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John Pannozzi

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« on: 06-28-2004 16:49 »

How did Fry's date with the 21st century woman in L'sLLiS go?

Does MST3K take place in the Futurama universe since Crow and Servo appeared in RB?

Does Superman take place in the Futurama universe since Jor-El appeared in Fs?

How could Fry, Bender, Zapp and Kif not realize Lee Lemon was really Leela?
Fry and Zapp are morons, but I'd think they'd recogonize the love of their lives. I'd think Bender would be able to rconize familar faces, even when in disguise. And Kif seemed pretty smart.

Why did Fry, Leela and Bender feel okay working with Nixon, perhaps their worst enemy ever, in WitH-W?
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« Reply #1 on: 06-28-2004 16:57 »
« Last Edit on: 06-28-2004 16:57 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
How did Fry's date with the 21st century woman in L'sLLiS go?

Considering he gave Bender money to go see a saucy puppet show, I'd say pretty damn well.

 
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Does MST3K take place in the Futurama universe since Crow and Servo appeared in RB?

It's probably just a couple of MST3K fans dressing up as ... those two guys. I mean if people dress up for LOTR and Star Wars...

 
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Does Superman take place in the Futurama universe since Jor-El appeared in Fs?

It's just a name, it doesn't have to be the same guy. In fact it's highly likely it's not the same guy.

 
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How could Fry, Bender, Zapp and Kif not realize Lee Lemon was really Leela?
Fry and Zapp are morons, but I'd think they'd recogonize the love of their lives. I'd think Bender would be able to rconize familar faces, even when in disguise. And Kif seemed pretty smart.

Same reason people can't hear what other people say if they stick their heads together (A Flight To Remember): cartoon logic.

 
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Why did Fry, Leela and Bender feel okay working with Nixon, perhaps their worst enemy ever, in WitH-W?

They're soldiers in the Earthican army, their feelings regarding their supreme commander is irrelevant. And they were not working with Nixon, they were serving under him (no not in the dirty sense   wink).
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #2 on: 06-28-2004 21:30 »

 
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  those two guys. 

[Turanga Leela] They're not guys, they're robots [/Turanga Leela]
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« Reply #3 on: 06-29-2004 01:55 »
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It's probably just a couple of MST3K fans dressing up as ... those two guys. I mean if people dress up for LOTR and Star Wars...

I'd think it more likely that the were functioning robots built by fans of the show (or a marketing campaign perhaps?  That would explain why they frowned upon talking in the theater).  You see people building their own puppet versions these days, I think the next logical step would be functioning robots.

As for everything else... what Teral said... but louder and sadder.
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« Reply #4 on: 06-29-2004 02:15 »

Wasn't the 21st Century woman at Frys Funeral in The Sting? If it is her i think that answers it.
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« Reply #5 on: 06-29-2004 04:01 »

Yes, she was. Along with Morgan Proctor, Michelle and that "Radiator Woman from the radiator planet."
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« Reply #6 on: 06-29-2004 04:25 »

But Fry's funeral was just part of Leela's coma. So no, that doesn't answewr it.
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« Reply #7 on: 06-29-2004 04:27 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
How could Fry, Bender, Zapp and Kif not realize Lee Lemon was really Leela?
Fry and Zapp are morons, but I'd think they'd recogonize the love of their lives. I'd think Bender would be able to rconize familar faces, even when in disguise. And Kif seemed pretty smart.

Here's a similar question. How could the Turunga's not recognize Leela when she was at the museum in her superhero costume? I mean, 1 eye, purple hair, and that wonderful little thing called 'voice recognition' they should have realized it was her right away. In WITH-W She hid her eye and disguised her voice, but she didn't do either when she was in her superhero costume.
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« Reply #8 on: 06-29-2004 04:30 »

Why can't anyone recognise Superman when he puts on his glasses?  wink
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« Reply #9 on: 06-29-2004 11:56 »

 
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
Why can't anyone recognise Superman when he puts on his glasses?   wink

duh, because theyre all fucking retards.

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« Reply #10 on: 06-30-2004 12:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
 Here's a similar question. How could the Turunga's not recognize Leela when she was at the museum in her superhero costume? I mean, 1 eye, purple hair, and that wonderful little thing called 'voice recognition' they should have realized it was her right away.

The whole episode is a pun on superhero comics/cartoons....things like that are commonplace....like the music and the songs in the ep and the evil villian and his cronies....yeah but I know you're just nitpicking.... tongue


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« Reply #11 on: 07-01-2004 04:37 »

It's amazing how little people notice when they aren't concentrating. Bender and Kif weren't expecting to see Leela in the army, so they didn't register it. Also what Teral said.
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« Reply #12 on: 07-01-2004 12:38 »

It's also possible that Kif and Bender knew but were just sort of going along with the whole thing.
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #13 on: 07-01-2004 13:07 »
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
 duh, because theyre all f**king retards.


Please try to keep the content at a PG-13 level on threads started by me.


 
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Originally posted by Venus:
 Here's a similar question. How could the Turunga's not recognize Leela when she was at the museum in her superhero costume? I mean, 1 eye, purple hair, and that wonderful little thing called 'voice recognition' they should have realized it was her right away.

Maybe Morris and Munda had been drinking a little too much.

 
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Originally posted by Unknown:
It's also possible that Kif and Bender knew but were just sort of going along with the whole thing.

Interesting theory, Unknown.

Also, here are more comments:

Who in the sam hill were those guys in radioation suits in the Old New York levels of Futurama: The Game?

Why were Leela's comments in Futurma: The Game so insipid and inane?
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« Reply #14 on: 07-01-2004 14:51 »

 
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Please try to keep the content at a PG-13 level on threads started by me.

Although you started it, you don't really have any ownership over this thread, and thus can't set standards for what's approprate or not. Only mods or admins can.

 
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Maybe Morris and Munda had been drinking a little too much.

Before going to the surface for the first time in zombie jesus knows how long and meeting their daughter for their first real day out as a family? Something they've eagerly anticipated for weeks. Somehow I don't see Munda and Morris being that indifferent.


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John Pannozzi

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« Reply #15 on: 07-02-2004 10:20 »

More comments:

Big error, in I2ndTE, Munda has human arms instead of tentacles like in all future episodes.

Does Futurama take place in the same universe as Star Wars since Jar-Jar's head appeared in T'L?

Why did Leela wear that incredibily reavling swimsuit in JB? It goes against all her principles.

That the Professor hates hippies, yet in TML'sH it turns out he _was_ a hippie.

That both Amy's parents as well as Leela's parents were forgotten by the staff halfway through 4ACV? (Leo, Inez, Morris and Munda last appeared in 4ACV09, the last episode was 4ACV18)

That Leela doesn't take her beloved pet Nibbler with her when she goes to live with her parents in TML'sH?

That Leela is upset that Morris gives her Tequila when she's underage, yet she wants Fry to bring back beer.

That the supporting and secondary characters that made Futurama great did barely anything in the final episode? I mean, Bender did very little despite being the breakout star of the whole series, and poor Amy, Prof. Farnsworth and Hermes all had only a few lines and they were some of the main characters. Kif, Morris, Munda and Nibbler didn't appear at all.
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« Reply #16 on: 07-02-2004 10:36 »
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Big error, in I2ndTE, Munda has human arms instead of tentacles like in all future episodes.

True.

 
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Does Futurama take place in the same universe as Star Wars since Jar-Jar's head appeared in T'L?

No, I'm going to say it was a throwaway joke.

 
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Why did Leela wear that incredibily reavling swimsuit in JB? It goes against all her principles.

Hell, she stripped naked on Freedom Day.  Her tank-top is always a little revealing.  What principles are we talking about?  The only thing she's against is Amy getting all the guys by dressing like a tramp.

 
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That the Professor hates hippies, yet in TML'sH it turns out he _was_ a hippie.

And now that he's older, that's probably why he hates them.  It may not be a past that he's proud of.

 
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That both Amy's parents as well as Leela's parents were forgotten by the staff halfway through 4ACV? (Leo, Inez, Morris and Munda last appeared in 4ACV09, the last episode was 4ACV18)

So...every character has to be in every episode?

 
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That Leela doesn't take her beloved pet Nibbler with her when she goes to live with her parents in TML'sH?

Firstly, that's not confirmed.  You just don't see him.  Or, it could be that having Nibbler would be part of being an "adult".  She wanted the full childhood experience, and would probably demand she have to ask for a pet first.  But still, then where would Nibbler stay untill then? 

 
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That Leela is upset that Morris gives her Tequila when she's underage, yet she wants Fry to bring back beer.

Dad giving her liquor:  not an authentic teenage experience

Fry sneaking her beer:  Realistic teenage experience

It has nothing to do with the alcohol itself.

 
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That the supporting and secondary characters that made Futurama great did barely anything in the final episode? I mean, Bender did very little despite being the breakout star of the whole series, and poor Amy, Prof. Farnsworth and Hermes all had only a few lines and they were some of the main characters. Kif, Morris, Munda and Nibbler didn't appear at all.

See earlier comments.  I don't think the last episode would be good if they just tried to cram eveyone in there.  Bender?  The breakout star?  I disagree.

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John Pannozzi

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« Reply #17 on: 07-02-2004 11:14 »

 
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So...every character has to be in every episode?

No, they don't. It's just that I thought Leela's parents would become important characters in the series, being Leela's parents and all.

 
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I don't think the last episode would be good if they just tried to cram eveyone in there.
But, then we don't what the final fate of certain characters are. Plus, one thing that bugged me abou the whole series is that Amy was never really anything more than a supporting character, when she had the potential to be a great character. I suppose if the series went on longer, Amy would become a deeper character with lots of episodes about her. I mean, it was a while before Milhouse, Skinner, Edna, Apu, Ralph, etc. on the Simpsons got episodes revolving around them. Too bad Amy didn't get a chance to prove her worth as a character.
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« Reply #18 on: 07-02-2004 12:43 »
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
More comments:

Big error, in I2ndTE, Munda has human arms instead of tentacles like in all future episodes.

Either the result of continued mutations, or she slipped on a skinarm every now and then to appear less freaky (official explanation).

 
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Why did Leela wear that incredibily reavling swimsuit in JB? It goes against all her principles.

It wasn't a swimsuit, it was a wrestling leotard. And as JBERGES allured to Leela isn't exactly a prude, she dress quite revealing from time to time (Clobberella for one), but always classy.

 
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That Leela is upset that Morris gives her Tequila when she's underage, yet she wants Fry to bring back beer.

Maybe she simply doesn't like tequila.

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« Reply #19 on: 07-02-2004 17:30 »

Leela also likes to look up to her parents as infallible role models.  Her father offering her a bottle of tequila with a crazy straw in goes against this somewhat.
See also "Dad, you drink?" in a shocked voice in Less Than Hero.
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« Reply #20 on: 07-02-2004 18:42 »

 
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Big error, in I2ndTE, Munda has human arms instead of tentacles like in all future episodes.

Yeah, and that guy with the arm growing out of his head only had one ear, but in later episodes he has two.

Two possible explanations:
1. Mutants continue to mutate throughout their lives.
2. The animators weren't satisfied with the character designs, and improved upon them in later episodes.

Pick whichever explanation you like.

 
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Does Futurama take place in the same universe as Star Wars since Jar-Jar's head appeared in T'L?

That was just a throwaway gag, but if you need an explanation it could be the result of genetic engineering by a Star Wars fan.  Something similar could explain the beholder and the rust monster seen in other episodes.

 
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Why did Leela wear that incredibily reavling swimsuit in JB? It goes against all her principles.

Exactly which of her principles does it go against?

Besides, it's not like she was wearing it in public.  They were inside the Planet Express building.  Who was going to see her?

 
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That the Professor hates hippies, yet in TML'sH it turns out he _was_ a hippie.

The Professor also hates teenagers, yet it turns out he _was_ a teenager.  What's your point?

 
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That both Amy's parents as well as Leela's parents were forgotten by the staff halfway through 4ACV? (Leo, Inez, Morris and Munda last appeared in 4ACV09, the last episode was 4ACV18)

Amy's parents?  In most episodes, Amy barely gets any screentime herself.  Why would you expect to see her parents?

Leela's parents featured prominently in three episodes.  That's plenty.

I'm sure that if Futurama hadn't been cancelled, we would have seen more of their parents in later seasons.

 
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That Leela doesn't take her beloved pet Nibbler with her when she goes to live with her parents in TML'sH?

She probably thought that Nibbler would be happier staying on the surface.

 
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That Leela is upset that Morris gives her Tequila when she's underage, yet she wants Fry to bring back beer.

What JBERGES said.  Also, what Teral said.

 
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That the supporting and secondary characters that made Futurama great did barely anything in the final episode? I mean, Bender did very little despite being the breakout star of the whole series, and poor Amy, Prof. Farnsworth and Hermes all had only a few lines and they were some of the main characters. Kif, Morris, Munda and Nibbler didn't appear at all.

1. Bender is neither a supporting character nor a secondary character.  He's as much of a main character as Leela is.

2. Bender did plenty in the final episode.  He went to Fry's recital.  He took Fry to see the robot devil.  He deafened Leela.  He taught us about irony.  What more do you want?

3. In what way is Bender the "breakout star" of the series?  He was intended to be one of the three main characters from the very beginning.

4. When "Devil's Hands" was made, it was uncertain if Futurama would be renewed or not.  They wanted it to be an episode that had enough closure to be the final episode, but at the same time, they didn't want it to be so final that the series couldn't be continued.

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« Reply #21 on: 07-03-2004 00:53 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Two possible explanations:
1. Mutants continue to mutate throughout their lives.
2. The animators weren't satisfied with the character designs, and improved upon them in later episodes.

Pick whichever explanation you like.
Obviously not option 1, as the Flashback in 'Leela's Homeworld' she clearly has tentacles. Although she does seem to grow a tail out of nowhere...
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« Reply #22 on: 07-03-2004 04:59 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
That Leela doesn't take her beloved pet Nibbler with her when she goes to live with her parents in TML'sH?

Like JBERGES said just cause we don't see him doesn't mean he wasn't there. You never see Munda's cat but i'm assuming s/he is still around.
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« Reply #23 on: 07-03-2004 08:04 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Two possible explanations:
1. Mutants continue to mutate throughout their lives.
2. The animators weren't satisfied with the character designs, and improved upon them in later episodes.

Pick whichever explanation you like.
Obviously not option 1, as the Flashback in 'Leela's Homeworld' she clearly has tentacles. Although she does seem to grow a tail out of nowhere...

It is possbile that she went circular tentacle -> arm -> tentacle. It would be a weird mutation process but we've seen worse among the mutants.
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« Reply #24 on: 07-03-2004 16:18 »

i don't think mutants keep mutating throughout their lives cause if they did they wouldn't have been able to tell that Leela was the least mutated mutant ever cause there would always be the chance that she could mutate further later on. Which would have made abandoning her on the surface a big gamble cause if she did mutate she would have been exiled which would have meant her childhood was a lonely hell for no reason.
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« Reply #25 on: 07-03-2004 22:59 »

I don't think that mutants continue to mutate either.  I'm pretty sure that the second explanation that I suggested is correct.  However, some people prefer to have an explanation within the context of the show, and the first explanation was my attempt to provide one.  It wasn't even my idea; It's just something that I've heard other people say to explain it.
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« Reply #26 on: 07-04-2004 07:16 »

Audio commentary from "Leela's Homeworld" (spoilerfied for region 1 dwellers):

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« Reply #27 on: 07-04-2004 07:49 »

Or maybe they only mutated in the sewers, which could be another reason why they wanted Leela to live on the surface so she could continue to be the least mutated mutant.
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« Reply #28 on: 07-04-2004 15:17 »

 
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Of course they are.  It gives them an in context explanation of something that's actually caused by the animators changing the character designs.

Also, they are trying to be funny in the commentaries.  Which sounds funnier, "Well, he hadn't mutated a mouth until this episode." or "Well, the animators hadn't started drawing him with a mouth until this episode."?  Try not to take anything said in the commentaries too seriously.
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« Reply #29 on: 07-04-2004 16:04 »

 
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 Of course they are.  It gives them an in context explanation of something that's actually caused by the animators changing the character designs.

Actually it was caused by the writers making Leela the least mutated mutant ever. They needed something to set her aside from her parents, who in ISTE had the exact same mutation as her.

 
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Also, they are trying to be funny in the commentaries.  Which sounds funnier, "Well, he hadn't mutated a mouth until this episode." or "Well, the animators hadn't started drawing him with a mouth until this episode."?  Try not to take anything said in the commentaries too seriously.

I'm well aware of that. Try not to take everything I say in "Re-Check/weird scenes" too seriously.  tongue
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« Reply #30 on: 07-04-2004 17:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
Actually it was caused by the writers making Leela the least mutated mutant ever. They needed something to set her aside from her parents, who in ISTE had the exact same mutation as her.

That explains Leela's parents, but not the guy with three arms getting an extra ear, or the leg mutant getting a mouth.  I was generalizing.

 
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I'm well aware of that. Try not to take everything I say in "Re-Check/weird scenes" too seriously.

I know that you're aware of it, but you aren't the one asking all the questions about minutiae.

And don't worry, I never take anything that anyone says on PEEL seriously.
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« Reply #31 on: 07-09-2004 19:46 »

 
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The Professor also hates teenagers, yet it turns out he _was_ a teenager. What's your point?
There's a difference between being a hippie and being a teenager. You CHOOSE to be a hippie.

Anyway, I think the mutants' changing appearances are just animation flubs, like when Bugs Bunny was originally created, he had black pads on his feet and altered between having 3 pads per foot ior 2 pads per foot. Then in the late '40s/early '50s he had gray pads. Also, in the Simpsons, Milhouse's hair altered between being black and blue, Moe's hair altered between being black and gray, Barney's hair altered between being yellow and brown, and Sideshow Bob's hair was blue in L's1stW instead of its' usual red.
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« Reply #32 on: 07-10-2004 00:49 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
That explains Leela's parents, but not the guy with three arms getting an extra ear, or the leg mutant getting a mouth.
I'm aware you're sort of joking around in this as you've mentioned, but the Leg Mutant also had a mouth in the flashback.

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« Reply #33 on: 07-12-2004 15:05 »

The other day I went to the Museum of Television and Radio in (O)NYC and looked up a panel discusion-thingy with the Futurama cast and crew. Matt Groening (who looked kinda fat) said that in 2ACV01 Munda put artifical arms over her tentacles. I'm going with that theory since Matt Groening created Leela, he came up with the idea for Leela all by himself waaaay before David Cohen was involved. Also, his early design for Leela seems to closer to the Leela we all know and love than Dale Henrickson, Mili Smythe and Bill Morrison's designs which made her more alien and exotic and less human.
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« Reply #34 on: 07-19-2004 21:37 »

 
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
 duh, because theyre all fucking retards.


  laff LOL

Anyway, from http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/nitpick.cgi?np=24986

I remember around 26 years ago or thereabouts when they finally published an explanation for that. In the story, there was a villian who used mass hypnosis. Superman found a way to nullify hypnosis to keep the people of Metropolis safe, but in the process he discovered the reason why people couldn't see through his disguise: he unconsciously created an illusion of a weak, frail Clark who appeared to be bigger and broader from the back. When he looked at people through his Clark Kent glasses, the illusion came on. When he nullified the effects of hypnosis, people started asking him what he was up to, trying to dress like Clark Kent. And, of course, for those who ask how this could work with photos and television, the answer is simple: SUPER hypnosis!
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #35 on: 07-29-2004 15:31 »

In L'sHW, Munda says "Turanga Leela!", and Leela response is "How do you know my REAL name?" Since when did Leela have a FAKE name?

More an observation than a flub, but Leela and Amy seemed really close in SF. Maybe they've finally buried the hatchet and are good friends now?

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« Reply #36 on: 07-29-2004 15:38 »

she never had a fake name, but since she always went by Leela, very few people knew that Turanga was her first name.
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« Reply #37 on: 07-29-2004 15:53 »

Exactly, unless they were NNY Mets fans or liked watching Datenight.
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« Reply #38 on: 08-06-2004 12:51 »

 
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she never had a fake name, but since she always went by Leela, very few people knew that Turanga was her first name.

Then she should have said "How do you know my FULL name?"
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« Reply #39 on: 08-06-2004 13:03 »

No, "real" makes perfect sense. She goes by Leela, her last name, and everyone thinks that is her real first name. That's why she said "How do you know my real (first) name?"
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