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QueenOfRobonia

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« on: 02-18-2004 05:18 »

This has probably been done already, if so, I'm sorry, and point me in it's direction.
Why is it that in E2TSHL they don't know the truth about the Moon landing, as in they do not know the history of it(See, my title did make sense!). Though in IITM Bender is singing "A little song about a battle called Waterloo", while dressed as Napolean - so why do they remember Napolean but not the Moon landing? Surely that would be something that no-one would forget!
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Yinger36

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« Reply #1 on: 02-18-2004 10:10 »

Even though the "Fungineers" make it seem like they dont know & made up some wacky idea for it, like Leela said, the landing site has been lost for years...so i think its more that they just dont know where it is vs not knowing the history behind it.  Seeing it is the year 3000, & the moon landing happend 1031 yrs ago, i think no one really cared enough by that time to really bother looking for it, besides Fry.

I think that all made sence   smile
Nixorbo

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« Reply #2 on: 02-18-2004 11:52 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2004 11:52 »

You show me the exact site of a historical event that happened about 1,000 years ago and I will be impressed.

The question is, what did they do with it after they got back to Earth?
ghoulishmoose

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« Reply #3 on: 02-18-2004 13:12 »

How can they have lost it too? They could easily find it. Compared the galactic distances and speeds the poeple of the future travel in in such short amounts of time, I'm sure searching the moon would be no problem to them.

But I am also aware that this is a sci-fi cartoon, and not all things have to make sense. Thats what makes it fun  smile
eri_2001

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« Reply #4 on: 02-18-2004 13:32 »

i think they just didnt care
QueenOfRobonia

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« Reply #5 on: 02-18-2004 18:23 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2004 18:23 »

That's not my point!
Although if you look at the Lunar lander it says returned to this site by something(I can't remember what it was).
 
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Originally posted by: Nixorbo
You show me me the exact site of a historical event that happened about 1,000 years ago and I will be impressed.
I'm sure there are plenty of historical sites like that! But why do they get taught about stuff like Waterloo, but not about the Moon landing?
They didn't lose the Lunar lander, it was returned to the site by so-and-so, becasue the lander wasn't left on the moon was it! Simple history here! Also the Whalers come out of something similar to the lunar lander! So they have the lander it's simply that they don't know how man landed on the Moon! That's what I don't get!
VoVat

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« Reply #6 on: 02-18-2004 18:32 »

Because in the year 3000, just like today, people are only interested in the violent parts of history.  And Walter Mondale, of course.
Yinger36

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« Reply #7 on: 02-18-2004 22:49 »

If you listen to the comentary, youll find out that the whole reason behind the plaque that says (Lander returned to this site....) was because they didnt realize till the last minute that the top half of the lander wouldnt have been there since it blasted off to return to earth.  So they stuck the plaque there to cover for all the people that would nag & nit pick at it.
David A

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« Reply #8 on: 02-19-2004 01:20 »

 
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Originally posted by QueenOfRobonia:
That's not my point!
Although if you look at the Lunar lander it says returned to this site by something(I can't remember what it was).
   
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Originally posted by: Nixorbo
You show me me the exact site of a historical event that happened about 1,000 years ago and I will be impressed.
I'm sure there are plenty of historical sites like that! But why do they get taught about stuff like Waterloo, but not about the Moon landing?
They didn't lose the Lunar lander, it was returned to the site by so-and-so, becasue the lander wasn't left on the moon was it! Simple history here! Also the Whalers come out of something similar to the lunar lander! So they have the lander it's simply that they don't know how man landed on the Moon! That's what I don't get!

Well, there are probably historians in the 31st century who do know how it happened.  It's just that theme parks aren't run by historians.

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Mattybwoy

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« Reply #9 on: 02-19-2004 04:39 »
« Last Edit on: 02-19-2004 04:39 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
You show me the exact site of a historical event that happened about 1,000 years ago and I will be impressed.

The question is, what did they do with it after they got back to Earth?

*shows Nix the pyramids and the stone hedges*

M0le

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« Reply #10 on: 02-19-2004 04:59 »

And we also keep records of what we've done. Though I'm sure they were all lost. In a volcano.
Mattybwoy

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« Reply #11 on: 02-19-2004 05:06 »

That's where I lost my dignity.
Teral

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« Reply #12 on: 02-19-2004 10:32 »
« Last Edit on: 02-19-2004 10:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Mattybwoy:
  *shows Nix the pyramids and the stone hedges*


And yet people still can't agree on who exactly built these world-famous monuments. Imagine how little known the moonlanding would be. That's like finding the exact spot Leif Erikson made landfall in America.

 
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And we also keep records of what we've done.

True, but those records are fragile at best. Through the ages books and paper have been the best way of saving information for future generations (save for stone carvings ofcourse   tongue). Our way of storing information magnetic on tapes or hard-drives are actually pretty dangerous. Not only are their life-span limited (though digital copies are easy to make), but i's also a question of having the right equipment to retrieve the information with.

Most likely David A is right though, Theme Parks wasn't made to be scientific acurate, but to entertain. Scientific acuracy cost extra, and corporations abhore extra expenses.
Delta-V

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« Reply #13 on: 02-19-2004 14:41 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
You show me the exact site of a historical event that happened about 1,000 years ago and I will be impressed.
The Battle of Hastings in 1066 comes to mind...  Farther back than that, the Greeks, Romans, and Chinese often kept detailed records, so many historical events are relatively easy to find.

However, we're talking about an object on the moon.  Mare Tranquillitatis is about 300,000 square kilometers.  If the records of the exact location (04'5"N latitude, 2342'28"E longitude) was ever lost, it would be like trying to find something the size of a car in an area the size of Texas.

 
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The question is, what did they do with it after they got back to Earth?
More to the point, how did they get it back to Earth?  You'd think Bender would get tired of holding on to it.  (The hull of the ascent stage is made of mylar and aluminum, so the magnet wouldn't attract it, Bender would have to hang on to it the whole way)
Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #14 on: 02-21-2004 03:06 »
« Last Edit on: 02-21-2004 03:06 »

In my opinion,the futur beyond Futurama will be fild with Nixon clones. The Horror!
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futuramafreak

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« Reply #15 on: 02-22-2004 01:52 »
« Last Edit on: 02-22-2004 01:52 »

And yet they can find out about the last episode of Single Female Lawyer.*shuffling stack of priorities*

Getting off topic, Woodbot 2.0's avatar and mine are almost the same from the same episode, and we both joined in February 2004.  Weeeeeeird.
Bushmeister

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« Reply #16 on: 02-22-2004 04:39 »

I think types records have been wiped out at certain times, i.e. 'The Second Coming of Jesus'.
Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #17 on: 02-22-2004 08:39 »

Mabe there will be a third coming of Jesus!  eek
El Scorcho

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« Reply #18 on: 02-26-2004 12:37 »

Or possibly, a second comeing of Buddah, i mean every religion should get a second coming, otherwise it just wouldnt be fair.
VoVat

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« Reply #19 on: 02-26-2004 18:13 »

What about Oprahism?  Will there being a second coming of Oprah?
Yinger36

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« Reply #20 on: 02-26-2004 20:35 »

Oh Please god no...but if your all about second commings....how about a second comming of Futurama?  smile
El Scorcho

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« Reply #21 on: 02-28-2004 16:38 »

Possibly... but going by how long it took for Jesus to come a second time, the only way that you could be alive to watch it is if you got yourself frozen.
Gorky

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« Reply #22 on: 03-06-2004 14:27 »

I think that the lack of knowledge of the 20th century (introduced in "Episode Two: The Series has Landed" ) was probably just thrown in by the writer of the episode, Ken Keeler, and was a funny concept that they decided to use as a runner.
Either that or those wizards that we all blame everything on destroyed all of the records of what occured before and after the year 2000.
VoVat

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« Reply #23 on: 03-06-2004 16:02 »
« Last Edit on: 03-06-2004 16:02 »

Oh, sure!  Blame the wizards!

Maybe everyone's memory was erased so that they wouldn't remember some particularly traumatic event, and it made them forget other things as well.
Hedonism Bot

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« Reply #24 on: 03-06-2004 18:29 »

Civilisation did seem to be destroyed by aliens twice between 2000 and 3000; that might have something to do with the masses of unknown information about the twentieth century and earlier. Occasional references to the Stupid Ages (Bender talking about Napoleon, Leela knowing when different inventions were invented in A Big Piece of Garbage) might be the result of hearing random bits of information out of boring documentaries while channel-surfing. For example, I know that the first Roman invasion of England was by Julius Caesar in 55BC, but I couldn't tell you where he landed. I know Pliny the Elder wrote the first encyclopaedia, but I couldn't tell you what Pliny the Younger did.
VoVat

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« Reply #25 on: 03-06-2004 22:35 »

I think it's certainly reasonable that records from our time would be somewhat spotty by 3000.  On the other hand, a lot of celebrities from our time are still around, so couldn't historians ask them?  They're primary sources, after all.  I guess it's possible that they can't always remember details, and maybe some of them purposely misrepresent their accomplishments.  For instance, maybe Gerald Ford is glad that people think he invented the automo-car, so that he isn't primarily remembered for being President without having been elected and tripping on the stairs of Air Force One, as he seems to be today.
Bobcat_Z

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« Reply #26 on: 03-07-2004 06:53 »

 
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Originally posted by Woodbot 2.0:
Mabe there will be a third coming of Jesus!   eek


Well, come to think of it, there already was a third coming of Jesus...  wink
 
Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #27 on: 03-07-2004 16:30 »

Maybe Farsworth will come from the Dead!
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