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Grim
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If fry is there to watch himself fall into the freezer-doodle, then its likely that he and nibbler travelled through time, dont believe there are 2 frys in the room, look closely at the flashback footage in Jurasic Bark
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by Venus: nibbler can't have existed since the begining of time. the've already established that he's 5 years old. Said by a ditzy veterinarian, who might've taken one too many gazelle kicks to the head. Also it would only be true if Nibbler was anything like a common tree, so I wouldn't put to much faith in that. I agree with the idea that Nibbler wasn't on Vergon 6, by pure chance. In "The Day Earth Stood Stupid" he is called "Lord Nibbler, Ambassador to Earth, home of the pizza bagel". I think Nibblers primary task is to protect Fry, and warn the Nibblonians when the Brain Spawn arrives. Going to Vergon 6 was just an oppurtunity presenting itself, and Nibbler grabbed it. Since he hasn't much else to do, but getting tummy rubs by one-eyed, alien babes, he doubles as Nibblonian ambassador to Earth as well. Originally posted by PCC Fred*: You know the Nibblonian shadow in "Space Pilot 3000"? Well I'm pretty sure it's not there in "Jurassic Bark". No, but a Nibblonian eye is seen in the trash can.
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DoctorIn
Crustacean
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Nibbler: In the time it would take to pronounce one letter of my true name a trillion cosmoses would flare into existence and sink into eternal night.
Wouldn't we have to assume that in order for Nibbler to know his real name, it would have to have been spoken at some point. Thus, we can conclude he is at least as old as the average lifetime of a trillion cosmoses. Unless, of course, the Nibblonians are prone to hyperbole.
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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He did say that he use the name Nibbler for Leela's sake, because ..blahblah-trillion comsoses-blahblah..., wouldn't that indicate thatLeela would be unable to pronouce his real name, but Nibbler could do it easily. What intelligent race give themself names they can't pronounce?
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DoctorIn
Crustacean
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He didn't say he couldn't pronounce it, just that it would take a very long time.
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Killerfox
Professor
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i definitely think that nibbler was one of the first nibblonians cuz you can see in "the day the earth stood supid" that the nibblonians have a big respect for him.
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Lurrr
Professor
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Hi, I'm brand new here but I've got another point to add to this. In 'Anthology of Interest I' in Fry's story he doesn't get knocked into the cryo chamber- but there is no nibblonian shadow either (I've checked this so I'm certain). And as a result of this, Fry destroys the universe- another possibility?
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Administrator
Liquid Emperor
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Here's the long description of "The Why of Fry": When Leela gets swept off her feet by Mike, an aide to the Mayor, Fry falls into a deep funk thinking that she could never like a non-important guy. Adding to Fry's funk, a bizarre genetic abnormality is discovered that qualifies him for a mission to save the world. While on this mission, we learn what really happened on Dec. 31, 1999, the night Fry was frozen. Meanwhile, Mike says "no" to a free day at the skating rink, and Leela realizes Fry is much more to her than she ever knew. Doesn't tell too much regarding the Nibbler thing though.
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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Lord, schmord! Today you can buy yourself a title. Anywho, how I currently see the Nibbler timeline (techinically not a spoiler, but just in case) : 17 years before Big Bang: The Nibblonians evolve.
1 millisecond after Big Bang: The Brain Spawn arrive
Realising what a terrible threat the Brain Spawn is, the Nibblonians wage war. Also realising they're quite powerless against the stupifaction rays they resort to damage-control and deception.
At some point Nibbler is born, "The Day Earth Stood Stupid" indicates that Nibblonians reproduce, and the fact that Nibbler isn't a member of the Council indicate he's not one of the elders.
After Fry is born the Nibblonians learn of his unique brainwaves, and know he's the weapon that can defeat the Brains. Having lost touch with the exact location of the Brain Spawn, they decide to wait until Earth is attacked, which the calculate will be sometime around 3000 AD.
Nibbler is sent to Earth in 1999, make a prank call to Panucci's Pizza for a pizza delivery to Applied Cryogenics, and prepares for Fry's arrival. It's no coincidence the only free tube is right behind the chair, Nibbler arranged for that. And he also tilt the chair so Fry get caught in the tube.
For the next 1000 year the Nibblonians take turn in guarding the building with AC, and protect it against alien invasions (probably cloaking fields and holoprojectors are used).
When they learn about the tax-dedutable mission of charity to Vergon 6, they know it's a perfect oppurtunity. Nibbler travel to vergon 6, charms Leela and get the perfect position to protect Fry.
Stuff in TDESS happen, and everything is well.
The Big Brain figures out how Fry tricked him, and seeking revenge for the death of his race he travel to 1999 to kill Fry, or at least stop him from going into the future. Through time paradoxes, this would give the Brain Spawn the ultimate victory.
Nibbler contacts Fry, and together they travel into the past to combat the Big Brain. The showdown is in Applied Cryogenics. Future-Fry and Nibbler hide (in the waste basket and under the tabble respectively), and after past-fry is frozen the Big Brain show up, to sabotage the tube. After a struggle worthy of 5 Klingon operas the Big Brain is defeated.
While Nibbler eats the brain, Fry take a look at his past self in the tube, say "see your in the future, pal" and they travel back to 3002. Ofocurse soemthing might change after "The Why Of Fry".
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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::knows clampy's mental state, but is bound by his proffesionel oath of secrecy:: Originally posted by Gocad: @Teral: Any plot that relies on a time paradox is doomed to fail.
And that's 50% of the explanation why "Star Trek: Voyager" sucked.
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Hodgie64
Poppler
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If you think about it, then there probably is a reason why the person in the Cryo tube that Fry wipes is different in AOI1 than SP3000, from a budget perspective, if there was no need to re-animate this scene then they would just of cut the footage straight from SP3000, as would of saved a fair bit of cash...the real question in this ep is if Fry didnt go to the year 3000, how did Bender (who would of used the suicide booth) and Leela (who never would of quit) wind up with Zoidberg & The Proffesor?
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Lurrr
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There are many reasons why Voyager sucked. Mainly because Gene Roddenberry wasn't inolved in making it. And on the subject of time travel, isn't Enterprise falling into exactly the same trap?
@Godcad: Thanks for the welcome btw!
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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Never seen Enterprise, but I'm told it's disappointing.
Gene wasn't really involved in DS9 either, and some say he was against the idea, and look what a marvelous show that was.
But, uhh, back on track.
Too bad Nibbler didn't fall into the youth-mud in the last ep, we could've gotten an indication as to what his real age is.
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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Well, I've been thinking about it, and here's my opinion on what I would like to happen. Not-real-but-potential-spoilers-ahead: We start out in the Year 3003, with poor old Fry not in the best of times. He's at a low point in morale, feeling very alienated from the world of the future, and to top that, Leela's just started dating Mike. Another setback to Fry's infatuation with her, pushing him to the very edge of giving up and reconciling himself to the fact he's destined to be lonely in the future. However, strange things start to happen and Nibbler appears to tell Fry that a temporal event has occured, which is affecting the future and threatening the world's very existance and is connected to Fry being in the future. However, Nibbler is unable to pin down the exact date of the disturbance, except that it's the last week of 1999, and it has something to do with the Brains (and Fry's immunity to said enemy). Nibbler therefore takes Fry back to December 25th, 1999, to "stakeout" the period and wait for the event to occur. While in the past Fry witnesses his last family Christmas, which (while far from perfect) reminds him of everything he left behind in the 21st Century. Over the next week, nothing happens and Fry begins to wonder if the event will actually occur, and begins to be tempted by returning to the past. Of course, he has to remain out of sight of his former self and try not to cause suspicion that there are in fact two instances of him. (remind anyone of BTTF2? ) Nibbler finally realises that the event is going to happen on January 1st, 2000, the instant at which Fry is frozen. So Nibbler and Fry wait at the Cryogenics lab for past Fry to arrive, at which point Future Fry swops places with Past Fry (who is deemed too important to the space-time-continuum to risk) - who witnesses Future Fry falling into the tube and is thus shocked. At this point, the Brains appear and attempt to destroy the Cryogenics building. But Past Fry (with some help from Nibbler) defeats the brains once and for all and Future Fry is reawakened. Past Fry is refrozen to restore the timeline. Nibbler reveals that he was the one who brought Fry to the future in the first place for his genetic abnormality, but now the brains are defeated, Fry can either stay in the past or return to the future. Fry is unsure, but at the last moment (aw) decides to return to the future to try to continue to win Leela's heart. However, he does request one thing of Nibbler; the chance to say goodbye to his parents (although not his brother, as he realises that would interfere with the progress of the Fry family). Nibbler takes Fry to a point just before his parent's death, where he gets his chance to say a final goodbye. Finally, Fry returns to the future and the space-time continuum is restored. Yes, I know there are probably a whole load of plot holes, and there are bits I've glossed over, and a whole heap is from various movies (First Contact, Back to the Future, etc) but it's my imagination and I'll imagine if I want to. And Voyager wasn't that bad, it just got ruined after the end of Season Four. "Unity" was a great Borg ep (as were the two "Scorpion" eps) as was "Year of Hell" ). I quite like Enterprise; but then I'm not one of those people who believes every single fact has to match already given facts (I love trying to explain them away ). As for DS9, I don't know why, but I'm not too keen on it. I recognise it's a great show and it deserves better than to be ignored, but there's just something about it which I can't pin down which I don't like as much as I did about Voyager's early years. It's probably due to a hard-core set of DS9 fans who go around saying DS9 is the best Trek series ever (without the IMO quantifier ) - an accolade I feel should go to TNG. And in an attempt to get back on topic, I guess we'll find out the answer to "The Why of Fry" queries this Sunday (hopefully).
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