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SpaceCase

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« on: 05-11-2004 11:55 »
« Last Edit on: 08-24-2008 20:36 »

Hello All,
    I did a search for this but didn't find anything, so pardon me if it's already been discussed.
    Here Goes:
    In TDTESS we see the Brain Spawn and they are essentially disembodied brains. Period. No arms, no legs, no hands. They have no means of using tools or manipulating objects.
    Correct? Or did I miss something?
    Now here's my point:
    If the Brain Spawn have no means of using tool, who built the Infosphere?
    Note: While I'm not loosing sleep over this, I am mildly curious, and I should like to hear your thoughts.
    That's all out'ta me for now...  wink
Unknown

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« Reply #1 on: 05-11-2004 12:17 »

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!  No actually, I guess they have telekinetic powers or something of that sort?  Or if you want a cop-out answer, wizards.
germanfryfan

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« Reply #2 on: 05-11-2004 12:22 »
« Last Edit on: 05-11-2004 12:22 »

Edit: I should really speed up my typing skills, unknown was  faster! And no, not the wizards again!

Good observation.
There is also the question how the main brain could read books in TDTESS, I mean how he could flip the pages without hands.
I think as powerfull brains they could use telekinesis. So they can move things by the strenght of their thinking.
This might be a solution for this problem.
dimension_8

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« Reply #3 on: 05-11-2004 12:36 »

In TWOF the massive brain is seen manipulating the keyboard of the database with his telekenitic hand while Fry is strapped up ready to travel to the past.
Teral

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« Reply #4 on: 05-11-2004 12:39 »
« Last Edit on: 05-11-2004 12:39 »

gff is on to the right ide, IMO, in "The Day The Earth Stood Stupid" the Big Brain use his mental energies/telekinesis/Psionic kajigger to pick up the books it tried to trap Fry and Leela in.
Rhodan

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« Reply #5 on: 05-11-2004 13:02 »

I have absolutely different question - where is "Big brain" (I mean the TDTESS one) in TWOF? there is just one with similiar voice.
Zeep

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« Reply #6 on: 05-11-2004 14:25 »

it died.

since it was trapped in fry's book, it went insane and killed itself. (of course, now i'm just spewing out anything i can think of. oh well)
Action Jacktion

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« Reply #7 on: 05-11-2004 14:52 »

The Big Brain was in "The Why of Fry," it just didn't look much bigger than the other brains for some reason.  You can recognize it by its voice.
Bushmeister

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« Reply #8 on: 05-11-2004 15:48 »

Telekinisis on a large scale is something that you can expect from powerful beings that are just brains. I think in TDTESS you saw in the library the pages turning in the book the brain was reading as the book was engulfed in some kind of ray coming from it.
Nixorbo

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« Reply #9 on: 05-11-2004 18:50 »

You might as well just ask why they speak English and how exactly they can speak without vocal cords.
TheLampIncident

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« Reply #10 on: 05-11-2004 19:14 »

They probably just transmit thoughts directly into your head just in case anyone is going to ask that question without sarcasm.
Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #11 on: 05-11-2004 20:29 »
« Last Edit on: 05-16-2004 00:00 »

Maybe the fourced peopel to do it useing brain power
Alliteration

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« Reply #12 on: 05-11-2004 21:33 »

Say what?
fussili
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« Reply #13 on: 05-11-2004 22:26 »

One thing about the big brain's re-appearance in The Why of Fry that's interesting is that he acts as if he's never met fry:

"we are in the presence of the fabled one"

Then again it does set up a fantastic joke where he says:

"detecting trace amounts of mental activity. Perhaps a dead weasel or a cartoon viewer".

To which the Futurama Fan cartoon viewers are obliged to reply "No I'm, doesn't"  wink
Teral

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« Reply #14 on: 05-12-2004 13:47 »

Maybe Fry wrote into the story that the Big Brain forget ever coming to Earth.
Allen

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« Reply #15 on: 05-12-2004 14:02 »

Actually, I heard it as he did know. Exactly how would Fry be the "fabeled one" without spreading it around? As Fry never gave his name and the Nibblonians never say it, how else would he be addressed?
SpaceCase

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« Reply #16 on: 05-12-2004 14:44 »

So the Brains either:
1) Use some kind of mind control power to get another species to build the infosphere, or;
2) Use telekinesis (or however you spell it)

Well, the Brains primary power is their stupification ray - Not mind control. So if they built the infosphere themselves, they would've had to use an ability we never saw in the series.

As for telekinesis (I can't flamin' spell!), we've seen the Big Brain manipulate the pages of a book, but we don't know if all Brain Spawn can do that or just him. And turning the pages of a book telekineticly telekineticaly telekinetically mentally (*sigh*) is vastly different from using a screwdriver, tweezers, or soldering iron.

Please don't misunderstand: It is not my intention to flame anyone's ideas - I truly appreciate the discussion! I'm trying to explain where the damn infosphere came from by clues in the show.

So, did I miss something? are there any hints that the Brains have mind control, or telikinesis telekinesis telekenisis ([EXPLETIVES DELETED]) - aw, c'mon, you know what I mean!- highly developed enough to manipulate tools well enough to build the flamin' thing?

Note to self: Learn to flamin' SPELL!
Ranadok

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« Reply #17 on: 05-12-2004 15:00 »

 
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Originally posted by SpaceCase:

As for telekinesis (I can't flamin' spell!), we've seen the Big Brain manipulate the pages of a book, but we don't know if all Brain Spawn can do that or just him. And turning the pages of a book telekineticly telekineticaly telekinetically mentally (*sigh*) is vastly different from using a screwdriver, tweezers, or soldering iron.

I would think that it is much harder to turn pages in a book then it is to operate a simple tool. I don't see why we can't assume that the brains are able to use telekinesis  to manipulate whatever they want. There is more evidence for it than there is against it. But, if you want to avoid the whole telekinesis thing, I suppose they could have hired someone to build it... or bought it on eBay. They didn't seem to care who bought what.  big grin
SpaceCase

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« Reply #18 on: 05-16-2004 08:52 »

Okay, telekinesis (oh, here we go again  roll eyes ) is the front-running idea. For sake of discussion, suppose the Brains have telek telik ([EXPLETIVES DELETED])
Okay-that tears it! I'm abbreviating the damn thing "TK."
*Ahem*
Let's suppose the Brains have TK. How, for example does one use TK to refine ores into metal alloys? How oes one use TK to build the hardware in the infosphere?
*Toing*
Homer Simpson has a word for this!
A third alternative just this moment occurs to me:
Suppose the Brains stole tools and technology from some earlier civilization they destroyed? They then would have been able to manipulate said tools to develop technology for their own ends.

Is this reasonable, or are there faults in my reasoning- er, well, I know there are faults in my reasoning, but are there any faults in my arguementwink
Ranadok

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« Reply #19 on: 05-16-2004 17:27 »

 
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Originally posted by SpaceCase:
Let's suppose the Brains have TK. How, for example does one use TK to refine ores into metal alloys? How oes one use TK to build the hardware in the infosphere?

How does one their use hands to refine ores into metal alloys? How does one use their hands to build the hardware into the infosphere?

I think that the brains can accomplish through teeleekeeneesees anything that can be done with a normal body. We even saw the telekinesis (that one is spelled correctly, I'm pretty sure) effect take the form of a hand in one instance.
gottalovebender

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« Reply #20 on: 05-16-2004 21:39 »

i'm gonna try to answer all the questions in this thread,
BUILDING THE INFOSPHERE: they probably used telekinesis to move around scrap peices of metel or something else they find in space or from another civilisation, and then weld it together, it didn't seem like that much a scientific thing concidering in The Why of Fry there was the infosphere and covering the entire inside was the chief brain.
WHERE DID THE BIG BRAIN GO FROM TDTESS AND TWOF: there were different brains, cause in TDTESS the brain looked the same size as all the other brians, but in TWOF it like took up the whole info sphere, it is just probably the fact that leaders have controling voices that they sounded alike, plus if the TDTESS brain was small, it was just the leader of the earth conquering mission under the crontrol of the one in TWOF, which answers
WHY DIDN'T TWOF BRIAN KNOW FRY: because he only heard of him from the littler brains, and only the TDTESS big brain the brains under it's control met him and saw him, so to TWOF brain, he was new
i think i answered all the questions, so there

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Allen

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« Reply #21 on: 05-16-2004 23:09 »

I still maintain that they knew Fry. He was the fabeled one. Plus they knew about December 31st, 1999. How they managed to record it without anyone seeing them is beyond them.
Hedonism Bot

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« Reply #22 on: 05-17-2004 04:45 »

You don't need to know somebody if they are fabled - the Prophecy of Fry was probably passed down from brain to brain. Plus, the brains have spent years collecting information from all around the universe, and that presumably includes everybody's life stories.
Steel Sima Yi

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« Reply #23 on: 05-17-2004 09:21 »

I think it's funny that no one has mentioned that the brains all have to levitate to get themselves around. So maybe either in the few seconds the universe existed before they popped in they developed their telekinesis or they just always had it (like the Nibblonians have always been cute... :P).

I can only just imagine a planet full of brains, just laying around, waiting for it...
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