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« on: 05-22-2000 10:44 »

Well that episode was great, but I noticed that when fry fell with his chair, there wasn't a nibbler shaped shadow... so the nibbler would've been essential for putting fry into the year 3000... So this proves that the nibbler shadow was really something that affected the outcome... Think about it

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« Reply #1 on: 05-22-2000 10:47 »

My God I think the boy's got something!!!

Nice thinking  smile

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« Reply #2 on: 05-22-2000 12:18 »

hehe, this board is really turning into a cool thing

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« Reply #3 on: 05-22-2000 13:02 »

Ok consider this...
Fry didn't travel to the future and so a hole in space-time was created. That doesn't really make sense at first because what happens in the future doesn't affect the past... now if you consider the nibbler theory (I'd like to call it the iZac theory heh heh) Now Fry must do something in the future that affects the past in order for a hole in space-time to be created. According to some theory I learned in physics class, every single event affects other events in the future... so Fry not going to the future would change future events drastically. Think of all the things that would have happened... Bender wouldn't have been in the suicide booth with Fry and probably would have killed himself... Leela wouldn't have realized that she wanted to quit her job... So they would have never worked at Planet Express. So Leela would have never found Nibbler and he wouldn't have pushed Fry into the cryogenic tube, this is actually called some kind of time dependency loop, but for the sake of being cool I would like to propose the name "The iZac Loop" heh heh. Anyway that's my theory. "The iZac Theory" if you will. Heh heh. (If most of this sounded like babbling gibberish, it probably is... I'm kinda stoned right now and I just think of weird things like that. I probably shouldn't read and watch so much science fiction stuff. Heh heh.)

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« Reply #4 on: 05-23-2000 00:45 »

Well, this is right, this means that fry has to go back to the past and change something, and that would make the time space problem... so if he didn't travel to the future he can't get back to the past again to do something important, maybe save earth... maybe soon we'll see a time travelling machine to the 20th century... only time can tell
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« Reply #5 on: 05-23-2000 00:46 »

BTW this was the Andie Theory
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« Reply #6 on: 05-23-2000 03:13 »

If Leela and Bender didn't meet until after Fry thawed out then what are they doing with the professor and Zoidberg when the worm hole opens up?
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« Reply #7 on: 05-23-2000 05:28 »

true... We'll call this the R. Hawks theory, no no better, the andie similon theory
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« Reply #8 on: 05-23-2000 15:29 »

In answer to the R Hawks theory, we don`t know EXACTLY what would happen in the FUTURE if Fry never showed up. If it was fate for Fry to be frozen and unite the Planet Express crew, then it was obviously fate for them to meet one way or another. Besides, it looks better for the sake of the show  smile
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« Reply #9 on: 05-25-2000 18:34 »

This is one of the most complicated things for us who have brains the size of peanuts! First of all, SCREW THE STUPID THEORY NAMES! I find that it makes them more confusing! Now according to the iZac theory, I mean the one that was first said  smile, Leela wouldn't have found Nibbler. That doesn't explain why Nibbler's shadow was in the twentieth century! Unless maybe the planet Nibbler was from progressed at an extremely fast speed, meaning it was around in the twentieth! Maybe Nibbler's age of five was inaccurate and he somehow was 1005! And there was a worm-hole when fry was tipping back on his chair, when you see Nibbler's shadow, which comes out of the worm hole! Maybe the wormhole appeared because there was some kind of override in the center of Nibbler's planet due to all the dark matter inside! Or, maybe the shadow was Nibbler's great, great, great, great, great.... grandfather's shadow, who was looking in the worm-hole also! My god, I've gone cross-eyed!
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« Reply #10 on: 05-25-2000 19:50 »

you guys give me a headache. i didn't go to bed last night and now it's almost 8pm the next night. I can't make sense of anything you people are babbling on about.
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« Reply #11 on: 05-26-2000 16:18 »

Sorry!  smile But do you guys think that it is possible? I am re-watching the episode, maybe it wasn't meant to be Nibbler's shadow!
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« Reply #12 on: 05-26-2000 16:33 »

After carefully watching it, as well as the end of Anthology of Interest 1, I see that there was nothing shown that could create the shadow, and it looks a lot like Nibbler's. However, why wasn't it in Anthology of Interest 1? They drew it out! It had to have been drawn origionaly on purpose! Maybe Anthology of Interest 2 will explain all of this!
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« Reply #13 on: 05-27-2000 12:37 »

Interesting, very interesting. I also noticed that there was nothing else that could have created the shadow in Space Pilot 3000. And if you wanna get even more technical about it, the shadow is cast from such an angle that Nibbler (or whatever looked like Nibbler) would have been standing on the table Fry was propping his feet on. If you look at it that way, Fry could have been pushed over by Nibbler...

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« Reply #14 on: 05-27-2000 13:50 »

yeah, that raises even more questions...
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« Reply #15 on: 05-27-2000 15:31 »

As a huge Nibbler fan, I checked the thing when I was watching the ep for the first time and I noticed the same thing then. I forgot it quite soon but this topic got it back to my mind. This has to be solved somehow or I can't get any sleep.....

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« Reply #16 on: 05-27-2000 20:42 »

Are you talking about Space Pilot 3000 or an episode caled "A hole in space time contiuing". Anyway can someone please make a framegrab of the nibbler shadow your talking about from ep 1.
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« Reply #17 on: 05-28-2000 01:46 »

you can see a framegarb here: http://nbn.morefuturama.com/media/framegrabs/pic001.jpg
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« Reply #18 on: 05-28-2000 16:14 »

Maybe the background painter just put that in to make it look more shadowy. But then after visiting all these fansites and thinking, "Oh, my, god! What kind of conspiricy [sp?] have I created here?!" took it out.

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« Reply #19 on: 05-28-2000 16:24 »

It certainly seems that Nibbler gave Fry the extra push in "Space Pilot 3000" which sent him flying into the "Hawking Chamber". Because Nibbler didn't seem to be there in "Anthology of Interest I" this would suggest that Fry was frozen as a direct result of Nibbler Pushing him.
Follow me?
Two other things:
This story was a video simulation by the proffessor's what if? machine so it could all be meaningless
Secondly, The guy in the "Hawking Chamber" that fry looks into had glasses on in "Anthology of Interest" and DIDN'T in "Space Pilot 3000"(!!!)
This is obviosly a deliberate clue by the writers/animators.
What should also be noted is that most of the writers are brainy, harvard graduate types so may have come up with this riddle right from the begining and are at this very moment laughing at us as we furiously try to work out this problem.
And if they are, full credit to them as it's showing a genius touch of writing!
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« Reply #20 on: 05-29-2000 05:34 »

But why is Nibbler missing if the Professor invented the fing-longer? Is there any relationship between the fing-longer and Fry not being frozen? Say hello to the Kaffee theory.  roll eyes
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« Reply #21 on: 06-01-2000 15:50 »

After examining Nibbler's shadow more thorowly, I created the Poppler Theory. That shadow may not have been Nibbler's. Yes, most of it looks like him, but where is his cape? I think it COULD be like a vase, or clay pot or something. Then again, why'd they get rid of it in Anthology of  Interest I? Must be a reason.
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« Reply #22 on: 06-02-2000 06:42 »

I think anyone who saw Nibbler's shadow in the first episode has probably seen Elvis, Mother Theresa's face in a bagel and that face thing on Mars...

It's just one of those things folks, and the reason it wasn't in the season finale? Someone fouled up in continuity..!

(Happens all the time on Star Trek - I  mean look at the damned Klingons for god's sake!)

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« Reply #23 on: 06-02-2000 10:48 »

It's not too easy to "forget" something, when you recycle material in a new episode, at least not in an animated series.

IMHO the person that's responsible for such things heard about the "Nibbler Y2K-Problem" (another theory name, year  tongue) and removed the shadow from the scene. That's not very complicated when they created the scene on the computer.
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« Reply #24 on: 06-02-2000 11:57 »

Well maybe it has something to do with the guy in the cryogenic tube. In the first episode Fry wipes away the frost from the tube and the guy inside doesn't have glasses on, but then in the last episode the guy does have glasses. Hmm???? Maybe the guy in the tube has something to do with this also? Maybe he has an effect on the future and everything that happens, but because he's wearing glasses it doesn't happen?? Heh heh I honestly don't know but thinking up stuff like this is fun.

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« Reply #25 on: 06-04-2000 06:27 »

Didya notice that the guy in Cryogenics in the Anthology episode had glasses
And in the first Episode he DID NOT?

im talking 'bout the guy in the freeser
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« Reply #26 on: 06-04-2000 08:34 »

yup,strange thing you`re describing
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« Reply #27 on: 06-07-2000 02:52 »

 
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Didya notice that the guy in Cryogenics in the Anthology episode had glasses
And in the first Episode he DID NOT?

im talking 'bout the guy in the freeser

I just said that exact same thing before you did you moron! Pfft. Damn winners... you're all the same. JUST LEAVE US LOSERS ALONE WE NEVER HURT ANYONE... and stop stealing our ideas.

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« Reply #28 on: 06-07-2000 05:19 »

Hey, did anyone notice that the guy in cryogenics in Anthology of Interest had glasses when in the first episode he didn't?

(Sorry, just had to say it iZac)
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« Reply #29 on: 06-11-2000 17:42 »

Come on people. Did any one of you seen nibler anywere near fry. I don't think so. I'm not even sure if they knew that Nibler will be in Futurama when they wrote the first episode.
And about the glasses:
Futurama makers just whated to put a joke and to see if people notice if they change any thing.

Now I have a theory that will contradict the theory that if, Fry would have been frozen instead of breaking the chamber, the hole in space time continium would be fixed.

The facts:
Fry should have been frozen at about 1st January 2000, 0:00. That already didn't happeen.
Now if they would freeze fry the next evening then the future would still be unchanged because he would have been frozen about 24 hours later and he already changed the future however small the changes would be.
Now a queston arouses why the hole in space time continium didn't show up in other episodes?
If Bender was a giant robot, a lot would be changed and it wouldn't be as it supposed to be.
And same thing about Leela killing people.

Here just some food for thought.
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« Reply #30 on: 01-26-2001 15:09 »

 
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Come on people. Did any one of you seen nibler anywere near fry. I don't think so. I'm not even sure if they knew that Nibler will be in Futurama when they wrote the first episode.

None of us saw Nibbler, but we saw Nibbler's shadow. What else in the world looks like Nibbler?
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« Reply #31 on: 01-26-2001 19:22 »

The shadow is a 2 dimensional projection of a 3 dimensional object, it could have been one of those moon patrol guys or it could have been just someone wanking, who knows, but I don't think its Nibbler cos that would be just too damn obvious.

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« Reply #32 on: 01-28-2001 03:54 »

 
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What else in the world looks like Nibbler?

you?  tongue

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« Reply #33 on: 02-22-2001 07:26 »

OK, I think after "The Day The Earth Stood Stupid," it's pretty obvious.

A member of Nibbler's race (probably not Nibbler himself) pushed Fry into the chamber to make sure the one man who could resist the brain swarm would be around when the brain swarm showed up on Earth.

Why doesn't the shadow appear in Anthology? Well, the simplest way to see what would happen if Fry hadn't fallen into the chamber is to see what would happen if the Nibblonian hadn't been around to push him.

Why does only Fry's what-if cause a rip in the space-time continuum? The Nibblonians, who are older than the space-time continuum itself, have wanted Fry to fall into the chamber since shortly after time began, so to prevent that could require not just changing the past in the year 2000, but changing the past in the year -15billion or so.

Or maybe it's just the fact that Fry is the only one who wants to change something that happened in the past; the other changes could all be in the present/future (or at least the very near past).

The biggest "what-if" question, which would be in Anthology II if I were writing it: If Futurama had a better time slot and more people saw how important Al Gore was, would that have affected the election? The answer: Of course not; Gore would have gotten an even larger majority, but Bush would still have been appointed president anyway, and the controversy would have been even bigger and caused us to miss even more Futurama.

So we should be thankful for the crappy 7pm timeslot.
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« Reply #34 on: 02-23-2001 02:06 »

i was really freaked out by Nibbler in "The Day The Earth Stood Stoopid"  tongue

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« Reply #35 on: 02-23-2001 02:39 »

Yeah, but... he was SOOOOO cute!
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« Reply #36 on: 02-24-2001 01:38 »

 
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Yeah, but... he was SOOOOO cute!

nibbler isn't cute...he's a freak...  tongue

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« Reply #37 on: 02-26-2001 22:10 »

 
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nibbler isn't cute...he's a freak...   tongue

Are those two mutually exclusive? I mean, Jenny Jones just did a show on normal people who want to date cute freaks.
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« Reply #38 on: 03-01-2001 01:52 »

 
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Are those two mutually exclusive? I mean, Jenny Jones just did a show on normal people who want to date cute freaks.

and you would know this because...?  tongue

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« Reply #39 on: 03-01-2001 03:30 »

 
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and you would know this because...?   tongue


Obviously because our well-informed friend watches Jenny Jones' head in a jar, on the HDTV.  It was better resolution than real life.

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