KGKUAN for me. What a wonderful day!
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« Reply #12 on: 06-29-2004 17:02 »

Heh, I didn't know I was that infamous. I've always liked KGKUAN.

And happy birthday.
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« Reply #13 on: 06-29-2004 17:09 »

Thanx ,
and I  was meaning, you´ve said some IDEA that I liked.
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« Reply #14 on: 06-30-2004 21:48 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
The Nibblonians are mortal, so they can't be gods.
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But Gods can die.
Lisa: Valhalla is where Gods go when they die.

Actually, that line was "Valhalla is where Vikings go when they die."  At least one Norse god (Baldur) did die, however.  "God" is a somewhat ambiguous term, but I don't think the Nibblonians are anywhere close to the general conception of God or gods.  They're long-lived, powerful, and intelligent; but not immortal, omnipotent, and omniscient.
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« Reply #15 on: 07-01-2004 00:10 »

 
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Actually, that line was "Valhalla is where Vikings go when they die."  At least one Norse god (Baldur) did die, however.

Indeed, and Baldur certainly didn't go to Valhalla when he died.  He wasn't the only Norse god to die, either.  Most of the other gods died in the battle of Ragnarock.

Unlike the gods of, say, Greek mythology, the Norse gods weren't immortal.  They could be killed, and the only reason that they didn't age was because they ate Idun's apples of eternal youth.
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« Reply #16 on: 07-01-2004 00:48 »

The greek gods had their ambrosia...  roll eyes
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« Reply #17 on: 07-01-2004 01:07 »

 
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Originally posted by winna:
The greek gods had their ambrosia...   roll eyes

Fair enough, but the difference is that Idun's apples only made the Norse gods immortal in the sense that they didn't die of old age.  They could still be killed.

The Greek gods, by contrast, could not be killed.  That's why Cronus ate his children; he couldn't kill them because they were immortal.  That's also why the gods imprisoned Cronus and the other titans in Tarterus; they couldn't be killed either.
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« Reply #18 on: 07-01-2004 13:17 »
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
Bender: between 2 and 6
Bender's head is then 1055 - 1061 years old (RTEW)

I mean that Bender (both head and body) is between 2 and 6 AFTER going into the Fountain of Agining in TML'sH, thus undoing the curse of the events in ReW.


   
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Originally posted by Rhodan:
Also, Fry isn´t ONLY son of his parents. 

My bad.

 
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Originally posted by athena1999:
When were they in Amazonia and during the war?  Is it something you have to look at closely?
They weren't there according to MG and DXC, I just made up the Nibblonians being in WitH-W and AWitM. That's why they're "theories", not facts.
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« Reply #19 on: 07-01-2004 15:06 »

 
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Originally posted by VoVat:
 Actually, that line was "Valhalla is where Vikings go when they die."  At least one Norse god (Baldur) did die, however.

His brother, Høder (who threw the fatal spear/shot the fatal arrow, aided by Loke), was killed too. Odin conceived a child with a giantess, for the single purpose of avenging Balder.

 
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By John Pannozzi:
I mean that Bender (both head and body) is between 2 and 6 AFTER going into the Fountain of Agining in TML'sH, thus undoing the curse of the events in ReW.

When was this ever stated?
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #20 on: 07-02-2004 09:58 »

 
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 When was this ever stated?

It wasn't stated. It's a theory I came up with. Read the thread's title.
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« Reply #21 on: 07-02-2004 12:47 »
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Then how does it qualify as a "weird scene" if it's just theories made up on the spot?
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« Reply #22 on: 07-02-2004 12:55 »

Hey John, I just came up with a theory I made up on the spot too: you're an idiot. Please, there's no need to put so much consideration into a show that's supposed to make us laugh and maybe think sometimes, but I'm sure the writers didn't intend for anything like the Nibblonians being considered gods, especially if there's already a god nebula out in the vast reaches of space.
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #23 on: 07-09-2004 22:08 »

 
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Originally posted by TheLampIncident:
Hey John, I just came up with a theory I made up on the spot too: you're an idiot. Please, there's no need to put so much consideration into a show that's supposed to make us laugh and maybe think sometimes

Futurama is more than that IMHO.

Anyway, I have a new theory that everyone (hopefully) can agree on: Amy wears contact lens.
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« Reply #24 on: 07-09-2004 23:50 »

 
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Anyway, I have a new theory that everyone (hopefully) can agree on: Amy wears contact lens.
Why do you say that?
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« Reply #25 on: 07-10-2004 07:20 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
Anyway, I have a new theory that everyone (hopefully) can agree on: Amy wears contact lens.

Ethan "Bubble Gum" Tate]Hell no![/EBGT]

Just because she had glasses when she were younger, odesn't mean she use them (or contact lenses) when she's older.

Don't confuse not caring with not knowing!
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« Reply #26 on: 07-10-2004 13:14 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
 Ethan "Bubble Gum" Tate]Hell no![/EBGT]

Just because she had glasses when she were younger, odesn't mean she use them (or contact lenses) when she's older.


I don't understand how someone could be nearsighted as a child, and not near-sighted as a young adult.
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« Reply #27 on: 07-10-2004 13:23 »

well... it is the future.
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« Reply #28 on: 07-10-2004 13:27 »

 
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 I don't understand how someone could be nearsighted as a child, and not near-sighted as a young adult.

Laser eye surgery, or something similar.

I was slated to have glasses when I was a child, damn strong ones too, but my family doctor felt we should wait and see how things turned out a few years later, rather than give me glasses that was sure to screw up my eyes. At my army physical I had 20/20 vision.
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« Reply #29 on: 07-11-2004 21:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
 At my army physical I had 20/20 vision.

You were in the army?


P.S.: I think how Amy stopped becoming nearsighted might make an interesting idea for a flashback in a new episode or a movie.
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« Reply #30 on: 07-12-2004 01:11 »

 
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I think how Amy stopped becoming nearsighted might make an interesting idea for a flashback in a new episode or a movie.

Interesting?  No, that other thing: tedious.
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« Reply #31 on: 07-12-2004 04:24 »

Precisely. Why anyone would care about eyewear that isn't gag-related is very odd to me. And that doesn't sound a like a 'theory' so much as a 'supposition.'

If they could put it in the form of a supposition..
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« Reply #32 on: 07-12-2004 11:21 »

I have no interest about the issuses in the thread. No, I stayed to laugh at Lunchie's supposition joke. Quite clever.
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« Reply #33 on: 07-12-2004 15:38 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
 You were in the army?

Yes, for 19 glorius months.


 
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P.S.: I think how Amy stopped becoming nearsighted might make an interesting idea for a flashback in a new episode or a movie.

Agreeing with David and EL, not really. Usually routine medical procedures aren't funny, unless they go horribly wrong.
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #34 on: 07-12-2004 15:59 »

 
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Yes, for 19 glorius months.
What did you do in the service?

 
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Agreeing with David and EL, not really. Usually routine medical procedures aren't funny, unless they go horribly wrong.
I didn't mean it to be funny, I meant it to show Amy's past and add to the mythmos (sic?) of Futurama.
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« Reply #35 on: 07-12-2004 16:23 »

 
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Yes, for 19 glorius months.
What did you do in the service?

Nothing major. Compulsory service/basic training, followed by 6 months as UN Peacekeeper.

 
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Agreeing with David and EL, not really. Usually routine medical procedures aren't funny, unless they go horribly wrong.
I didn't mean it to be funny, I meant it to show Amy's past and add to the mythmos (sic?) of Futurama.

It would only be a 3 seconds blurp that would end up getting cut for time in favor of more jokes. And it is kinda tedious information, that would leave most viewers going "what?"
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