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Britz

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« on: 06-21-2003 04:27 »

I watched 'Where the Buggalo Roam' the other night, first time cause I'm Australia and there's that huge delay so if this topic's been done, y'know, my bad.

Is it me or does that epidoe make a huge point of smoking being a sign of manhood? Being an underage smoker myself I don't really give a flying if you smoke and at how old but I don't get how they got away with that one, Kif can't smoke so he's unmanly, the Marlboro Man is manly cause he does (yes, i get that that's a cariacture of what image the company's trying to sell.) Kif fails to prove his manhood by attempting to smoke, when he smokes the peace pipe and doesn't cough he's suddenly masculine, comeon, you gotta be shitting me, how did they get away with that and why did they do it? The message there ain't exactly subliminal to the teen-based audience.
Teral

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« Reply #1 on: 06-21-2003 04:40 »

It's a parody.

 They're mocking those comercials who try to convey an aura of coolness to smoking. It's RJ who say Kif is pathetic (and in essence unmanly) because he can't smoke, not the regular characters. Amy's parents think RJ is a real man, so naturally Kif try and imitate him, to impress his future inlaws. When Kif smoke the peace pipe succesfully, the other cheer because, well, there'll be peace.

"Don't be such a chicken Kif. Teenagers all smoke, and they seem pretty on the ball."

Considering how a bunch of American teenagers gave this episode the Black Lung Award, Zapp's line says it all.
Australian Guy

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« Reply #2 on: 06-21-2003 05:16 »

Brilliant line  laff

Although, there are a lot smoking refernces in futurama, Bender is a prime example. I wanna Take up Cigars now  tongue
Gocad

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« Reply #3 on: 06-21-2003 05:35 »

Not to mention what happened to "real" Marlboro Man...

According to the Audiocommentary, the real problem wasn't the "Smoking Cowboy", but the "Camel Alien".
It is also a proof that it is wrong to label Futurama as a "Kids Show"
mikey

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« Reply #4 on: 06-21-2003 09:29 »

Smoking Is just stupid. Call me old fashoned but my theory Is If you never start you dont have to quit.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #5 on: 06-21-2003 09:42 »

It's just really to make fun of the smoking companies.  I think Matt himself said that "the many smoking characters in The Simpsons and in Futurama are to show how it's taken over."  He wanted to make fun of it, if you will.  He also said "I know it's stupid, but could you see Bender not smoking?"

I don't smoke and I never will.  I tell ya, most kids my age are startiing to see how horrible it is.  I have a feeling less people are going to be smoking in the future. 
Sil

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« Reply #6 on: 06-21-2003 11:27 »

Did that one get the Black Lung award?? Ouch!

I think Matt at one point said that it was alright for robots to smoke because they don't have lungs.  I may be wrong though.
Australian Guy

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« Reply #7 on: 06-21-2003 13:19 »

Whazza deal with cigars, i thought you werent meant to breath in the smoke? I kno you can still get cancer from it tho
Bones

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« Reply #8 on: 06-21-2003 14:34 »

I think the episode was great, and i totaly got the parody. I think the type of person that would take the ep seriously deserves to think smoking is cool and kill themselves with smoke... or however it works. I think ppl who smoke are either stupid or weak willed. Either they dont want to give up (stupid) or they can't (weak willed). Call me judgemental if you must. Having said that I'm not totally anti-smoking, but i dont like it when others do it, i just put up with it, what else can you do besides hire a bunch of talented gnus to steal money from banks that hold money of tabaco companies so they all go bust and have to eat shoes cooked in the drier.
Sil

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« Reply #9 on: 06-21-2003 15:12 »

The thing with cigars is to take the smoke straight into your mouth and spit it out again - kinda like smoking at first.  Basically cos you like, die coughing if you take it into your lungs (that said, the only cigar I ever had didn't affect me at all and I *did* take it in.  Thats probably because I smoke too much anyway though.  Don't smoke, kids and adults! Cigars taste like cack anyway).  But you're right about the cancer - you just get cancer of the mouth or oesophagus instead of lung cancer!

And good for you bones for standing up for what you believe in! Could you spare me any of that willpower?  smile
Just Chris

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« Reply #10 on: 06-21-2003 20:00 »

 
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Originally posted by Australian Guy:
Whazza deal with cigars, i thought you werent meant to breath in the smoke? I kno you can still get cancer from it tho

A good deal of people enjoy imitating dragons and chimneys. Talk to someone about dragons off-guard, he might ask for a lighter.

FrysGIRL

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« Reply #11 on: 06-22-2003 17:44 »

 
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Originally posted by Futurama_Hil:
It's just really to make fun of the smoking companies.  I think Matt himself said that "the many smoking characters in The Simpsons and in Futurama are to show how it's taken over."  He wanted to make fun of it, if you will.  He also said "I know it's stupid, but could you see Bender not smoking?"


Don't you guys find it amazing that we ALL recognized the Marlboro Man and the Camel from the Camel cigarette brand. God, ads must be everywhere. I was 7 or so when I first saw the camel. He was playing pool with all of his other smoking camel buddies and he looked so...cool.

*FryGIRL takes a puff from her cigarette*

winna

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« Reply #12 on: 06-22-2003 21:48 »

"Have you met my friend Joe"
Australian Guy

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« Reply #13 on: 06-23-2003 00:56 »
« Last Edit on: 06-23-2003 00:56 »

"Kids love him"   laff

I too dont much care for smokers, but i like
having a large tubular shaped object in my mouth   tongue
At leest i can blame bender and micallef for being a poor influence.

My 18th is coming up so im gonna go and buy some

 
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Originally posted by Kerney:
Good evening My good man I am charles Dorwood,
In additon to this beer i would like three of your finest cheapest Cigars. Here is my Id which prooves my Adultivity


Fryvilous

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« Reply #14 on: 06-23-2003 15:44 »

What's this infamous Black Lung award?
Teral

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« Reply #15 on: 06-23-2003 17:21 »

My mistake, it's Futurama as a series who have been awarded the Black Lung Award.

From Tobaccofacts:
 
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Futurama: This show depicts life in the year 3,000. Itís hard to imagine cigarettes continuing to exist for the next thousand years but one of the main characters, Bender the robot, is a regular smoker.

The episode "Where The Buggalo Roams" have been awarded a Phlemmy (just as bad  wink ).

From United Press International:
 
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About 50 teens and young adults from the Sacramento area reviewed prime time network shows to evaluate their handling of tobacco-related issues. Shows that portrayed smoking as bad, or didn't feature smoking at all, get the Pink Lung Award, while those that show smoking in a positive light get the Phlemmy Award.

"The Bernie Mac Show," in which star Bernie Mac is often seen with a cigar, got a Phlemmy this year. So did the Emmy-winning animated comedy "Futurama," which pictured Marlboro and Camel brand cigarettes.

Both The Phlemmy and the Black Lung Award is given to shows/movies who portrays smoking in a positive light. I'm just as surprised as the next Futurama fans.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #16 on: 06-23-2003 17:28 »

Those people are pretty much idiots.  Futurama doesn't purseude me into smoking.  In fact, it makes it look even stupider.  In Where The Bugglao Roam it shows how stupid that guy who liked Amy was even if he was smoking.  I know that sounds a little weird, but it's true.
There are plenty of shows with people who smoke in them, and Futurama is not really heavy on it.  Besides, Bender doesn't even HAVE LUNGS!
Fryvilous

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« Reply #17 on: 06-23-2003 17:52 »

Heh, interesting information Teral.
winna

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« Reply #18 on: 06-23-2003 23:17 »

Bah, since watching Futurama I smoke 3 packs a day, and I've got my little stepsiblings smoking too.  And there's nothing *cough* *cough* wrong with any of us.  Wait a sec. I gotta go bury my dead brother....
beck

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« Reply #19 on: 06-24-2003 01:45 »

Come on, dudes! Smoking IS cool! And i'm not kidding like Winna here. Who care, what does a bunch of stupid Sacramento teens think (I mean that Phlemmy Award.)
Bender without cigar = 2-eyed Leela.

A big part of my love and respect towards Bender goes BECAUSE of his smoking habit (as you can probably guess from my avatar). I think, that your problem in US and W.Europe is really not smoking, but living in the world of ads (which is, unfortunately coming to us in Russia too).

What I mean is that you all keep saying that smoking is bad in the same way that your gramps or daddys said it's cool - you just watched different commercials. Why don't you open General Motors tread and tell there that cars are dangerous and your governments have to prohibit them - they use petrol (which causes WARS, converting it into POISON, which causes diseases, and f*ck! - they actually kill and cripple plenty of people every day in much more painful fashion that nicotine does.

Stop watching your TVs (sure, except Futurama), which keep sh*tting right into your brains. There is also a whole life around you, y'know! Or one day, being perfectly healthy, you'll find out, that your clear lungs don't really work when some f*cking Dodge Durango'll crash your bones through'em!

I smoke 1 pack of non-lights cigarettes a day since I'm 15, and never refuse to have a cigar now and then. And my lungs are just fine - I guess, because of pot, which is even cooler, than tobacco.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #20 on: 06-24-2003 08:24 »

Hey, I'm not going to ruin my body smoking and doing whatever else (like doing pot).  If you like it, fine.  I don't care. 
the_dudefather

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« Reply #21 on: 06-24-2003 09:12 »

half the reason i wouldnt smoke is the expense, i need money for videogames, cola and custard creams (im ADDICTED!) god damnit!

i dont drink for the same reason, and if i ever get drunk some day those ninjas will get me when im off guard, cant let that happen!
JDHannan

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« Reply #22 on: 06-24-2003 10:21 »

 
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Originally posted by beck:
Come on, dudes! Smoking IS cool!
A big part of my love and respect towards Bender goes BECAUSE of his smoking habit (as you can probably guess from my avatar). I think, that your problem in US and W.Europe is really not smoking, but living in the world of ads (which is, unfortunately coming to us in Russia too).
[HOMER] Hey, if you don't like it, go to Russia [/HOMER]
seriously, russia sucks almost as much as smoking does.  You can't say we should smoke because there are other things that are bad.  Thats like saying we may as well make murder legal because you're gonna die anyway.
Real Brilliant
I nominate beck for the WPOTM award!!!
even though its not his fault
EnJaDa

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« Reply #23 on: 06-24-2003 14:38 »

I don`t think that nobody is going to start smoking because Bender does.
If you smoke is just your responsability.
beck

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« Reply #24 on: 07-02-2003 01:01 »

Futurama_Hil
 
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Hey, I'm not going to ruin my body smoking and doing whatever else (like doing pot).

If you don't like it, fine. I guess, in N-Y you receive enough CO2 and other poisonous gases to perfectly ruin your body without smoking. I don't care though, baby from the Bronx  wink

JDHannan
 
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seriously, russia sucks almost as much as smoking does. You can't say we should smoke because there are other things that are bad.
What do you mean - Russia sucks?
Ever been here? Please explain.
And I never said the stuff, you wrote. The message of my post was -
 
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you all keep saying that smoking is bad in the same way that your gramps or daddys said it's cool.
- because the TV said so. I find it a bit disturbing, that people will beleive in everything, if you just repeat it to them for several times.
JDHannan

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« Reply #25 on: 07-02-2003 03:21 »

beck, wtf are u talking about? i quoted ur whole msg and then cut out the parts i didn't want.  don't say u never said the stuff i wrote cuz its all right there in black and white.
weirdo
beck

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« Reply #26 on: 07-02-2003 03:48 »
« Last Edit on: 07-02-2003 03:48 »

ur certainly a very nice person to talk 2, JDHannan. only a couple of minor disadvantages - u dont answer the questions, ur asked and your replies make a very little sense. otherwise ur ok, dude. see u again when we get alaska back, as we'll conquer your (sucking) country right after that.

oh, yeah, and your new signature (in last post) suits u just fine!
Grim

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« Reply #27 on: 07-02-2003 07:47 »

I'm 18, and I never smoked, but the other morning I woke up and remembered having a dream that night that I had smoked a shit load of cigarettes, now that I was awake I was craving a smoke.

WTF?
Australian Guy

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« Reply #28 on: 07-02-2003 08:08 »

Smoking is as dangerous as they say, i can appreciate your point but you probably could have articulated it better if you were better at english. Smoking is bad, Second hand smoke is less proven.
Grim

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« Reply #29 on: 07-02-2003 08:30 »
« Last Edit on: 07-02-2003 08:30 »

ok then-

I had a dream the other night that I had been smoking a tonne of cigarettes. I am 18 and have never had a smoke. When I woke up I had a strong craving for a cigarette.

What the Fuck?

Is that more easily understood   tongue?
Cube_166

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« Reply #30 on: 07-02-2003 08:49 »

I don't smoke, it's not because of the risks or the expense, I just don't want to be popular.
  tongue
Sil

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« Reply #31 on: 07-03-2003 10:30 »

Can I actually say - you are more likely to get cancer from eating a carrot a day, a pork chop a week or two cabbages a month than you are from secondary smoke.

I smoke, but away from everyone else - I appreciate that the risk to anyone else is low, but if they don't wanna smoke they don't want to be around me. Nuff said.

And can we stop with the mudslinging? It's a stupid thing to be arguing about.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #32 on: 07-03-2003 10:35 »

beck:

Actually, where I live- in the Bronx suburbs, the air is fresh and clean!

JDHannan

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« Reply #33 on: 07-03-2003 12:42 »

 
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Originally posted by beck:
ur certainly a very nice person to talk 2, JDHannan. only a couple of minor disadvantages - u dont answer the questions, ur asked and your replies make a very little sense. otherwise ur ok, dude. see u again when we get alaska back, as we'll conquer your (sucking) country right after that.

oh, yeah, and your new signature (in last post) suits u just fine!
wait a minute, you have TERRIBLE english, i've been speaking english (only) for 23 years and you're telling me that my replies make little sense?
The day a Russian takes over anything but a 40 of vodka will be a long LONG ways in the future.
I didn't care to answer your questions, you didn't reply to all of my post either.  Also, u didn't make any sense because despite the fact that i quoted stuff you wrote, you said you didn't write it.
Also, i did not HAVE a signature in any of my posts, so whatever ur problem is, see if your amazing Russian health-care system has a cure for it
Kryten

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« Reply #34 on: 07-03-2003 19:11 »

Okay, that's it. This has gone way off-topic and now it's dissolving into a flamewar, so I'm putting a stop to it right now.
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