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sk8ghost
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« on: 08-21-2003 18:05 »

I don't know why the writers were trying to drag into the ground the misconseption of the word "irony" they even got it wrong themselves.
Bender tells the robot devil that it was not ironic but just a coincidence that the devil had to give up his hands. Bender just wasn't paying attention I guess.
Irony is an inconsistency between what is expected to happen and what actually does happen, and that whole scene was leading us to believe that bender was going to be the one who gets his hands switched with fry, but the devil ends up being the one. That actually is ironic. I dunno maybe in 1000 years irony is only used in literary terms.
More than likely some dumb writer was just trying to make himself sound smart.
I'm fired aren't I?
Shadowstar

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« Reply #1 on: 08-21-2003 18:07 »

Mmmmmm.... yep.
leelaholic

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« Reply #2 on: 08-21-2003 18:17 »

Yeah, I'd think so
Allen

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« Reply #3 on: 08-21-2003 18:20 »

I don't know about you, but the title would have told me Fry was going to switch hands with the devil. Given that it is a spinning wheel, it is coincidental that the wheel landed on the Robot Devil. The thing I found funny is Fry knew most of the robots on that wheel. This makes sense, his best friend IS a robot. The end squence is ironic in literary terms and actual used neaning in that no one outside the devil was expecting it. (Whether the audience knew it or not is another story.)
aslate

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« Reply #4 on: 08-21-2003 18:26 »

Bender: The use of words expressing something other then their literal intention.
Now that, is, irony.
sk8ghost
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« Reply #5 on: 08-21-2003 18:31 »

Ok sorry I forgot to say that irony has more than one meaning, and the show was trying to say that there was just one meaning.
Plus I didn't know what the title of the episode was, I just happened to catch the show on TV and if you'll pay attention to that one scene the devil was obviously making it seem like Bender was the one who Fry was going to switch his hands with.
nasteve

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« Reply #6 on: 08-21-2003 18:39 »

Irony is just sarcasm except its not bitchy. The wheel thing wasn't ironic because there's no reason why it shouldn't have landed on the robot devil rather than anyone else.

God i'm a loser.
sk8ghost
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« Reply #7 on: 08-21-2003 18:45 »

I'm talking about dramatic irony dammit didn't you people pay attention in high school.
PCC Fred

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« Reply #8 on: 08-21-2003 19:07 »

My dictionary defines irony as "event or situation the opposite of that expected".

Therefore the situation in the episode is not irony because if the Robot Devil was picking a robot at random, there would be no expected situation.
sk8ghost
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« Reply #9 on: 08-21-2003 23:52 »

Dammit you're still not paying attention.
You're so blind. BLIND TO THE SYSTEM!!!!
Nixorbo

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« Reply #10 on: 08-22-2003 01:16 »
« Last Edit on: 01-19-2004 00:00 »

 
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Originally posted by sk8ghost:
I'm talking about dramatic irony dammit didn't you people pay attention in high school.

Ooh!  I did!  I did!

Also, everyone should click that link before they try to tell anyone what irony really is.

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


"He has the special talent, though, of being able to help people and make them feel utterly stupid all at the same time. ... In short, he's a great moderator, but a terrible human being."
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Yorokobi

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« Reply #11 on: 08-22-2003 01:41 »

Some time ago Alannis Morrisette came out with a song that listed a number of tragic coniceidences and asked "isn't it ironic".  Some comedians had a field day with this.  Saying things like "now that you've made millions on that song, perhapes you can now go and buy yourself a dictionary"

I personally saw the "ironic" thread in the plot as being connected to that.

Maybe I'm wrong....
Slashco

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« Reply #12 on: 08-22-2003 02:12 »
« Last Edit on: 08-22-2003 02:12 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
 Ooh!  I did!  I did!

Also, everyone should click that link before they try to tell anyone what irony really is.


Ooh, *that* link certainly cleared things up! No really, I mean that. It seems that in the end, a definition of irony was provided by the very person who was trying to give one!
Britz

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« Reply #13 on: 08-23-2003 02:19 »

Jesus will you cut this newbie out like the tumor he is before he poisons our mind some more? I really, really hate people who fuck on about irony like they know what they're talking aqbout when they, in fact, know jack.
bob newhart

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« Reply #14 on: 08-23-2003 14:36 »

^what he said.
Mango

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« Reply #15 on: 08-23-2003 14:57 »

...my 7th grade english teacher told me that irony is when a dairy farmer goes to the Wawa to buy some milk.  I'm so confused!!  cry
edeltraut

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« Reply #16 on: 08-23-2003 16:22 »
« Last Edit on: 08-23-2003 16:22 »

 
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Originally posted by Britz:
Jesus will you cut this newbie out like the tumor he is before he poisons our mind some more?

I hate when people go on about "newbies" as if there's nothing they can contribute to a discussion until they reach a certain number of posts. Especially when the ones doing the complaining are fairly recent additions themselves. For your information, Sk8ghost has been a member of PEEL (under a different name) and off-and-on regular in the chat room since mid-2000.
zvoidx

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« Reply #17 on: 08-23-2003 19:41 »

 
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Originally Posted By Yorokobi:Some time ago Alannis Morrisette came out with a song that listed a number of tragic coniceidences and asked "isn't it ironic". Some comedians had a field day with this. Saying things like "now that you've made millions on that song, perhapes you can now go and buy yourself a dictionary"
I personally saw the "ironic" thread in the plot as being connected to that.

Yeh, I can see what you're saying...The A. Morissette lyric is: "It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife." That's not ironic, it's just unfortunate.
Kind of like when Bender made Leela deaf because of the horn; Bender: "That's not ironic, it's just mean!"
But, when you say "connected" to that...You mean that the whole comedians thing pointing out Alannis' song as being used incorrectly; you mean there was now a public awareness/problem involving the misuse of irony which the writers of Futurama were (still) addressing? Which, as you can tell by this board, is apparently still a problem.

**I suppose at this point, irony would be mArc, the Administrator, to post a message saying that HE's actually sk8ghost.

Britz

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« Reply #18 on: 08-25-2003 02:58 »

 
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Originally posted by edeltraut:
  I hate when people go on about "newbies" as if there's nothing they can contribute to a discussion until they reach a certain number of posts. Especially when the ones doing the complaining are fairly recent additions themselves. For your information, Sk8ghost has been a member of PEEL (under a different name) and off-and-on regular in the chat room since mid-2000.

Oh God do you really think I care? Would you just prefer I called him an idiot PEELer? It's not the number of powts it's how you use them, case in point idiots who post "second" in every thread (cough, Bent bob, cough) and please don't tell me your calling me recent just cause I got a low rank.
edeltraut

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« Reply #19 on: 08-25-2003 14:40 »
« Last Edit on: 08-25-2003 14:40 »

It's a problem at about any message board that new members get insulted just because they haven't been around as long as others. They may bring up perfectly valid points, but still get belittled for their low rank/post count and have their threads spammed by people who would normally know better. I may not be a mod, but I think I can speak for PEEL that we don't want that around here. It's not just my opinion, it's the rule.

Calling him an idiot isn't any better, since insults like that are also a violation of forum rules. Simply attacking other posters themselves instead of writing messages with actual content is a quick way to get banned.
Metallica

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« Reply #20 on: 08-29-2003 00:31 »
« Last Edit on: 08-29-2003 00:31 »

i agree im new and i have given some good statements--  ive never wasted a post and i dont spam  i think futurama kicks ass like 99%of the people here think too but when people take advantage of people who just found this site after being solid futurama fans (like me) since the beginning its just not rite---they may know more than u so  Britz--back off i got nothin against u but ur just being stupid----- THINK (this goes for all the people in here that dont care)   no no   oh  what is a spelling nazi?
Britz

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« Reply #21 on: 08-29-2003 03:37 »

Listen Barbra, first, no I am always right, wether you understand that or not is your problem, you although a completely bastardized speller, I have no problem with, keep it that way. And a spelling Nazi is something you are DEEPLY in need of by the way.

Edel, I don't give a flying one how new someone is as long as they're valid in opinion, this bloke is not, I couldn't tell you why but I have a REALLY BIG PROBLEM with people who fuck around with the definition of irony, dunno why, just have and frankly if I didn't change for my year 11 English teacher I'm not bloody likely to change for you. I am not a nice guy, but I'm a smart guy.
[-mArc-]

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« Reply #22 on: 08-29-2003 04:07 »

Well, either you change your aggressive attitude for me or you are off this site. This is the last time I warn you on that. I've seen enough.
If you want to tell someone to stop using chat abbreviations (u, ur), do it in a nice manner or leave it to others who can do so.
nekoreeve

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« Reply #23 on: 09-07-2003 10:41 »

Am I the only one that noticed that the Morissette song "Ironic" having references to things that are NOT ironic is, in and of itself, ironic?
jjjt

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« Reply #24 on: 09-07-2003 11:49 »
« Last Edit on: 09-07-2003 11:49 »

   
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Originally posted by sk8ghost:
I'm talking about dramatic irony dammit didn't you people pay attention in high school.

but that doesn't make me feel too good either......because i didn't!! burn!

maybe I don't like to be told what irony is when I already love the show too much? maybe there is no REAL explanation for irony (like how microwaves work or where babies come from)? maybe everyone IS ironic? you, my imaginary friends, old people.....
maybe my life, and by extension, everyone else's is


(No, get out...........


EDIT: and maybe it's ironic that 'We are free to disagree with the world's fattest man.' when we can't.......
Wesley

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« Reply #25 on: 09-17-2003 21:35 »
« Last Edit on: 09-17-2003 21:35 »

I think the wheel landing on the Robot Devil's name was most definitely ironic.  It was fairly obvious that Beelzebot had no intention of the wheel landing on his own name, but rather a robot that Fry knew (Bender).  Deals with the Devil are always rigged in the Devil's favor.

However, Bender saying it was not irony, merely coincidental, could also be seen as correct, because from Bender's point of view, he had no idea Beelzebot had planned to rig the result.
PCC Fred

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« Reply #26 on: 09-17-2003 21:36 »

If beezlebot had planned to rig the result, why did the wheel land on his name?  For that matter, why was his name on at all?
Wesley

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« Reply #27 on: 09-17-2003 21:37 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
If beezlebot had planned to rig the result, why did the wheel land on his name?  For that matter, why was his name on at all?
"You know, I only put my name on there as a show of good faith to the other robots."

Besides, if his name wasn't up there, the episode wouldn't exactly have been able to continue.
newhook_1

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« Reply #28 on: 09-17-2003 22:03 »

I don't know if you realize this, but Leela being deaf and Fry not knowing it (while the viewer did)was dramatic irony.
Prof. Wernstrum

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« Reply #29 on: 09-19-2003 16:59 »

In a sense, Bender was right when he said that the Robot Devil losing his hands wasn't ironic. Situational irony only applies to scripted work and from Bender's point of view, the event happened in real life and so was not ironic, just an unfortunate coincidence (Like all the things in the Alannis Morrisette song). Leela being deafened, on the other hand, wasn't even coincidental let alone ironic.
Nixorbo

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« Reply #30 on: 09-19-2003 19:16 »

 
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Originally posted by Prof. Wernstrum:
Leela being deafened, on the other hand, wasn't even coincidental let alone ironic.

Sure it was coincidental.  It could have been anyone Bender met first, it was just coincidence it was Leela.

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


"He has the special talent, though, of being able to help people and make them feel utterly stupid all at the same time. ... In short, he's a great moderator, but a terrible human being."
-SlackJawedMoron
JDHannan

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« Reply #31 on: 09-21-2003 01:22 »

mArc> you go girl!
britz> gfy and fod
nixorbo> yes it was ironic, leela wanted to hear fry's opera and finally wanted something to do with fry after all this time and now she cant do it when she wants to.  thats irony to me
NOW
the ironic thing is that when someone makes a deal with the devil, something goes wrong for the person and the seemingly great deal turns out to be teh suck.
now Fry made a deal with the devil and the devil got the screw job and Fry is rolling in dough (in theory)
now that... Is... Irony!
Nixorbo

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« Reply #32 on: 09-21-2003 01:49 »

 
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Originally posted by JDHannan:
the ironic thing is that when someone makes a deal with the devil, something goes wrong for the person and the seemingly great deal turns out to be teh suck.
now Fry made a deal with the devil and the devil got the screw job and Fry is rolling in dough (in theory)
now that... Is... Irony!

BING BING BING We have a winner.

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


"He has the special talent, though, of being able to help people and make them feel utterly stupid all at the same time. ... In short, he's a great moderator, but a terrible human being."
-SlackJawedMoron
green-gesus

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« Reply #33 on: 09-22-2003 22:34 »

Nixorbo, I always had a problem with the dfefinition for verbal irony. "When a character says one thing but means another." Thats closer to deceit, I think Benders definition is better for verbal irony
Nixorbo

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« Reply #34 on: 09-23-2003 00:36 »

"When a character says one thing but means another."
"The use of words expressing something other then their literal intention."

Wow, that says almost the same exact thing as me, only worded different/more extensively.
planetcutie

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« Reply #35 on: 09-23-2003 20:42 »

A good example of irony in action is "I can be impulsive, it just takes me a while."
JDHannan

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« Reply #36 on: 09-23-2003 21:10 »

a good example of irony is Futurama
90% of the jokes are pure irony jokes.
i dont know if this is irony, but a few years into The Simpsons, FOX was ready to fire all the voice talent and essentially kill the show, but they finally gave in and kept the show and it made them a hojillion dollars.
a few years into Futurama, FOX was ready to not pickup Futurama again... and they went through with it, and now they're desperate for shows
Luis

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« Reply #37 on: 10-03-2003 01:27 »

Now that's ironic... no, it's actually stupid and an excelent display of corporate irrationality. Anyway, I always though irony and sarcasm were the same thing except that sarcasm is passive-agressive, and irony could just pop-up unexpected. I think those two are better handled with examples, but i won't post any since most of us (i believe) can recognize both at eyesight and probably know more than enough examples yet.
Langly
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« Reply #38 on: 05-29-2010 05:07 »

D'oh typed something in the wrong window, and posted here by accident sorry.
had googled bender defines irony to find a video clip.
Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #39 on: 05-29-2010 05:26 »
« Last Edit on: 05-29-2010 05:27 »

I don't even try to define Irony, it's one of those little things in life that just screws with your head.

The only solid example I know is being run over by an ambulance.

Edit: after reading langlys post I just noticed the dates - I figured I hadn't seen most of these people before smile Sorry!

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