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Monk_K

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« Reply #40 on: 04-13-2004 16:37 »
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Sorry, I don't know what happened here! I somehow managed to accidently create 2 identical messages!So I changed this one.  confused
Monk_K

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« Reply #41 on: 04-13-2004 16:39 »

I hate temporal loops!

 
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Yeah, I'm always tripping over those damn things...

Good one boxie!

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« Reply #42 on: 04-13-2004 17:16 »

Man this is confusing.
Fry is his own grandfather, it's one of those things you don't question.
Young_and_Angry

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« Reply #43 on: 04-13-2004 17:36 »

 
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Originally posted by TheLampIncident:
What bothered me about the "Don't worry dad!" line was that I always thought Enos looked more like Fry's mom.
It was prolly just some Fry idiotic confusion. I thought that he really "mated" with Mildred, and that Mildred is Fry's mom's mom.But we'll never REALLY know.

"Does not your scrotum need kicking?"
Spacedal11

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« Reply #44 on: 04-13-2004 23:41 »

i dunno he looked like Fry to me (what with his red hair).
Monk_K

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« Reply #45 on: 04-14-2004 13:07 »

Maybe it was Fry's evil long lost twin!
Ekarderif

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« Reply #46 on: 04-14-2004 16:29 »

Well, he could have easily given all the recessive genes to his dad and transferred it back to him. His mom had all the dominant genes and so he looks like his mother. But then again, this doesn't explain Enos lookalike. Kif, we have a conundrum. Search them for a paper... and bring me a rock.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #47 on: 04-14-2004 21:11 »

Enos was too stupid to be Fry's evil twin. He was the Sargents monkey boy.
Alliteration

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« Reply #48 on: 04-14-2004 21:27 »

And he was gay.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #49 on: 04-14-2004 21:56 »

No he was engaged...to a woman.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #50 on: 04-14-2004 22:37 »

 
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Originally posted by Spacedal11:
No he was engaged...to a woman.

i dunno, i think he had deeper feelings for the shirtless cowboy in the calender...

Spacedal11

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« Reply #51 on: 04-14-2004 23:08 »

true
Alliteration

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« Reply #52 on: 04-15-2004 18:57 »

"Don't you get the feeling your only going with girls cause your supposed ta'"

Fry: "You almost got neutered!"
Enos: "T'aint as bad as getting killed"

Of course he is gay.
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« Reply #53 on: 04-15-2004 19:01 »

Just speaking the way he does makes him gay in my book. Remember, i've got gaydar.
Alliteration

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« Reply #54 on: 04-15-2004 19:03 »

I wonder if he was big on musical theater.

He really does give off a gay hick vibe with that voice.
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« Reply #55 on: 04-16-2004 00:29 »

He should be in independent films. All those gay cowboys and pudding....*cheap south park plug*
Allen

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« Reply #56 on: 04-16-2004 00:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Alliteration:
Fry: "You almost got neutered!"
Enos: "T'aint as bad as getting killed"

Of course he is gay.

That actually bothered me. Gay or not, he's still a guy. Guys don't have to be neutered to know that's gonna hurt. He's so calm. I would have been like:

"You idiot! Are you trying to make me envy the dead or what?!"  big grin


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Alliteration

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« Reply #57 on: 04-16-2004 17:22 »

Or,

"YOU BASTARD!!!" (Grabs knife and lunges at Fry).

It would be funny to hear him say that with that accent.
Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #58 on: 04-16-2004 22:48 »

He was sort of gay.
Note the August picture on the pin-up calendar.However,if he was gay,why would he have a fiance?
Ranadok

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« Reply #59 on: 04-17-2004 00:25 »

He was just goin' with girls 'cause he was s'pose ta.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #60 on: 04-17-2004 16:05 »

If he'd met the shirtless calender cowboy first, i'd bet he would have gone with him..
Alliteration

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« Reply #61 on: 04-17-2004 22:14 »

I bet that whole discussion at the Malt Shop was really just Enos hitting on Fry.
Ranadok

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« Reply #62 on: 04-18-2004 00:10 »

Yikes... now THAT would be a twist!
Spacedal11

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« Reply #63 on: 04-18-2004 00:12 »

*dramactic music plays*
mpbx3003

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« Reply #64 on: 05-04-2004 23:07 »
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So, everyone always says that fry being his own grandfather is supported by the why of fry, but who says the nibblonians were absolutely correct? maybe they picked him out to create the brainwave(lack of) they needed, so are they the evil ones?
Maybe they told him the story to make not feel like a normal genetic freak, but rather that his actions were the cause...
and he is 1/3 of all his other grandparents (he is always a fraction of himself, but it becomes mathematically insignificant at 1/3...
Yancy(PJF's dad) would be 2/3 mildred and 1/6 each of his wife's parents...
Yancy(his brother) would be the same as fry, so why wouldn't he and his descendants be affected by the brain wave thing?
because Yancy jr.(34th?) would have the fry loop as his Y chromosome. so any possible combonation would result in the brain wave deformity... my brain hurts...
If the deformity comes only by being your own grandfather, why was fry chosen? how many other pizza delivery boys were there?
I don't think nibbler really pushed him, or else Fry as the chosen one is arbitrary...
To explain that last argument I say that he would have fallen anyway and Nibbler just made sure of it... I know nibbler called in the pizza delivert, but he could have taken over the situation from another crank caller (Al Gore?)and applied it to the nibblonians situation...
so Fry was going to go to the future anyway, or he was just a random person chosen, because he needed the nibblonians to lack the delta brain wave...
maybe he was born with the lacking brain waves deformity, and had to have it amplified... geesh i've rambled...
Pitt Clemens

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« Reply #65 on: 05-05-2004 02:44 »

You are all foolish slaves to the principle of causality which bears NO influence in much of the principles of quantum mechanics.

It's really explained simply, and Fry put it best:

"Maybe God loves me."

Yes he does, Oedipus.
ninja_nightmare

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« Reply #66 on: 05-05-2004 02:54 »

can't u just appreciate the show for wat it is instead of analyzing it   
cyba

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« Reply #67 on: 05-05-2004 07:33 »

 
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Originally posted by boxie:
Here's what the artical says for those too lazy...Then, when Fry's father mated with Fry's mother, the sperm that conceived Fry would have had the identical genetic makeup as the one that conceived Fry's father. The odds against this are staggering. And for each generation removed, it becomes more unlikely, because the exact same genetic code must be passed down through the generations or the ultimate result, in this case Fry, will not be genetically identical to himself, creating a paradox

But if the genes passed down weren't identical, and Fry ended up looking different, well a new time-line would emerge, and the whole thing could go into infinite regression. Possibly he wouldn't even travel back in time anyway...Maybe the Fry family "stoopidness" gene trait is so strong that things would work out the same anyway. Yeah. My head hurts now too.

mic

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« Reply #68 on: 05-05-2004 07:35 »

 
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Nixorbo's Golden Rule of Understanding Time Travel

Don't try to explain or understand temporal paradoxes. You'll just give yourself a headache and make yourself go crosseyed.

Anyway, how it works is that Philip Fry goes back in time to Roswell.  Fry accidentally kills his 'grandfather', who never was his grandfather in the first place.  He then has his way with his grandmother, who has Yancy Snr. (Philip's father).  Now, in the days of Fry's grandfather (and even now), it was rather inappropirate for Philip's grandma to be having an affair.  As Philip was only there for a short time, Philip's grandma could claim that she had her way with Philip's "grandfather" before he died, as the date which Philip did it with her is close enough to say she did it with her husband.  It works, as no pregnancy lasts for exactly the same length, just Yancy Snr. may have been "late" in Fry's grandmother's attempt to cover it up.

This has also been discussed in much detail here, so I think that this thread'll get closed soon.

 
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can't u just appreciate the show for wat it is instead of analyzing it   

Agreed.  This is why I hate having to read books for English classes... having to pick them apart afterwards.

Would you like to see my warez collection?
fussili
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« Reply #69 on: 05-05-2004 09:04 »

Yep, the genetics makes sense. I for one am red haired with neither parent being red-haired, both are carriers of the red hair alele (can't remember how to spell that, It's been 4 years since I last studied biology).
VoVat

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« Reply #70 on: 05-05-2004 21:03 »

Fry's being his own grandfather seems to be a closed loop.  He was ALWAYS his own grandfather, but he didn't know it until he went back in time.  On the other hand, "The Why of Fry" has Fry going back in time and changing history, culminating in his ending up with the Scooty Puff Sr., rather than Jr.  I believe these two different concepts of time travel have been discussed in more detail elsewhere, but I'm too lazy to look it up.
Teral

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« Reply #71 on: 05-06-2004 15:06 »

 
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Originally posted by ninja_nightmare:
can't u just appreciate the show for wat it is instead of analyzing it   

Sounds like something Mike Scully would say.  <IMG SRC="http://peel.gotfuturama.com/ubb/tongue.gif">
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #72 on: 05-06-2004 16:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
 Sounds like something Mike Scully would say.   <IMG SRC="http://peel.gotfuturama.com/ubb/tongue.gif">

If he's so smart, how come his show is cancelled?!

Mwahahaha! ...oh I made myself sad. 

Teral

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« Reply #73 on: 05-07-2004 08:12 »

What you talking about, Willis? The Simpsons is alive and well in their 15th season.
Pokefan3000

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« Reply #74 on: 05-07-2004 08:17 »

Yeah, dude you need to watch more Pokemon
Allen

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« Reply #75 on: 05-07-2004 13:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Pokefan3000:
Yeah, dude you need to watch more Pokemon

While the thread has gone off-topic, this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Also, respect that not everyone likes the show you're advocating.

For something on-topic. Fry was always his own grandfather. I believe the reason he has no delta brainwave is because Fry is a paradox. While it could be argued the whole Fry family from that point on is a paradox, most first-borns get the dominant genes and the second borns are more receptive to recessive. (say that 10 times fast) It can be assumed that Fry's genetic abnormality is the result of recessive genes that he himself caused.

Sorry, if I rehashed stuff I said before, but the topic has been discussed many times. Plus mpbx3003's theory makes no sense. "Except for the word blern, that was complete gibberish."
David A

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« Reply #76 on: 05-07-2004 15:54 »

 
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...most first-borns get the dominant genes and the second borns are more receptive to recessive.

What?  Where did you get that idea?   <IMG SRC="http://peel.gotfuturama.com/ubb/confused.gif">
germanfryfan

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« Reply #77 on: 05-07-2004 16:16 »
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Yeah that's pretty wrong, I think!

From where should a sperm know, if another sperm got through before? This would also mean that after a women got pregnant, her ovaries only produce eggs with recessive genes.

I don't think that nature operates so.
Allen

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« Reply #78 on: 05-07-2004 16:46 »
« Last Edit on: 05-07-2004 16:46 »

Actually, not really. The first generation can/might consist of dominant alleles from the parent generation. With each successive generation, the chances become more likely that recessive genes will show up. That's what I was saying. Not that first borns are always dominant and second borns are recessive. Just the chance is more likely that a certain allele will show up.

Edit: Damn, I'm thinking of something else. I was assuming first generation mates and produces offspring which have a greater chance of getting recessive genes passed on. That works with plants, but not with humans in which one generation can produce other offspring. ie: Yancy is born, then Fry. It still holds up somewhat but there are other factors involved.
Popetastic

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« Reply #79 on: 05-08-2004 16:54 »

 
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Originally posted by boxie:
Interesting to note - my uncle and aunt have brown hair. They have three children, two with red hair, one with blond.

We could chalk that up to either the recessive genes or to your family's many, many torrid affairs. Oh yes.

Anyway, I've heard this theory, but it doesn't make much sense: Fry originally did have Enos' genes. When he did the nasty in the pasty, and created timeline 2 (where Fry is his own grandpa) he still contained Enos' genes, but to a much smaller percentage (25% of 25%, which I guess is like 6.25%).

TIMELINE 1
Enos + Mildred = Yancy
Yancy + Frys Mom = Fry

Fry goes to 1947, creating an alternate timeline (TIMELINE 2)

TIMELINE 2
Fry + Mildred = Yancy
Yancy + Frys Mom = Fry

The reason I think this theory is complete BS is because it makes things too linear (ie that the FIRST  time it happened, Fry had 25% Enos). But who cares about the first time idea when common sense says that Fry instantly would lose Enos' genes when he impregnates Mildred, because now they NEVER had sex. I feel sick.

I think the idea of the "space time self-preservation effect" is a better explanation. It's essentially the "wizards of time" theory Wernstrum mentioned...it just says that the time would do anything possible to prevent a paradox. Therefore if Fry became his own grandfather (which would pretty much be a paradox - changing his own genetic makeup while he is alive), time would somehow step in and make things right.

Trying to figure this out is fun and painful at the same time.
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