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Javier Lopez

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« on: 03-13-2004 14:03 »

Its curious that appart from the Nimbus the DOOP aparently has no other starships bigger than starfighter class. Even that they have to recall civilian ships to any minor operation.

So what "great" inter-planetary organization known as being a military power has only one medium sized starship (compare it to star wars Imperator class destroyers from starwars or even with Hyperion class cruisers from B5 and it falls to shame
  big grin ) and a handfull of fighters wich have to recall civilian supp˛rt to take on a single Omicronian ship and is complety unnable of take on two?
Lurrr

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« Reply #1 on: 03-13-2004 14:28 »

Thye would probably have more money for their fleet if they didn't have to cover the costs of Zapp's screw ups  wink

Or, if they spent less on fancy big space stations.
tom123

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« Reply #2 on: 03-13-2004 14:50 »

Hardly any of the Doop think Zapps a screw-up for who knows why. They think he is a great captain.
Zed 85

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« Reply #3 on: 03-13-2004 15:36 »
« Last Edit on: 03-13-2004 15:36 »

The Nimbus may only be an Earthican ship, considering the high concentration of humans on board. There are probably many more DOOP starships, and probably bigger ones too, but they defend other DOOP planets. Why the Earthican defences have to call on civilian craft to defend the planet is probably because the professional defence force keeps getting whittled down too quickly, and other DOOP ships from "abroad", as it were can't get back in time\ can't be arsed.
According to various sources either in the show or in the comics - which I suppose we could count as "cannon" - Earth gets attacked almost every week in one way or another. It's unlikely Earth has enough time to produce an effective defence force and its replacements in that time, plus they need to find pilots willing to join....
The Nimbus has probably survived since Zapp knows when to "keep out of harms way"
But he is the most decorated and regarded captain, which is why the Nimbus is assigned many different missions, and is why Leela keeps bumping into them.

Scratch that, perhaps there are lots of different DOOP ships, but they take it in turn to guard different places, so while the Nimbus is away, other ships will defend Earth, but when big invasion fleets come, Zapp will rush back to Earth to take all the glory - which is why the Earth Defence Force or whatever the hell you want to call it, is so small and why they have to call on civilians to fight, if you know what I mean   wink
It's unlikely with a president like Nixon, that Earth will have a small defence fleet due to it wanting to appear a peaceful planet.
Teral

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« Reply #4 on: 03-13-2004 21:08 »

I always assumed that was a reference to Star Trek. Starfleet is a massive military organisation (despite Gene insisting that it was merely the scientific and diplomatic section of the UFP we all know better), with hundreds (In DS9 thousands) of starships, starbases and outposts, and yet whenever Earth or some very important outpost is in grave danger the Enterprise is the only ship who can reach it in time.

Similarly I think the DOOP Fleet is very powerful and have countless vessels at their disposal, but the Nimbus is the only ship nearby whenever trouble arise, including those not caused by Zapp.  wink
Javier Lopez

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« Reply #5 on: 03-14-2004 07:11 »

So we can asume that Nimbus is the only starship avalaible when the show (Matt & David  big grin ) needs it.. or that a wizzard made all DOOP starships flee to save Donut land..
Anyway i like a lot those topics..of technical discussion.
Anybody has calculated Nimbus size? There is one scene in "Kiff gets knocked up a notch" where we see the Nimbus in complete scale with Planet Express ship.. calcultations on the PE ship make her about 45-50 meters long (including fins) so with that image we could calculta total Nimbus Size

Hedonism Bot

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« Reply #6 on: 03-14-2004 07:33 »

Whenever Zapp is in an episode on Earth, he always seems to have recently returned from a victory over the Wuss people of the Wuss Nebula or similar. Knowing Zapp's WW1 style tactics (charge with as many people as you can, to increase the chance of enough people surviving the charge to attack), the Nimbus might be the only ship that has returned, again thanks to the WW1 tactics (the Generals stay waaaay behind the front lines, watching the carnage and tutting about what effect it will have on the morale of the men).

Oh sure, blame the wizards...
Passing user

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« Reply #7 on: 03-14-2004 14:39 »

 
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Originally posted by Hedonism Bot:
Whenever Zapp is in an episode on Earth, he always seems to have recently returned from a victory over the Wuss people of the Wuss Nebula or similar.

The pacifists from Gandhi Sector?

SomeOne

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« Reply #8 on: 03-14-2004 16:59 »

The UN doesn't really help other nations fight in wars. Likewise, the Omicron Persei 8 thing was just an earthican matter- therefore nothing to do with the DOOP, so DOOP spaceships wouldn't really be expected to be involved in the battle.

Teral

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« Reply #9 on: 03-14-2004 17:19 »

But if DOOP wouldn't support it's memberworlds, why did it have a military in the first place? DOOP was also compared to the United Federation of Planets from Star Trek, and the Federation certainly sticks up for it's members. Starfleet have fought more wars than most Earthly nations.
krokerjoker

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« Reply #10 on: 03-18-2004 08:27 »

 
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Originally posted by tom123:
Hardly any of the Doop think Zapps a screw-up for who knows why. They think he is a great captain.

Everyone except Kif, lol   big grin
Tweek

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« Reply #11 on: 03-18-2004 10:54 »

 
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Originally posted by Lurrr:
Thye would probably have more money for their fleet if they didn't have to cover the costs of Zapp's screw ups   wink
What screw ups? Zapp is the hero of the show, whatever he does he does for a good reason... that reason might not be obvious to lesser people though  tongue

Javier Lopez

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« Reply #12 on: 03-18-2004 13:23 »
« Last Edit on: 03-18-2004 13:23 »

I was wrong..i analized the images where the PE ship can be see in scale against the Nimbus and acording to this frame:



The Nimbus appears to be 1.600 meters long! So its the same lenght as an Imperator class star destroyer from star wars but a lot higer wich makes Nimbus bigger..

Ranadok

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« Reply #13 on: 03-18-2004 13:29 »

The nerd factor of that just blows me away... Kudos!  Stilllllll..... wow, I never figured the Nimbus was that large. 
Javier Lopez

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« Reply #14 on: 03-18-2004 14:41 »

 
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Originally posted by Ranadok:
The nerd factor of that just blows me away


Really?

-All guns!! Al front Guns!! Fire at will! i repeat! fire!.. FIRE!

well..like profesor Frintch would say:

"then you will not like my other invention":

J.P. Diddy Wow

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« Reply #15 on: 03-20-2004 20:03 »

The DOOP probably has more ships but there probably somewhere else.
Shaucker

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« Reply #16 on: 03-20-2004 21:50 »

I always thought of the Nimbus as a vessel for shelter than for battle...like it could house battleships. I mean, they have ravioli and a Sunday Bar...
Belgarion

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« Reply #17 on: 04-05-2004 09:26 »

So do Doopfleet vessel names begin with DSS or DOOPSS?
boxie

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« Reply #18 on: 04-05-2004 13:42 »

Wow! I can't believe you actually compared ship dimensions. That is wicked!

And yet... somewhat sad.
Javier Lopez

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« Reply #19 on: 04-05-2004 19:04 »

 
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Originally posted by boxie:
Wow! I can't believe you actually compared ship dimensions. That is wicked!

And yet... somewhat sad.

Yeah? Im begining to get sick by those comentarys uncalled for.
If you find me sad only for a half an hour making graphics in PSP to compare sizes of fiction ships of science fiction shows/movies
then you can take a look at this:
 http://www.st-minutiae.com/misc/comparison.xhtml

 Or even better:
 http://www.merzo.net/

Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #20 on: 04-05-2004 20:08 »

All i can say Javier Lopez is.....WOW. That definately puts things in perspective for me(literally)
M0le

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« Reply #21 on: 04-05-2004 22:44 »

Now, I'm not trying to pull it apart, but where exactly did you get the fact that the PE Ship is 50 metres long? I don't recall it being mentioned in the show.
Alliteration

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« Reply #22 on: 04-06-2004 00:52 »

Well don't we know how tall Leela, Fry, and Bender are? (I don't but I think its somewhere)

You could derive it from that. (I think)
Javier Lopez

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« Reply #23 on: 04-06-2004 09:28 »

Exactly..

We know that Fry/Leela are same height aprox 1.7-1.8m.. using this and the ship comparison pic from the web of good old Andy (Andy is the master of this) the ship acording to pixel count would be between 48-54 meters.. i guess that Fry is more-1.75 So the ship most likely is better and safer round to 50 meters counting dorsal Fins (wich makes the "ussable cargo/living space a little smaller..about 38-42 meters)
winna

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« Reply #24 on: 04-06-2004 12:51 »

That's some cool stuff javi...  and yeah andy with anstatmaw and the planet express ship site?  he's great.

Anyone remember that screensaver someone made with the planet express ship and other various ships floating around.  It had an x-wing, the space shuttle, Dr. Who's telephone booth, and various other things floating around; that was pretty cool.
boxie

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« Reply #25 on: 04-06-2004 16:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Javier Lopez:
 Yeah? Im begining to get sick by those comentarys uncalled for.

Aw, hey man, I totally didn't mean to offend.
It was said in light jest.
I've probably done things way sadder myself.
Anyways, sorry.
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