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Jesse X Barboza

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« on: 08-21-2003 19:33 »

I didn't know where else to put this.

Has anyone noticed episodes where the animation just doesn't seem right? I just got the Season 2 DVD today, and the animation for 2ACV02 "Brannigan Begin Again" is pretty horrendous at times. It's appalling how many times characters slip off model - Leela and Zapp particularly.

Another episode is 1ACV07 "My Three Suns", although this one's kind of divided - some spots look great, some spots look lousy. For instance, when Fry says "you might", or when Leela fights the Trisolians, the animation is fluid and well-done, almost theatrical. But when the Trisolians applaud Fry and splash into the sky, or when Gorgak rams into the door and turns into a puddle, the animation is poorly done and rushed, almost 30 frames per second sometimes, which is too fast for normal animation.

Anyone want to back me up on this?
PCC Fred

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« Reply #1 on: 08-21-2003 19:36 »

Both the episodes you're referring to were early in the show's run.  As with the Simpsons, the animation had flaws early on, but got better as the series progressed.

However even the later eps also have occasional flaws (the glow worm thingies in WNFHGB).
MrB

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« Reply #2 on: 08-21-2003 19:37 »

As for My Three Suns, when there is splashing or something to do with water, I'd imagine there would be more cels of animation since water reacts quicker and more "liquidy"  (Obviously)  than a human moves.  So compared to cels that feature humans,  or the Trisolians in human form, it may seem 'rushed'.
newhook_1

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« Reply #3 on: 08-21-2003 19:48 »

in "I Room Mate" they point out in the commentary that Fry's stomach changes size about 5 times.
Mercapto

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« Reply #4 on: 08-21-2003 20:05 »

The scene from "Mother's Day" where Fry is "attacked" by the coffee machine and falls to the floor sports some very freaky animation. Especially this frame.
spacepilot3000

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« Reply #5 on: 08-21-2003 20:16 »

Whoa. That's scary. Well, the color for Brannagin Begin Again was sort of weird after watching I Second That Emotion. The Fry was a little more tan than usual.
Kryten

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« Reply #6 on: 08-21-2003 21:01 »

Yow. That's bad. That's "original version of the Simpsons episode 'Some Enchanted Evening'" bad.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #7 on: 08-21-2003 21:05 »
« Last Edit on: 08-21-2003 21:05 »

Holy crap, that's so horrible that it's funny.  But it it lasts for one frame, and it might be more related to the squash and stretch thing with animation.  I really never noticed any bad animation before anyone mentioned the examples here.  Despite its flaws, Futurama is still the best ever animated TV show I've ever seen.

(edited for spelling errors.)
mitsu

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« Reply #8 on: 08-21-2003 21:39 »

*blinks* Wow.

Yeah, that is definitely squash and stretch. Even so- that frame is REALLY funny. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite that extreme. Still, I have to agree with Evil Fox Exec- Futurama is the best animated TV show.   smile

Also, I'd just like to add to the comments on the water- it's true, liquid is very hard to animate, especially in an episode so early on when the animators are getting adjusted to the look of the show. Gotta give 'em props for making up for it later.  wink
aslate

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« Reply #9 on: 08-21-2003 21:41 »

When listening to the commentaries it's so funny to hear them saying "Man, how awful was our drawing back then?".
winna

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« Reply #10 on: 08-21-2003 21:49 »

How did you see that one frame Mercapto, MAN THAT IS HILARIOUS....  I'm gonna look through the DVDs for that...
Vintage Dave

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« Reply #11 on: 08-21-2003 22:44 »

*My eyes!*
Venus

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« Reply #12 on: 08-21-2003 23:58 »

holy freaking crap. that is the best thing i've ever seen! i laughed for a good five minutes looking at that thing. I wanna frame it and put it on the wall!
Rage Dump

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« Reply #13 on: 08-22-2003 00:37 »
« Last Edit on: 08-22-2003 00:37 »

That image has warped my fragile little mind   smile

Looks like something you'd see on "The Ring"
Nixorbo

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« Reply #14 on: 08-22-2003 01:11 »

How about the entire deathboarding scene from Cryonic Woman?

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE LIGHTPOST???
El Zilcho

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« Reply #15 on: 08-22-2003 01:39 »

 
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Originally posted by Mercapto:
The scene from "Mother's Day" where Fry is "attacked" by the coffee machine and falls to the floor sports some very freaky animation. Especially this frame.
Well, I'm off to make an avatar.
mazaite

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« Reply #16 on: 08-22-2003 02:09 »

I will just do what everyone does when working with Rough Draft Korea and say. It was the Koreans fault. Keven Smith had a lot of colourfull language directed at R.D. Korea in the Clerks the animated series DVD's.
LAN.gnome

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« Reply #17 on: 08-22-2003 03:05 »
« Last Edit on: 08-22-2003 03:05 »

 
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Originally posted by El Zilcho:
   
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Originally posted by Mercapto:
The scene from "Mother's Day" where Fry is "attacked" by the coffee machine and falls to the floor sports some very freaky animation. Especially this frame.
Well, I'm off to make an avatar.

DAMMIT! Beat me to the punch, Zilchy! *grumble gumble*
El Zilcho

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« Reply #18 on: 08-22-2003 03:09 »
« Last Edit on: 08-22-2003 03:09 »

You can do one, it'll probably look better than mine. I made the lines a little too thick and i'm too lazy to go back and do it again.


EDIT: On second thought, I actually like my own attempt. Huzzah!
Gocad

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« Reply #19 on: 08-22-2003 03:21 »

I still think it's scary. Also, I never noticed this before...
alexvilagosh

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« Reply #20 on: 08-22-2003 06:44 »

I think it is scary too. Strange!
Beamer

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« Reply #21 on: 08-22-2003 07:40 »
« Last Edit on: 08-22-2003 07:40 »

I'm not sure if this classes as "off" animation or not, but most of the animation in Mars University (namely the Robots when they fall in to the water) looked quite poor frame-rate wise. Sure, it's still a great episode - but the animation was nowhere near the standard set by the episode made before it (A Flight To Remember).

Also, I personally thought that in Hell Is Other Robots, when Bender and Fry are walking through the bad neighbourhood - the scrolling is particularly jerky. Although that might be because they blew most of their budget for that episode on the awesome "electric field" scene.   smile
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #22 on: 08-22-2003 15:01 »

Did anyone else notice near the very end of 'Jurassic Bark' there's a head on view of Bender, and his eye compartment is totally off. I was annoyed they even let that air, it was not just off, it was way off, to the side.
El Zilcho

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« Reply #23 on: 08-22-2003 17:12 »

Hmmm, I have to check that one out. The only time I remember his eye compartment being off was the end of "Raging Bender".

I noticed in "Mars University", Guenther is slightly off-model when he says "with Chrissy." Later, Leela is slightly off-model, and she looks similar to the off-model Guenther. I think it's when she says "Fry, you'll offer him the banana" or something like that.
Rocketboy

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« Reply #24 on: 08-22-2003 19:57 »

In A Fishful of Dollars, When it shows the planet express crew on the first scene Bender looked chubby!
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #25 on: 08-23-2003 05:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Rocketboy:
In A Fishful of Dollars, When it shows the planet express crew on the first scene Bender looked chubby!

I noticed that too, his proportions were terrible.
sheep555

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« Reply #26 on: 08-23-2003 12:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Jesse X Barboza: [...]the animation is poorly done and rushed, almost 30 frames per second sometimes, which is too fast for normal animation.

No one's commented on this, so I will  smile

Nearly all of the CGI only scenes are 30 fps (or something around 30...either way, double the hand drawn fps), but I don't find this that noticeable.

I guess what you're referring to is the "speed up machine", which used to be a device that simply pulled the film through at a faster rate, making it go...faster.

It's now a digital plug in, which simply makes the animation run faster. It's possible to also speed up audio without losing the pitch, but it can sound a bit weird. The speed up machine is used in nearly all TV animation, in order to squeeze in as much as possible without cutting. It's noticeable in many episodes, such as the chase scene in "The Cryonic Woman".
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #27 on: 08-23-2003 19:59 »

Another complaint about The Cryonic Woman is the chase scene with the cars shooting at each other.  The CGI is so bad that it looks like a video game.
Beamer

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« Reply #28 on: 08-23-2003 23:09 »

This isn't as much as an animation error as it is a colouring error, but still - I'll put it here anyway (keep in mind that Bender's proportions were discussed earlier here too). Anyway, in Episode 2: The Series Has Landed, during the scene where Bender's neck is being cleaned - the inside of his visor-thingy keeps changing from black to grey.
Metallica

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« Reply #29 on: 08-25-2003 17:32 »

  that stuff is cool  can n e 1 freeze frame the really funny ones and post it?
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #30 on: 08-25-2003 17:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Beamer:
This isn't as much as an animation error as it is a colouring error, but still - I'll put it here anyway (keep in mind that Bender's proportions were discussed earlier here too). Anyway, in Episode 2: The Series Has Landed, during the scene where Bender's neck is being cleaned - the inside of his visor-thingy keeps changing from black to grey.

Also, there's a coloring error in 'Anthology of Interest I', just after Bender's What If story. The first shot of the Planet Express gang after, shows Scruffy with a brown mistoche, then in the next shot it's grey again  smile

PCC Fred

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« Reply #31 on: 08-25-2003 18:45 »

 
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Originally posted by Mercapto:
The scene from "Mother's Day" where Fry is "attacked" by the coffee machine and falls to the floor sports some very freaky animation. Especially this frame.

That's awful!  I say we bust Sarge Morton down to Corporal for this!

HawkingHole4001

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« Reply #32 on: 08-25-2003 20:59 »

 
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Originally posted by Mercapto: Especially this frame.


That was one of the funniest things I have ever seen. Ever.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #33 on: 08-26-2003 16:51 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
 That's awful!  I say we bust Sarge Morton down to Corporal for this!

He only worked on 4ACV, that's 2ACV  smile

Metallica

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« Reply #34 on: 08-26-2003 21:54 »
« Last Edit on: 08-27-2003 00:00 »

hey,  in the episode when fry gets the worms??  i cant remember the name of it but at one scene when leela is standing in a doorway something makes some of the frames for a half sesond get warped around her face  also later in that Ep.  bender at one scene looked wrinkled to me :/
Nixorbo

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« Reply #35 on: 08-26-2003 23:35 »

 
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Teral, be nice.  Don't make him suffer too much.

Incidently, who has the bloody knife now, anyway?

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Goldfish

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« Reply #36 on: 09-14-2003 10:40 »

Sorry to bounce this thread but look at these two frames from 'The cyber house rules' http://www.angelfire.com/space2/goldfish/cap119.JPG
Teral

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« Reply #37 on: 09-14-2003 15:01 »

Wow, good thing I didn't read this thread before today. Metallica wouldn't have made it out of here alive. Now that he seems to have left PEEL, I don't have to worry about criminal charges.

I'm sure I send the knife back to New Jersey after using it. Kryten probably have it, covered with getak's blood.

Anyway, the reason I read this thread is I noticed that Leela and Fry seems off model during most of "Luck Of The Fryrish"'s second act (the trip in old New York). Particular while riding the Bender-train, and the scenes just prior to that, when they look out over an area with the top of Chrysler Building. I'll get a framegrab later.
Goldfish

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« Reply #38 on: 09-20-2003 15:24 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
Wow, good thing I didn't read this thread before today. Metallica wouldn't have made it out of here alive. Now that he seems to have left PEEL, I don't have to worry about criminal charges.

I wouldn't be so sure about that...

Anyway, in my opinion, in Cyber House Rules when Leela is looking left or right of the camera she seems to have one eye (judging by it's size), possibly to save money/time by re-using old frames? Not way off but still...
Xmpel

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« Reply #39 on: 09-20-2003 15:42 »



Leela looks a little strange.
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