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JDHannan

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« on: 09-13-2003 21:08 »

Episode 1 - Space Pilot 3000
Fry: "Are we going to fly through space, teaching alien women to love?"
Episode 209 - Why Must I Be A Crustacean In Love
Edna: "Teach me to love, you squishy poet from beyond the stars!"
Fry: AAAAAAAHHHhhhhh!

hey? HEY? whats up with that?
gus

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« Reply #1 on: 09-13-2003 21:23 »

it was a grotesc(sp?) monster, what do you want from him??

Plus, it was his friend's love, he didnt want to hurt dr. zoidberg
Killerfox

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« Reply #2 on: 09-13-2003 21:26 »

bah he didnt care about Zoidberg, just imagine a fishlike creature whom is attracted by you runs down to you and cives you a kiss

*shiver*
gus

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« Reply #3 on: 09-13-2003 21:39 »

errr, of course he did, he went over there and told her about how great zoidberg was.. of course he cared.
Beamer

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« Reply #4 on: 09-14-2003 00:04 »

He was only talking about teaching the hot alien women to love, not the slimy grotesque lobster creature ones. However, he did do an ACTUAL contradiction in My Three Suns

This is from the near-start of the episode:

Fry: Now that you mention it, I do have trouble breathing underwater sometimes. I'll take the gills.
Man: Yes, gills. You don't need lungs anymore, right?
Fry: Can't imagine why I would.
Man: Lie down on table. I take lungs now, gills come next week [Fry lies on the table.] Nurse!
[A huge man comes over and holds Fry's arms down.]
Nurse: Let's do it.
Man: You may feel small pain...

As you can see, he doesn't seem to realise this operation is going to kill him - and he doesn't seem to care either. However, this next bit is from the near-end of the same episode:

Amy: We've gotta get the Emperor out of your body before they kill you!

Zoidberg: Relax Fry. I'll simply spin you in a high-speed centrifuge seperating out the denser fluid of His Highness.
Fry: But won't that crush my bones?
Zoidberg: Oh right right! The bones that's it! I always forget about the bones.

As you can see, Fry has suddenly become a lot more intelligent and cautious over this small period of time. Does this count as a Fry contradiction?
alexvilagosh

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« Reply #5 on: 09-14-2003 03:27 »

No, it doesn't... the wizards did it!
JDHannan

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« Reply #6 on: 09-15-2003 02:37 »

you know... u'd think after 2 years, the wizard jokes would start to get old and annoying
and look, they are! :P
heh heh
to be perfectly honest, i solved the mystery of the contradictio myself, but i wanted to see who would get it first.  and Beamer is the winner... edna is not an alien woman, she is an alien lobster creature... who was kindof sexy, but really disgusting at the same time... (director's commentary: "this shouldn't be sexy, but it is!" )
winna

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« Reply #7 on: 09-15-2003 03:04 »

I thought she was sexay... Come over here Edna baby for some sweet lovin  big grin  (Uh oh, I'm thinking of Edna Crabapple *shudder*)...  Ok I'm going to walk away now...

BTW the wizards will never die... as long as they're used properly. Look its a wizard, no its a plane, no its.....
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #8 on: 09-15-2003 03:18 »

Edna made me wonder why female Decapodians have any use for boobs. I mean, they die after mating, and they have a hard shell, soooo... what's the point?
Lionel Hutz Esq

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« Reply #9 on: 09-15-2003 03:55 »
« Last Edit on: 09-15-2003 03:55 »

 
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Originally posted by Asylum-Fry:
Edna made me wonder why female Decapodians have any use for boobs. I mean, they die after mating, and they have a hard shell, soooo... what's the point?

Well, in some ways, the same can be said about human females.  Most mammals do not have prominent mammaries, yet humans do.  Once heard a theory on this that goes as follows:

Many apes signal sexual health and readiness through prominent display of the buttocks.  Humans, by going bipedal, lost this display.  Human females then developed breasts to replicate the shape and look of buttocks while standing upright. 

Obviously, a strange lobster/squid thing doesn't have mammaries, but you might have a similar development when the decapodians went bipedal. 

Back on topic, personally I think Fry was more upset because this was the women in which his friend was interested.  After all, he was looking forward to an orgy of invertabrate sex.  "No need to pack pants people, lets roll."

What makes a good man go neutral?  Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?[/b]
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #10 on: 09-15-2003 04:02 »

You're a scientist in real life aren't you? I keep asking irrevelant questions, and yet you know all the answers.... wow.
Beamer

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« Reply #11 on: 09-15-2003 04:24 »

I also think it was just there as a way for the viewer to distinguish between sexes. After all, Edna's voice is the only way you can really tell she's female (besides the fact that she's called Edna and Zoidberg mentions she's female).

Also, they may have something to do with the Decapodians mating process. Keep in mind that Decapodians don't seem to have genitals, and even after seeing the mating frenzy in WMIBACIL there's still no real clues given to HOW they mate.

Not that I'd really want to know how they mate anyway, but still - I'm just throwing a few more theories out there, even though Lionel Hutz Esq is most likely correct.  smile
Jamesbondcja

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« Reply #12 on: 09-15-2003 12:01 »

 
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Originally posted by JDHannan:
you know... u'd think after 2 years, the wizard jokes would start to get old and annoying
and look, they are!

Oh God when did this happen? Did I miss a meeting or something, Why didnt you tell me WHY! WHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

Anyway yeh what was this topic about again!

  tongue   wink   tongue

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Especially since I rule.
John C
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« Reply #13 on: 09-15-2003 13:37 »

 
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Originally posted by Asylum-Fry:
Edna made me wonder why female Decapodians have any use for boobs. I mean, they die after mating, and they have a hard shell, soooo... what's the point?

Perhaps it's where the egg sac is. Zoidberg did say "Her caviar is on your neck!". This would imply that the female mates with her mouth and needs the eggs to be closer. As to why Fry would want gills and leave his lungs with the salesman, I would assume he was sweet-talked. Let's face it- Fry's gullible.
boingo2000

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« Reply #14 on: 09-15-2003 14:39 »

OK, if the female mates with her mouth and the male jelly comes out of the wazoo...
EEEEEEWWWWW!

(Hey, if I have to be haunted by that mental image, so do all of you!)
Lionel Hutz Esq

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« Reply #15 on: 09-16-2003 02:12 »

 
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Originally posted by Asylum-Fry:
You're a scientist in real life aren't you? I keep asking irrevelant questions, and yet you know all the answers.... wow.

Nah, just an attorney with a very geeky side.  Plus I studied philosophy in college ("The problem with philosophy is that after you leave college, you remember just enought to screw yourself up for the rest of your life."  --Steve Martin), so I'm a generalist at heart.

And the question isn't irrelevant, it generated at least four good posts.  Answers are easy.  One of the first leasons of law school is: it is not the answer, but the question that maters.  You ask good questions.  Keep it up, and you will do well.    smile

What makes a good man go neutral?  Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?[/b]
leelaholic

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« Reply #16 on: 09-20-2003 00:13 »

 
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Originally posted by boingo2000:
OK, if the female mates with her mouth and the male jelly comes out of the wazoo...

*throws up*   puke
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #17 on: 09-29-2003 10:11 »

It's like this: If you say (you know, spontaneously) "I'm hungry! I could just eat ten elephants soaked in cross-eyed badger spit!", would you really do it if the possibility arose? No!
Just like fry. He's drawing up an obvious boundary... He didn't mean EVERY alien woman. Of course...
JDHannan

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« Reply #18 on: 09-29-2003 10:14 »

that is possibly the worst explanation for anything i've ever heard in my entire life
Lionel Hutz Esq

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« Reply #19 on: 09-29-2003 22:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird:
It's like this: If you say (you know, spontaneously) "I'm hungry! I could just eat ten elephants soaked in cross-eyed badger spit!", would you really do it if the possibility arose? No!
Just like fry. He's drawing up an obvious boundary... He didn't mean EVERY alien woman. Of course...


I think it's a good point.  Fry was thinking of Capt. Kirk land when he said it, where every alien babe was a human babe, but with green skin.  Reality isn't always quite so nice.

What makes a good man go neutral?  Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?[/b]
leelaholic

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« Reply #20 on: 09-29-2003 23:18 »

It's like saying "I'm so excited I could wet my pants" when you really don't want to.
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #21 on: 09-30-2003 10:38 »

YES!!! Thank you! *Swoosh*... I'm a little bummed out that nobody noticed my Douglas Adams reference (from "Mostly Harmless" )... But the parts with the agreeing in them were very satisfactory.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #22 on: 09-30-2003 11:44 »

Also, Fry said that back in the first episode when his viewpoint of the future was still pretty new and naive. The only alien he'd met properly at that time was Leela.
Lionel Hutz Esq

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« Reply #23 on: 09-30-2003 23:36 »

And she wasn't even an alien.  Have there been any really attractive aliens?  (I'm really tired, so forgive me if I'm just not thinking of something obvious).

And I can't believe I didn't get a Douglas Adams reference.  But I probably haven't read Mostly Harmless since the mid 90s.  I do have the series on DVD and had it recorded off of PBS since highschool, and usually watch at least once a year.
winna

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« Reply #24 on: 09-30-2003 23:52 »

Then again maybe Fry did wanna have sex with every alien babe... Edna's just not in his league...  He is kinda desperate....
JDHannan

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« Reply #25 on: 10-01-2003 12:30 »

Lionel Hutz> Edna, the crab-woman isnt an alien?  how do you figure that?  she is alien to Fry...
Winna> i'm not pullin in what u're layin out... are you saying Edna's too good for him?  she's clearly ready to let him get with her tho... and if u're saying he's too good for her, then u're nuts
Lionel Hutz Esq

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« Reply #26 on: 10-02-2003 00:43 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
Also, Fry said that back in the first episode when his viewpoint of the future was still pretty new and naive. The only alien he'd met properly at that time was Leela.

To make my previous quote clear. 

And, again, are there any sexy female alien's in Futurama?  I just watched Branigan Began Again, and there are lots of aliens, but no "lookers."

What makes a good man go neutral?  Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?[/b]
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #27 on: 10-02-2003 01:21 »

I'm shocked that none of the guys here have mentioned the Amazonians as being alien women... really...

Though Fry seemed pretty keen on the idea of Snu-Snu at first, meaning he was teaching alien women to 'love' in the physical sense.

Case closed  big grin
Beamer

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« Reply #28 on: 10-02-2003 01:31 »

The Amazonians aren't fully aliens though, they're just enormous humanoid women.
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #29 on: 10-02-2003 01:52 »

 
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Originally posted by Beamer:
The Amazonians aren't fully aliens though, they're just enormous humanoid women.

They come from a different planet, they are aliens.
Luis

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« Reply #30 on: 10-02-2003 02:19 »

I think if we use that logic, Amy's a hot alien since she was born on mars. But yes, amazonians are aliens even if humanoid, in fact, plenty of "aliens" in futurama are humanoid, bi-pedal, have a skeletal sistem, etc. And they qualify as aliens because, gee let me think, have you ever seen a woman that big? they're aliens, case closed. And by the by, Fry didn't wanna do the nasty with Edna because she's a decapodian, decapodians and humans don't mix (at least zoidberg and ANY human don't), Fry is desperate and willing, remember the "radiator woman"?
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #31 on: 10-02-2003 09:43 »

One of the things that are wrong here is that  the definition of ALIEN is blurry to some. Doesn't alien mean strange/unknown/etc...? I believe MOST of us are talking about EXTRATERRESTRIALS (and yes, then Amy is an ET)...
On the matter of hot ET's: I don't think I've spotted a truly attractive one. Amazonians are not my kind of women- I've never liked the overly manly ones... Now, if they would just put some Twi'Leks in there... Hmmmm
Hey, Mr. Hutz Esq! Did you pinpoint it (the reference)? I think you did...
Gleno

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« Reply #32 on: 10-02-2003 11:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Asylum-Fry:
You're a scientist in real life aren't you? I keep asking irrevelant questions, and yet you know all the answers.... wow.

I knew you had a secret to get that high rank....BAM....!  tongue


Let me break....let me break you down....for your sake....I will break you down...."[/small]
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #33 on: 10-02-2003 16:58 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2003 16:58 »

What? Irrevelance is the spice of life...

No wait, that was something else. Forgot the word.

I did ask meaningful questions, nobody's sued me for spamming because I don't go around writing messages like:

"OMG i wuz soooo rong teh aleinz an fry were so hot thei wur teh shix0rz!!!!11!1!111oneone"

Anyway, my helping-ness balances out the questions.

EDIT: Well it's not like the questions I asked HURT anyone... I don't see why you're so mad about my rank/# of posts.
John C
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« Reply #34 on: 10-02-2003 17:54 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2003 17:54 »

Now that I look at your post count AF, all I have to say is:
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

Seriously though, that's not a bad thing. I was just surprised. About the Fry and alien women thing, I think it's pretty obvious he was expecting them to be, you know, attractive.
Gleno

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« Reply #35 on: 10-04-2003 12:06 »

I'm not mad I think it's cool you got that high so fast.... big grin
JDHannan

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« Reply #36 on: 10-06-2003 10:21 »

Hey, Fry made a statement.  He should man up and go through with it!  What kind of show would we have if characters could say one thing and do another...
Gleno> remember the wizards... >:P
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #37 on: 10-09-2003 10:37 »

Again: Haven'y tou ever said something like "I'm so stuffed with energy that I could just do seventy-nine backflips and run to Jupiter and back... even if there's a detour" or something like that? Yuo know, some kind of exaggerated spontaneous just fell out of your mouth when yoo opened it, just because of you state of mind at the time... Now I challenge THEE (as you challenged Fry) to go fulfill EVERY spontaneous statement uttered... No, I don't challenge you, and neither should you...
I'm rambling agiain, am I not? A pox on my feeble willed mind! Gotta learn to control it... see! It started all by itself. Nothing I could do...
Ok, I'll stop.
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