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SuperFry

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« on: 09-03-2003 07:36 »

in this episode when fry goes back in time and decided to let nibbler knock his past self into the freezing capsule and fry goes back to that alternate universe how does that fry get out because it show's the past fry after 1000 years destroying the brains and escaping but it never tells what happens to the future fry in the alernate universe
if you want to say something wierd you saw on the why of fry feel free to  smile
winna

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« Reply #1 on: 09-03-2003 07:45 »

Hmmmm, tastes like purple.
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« Reply #2 on: 09-03-2003 10:29 »

 
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Originally posted by SuperFry:
in this episode when fry goes back in time and decided to let nibbler knock his past self into the freezing capsule and fry goes back to that alternate universe how does that fry get out because it show's the past fry after 1000 years destroying the brains and escaping but it never tells what happens to the future fry in the alernate universe
if you want to say something wierd you saw on the why of fry feel free to   smile

He spends eternity with a bunch of giant floating brains, who form a tightly nit clique he isn't part of. Not a cheerful way to end ones life, but that's the way it is.

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« Reply #3 on: 09-03-2003 11:54 »

Thats actually a potential story thread to pick up. Maybe he went crazy and became...

dun dun dun!!!

Evil Fry!!!  wink

Or maybe not, either's good.  tongue
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« Reply #4 on: 09-03-2003 12:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
 He spends eternity with a bunch of giant floating brains, who form a tightly nit clique he isn't part of. Not a cheerful way to end ones life, but that's the way it is.

Not to mention the starving/dehydrating to death part.

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Teral

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« Reply #5 on: 09-03-2003 14:44 »

[Zoidberg]Oh right right! The starving. I always forget about the starving to death.[/Zoidberg]

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« Reply #6 on: 09-03-2003 14:50 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
[Zoidberg]Oh right right! The starving. I always forget about the starving to death.[/Zoidberg]


AHAHAHAHAHA, funniest thing i've seen here. Kudos on the great joke.
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #7 on: 09-03-2003 20:15 »

Evil Fry.. now that's an idea  smile
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« Reply #8 on: 09-08-2003 18:25 »

Simply..there is no alternate Fry..
in fact Fry dissapears when he told Nibbler "just renember that the scooty puf junir suckkksssss!!!!!" , because in that moment Nibbler understood thay Fry will have problems in future due to the crappy bike so he gets a Sr one and therefore Fry is not traped in the infosphere... he manages to escape
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« Reply #9 on: 09-08-2003 23:07 »

 
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Simply..there is no alternate Fry..
in fact Fry dissapears when he told Nibbler "just renember that the scooty puf junir suckkksssss!!!!!" , because in that moment Nibbler understood thay Fry will have problems in future due to the crappy bike so he gets a Sr one and therefore Fry is not traped in the infosphere

...and therefore he never went back in time to tell this to Nibbler which means he would have been trapped etc...

When he went back in time he would have created an alternate universe by giving Nibbler information about the future.

I think he must have returned back through time to spend an eternity with the brains.

Well, actually, this didn't happen either because it is just a cartoon and isn't real.
Hope I didn't spoil this for anyone.
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #10 on: 09-09-2003 02:15 »

Seriously, he ceased to exist at that point. The space/time continuum that our dear old Fry originally came from continued, though without him and the Brains. But the one the Brains sent him to was a different one.

Since there was no possibility of escape from THAT SPACE/TIME CONTINUUM, they merely sent Fry to a different one identical to the 'original'* to make his choice. Because sending him back in the 'original' past would change everything and end up destroying the universe by ripping out the past (like in AoI 1), they sent him to one where changes could be made without anything bad happening. Presumably, the past-Fry of the universe that he is sent to did not inbreed himself, and therefore there would be no danger if he kept himself from falling into the freezer-tube. That is why Nibbler offered to stay stationed on Earth if he decided to keep himself unfrozen.

... wait a second, I make no sense. Unless.. but no, if... aw never mind. You can read this and boggle your mind about it. Cheers.

* Original: One that most of the Futurama episodes have taken place in
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« Reply #11 on: 09-09-2003 02:22 »

I'm working on a theory, but don't want to test it until I check something.  In which episode do we first see Fry and Nibbler's shadows?  I remember the scene, I just can't remember which episode.
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« Reply #12 on: 09-09-2003 02:59 »

Er.. uh... Jurassic Bark.
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« Reply #13 on: 09-09-2003 06:35 »

In Space Pilot 3000, we just see Nibbler's shadow.

Fry and Nibbler both appear in Jurassic Bark, as well as the stork of Nibbler's eye in the garbage can.
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« Reply #14 on: 09-09-2003 08:26 »

Are we sure that's Nibbler's eye stalk?  I thought that was still up for debate.

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« Reply #15 on: 09-09-2003 09:31 »
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Nah i think it is Nibbler... You can see the stalk move a little bit when Fry puts the pizza on the table.




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« Reply #16 on: 09-09-2003 23:21 »

thats nibbler
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« Reply #17 on: 09-09-2003 23:23 »

Scooty Puff Sr.
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« Reply #18 on: 09-10-2003 06:05 »

As Rage Dump said - you can see it move, so I doubt it's up for debate. It's either Nibbler - or some other Nibblonian who's there incase something goes wrong... Hmmmm, I think that classifies as a new theory. Yay, I came up with something!  big grin

Also, Frymeister - I'm not a mod, so I really do have no right to lecture you on the edit button - but let me just say for your sake that pointless double posting doesn't go down well here. Eeek, I hope I'm not going to get in trouble for saying that...   frown
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« Reply #19 on: 09-12-2003 08:55 »

Hehehehehe Scooty puff JR. Ooooh now I want one.
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« Reply #20 on: 09-12-2003 09:08 »

 
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Originally posted by Beamer:
It's either Nibbler - or some other Nibblonian who's there incase something goes wrong... Hmmmm, I think that classifies as a new theory. Yay, I came up with something!   big grin

Well, that's what I was saying.  I didn't mean to impy it wasn't a nibblonian, but it seems to me Nibbler'd have to be pretty fast and quiet to get from being mostly buired in the garbage can to under the desk in the time provided without Fry noticing something..
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« Reply #21 on: 09-12-2003 09:11 »

Maybe some other lost secret perhaps he was there to make sure Nibbler pushes Fry.
phish

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« Reply #22 on: 09-12-2003 09:59 »

i think the point everyone is overlooking is that futurama is a humourous cartoon, and when you think about it you say"yeah that could work" but when you try to overanalyze it, you realize that it is impossible
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #23 on: 09-12-2003 19:31 »

Stop ruining our fun, phish.
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« Reply #24 on: 09-13-2003 05:22 »

Phish, I think you're forgetting that although Futurama is part-comedy, it's also part-science fiction. That's why people are constantly coming up with theories, etc. for the show. Of course it's impossible - but that doesn't mean we can't come up with some type of logic for it.

Also, Boingo2000 - I misread what you said. I thought you meant that it was debatable whether it was a Nibblonian or not, rather than just Nibbler. Sorry about that.
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« Reply #25 on: 09-13-2003 06:05 »

Also it gives people a chance to complain about how many ideas weren't done.
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« Reply #26 on: 09-13-2003 17:12 »

Well there might be two Nibblers.. since Nibbler in TWOF was walking down the desk... not in the trash can
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« Reply #27 on: 09-15-2003 09:23 »

Fry vanished because Nibbler realized that he was going to make a mistake in the future, so Fry wouldn't have to go back in time to warn Nibbler. So all that really happened was that the Nibblionians gave Fry a Scooty Puff Sr. instead of a Scooty Puff Jr.
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« Reply #28 on: 09-16-2003 02:11 »

 
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Originally posted by Strit:
Fry vanished because Nibbler realized that he was going to make a mistake in the future, so Fry wouldn't have to go back in time to warn Nibbler. So all that really happened was that the Nibblionians gave Fry a Scooty Puff Sr. instead of a Scooty Puff Jr.


That's causing one helleva paradox though.
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« Reply #29 on: 09-17-2003 23:47 »

What if you looked at it like this...time isn't a line but more like a point.  It doesn't happen like you would read a book, with certain things happening before other things, but happens all at once.  Every single moment in time just exists.  And if you go back and change something, everything changes in the split second that you changed that something.  Therefore if Fry went back in time and changed something (the fact that he needed a Scooty Puff Sr. instead of the Jr.) he would have immediately disappeared because he changed things.  By telling Nibbler to make it a Scooty Puff Sr., everything just...BAM!...changed.  In the new time "point" (instead of time line) that he created by changing things, he doesn't have to go back in time to tell Nibbler because Nibbler already knows.  I’ll give another example (and for the sake of it, just assume this is what would actually happen).  If someone went back in time and murdered Hitler, then...BAM!...everything would change instantly.  There would be no World War II, no persecution of the Jews, etc.  And we would know of no other history except the one that was created by murdering Hitler.  It would be like a new time “point” is created. 
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #30 on: 09-18-2003 00:30 »

Though there would still be the original timeline (or point). Time, which is a cube cubed (think of it as many overlapping cubes in infinite directions, each being the most infinitely small measurement of time of a universe, forming long strands, or timelines, and branching off all the time) has infinite possibilities. Both universes exist, but by going back in time, Fry branched off a new universe almost parallel to his original one.

I learned this from my dad's friend, a professor who studies black holes and works at Caltech. My brain hurts from trying to explain that.
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« Reply #31 on: 09-18-2003 01:18 »

So some sort of tesseract or hypercube ey?

Also the eyestalk in the trashcan is obviously from an evil nibblonian who wished to stop Fry....  Too bad we didn't get to see that story. 

Also even if you changed a time (point) the original one (time (point)) would HAVE to exist because the person going back in time would be the changer and he would have had to exist as he was before the change to make the change occur in the first place, if he isn't the same, he may never have had made the change in the first place.
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #32 on: 09-18-2003 01:43 »

Hypercubes would make time travel possible. If you move from one cube to another you have traveled in time.
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« Reply #33 on: 09-18-2003 15:20 »
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Though there would still be the original timeline (or point). Time, which is a cube cubed (think of it as many overlapping cubes in infinite directions, each being the most infinitely small measurement of time of a universe, forming long strands, or timelines, and branching off all the time) has infinite possibilities. Both universes exist, but by going back in time, Fry branched off a new universe almost parallel to his original one.

Yea, that all makes sense (well, about as much sense as it can make, which isn't a lot).  So basically he just creates a new universe really similar to his original one?  And he exists in both of them?
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« Reply #34 on: 09-18-2003 16:17 »

This is the flaw with everything though, if you change time you'd never go back in time in the new future to change time. If you just think that once it's done, it's done it may help.
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« Reply #35 on: 09-18-2003 17:03 »

One theory about time-travel that helps explain away paradoxes is to also take into account the theory of alternate universes. This theory states that whenever any action is taken, a new universe is created for each of the possible outcomes. So the original universe is where Fry did not go back, but when he does, he reaches a previous time in his own universe but this now splits into two universes - the original one where Fry did not appear, and the new one where he did. In this new universe, everything carries on in basically the same way as the original one except that the Nibblonians build a decent bike and so Fry escapes. However, he still went back in time from the original universe so he still told Nibbler about the bike and we avoid the whole "Fry doesn't go back, so Nibbler gives him a crappy bike, so Fry goes back, so he gets the good thing, so he doesn't go back..." thing. Of course this contradicts the time travel paradoxes in Roswell That Ends Well and Futurama: The Game where doing stuff in the past caused it to have already happened so... Humourous cartoon - explains everything.

Seriously though, we won't ever really know the answer unless time-travel is ever actually invented.
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« Reply #36 on: 09-18-2003 18:37 »

Wernstrom!!!   mad  LOL. Welcome to PEEL, Prof.

As likely as it is that another universe was created when Fry talked to Nibbler, I think the main problem with that explanation is that no one wants to believe the Fry they knew and loved since the beginning was killed.


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« Reply #37 on: 10-07-2003 19:49 »

 
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Originally posted by John C:I think the main problem with that explanation is that no one wants to believe the Fry they knew and loved since the beginning was killed.


(NOTE: I haven't seen this episode in a long time, so I might have some things wrong)

Well as I understand it (and I could be wrong), it's still technically the same Fry because Fry #1 (original Fry) went back in time, splitting the timeline into two, and then continued on in the second timeline. Fry #2 would be the Fry that didn't go back in time and ended up with the Scooty Puff Jr. You could say that as soon as Fry went back he made two of himself, in two seperate universes. Assuming we say that the Fry that went back is the original one, it's actually his "clone" that gets killed.
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« Reply #38 on: 10-07-2003 19:54 »

If one Fry kept getting the Scooty Puff Jr, he's be stuck in an infinite loop, and would create the Scooty Puff Sr. universe ONCE.

nichie makes perfect sense!
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« Reply #39 on: 10-07-2003 20:21 »
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Yes because the Fry that went back in time kept finding a way back but kept going in an infinte loop around and around and he can't break out of the loop while the Fry with the Scooty Puff Sr. kept going in aline all the way to Devil's Hands but in the Devil's Hands I didn't know he actually got the devils hands and the devil got Fry's
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