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fryfanSpyOrama

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« on: 04-03-2004 16:11 »
« Last Edit on: 04-03-2004 16:11 »

People may not like what I have to say, but I'm curious.  Why do people say they cry at the end of the Jurassic Bark?  I thought the episode was touching, not as touching as The Luck of the Fryrish and others.  But when I saw the last scene, I was like, "That dog waited years for Fry to come back?  That dog is stupid."

I could believe Seymour in waiting, days, weeks, and even months (six months the most) but years?  Come on now. 

Dogs have a habit of forgeting their masters when the masters leave for a long period of time.  My friend left for Europe last summer and when he came back, his dog barked at him as if he were a stranger and my friend's had that dog for years.  Seymour being a dog, would have ultimately forgot about Fry and bonded with somebody else.  It doesn't matter how big a bond he and Fry had, being a dog he should've eventually forgot about Fry. 

If you like Jurassic Bark and felt that the last scene was very touching, I can respect that and never hold that against you.  I felt the episode was very touching overall, however, I didn't think that last scene was as touching as other touching moments on Futurama.
Venus

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« Reply #1 on: 04-03-2004 16:17 »

Are you sure the dog barked at him like he was a stranger? Maybe the dog was just pissed off that he was left for so long. When i went away for a week to visit my parents when i got back Anica ignored me for hours. And she's the type that usually greets me at the door. Granted she's a cat and not a dog, so maybe she's just smarter  big grin
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #2 on: 04-03-2004 16:20 »

The dog acted as if my friend was a stranger.  The dog bonded with my neighbor who took care of him the whole time my friend was in Europe.  At first the dog missed my friend and hardly ate, but eventually it bonded with the neighbor.
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« Reply #3 on: 04-03-2004 16:22 »

I didn't cry, but not because I thought the dog was dumb. You use the wrong term. Perhaps the best way to state your beliefs is "That dog is unrealistic." His intellect has nothing to do with how long he waited for Fry. That's called loyality. Some pets do wait for their owners to return for long periods. I know I can find some examples. I'll bring them around in another post.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #4 on: 04-03-2004 16:25 »
« Last Edit on: 04-03-2004 16:25 »

I guess cry was a wrong term. People have said that final scene was too touching and I was curious because it wasn't that touching to me as other moments on Futurama.   It was more pathetic than touching.
Allen

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« Reply #5 on: 04-03-2004 16:29 »
« Last Edit on: 04-03-2004 16:29 »

It was touching because that kind of loyaliy is admirable, not stupid. The fact that Fry stopped the cloning was also sad because he was unaware that the dog didn't forget him. He thought like you did, and did what I thought was the best thing with the knowledge he had.
canned eggs

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« Reply #6 on: 04-03-2004 16:34 »

Seymour's not dumb, he's a tragic model of loyalty and friendship and should be highly regarded for it.  There's a real life
story that reminds me a lot of Seymour that is very famous in Japan. 

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Gorky

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« Reply #7 on: 04-03-2004 17:07 »

Yeah, I agree with canned eggs. The fact that Seymour was loyal enough to wait for Fry for so long is what makes the episode touching. He isn't dumb, but he loved Fry.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #8 on: 04-03-2004 17:28 »

Yeah and that led to his pathetic death.  The song that they played make the scene less touching.  When I first heard it I felt that they were trying not to make this scene touching, but something to laugh at.  I wish they had chosen a different song if they wanted to make that scene very touching.  Futurama is good at having the right songs to reflect the emotion of the scene, but this one didn't work.
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« Reply #9 on: 04-03-2004 17:52 »

What are you talking about? I thought that song was perfect for that scene.
Gorky

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« Reply #10 on: 04-03-2004 18:07 »

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Jeeto

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« Reply #11 on: 04-03-2004 18:50 »

 
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Originally posted by canned eggs:
Seymour's not dumb, he's a tragic model of loyalty and friendship and should be highly regarded for it.  There's a real life
story that reminds me a lot of Seymour that is very famous in Japan. 



Oh wow, that's so weird.  I just had to read that story for Economics.  It's supposed to teach us about Japanese debt-repaying and whatnot.

I didn't cry during Jurassic Bark either;  it kind of just left me feeling frustrated at the end, because I reeeeally wanted them to clone the dog.  My own dog acts very snippy when I've come home from being away at school for 3 months at a time, but she usually warms up again in a few days.  When my mother leaves the house to run an errand, the dog will sit by the front window and wait for her to come back.
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« Reply #12 on: 04-03-2004 20:28 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
Yeah and that led to his pathetic death.  The song that they played make the scene less touching.  When I first heard it I felt that they were trying not to make this scene touching, but something to laugh at.  I wish they had chosen a different song if they wanted to make that scene very touching.  Futurama is good at having the right songs to reflect the emotion of the scene, but this one didn't work.

"If it takes forever I will wait for you
For a thousand summers I will wait for you
..."

With lines like these I thought the song was encredible fitting. I didn't tear up or anything at the end, but I saw what the meaning of the scene was: Seymour's unconditional loyalty to Fry, not because he had something to gain from it (pizza leftovers) but because they were friends. And I liked it and find it a testement to what a fantastic show Futurama was that they had the courage to do this tragic ending, rather than go for the feel-good ending and just clone the dog.

How this episode didn't win the Emmy is still beyond me.
Gorky

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« Reply #13 on: 04-03-2004 21:03 »

Yeah, I was really surprised by the fact that it didn't win the Emmy. I definitely consider it to be a better episode than the others it was up against (although I did also like "Three Gays of the Condo", even though it shouldn't have won, in my opinion.
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« Reply #14 on: 04-03-2004 21:22 »

I found Jurrasic Bark very touching and thought the song was perfect. I think perhaps not cloning the dog was for the best though. It's sad he waited for so long and never got to see him again, but perhaps it would be kinder to let him rest in peace.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #15 on: 04-03-2004 22:07 »

How can you say that Seymore was stupid? He waited for a long time because he loved Fry. He was afraid that if he went to find him, he would never do so. The song tied the story together. I cried for a long time. But you know Fryfan, you have never had anything that you couldn't live without before. Because if you did, you would understand why this episode is so sad and depressing.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #16 on: 04-03-2004 22:30 »
« Last Edit on: 08-31-2004 00:00 »

Well Seymore spent his whole life lying on the street waiting for Fry for all those years. That's pretty stupid to me.  You think at some point he would've realized that Fry wasn't coming. Seymore didn't even think about going back to Cryo Genics building, like he did in a flashback, and help get Fry out of the tube. The music just made it more pathetic. The lines to the song were good, but the way it was sung made the scene not as touching as other scenes.

And in answer to your question, when Futurama was cancelled, I couldn't imagine myself living a life with laughter without Futurama.  It was one of the things that provided me laughter, that and Family Guy.  Without those two shows TV wouldn't be as funny which is why I took up reading Red Dwarf and Hitcher's Guide To the Galaxy for my taste in sci-fi humor. There are many things I can think that I had to live without and it was tough trying to live without those things.

Luck of the Fryrish, was sad and touching. (Tear in my eye.)

Leela's Homeworld- Leela finally meeting her parents, that was touching. (Tear in my eye and I clapped.)

TDHAIPT, the last scene, that was touching. (tear in my eye and I clapped.)

TKOS- Very touching, but sad ending.

Jurassic Bark's last scene that was pathetic and silly.  (Just a snicker of "how pathetic that was".)

Don't get me wrong, I thought Jurassic Bark was good, overall. I liked it.  I felt it was sad that Fry refused to have the dog cloned. It was just the ending that was corny.  Jurassic Bark was better than that Simpson episode that won the Emmy.  I think that Simpson's episode robbed Jurassic Bark.
Digital Dragon

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« Reply #17 on: 04-04-2004 02:31 »

Fry told him to  stay. He stayed. You think that's dumb but I find it touching. Such is life.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #18 on: 04-04-2004 03:05 »
« Last Edit on: 04-04-2004 03:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Digital Dragon:
Fry told him to  stay. He stayed. You think that's dumb but I find it touching. Such is life.


So if Fry told him to jump off a building, would that be very touching?
Lrrr_2004
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« Reply #19 on: 04-04-2004 03:09 »

Yeah, I think that was a very touching episode.  Although I thought the ending was sad because he spent his life waiting for Fry when he should have spent his life, maybe had some kids.  I do like the flashback episodes that shed more light into Fry's life.
It's a shame that the show was cancelled, episodes like Jurassic Bark and Luck of the Fryrish are examples of why this show should have lasted longer than it did, even if for only a couple years.
Lrrr_2004
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« Reply #20 on: 04-04-2004 03:11 »
« Last Edit on: 04-06-2004 00:00 »

I am sorry, didn't mean to post the same thing twice in a row.  smile
Teral

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« Reply #21 on: 04-04-2004 09:56 »
« Last Edit on: 04-04-2004 09:56 »

Lrrr_2004 a friendly advice: it's generally considered good form to edit the first post, rather than double-posting.   smile

   
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
Well Seymore spent his whole life lying on the street waiting for Fry for all those years. That's pretty stupid to me.  You think at some point he would've realized that Fry wasn't coming. Seymore didn't even think about going back to Cryo Genics building, like he did in a flashback, and help get Fry out of the tube. The music just made it more pathetic. The lines to the song were good, but the way it was sung made the scene not as touching as other scenes.

Well, Seymore is a dog, they don't usually have sentient thought, they have instincts. Seymore stayed in front of Panuzzi's, not because he thought it was the best thing to do, but because his instincts told him so. He associate Panuzzi's with Fry, that's were he most often see Fry, so naturally he'd stay put waiting for Fry. His loyalty (yeah, that can be instinctive too) was what made him wait for Fry, rather than looking fr another owner. From what we saw, the only two people he really bonded with was Fry and Panuzzi, so unless another human picked him up and carried him home (and how many people do that with stray dogs?)  he probably wouldn't wander off himself.

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« Reply #22 on: 04-04-2004 10:21 »
« Last Edit on: 04-04-2004 10:21 »

hmm yes but in a flashback he did see fry in the cryo tube. He looked everywhere for him. but it probably is too logical for a dog to think that he saw fry in the cryo tube so he should look there again.

Personally I didn't care for the ending I just didn't feel any emotion for the dog. and it just seemed a very starnge choice for an ending and quite pointless to.
I didn't particulary like the song either
I think I would have preferred some orignial music from christopher tyng, I do like the music cue just before the song starts.
boxie

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« Reply #23 on: 04-04-2004 10:40 »

There are certainly many stories of such loyalty, Greyfriars's Bobby being another.

I personally love tales of such dedication and love. Perhaps because deep down I hope that someone would show such hope and devotion if ever I was lost to them.

As for the music, I thought it fit the moment perfectly...
Lrrr_2004
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« Reply #24 on: 04-04-2004 14:11 »
« Last Edit on: 04-06-2004 00:00 »

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Lrrr_2004 a friendly advice: it's generally considered good form to edit the first post, rather than double-posting.     smile

   
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Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #25 on: 04-04-2004 14:18 »
« Last Edit on: 04-04-2004 14:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Lrrr_2004:

    up yours
It was an accident, I'm new.
What are you the message board Hitler?



Um dude, thats not smart. hes just telling you helpful rules. And besides dont insult a Mod. I know from experience...


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Lrrr_2004
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« Reply #26 on: 04-04-2004 14:34 »

A MOD? What's that?

P.S. Seymour was smart.
Allen

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« Reply #27 on: 04-04-2004 15:33 »

A mod: A person who controls what goes on in the board. Some of these called Ubermods have the power to ban you. However, Teral is not a mod. That doesn't mean you should feel free to insult him though. Teral is a male, Nasty Pasty
KAH

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« Reply #28 on: 04-04-2004 15:41 »

I cried. I don't know, maybe it hits you harder if you've had to give up a dog. And Lrrr, if I were you I'd learn the rules before you play, look in information. Things like double posting are forgivable but don't give a mod(your superior) attitude. It reflects badly on all new posters.
Allen

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« Reply #29 on: 04-04-2004 16:44 »

And I'll say again, Teral is not a mod. He's Helpy McHelphelp and has the rank of DOOP Secretary, but he is not a mod.

All that aside, it isn't good form to insult someone who IS a mod. (ie Kryten, Nixorbo, Tweek, etc)

Now, back on track, I still think Fry did the right thing. What was stupid, were the people who said that they would never watch again because of this ep.
Teral

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« Reply #30 on: 04-04-2004 16:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Lrrr_2004:
   up yours
It was an accident, I'm new.
What are you the message board Hitler?


 roll eyes

 
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Originally posted by Allen:
And I'll say again, Teral is not a mod. He's Helpy McHelphelp and has the rank of DOOP Secretary, but he is not a mod.

::bans Allen::  ... oh, wait...

Yeah, I remember one guy wrote TLZ and complained about Seymore dying, asking for an email-address to Matt and David. He wanted to tell them he would never watch Futurama again. Graham made a long, ranting and hillarious update about the idioticness of that guy.  big grin

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TheLampIncident

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« Reply #31 on: 04-04-2004 17:58 »

My mom went to Europe for three weeks and when she came back, my dog was confused. Seymour isn't a realistic dog.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #32 on: 04-04-2004 19:42 »

 
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Originally posted by TheLampIncident:
My mom went to Europe for three weeks and when she came back, my dog was confused. Seymour isn't a realistic dog.

It doesnt matter. Just b/c one dog is confused doesnt mean all are stupid. Maybe Seymour loved Fry so much that he did throw away his little puppy life waiting for his best friend to return.....  cry   cry

Spacedal11

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« Reply #33 on: 04-04-2004 19:46 »

That's what I was trying to say before! But does anyone listen to Spacedal oh heck no!
Digital Dragon

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« Reply #34 on: 04-04-2004 20:01 »

When my brother came back after six months at university, my dog recognised him the instant he came in the door.
canned eggs

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« Reply #35 on: 04-04-2004 21:27 »

Odysseus's dog recognized him after years of absence, too.  Then he died. 
zoidbergrocks

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« Reply #36 on: 04-04-2004 21:28 »

stupid dog. Heh he
Spacedal11

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« Reply #37 on: 04-04-2004 21:33 »

No he wasn't
M0le

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« Reply #38 on: 04-04-2004 21:42 »

The whole scene is meant to be touching, not realistic. Most dogs are stupid and forget people after a few months without seeing them, but Seymour was special. I've never met a dog that can bark 'Walking on Sunshine' before.
Lrrr_2004
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« Reply #39 on: 04-04-2004 22:08 »

I used to have a dog, a golden retreiver.  He was very smart, always friendly, and always greeted me when I got back from a friends house or school.  So not all dogs are stupid.

In addition I would like to apoligize to anyone I offended, whether your moderator or not.
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