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Nibblonian

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« Reply #80 on: 07-28-2004 20:02 »

Okay, I'm new to this site and a little confused about Nibbler's (or another Nibblonian's) appearence in the Cryogenics building. In SP3000, you see Nibbler's shadow on the wall, but no eye popping out of the wastepaper basket. Then in season four, I think it's in Jurrasic Bark, you do see the eye clearly sticking out of the trash can. What's up with that?
ShortRoundMcfly

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« Reply #81 on: 10-06-2004 21:26 »
« Last Edit on: 10-06-2004 21:26 »

I think this might have been some part of this unused storyline Matt Groening keeps referring to, maybe he goes back twice?


Or maybe he was just hiding in the garbage can for a little while and then jumped out and went under the desk. I can't quite remember the contrast of events between "The Why of Fry" and the pilot.
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #82 on: 10-07-2004 00:19 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2004 00:19 »

Ah, the joys of the link-bump.

My theory: Animator screwup, or...
...Actually, my other theory's kinda complicated and pretty much exactly resembles the premise of Allen Tanner's seminal fanfic, The How of Fry.  So read that instead of my vain attempts to make Starship Captain before Halloween without pissing off the mods.

EDIT: I'm now halfway there.
EDIT2: Is it sad that I edited once to go offtopic and then again to correct a spelling error?  I feel like George Lucas.
Local Jerseyan

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« Reply #83 on: 10-07-2004 11:40 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2004 11:40 »

Well, on Nibbler's age we don't know how Earth time and Nibblonian time match up. Five years to us might be hundreds to them. Who knows?
Hedonism Bot

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« Reply #84 on: 10-07-2004 12:08 »

 
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Originally posted by Nibblonian:
Okay, I'm new to this site and a little confused about Nibbler's (or another Nibblonian's) appearence in the Cryogenics building. In SP3000, you see Nibbler's shadow on the wall, but no eye popping out of the wastepaper basket. Then in season four, I think it's in Jurrasic Bark, you do see the eye clearly sticking out of the trash can. What's up with that?

The eye popped out of the trashcan in JB for the same reason that there were suddenly two shadows: Quantum fluctuations.

It's also another Nibblonian, for the poster (I forget who) who wanted to know how Nibbler could move so quickly.

Oh sure, blame the wizards...
M0le

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« Reply #85 on: 10-07-2004 21:24 »

 
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EDIT2: Is it sad that I edited once to go offtopic and then again to correct a spelling error? I feel like George Lucas.
Not really. I usually edit to correct my spelling.
I've also heard that apparently a lot of people missed the eyeball-in-the-trash-can in 'Jurassic Bark'. Surely this isn't so?
Nibblonian

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« Reply #86 on: 10-09-2004 09:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Hedonism Bot:
 The eye popped out of the trashcan in JB for the same reason that there were suddenly two shadows: Quantum fluctuations.

Well if there were two Nibblonians in the cryogenics building on December 31, 1999, wouldn't a Nibblonian have had to been in the brain sphere thingy in The Why Of Fry when Fry was blasted back in time?

My girlfriend had a car like that...actually, it wasn't hers, it was her dad's...actually, she wasn't my girlfriend, she just lived next door and never closed her curtains...
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #87 on: 02-28-2005 20:42 »
« Last Edit on: 03-01-2005 00:00 »

The new Nibbler topic that just got posted and locked reminded me of a theory that occured to me a while back.  It's based on the following dialogue from eveyone's favorite conspiracy source, The Why of Fry:
*fast forwards through DVD* *pauses for Leela towel scene* *continues fast-forwarding*
 
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Fry:Mightiness?  Are you off your nut?  I just got kidnapped by a bunch of guinea pigs!
*Nibblonians chattering*
Ken: Does he not know? *Looks accusingly at Nibbler*
Nibbler: He does not know. *shifty glance*
Fiona: *Surprised* He knows not?
Nibbler: Knows not does he.
Nibblonian3: Nought, he know--
Ken: *exasperated* Enough!
Ken: Fry, it is my duty to inform you blah blah blah...
Abbot & Costello -esque dialogue joke?  Or something more?

This conversation, looking at both the dialogue and Ken & Nibbler's expressions, seems to indicate to me that Nibbler was supposed to tell Fry about his status as the mighty one beforehand.*  Obviously, he wasn't to come out with the whole truth, since the Nibblonians were relying on him not knowing what manipulative bastards they were (see Act 2 of the above episode.)  Nonetheless, I postulate that he was witholding information from Fry against orders.

There are two questions that arise from this:

The first, and slightly less obvious of the two, is when was Nibbler supposed to clue Fry in?  During the ride to Planet Eternium?  Right after TDTESS?  When they met in Season 1?  Hell, maybe he was even supposed to introduce himself on New Year's Eve 1999, but he didn't and the whole "trying to hide Nibbler's interference there" was the Nibblonians as a group covering his ass.

The second question is the one most natural to humans: why?  Why would Nibbler go against what was expected/ordered of him?  Why wouldn't he reveal himself to Fry and inform him of his mightiness?  There are several possibilities:
1. Nibbler knows Fry too well.  He realizes that Fry might very well go nuts with his own sense of importance until Leela slapped some sense into him.
2. Nibbler doesn't trust Fry.  I'm assuming Nibbler is still supposed to stay hidden from the general populace of Earth, and he thinks Fry will expose him to prove his own importance (see above) or just out of stupidity.
3. Nibbler enjoys being a lapdog too much.  Let's face it, if Fry new, there is no way Leela wouldn't find out.  Not even sitcom dramatic irony can keep that kind of secret.  Hell, Fry probably wouldn't let him get away with being pampered so badly if he was aware of his intelligence.
4. Something more sinister.  It is otherwise personally advantageous to Nibbler to act in utter secrecy.  For what purpose, I do not know.

I'm back, but I'll wait for discussion anyway...if anyone even pays attention to this. Also, a couple notes:
-For the uninformed, the male Nibblonian leader apparently goes by Ken, and the female Fiona.  I don't know why, so don't ask.
(Personally, I think Teral or JBERGES or somebody just made it up.)
-Sitcom Dramatic Irony is , , and 2004 by Tongue Luck.

*Alternate theory: Ken & Co. expected Fry to figure it out from the events of TDTESS.  However, a) they know he's a moron, b) this doesn't explain how they expected Fry to recognize them as smarter than guinea pigs, and c) this implies Nibbler didn't report the whole truth about that incident anyway.  Also, my theory's more fun.
Venus

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« Reply #88 on: 03-01-2005 06:15 »

Ken and Fiona are the actual names. It comes up somewhere in the dvd, i think during a commentary.
winna

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« Reply #89 on: 03-02-2005 17:24 »

I'm going to have to go with #4 on your list there Nerdo... I've been postulating my own theory on the whole backstory for some time now... Look back in all the old threads about the subject to see that I really did.  Anyways, in most of the cutscenes where Fry falls in the Cryogenic tube (circa 1999) we see Nibbler's shadow.  Then with TWOF we see Nibbler and Fry's shadow (and them obviously).  But in.... Jurassic Bark (which aired before The Why of Fry and had the Nibbler/Fry shadows first) there's something suspicious: A Nibblonian eyestalk in the garbage can.  Could this be Nibbler hiding?  I doubt it, since he's hiding under the desk.  My theory is that there's a rogue Nibblonian acting on his own mission, possibly to stop Fry from going back to the future.  I'm not sure how this all pans out though, since the series got cancelled, but I suspect Ol' Nibbler has an evil Twin, or at the very least a cyborg zombie nazi ninja wizard clone....  Just something to think about.
Venus

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« Reply #90 on: 03-02-2005 18:38 »

Evil twins are so cliche. Make it an evil third cousin twice removed and i'm sooo there.
bish

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« Reply #91 on: 03-03-2005 11:02 »

i think you're all over complicating this. i reckon that the "he doesn't know?" bit was put in just for the joke. i am also quite sure that in one of the commentary's that someone states the eyeball in the garbage belongs to nibbler, thus making SP300, TDTESS, JB and TWOF a kind of linkable mini-series. However, i will check that about the commentary.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #92 on: 03-03-2005 19:55 »

I think that it is another Nibblonian, perhaps Ken, making sure that Nibler goes out with his mission.
winna

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« Reply #93 on: 03-04-2005 06:09 »

They'd be a mini-series linkable on the side story anyways.  But there's a rogue Nibblonian there for sure.  For one, as I stated Nibbler is under the desk, he has no need to hide in the trashcan.  Two, there isn't enough time for him to make it from the trashcan which is on the side of the desk to the underside of the desk.  Thirdly, Nibbler would make noise going from the garbage can to the underside of the desk which could possibly ruin his mission and alert Fry's attention.  There are two Nibblonians in that scene.  I suspect that the eyestalk is owned by none other than: DUND DUN DUNNNN: Nibbler....  And you're going, but winna, you just said it wasn't Nibbler in there.... and so I did.  There's a time paradox occuring here though, in which entities from different parts of the timestream are coming together, ie future Fry from TWOF...  My suspicions are that at one point in the time stream, Nibbler either A)goes Rogue and has his own plan for the fate of the Universe or B)is superceded somehow by the brainspawn and used as a puppet for evil deeds.  Next to fill in my plan is that Fry is supposed to be the only one that can travel back to that particular point in time.  My guess is he isn't... and that a MORE EVIL Nibbler had traveled through the timestream as well.  Thusly, Fry is his own grandpa, and Nibbler is himself.... only EVIL!
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« Reply #94 on: 03-04-2005 22:04 »

Okay, I have to say, that's one of the most conspiratual(is that even a word?) theories I've ever heard. I think the Brainspawn/Nibbler part could happen, but I think that it's quite weird, for them knowing that to be the last season. I just think that it isn't a conspiricy, but either a drawing flaw or another Nibblonian making sure the mission is completed. Maybe Nibbler was rouge and they changed him and wanted to make sure he wasn't still rouge.
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #95 on: 03-05-2005 00:12 »

Okay, I don't mean to be rude, but I have to say it.

Rouge n. (roozh) 1. makeup consisting of a pink or red powder applied to the cheeks from the French "rouge"
Rogue n. (rohg) 1. a deceitful and unreliable scoundrel 2. Best mixer class in D&D 3rd Edition 3. English's #5 mispelled word.

That particular typo just annoys me more than any other. 

And yes, these are just conspiracy theories that us fans are making up to pass the time until we get some real explanations, e.g. new shows.  winna, as he is prone to, got maybe a bit enthusiatic.  I like his theory though; it's plausible, it's fun, and it's probably not anything that the writers or animators intended.  That's why it's a theory.

Perhaps my new signature explains it best, even though it doesn't specifically refer to Futurama:

"Finally, I get to save the Earth with deadly lasers instead of deadly slide shows."

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winna

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« Reply #96 on: 03-05-2005 03:25 »

Listen, I've been developing the idea for like... 3 years before you even joined mister!  There is no enthusism at all... just the truth, and it's out there... I'm not sure where, cause I looked the other day, but I'm trusting no one on this.... and that's what made all the difference.
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