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Klumsy Kitty

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« on: 05-06-2004 00:12 »

Sorry if this has been brought up before but I am still pretty new here. I started watching season 1 again and I realized that when Fry went into the Cryo tube it was just at the stroke of midnight, or almost. Yet, in the rest of the episode he has most of the day to kill before they get to New Year's Eve. So what caused the discrepancy? All those leap years???

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« Reply #1 on: 05-06-2004 00:19 »

They may have re-set the machine to unthaw him a few hours earlier. Nobody wants to spend the turn of the millenium probulating a guy from the 20th century. Hell, Leela seemed to be in a rush herself.

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« Reply #2 on: 05-06-2004 00:29 »

Either what Beamer said, or perhaps the clock on the cryo tube isn't perfectly accurate. Losing less than a day in 1000 years of operation is probably considered to be an acceptable margin of error. 

I also heard somewhere that due to calendar descrepancies/errors, 1000 years  from midnight 2000 would be slightly before midnight 3000, but I can't say whether this is true or not, I'm just putting it out there for the sake of completeness.
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« Reply #3 on: 05-06-2004 00:37 »

Well, I read this theory that as the years pass, the Earth spins slower and slower, back 100 Million years ago, there were 22 hours in a day, now there are 24, and also that would explain the spoof on 7/11 that's open 28 hours a day since in the future the Earth would spin slower allowing 4 extra hours in the day so the clock would have been set to the time of the 20th/21st century but over a thousand years, there became more hours which would have allowed Fry to be unfrozen in the day time of Dec 31st 2999 instead of the stroke of midnight in the year 3000.
Faris,
David A

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« Reply #4 on: 05-06-2004 01:32 »

Faris, you're talking about a process that happens over hundreds of millions of years.  A thousand years is little more than an eyeblink on such a scale.  The length of the day wasn't noticably shorter 1000 years ago, and it won't be noticably longer 1000 years from now.

Now it is true that, after being frozen for 1000 years, Fry might thaw out at a different time of day than he was frozen, due to the fact that a year is not exactly equal to 365 days.

However, I think that the most likely explanation is that the tubes are reset to thaw out only during business hours.  There's really no reason to have fate assignment officers working 24 hours a day.
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« Reply #5 on: 05-06-2004 02:08 »

Well, I've always liked to discuss this but never had the chance until now. A year is approximately 365.2422 days. However, the Gregorian calendar, the standard every 4 years you add a day and skip 3 leap years every 400 years, only calculates the accuracy to 365.2425. Because of it, in a thousand years the difference would be about 3 days. Plus, the only device accurate enough to measure 1000 years correctly is the cesium clock, which I doubt the cryogenics team had. Coupled with Faris's idea, which is by in large accurate, and a little statistical analysis, the thawing process took place with 1.368954628 x 10^-4 % accuracy, I think it's safe to bet that the machines pretty much work as intended.
Unknown

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« Reply #6 on: 05-06-2004 12:25 »

Actually, over 1000 years, the difference between the Gregorian calendar and the cesium clock would add up to around 7 hours.
Ekarderif

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« Reply #7 on: 05-06-2004 12:51 »

Unknown, it appears you are right. I, for some strange reason, decided to multiply that 0.0003 by 10,000 instead of the listed 1,000. 0.3 days translates to 7.2 hours... Stop correcting me!
David A

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« Reply #8 on: 05-06-2004 14:58 »

 
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Actually, over 1000 years, the difference between the Gregorian calendar and the cesium clock would add up to around 7 hours.

Well, there you go.  That should account for it.  Seven hours would give Fry plenty of time to get probulated, meet Bender, run from Leela, and find Professor Farnsworth.

I still think that the cryogenics workers would adjust the timers so that people would only thaw out during the day, when the staff was working.  A few hours wouldn't make much difference to someone who was frozen for centuries; and it would be much more efficient.  Of course, with a few other changes, it should be possible for all the work at the cryogenics facility to be done by a single Australian man.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #9 on: 05-06-2004 16:04 »

I'll just have to go with what Ranadok said. I think a small error in the unfreezing mechanism would have easily accounted for the slight time difference.

Either that or Wizards.
Klumsy Kitty

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« Reply #10 on: 05-06-2004 17:38 »

Thanks all,that answered my question. I don't think Fry even noticed either... "Is that blimp accurate?? WOW, a million years!" that so cracks me up!  <IMG SRC="http://peel.gotfuturama.com/ubb/biggrin.gif">
Allen

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« Reply #11 on: 05-07-2004 13:40 »
« Last Edit on: 05-12-2004 00:00 by Nixorbo »

In all reality, if he had woken up at midnight things might not have happened like they did. That and like everyone has said you assume that you gain a few hours or so from a thousand years.
zomit

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« Reply #12 on: 05-12-2004 05:25 »

All I have to say about it is "Magic, got it."
And, I believe with Ekarderif's theory because it's the longets and seems the most complicated. Anything with that many numbers must be true
Alliteration

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« Reply #13 on: 05-12-2004 18:51 »

/Professor/ Yes, that sequence of words he said made perfect sense. /Professor/

The longest explanation is always right.
Ekarderif

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« Reply #14 on: 05-13-2004 10:54 »

 
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All I have to say about it is "Magic, got it."
And, I believe with Ekarderif's theory because it's the longets and seems the most complicated. Anything with that many numbers must be true

Thanks for the backup... I guess. Anyways, Unknown pointed out my first batch of numbers is off by a factor of 10, so he deserves more credit for not being a total moron like me. Sigh, one of these days I have to learn that zero minus two does not equal one.
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« Reply #15 on: 12-29-2005 16:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Klumsy Kitty:
Sorry if this has been brought up before but I am still pretty new here. I started watching season 1 again and I realized that when Fry went into the Cryo tube it was just at the stroke of midnight, or almost. Yet, in the rest of the episode he has most of the day to kill before they get to New Year's Eve. So what caused the discrepancy? All those leap years???


Maybe the futurama crew, yes , it is a cartoon, it doesnt have to be real
Dave B

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« Reply #16 on: 12-29-2005 17:12 »
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 Maybe the futurama crew, yes , it is a cartoon, it doesnt have to be real

[shakes fist] Where's your sense of imagination and wonder!!!-Simpsons quote   tongue
Age Of Aquarius

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« Reply #17 on: 12-29-2005 17:33 »

The Chryogenic Tube probably wasn't set accurtely.
ZoidFryLeelaAmy
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« Reply #18 on: 11-23-2006 16:31 »

Sorry if i'm bumping but I HAVE to post this
My Theory is that because one day is now 28 hours long (remember the 7-11?) There was still 3-4 hours left when fry got unfrozen. The leap years are a good explanation too.
Decapodian

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« Reply #19 on: 11-23-2006 18:48 »

Sorry ZoidFryLeelaAmy but I'll have to agree with David A here. it would take roughly 20 million years to have the day 4 hour long. Of course in Futurama the scientists could have made it spin slower so they could have a longer buisness day. Just like how they increased the speed of light.
futz
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« Reply #20 on: 11-23-2006 22:23 »

The readout for the time setter may be digital but the dial that's used to set the time looks about as accurate as the one on my oven. And weren't Intel chips of the late '90's a bit wobbly converting binary to decimal?
ZoidZoid

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« Reply #21 on: 11-24-2006 01:24 »

or maybe during the thousand years that Fry was frozen there was a catastrophic event that caused the earth to rapidly slow down?
Writer unit32

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« Reply #22 on: 11-24-2006 12:48 »

The Nibblonians set' the tube diffrently for Fry to get unfrozen before Leela went home for New Year.
Decapodian

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« Reply #23 on: 11-24-2006 22:36 »

What did Nibbler mean anyway when he said that Leela must be the 'Other' in The Why of Fry?
Dave B

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« Reply #24 on: 11-25-2006 05:53 »

 
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What did Nibbler mean anyway when he said that Leela must be the 'Other' in The Why of Fry?

To be explained in future episodes...... I hope  big grin
Decapodian

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« Reply #25 on: 11-26-2006 02:43 »

Maybe the future episodes will be about the Brainspawn and Leela will have to help Fry stop them?
futz
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« Reply #26 on: 11-29-2006 12:27 »

Perhaps, Nibbler was only guessing and it was a 1000 years ago. Interesting that the Nibbloians know exactly who Fry is, or will be, but "The Other" is vague. They seem to know what The Other will do and is close to Fry but not exactly who it is.
Dave B

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« Reply #27 on: 11-29-2006 12:37 »
« Last Edit on: 11-29-2006 12:37 »

   
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Perhaps, Nibbler was only guessing and it was a 1000 years ago. Interesting that the Nibbloians know exactly who Fry is, or will be, but "The Other" is vague. They seem to know what The Other will do and is close to Fry but not exactly who it is.

The Nibblonians didn't know exactly who he was, they only knew he was 'the mighty one' who would save the universe at some point thats it... nothing more. Obviously in the year 3000 Nibbler learnt more about him from being in the P E Building
futz
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« Reply #28 on: 11-29-2006 13:41 »

Um, err, ah yes they do know it's Fry. It's in the Cryo lab scene in 1999.

Nibbler: Please. Our saviours foresee that in a thousand years, for one moment, the fate of the universe will depend on you. Since you will not live that long I must freeze you now.

Funny there hasn't been any speculation on who would want to save the Nibblonians or the Universe, perhaps more than once. Everyone seems to think the Nibblonians are running the show.
Writer unit32

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« Reply #29 on: 11-29-2006 14:37 »
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Hey,people!What are the ods of The Mighty One finding The Other?Personally I think the Nibblonians are running the show.After Fry told Nibbler about Leela,Nibbler waited almost a thousand years and when he found Leela he messed with the career chips for Leela to become a fate assighment officer and set the tube didfferently so Fry would get unfrosen before it's too late.That was so stupid of me to say,I started laughing at myself
Decapodian

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« Reply #30 on: 11-29-2006 21:51 »

 
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Hey,people!What are the ods of The Mighty One finding The Other?Personally I think the Nibblonians are running the show.After Fry told Nibbler about Leela,Nibbler waited almost a thousand years and when he found Leela he messed with the career chips for Leela to become a fate assighment officer and set the tube didfferently so Fry would get unfrosen before it's too late.That was so stupid of me to say,I started laughing at myself

Tha sounds awee bit far-fetched, Writer Unti 32.
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« Reply #31 on: 01-08-2007 10:26 »
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Well I'm not sure if I'm correct with this , I'm just throwing it out there but my theory is that the nibblonians were the first creatures to ever be created (as they were apparently alive before the big bang) and of course the longer a civilization is around the more advanced it would become.

The dark ages set us back a bit, didn't they outlaw science? anyway i don't think they are running everything but they are playing a big part of it.

The universe is about 13 billion years old in contrast the earliest fossil of a homo-sapien
found to date is 200 000 years old.

Look what we have done in that little time: from simple hunter and gathers around a fire to visiting the moon and great advances in science and technology.

That what we did in 200 000? years think what they could of done in 13 billion and it is survival of the fittest so they obviously are superior to many if not all know races in futurama.

Im sure there could be much more built on this.
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« Reply #32 on: 01-08-2007 10:50 »

 
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 Tha sounds awee bit far-fetched, Writer Unti 32.

Not really. I can just see a Leela-centric mythology episode showing a flashback of the Nibblonians screwing with the fate asignment of a young Leela so that she's sent to stand in unknowing vigil over the frozen Fry. It'd be similar to The Why of Fry, where Nibbler is shown making the call to the pizza joint and then pushing Fry into the tube. Simple yet effective manipulations of events.
power girl07

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« Reply #33 on: 01-08-2007 12:38 »

That's the question I've been asking since I saw the first episode!
coldangel

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« Reply #34 on: 01-08-2007 20:07 »

Which? The time of defrosting thing? That's easy:

He did not defrost early; if the capsule interpreted '1,000 years' to refer to the average length of a year in the Gregorian calendar, Fry should have defrosted a few seconds after noon.
A year is not always a year.
ZoidZoid

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« Reply #35 on: 01-09-2007 07:20 »

 
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The dark ages set us back a bit, didn't they outlaw science?

not exactly, I think they just accused the disoverers of new technology as being witches and killed them.
FENIX

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« Reply #36 on: 01-09-2007 10:58 »

Well alchemists have been around for centuries, probably coz they didn't get anywhere, but if they had found a means of turning everyday matter into gold would they have met the same fate I wonder?

And with Fry being frozen just before midnight on new years eve 1999, and a year (one rotation of the sun) being about 365.268 days, that makes 365,268 days in 1,000 years (rotation) yet 1000.049 years calendar and .049 years is about a day and 20hrs, so, depending on which way the capsule was designed he could have emerged just after 8pm Jan 2nd in the year 3000.

I think too much.
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« Reply #37 on: 01-09-2007 11:05 »

It was a wizard, live with it.
Decapodian

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« Reply #38 on: 01-10-2007 02:11 »

Sure blame the wizards
dawoodz
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« Reply #39 on: 01-10-2007 11:27 »
« Last Edit on: 01-11-2007 00:00 »

I see it more as glofication rather than blame.
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