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HellsCream

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« Reply #360 on: 05-26-2005 15:37 »
« Last Edit on: 05-26-2005 15:37 »

Well ok ok i should have put it differently... what i meant was that time travel is CURRENTLY impossible and therefore we have no way of knowing its laws so we have no one universal known law for time travel, so the answer to that question would depend on which theory about time travel you use.
I still don't think time travel will ever be possible, at least in the form that it is in the movies and such (where people just pick a date and go there) but i guess i can't completely rule out the possibility. I have to admit i didn't perfectly understand that wormhole thing, but if i understood any of it you can't choose to which time you go or anything. the wormhole theory does however fix the problem of the earth's position that is so obvious with the time machine theory, as the wormhole moves (as opposed to time machines which would have to calculate the difference between the earth's position in the current time and the time being traveled to and move you back to earth, otherwise you'd just end up in space where the earth was/will be in the time you're traveling from).
hope at least some of it made sense =P

ooh my first TOTPD    big grin

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Shiny

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« Reply #361 on: 05-26-2005 22:27 »

 
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now i say that the two instances of bender will share memories because they are made out of completely identical parts. the true question is, will the parts that are made be a copy of the existing parts....as you can see this creates quite a debate. 

They are not made of completely identical parts...for one contains information (and all the pathways and effects that information has created in memory storage) that the other does not.  In addition, the buried Bender head has been through 1000+ years of wear and tear.  The sub-atomic particles Bender's head is made of will have lived & died and changed position, so that (while being indentical enough on a macro-level), they are no more identical than two lab-grown diamonds of the same size and cut.

The ones and the zeros in buried-head-Bender have no way to jump across space and suddenly appear in suicide-booth-Bender's head.  I'm sure if Young Bender dug up his buried head, he could plug himself into his counterpart and share information, but without a connection of some sort, there's no way we know of for the memories to get from one Bender head to another.

Pikka Bird

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« Reply #362 on: 05-26-2005 22:37 »

 
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Yadda yadda blabla wormhole yadda bla bla...

 
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird:
Besides, anyone who believes the current popular theory of wormholes are bound to be hollowskulls.

Also, wormholes weren't invented, the bogus theory was just conceived.
Descon

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« Reply #363 on: 05-26-2005 23:22 »

wormholes were invented/concieved by a physicist whom helped with the book that made the movie "contact" while developing a way to travel huge distances in a short time.

so anyways, shiny, you think that there would be two instances of bender that are unrelated. where i think that because they are the same parts from the same metal (etc) that when the new bender is made it would be a copy of the existing one, in order to keep from there being 2 seperate benders.

but again, time travel is a tricky thing, and who knows if it will ever be able to be explained fully. also, hellscream, you are right, you cannot choose when you wish to travel back to, the distance betweent the two ends of the wormhole remains constant. say if they were 10 years apart, in 2000 one would be in 2010, where in 2050, the other would be in 2060.  its really a tricky subject
CombienReaction

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« Reply #364 on: 06-05-2005 06:07 »
« Last Edit on: 06-05-2005 06:07 »

A minor bump, but I'm hoping I can explain this...

In my eyes, time is like a straight line. Forget everything you learnt in "Back To The Future", forget everything you've learnt from "The Terminator" and definetly forget everything that 90's "Lost In Space" movie 'taught' you. There's no alternate realities created by altering the past with the Planet Express crew arriving in the 50's.
In 1950, Bender is left behind and is buried in the sand. The Planet Express crew return to 3002 and discover Bender in the ground after over 1000 years. After the 1950 time-hopping, in 1999 Fry (who will later go on to travel back into the 50's) is frozen. During his freezing, in 2996 Bender is made (the same Bender who will travel back to the 50's and be buried), in 2999 Fry meets up with Bender. They have never met before. In 3002, Fry accidentally causes a rip in time and the crew go back to the 1950s. Clearly, this isn't a "one-time" thing, it's always happened. Fry even mentions "that ship that landed in Roswell... was us", demonstrating the fact that Fry had actually heard about what his future crew had done in the past, without actually knowing he was involved. Clearly demonstrating the fact that there are no alternate realities made and there is always one Bender who is active, and both the Benders (the one in the ground and the Bender who will later be buried) are the exact same person. They have the exact same authorisation code, the exact same memories of meeting Fry and the like. 2996-3002 there is two Benders. The one in the sand (who is the future version of the other one) and the one whom Fry will meet up with, and later unearth.
My theory doesn't make much sense when you just scan read it, or read it fully for that matter, but I see it in a similar light to how I poorly explained it. The two Benders in 2996-3002 is the hardest part to understand. You've got to take in the fact that the buried Bender, is the eventual version of the other Bender, and that's why when the active Bender goes back to 1950 and is buried, there's not two Benders in the ground...

I really hope that made sense...
Krokei

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« Reply #365 on: 06-05-2005 06:12 »

yes, but it kind of cocks up everything that Doctor Who has taught me.
IamBender

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« Reply #366 on: 06-07-2005 00:24 »

In 30% Iron Chef:

This is quite minor but did anyone notice when Zoidberg broke the model ship and tried to fix it with glue, that he put the glue on his front side only and still stuff stuck to his back.

TheGlob

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« Reply #367 on: 06-07-2005 00:35 »
« Last Edit on: 06-07-2005 00:35 »

what??? i think i saw that
Descon

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« Reply #368 on: 06-07-2005 00:55 »

@CombienReaction
good theory, so you just think that there will be 2 instances of bender. its really hard to say, as no one has done it. but whatever, its a cartoon lol.

i think that the best running gag in futurama regarding time, is the 'time is cyclical' gag. This is not so much a joke as a continuation of string theory. just taking a stab at it though, they might be wrong in thinking that time is linear. after all, space can be bent, why not time?
IamBender

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« Reply #369 on: 06-07-2005 22:32 »

Oh and another goof was in the Cyber house rules when leela's fake eye was put on with a marker. she still is able to move it most of the time.
Shiny

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« Reply #370 on: 06-08-2005 18:42 »
« Last Edit on: 06-08-2005 18:42 »

@CombienReaction

You still haven't said how the old Bender's set of memories get to the young Bender's head.  For instance, before he was made, where is this second set of memories?  Floating in the ether, waiting for the Bender Brain to be built?  Or did they copy themselves somehow into the molecular structure of the various metal and silicon and whatever ores that would eventually be made into Bender's computer brain?

Even if you assume linear time, you are also assuming separate bits of matter - or there would not be two Bender heads at the same time at all.  Why do you treat the matter of Bender's head as being separate but the information IN Bender's head as being wholistically "together?" Information, in a computer, is merely patterns of on and off switches in sequence. How can the patterns be replicated on a second databank without some kind of communication between them?

Is it because patterns of ons and offs seem less like physical objects than plates of metal?  Or are you assuming that Bender has a spiritual life, and the separated parts of his soul naturally communicate despite any distances invovled?
CombienReaction

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« Reply #371 on: 06-09-2005 11:13 »
« Last Edit on: 06-09-2005 11:13 »

No-no-no-no... you completely have misunderstood. Bender was made in 2996, with no memories of anything. He meets Fry three years later and a few years afterwards goes back in time and is left behind. The exact same character is unearthed a few days after he went back in time. It's the exact same Bender, only 1,000 years older.

Yes, at one time there is two Benders, but they both have different "thoughts". Bender who was just made will be completely unaware of his future self being buried.

Bender being buried is sort of like the DeLorean being buried in Back To The Future Part III. No one from 1885-1955 knew about it (and at one instance there was 4 DeLoreans in the same time zone!), and nothing was effected by it's presence. Although, the entire Back To The Future trilogy has a completely different view on time travel, the same "thing" occurs when the same things are in the same time-zone: nothing.

I'll reiterate what I mentioned before, clearly, time is linear in said episode. Fry mentions the Roswell Alien Sighting was them; therefore obviously it has always been like that. And if that UFO crash was always the Planet Express crew, and 90's Fry had always known about it (although, unaware it was him), then he's always been his grandfather; and Bender has always been in the ground.
Descon

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« Reply #372 on: 06-10-2005 16:50 »
« Last Edit on: 06-10-2005 16:50 »

i guess this boils down to: if i travel back in time, do i become my younger self? or am i the age that i am now, looking at my younger self.

the first one would not work, as of course the characters are going back in time to before they were born. (except for in fry's EXTREMELY odd case)

If you read anything about physics or are at all interested, the idea that both benders share memories comes from the quantum entanglement theory, where two of the exact same atom can exist in two areas at the same time. the frequency at which both atoms are vibrating is the exact same, in bender's case, his head would be "vibrating" in a manner identical to the other instance of his head, actually copying the exact memories and the like into both instances.

i know this doesnt make much sense, but take physics 30 (if your albertan and canadian, i dont know what the american/UK/anywhere else equivilent is)and it should be alittle more clear to you
CombienReaction

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« Reply #373 on: 06-10-2005 17:24 »

If you travelled back in time, you'd stay the age you are. You'd be able to encounter your past self.

The two Benders wouldn't share thoughts/memories... look at it this way: right now you're reading this post. You're probably thinking "boy, this is complicated, I'm never going to understand this". Tomorrow, you decide to build a time machine and you go back in time to see yourself reading this post. Your past version is unaware of your presence, and he'll still be thinking the same things you thought of the previous day. Now, if you were spying on your past self, you wouldn't be thinking the same thing you thought in that time period, would you? The same thing goes for the Benders.

I understood what you said, perfectly. The thing is I don't think I'm explaining my theory very well. The two Benders don't fuse memories or anything, it's just like they've never went back in time; except that there's an older Bender in the ground...
Descon

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« Reply #374 on: 06-12-2005 18:08 »

i know what your trying to say, im just stirring the pot. now here is a connundrum that will get you:

i have 2 ends to a worm hole, one is set 1 second in the future. now if i am playing pool with the ends of the worm hole on the table, my cue ball aimed at one, and the other end of the hole aimed at my cue. now if i go to hit the cue ball into the hole, because the other end is one second ahead, my cue ball from the future comes out the other end and hits the present one off of its course. but wait, does it? because if it goes into the future it has to go into the hole, but if it does..then it knocks the present one off course, disallowing it to happen..
there is a time paradox that leads me to belive that time travel will never be possible for humans.
CombienReaction

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« Reply #375 on: 06-13-2005 12:54 »

Well, in that case... uh, the universe would, uh, implode.

The ball couldn't knock the other ball away, because if the ball doesn't appear there then it won't be there in the future to knock it away.

If anything the "future" ball would pass through the "past" ball, as in the "future" the past ball wouldn't be there to stop it.
Futurama Crazy

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« Reply #376 on: 06-13-2005 15:33 »

Basically the ball wouldnt be there for the future ball to knock .
IDIOTSVILLE

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« Reply #377 on: 06-13-2005 16:38 »

 
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Originally posted by Futurama Crazy:
Basically the ball wouldnt be there for the future ball to knock .

Jigga What?
CombienReaction

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« Reply #378 on: 06-13-2005 17:08 »

No, not quite.

Okay, the ball 1 second into the future would pass through the ball from the current time as 1 second into the future said ball wouldn't be there to collide with.
Wooter

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« Reply #379 on: 06-13-2005 18:07 »

Let's put it this way. Let's say you are in a car, driving over some train tracks. There is not a train there, but there will be in the future. You do not run into the train, because it isn't there yet!
Descon

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« Reply #380 on: 06-13-2005 19:40 »

its called a paradox, and i dont belive that we will ever be able to know what happens until we create one.
Venus

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« Reply #381 on: 06-16-2005 00:15 »

I was watching ABBFT and during the part where Al hits Preacherbots fastforward button during the vows it sounds like the Preacherbot calls Leela Laura.

"Do you Laura copy and paste his response?"
Descon

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« Reply #382 on: 06-24-2005 03:49 »

heh..ill have to watch for that

just a quick one that i noticed, leela is wearing her wrist-lo-jackimator on the wrong wrist in the farnsworth parabox episode, specifically where she perfectly semectrically fights her paralell self
JBERGES

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« Reply #383 on: 06-24-2005 08:45 »
« Last Edit on: 06-24-2005 08:45 »

Random question:

From A Flight to Remember:
 
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[Scene: Planet Express: Hangar. The ship swoops in and lands. The crew get out, all battered and dirty.]

Leela: That was the worst delivery ever.

Fry: Yeah! I'm never going to another planet called Cannibalon!

Why would the crew have any trouble on a planet called Cannibalon?  The inhabitants would be trying to eat their own kind, not the (to them) alien PE crew.

Unknown

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« Reply #384 on: 06-24-2005 13:07 »

Maybe Cannibalonians are humans that were sent there at some point in the past and became cannibals somehow.
JBERGES

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« Reply #385 on: 06-24-2005 13:38 »

Yeah, and PE was sent to deliver a large crate of Fava Beans.  I like it.
JDB

Professor
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« Reply #386 on: 06-24-2005 20:51 »

In Fry's Opera, The Robot Devil sings to Fry, "Well I don't see any danger, in gambling with a stranger"... But The Robot devil knows Fry, doesn't he?
Descon

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« Reply #387 on: 06-24-2005 21:15 »

yea, but they arent really good friends or anything, they've just met before
CombienReaction

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« Reply #388 on: 06-25-2005 07:43 »

And, you know, it wasn't actually the Robot Devil. It was an actor potraying him. And the entire opera was written by *Fry*.
Jonny Wobbs

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« Reply #389 on: 06-25-2005 11:34 »

Changing the subject, I don't know if this has already been posted, but in I, Roommate, when bender and Fry a thrown out on the couch, Hermes shouts "we will bill you for the couch!!" but his mouth dosnt move...
Shiny

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« Reply #390 on: 06-25-2005 15:30 »

He was throwing his voice!
Descon

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« Reply #391 on: 06-26-2005 23:20 »

if you listen to the commentary, that was a last ditch by David x Cohen, because they just needed something to fill in there

one thing that i did notice, was in obsoletely fabulous, bender is looking for something to plug his blender into, but in bender should not be allowed on tv, he has a plug in on his ass... i know that you could argue that he was low on energy and needed an external source, but still the fact remains..
gcocca

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« Reply #392 on: 06-26-2005 23:28 »

Ya I noticed that too, maybe it was removed? Or bender minght have forgot about it, he does have alot of gadgets on him to be thinking about.
Nanmo

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« Reply #393 on: 06-30-2005 03:21 »

Yeah, many of Benders Gadgets seem to come and go from episode to episode. Maybe he's customizable and can switch parts when he feels like it. That could be why he didnít use his ass plug in Obsoletely Fabulous.
Andy1234

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« Reply #394 on: 06-30-2005 13:39 »

or he didn't use it because he might have been usung more energy than he gained off the thing he was going to eat, so it would make it pointless to do it.
Descon

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« Reply #395 on: 07-19-2005 21:24 »

another quick one that i noticed
in "hell is other robots" when bender goes to give everyone hugs at the restaraunt, the crew shuffles positions at the table from shot to shot
CombienReaction

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« Reply #396 on: 07-21-2005 07:41 »
« Last Edit on: 07-21-2005 07:41 »

Heh, I love it when that ends up happening in animated shows. If I remember correctly, in one cartoon (dunno if it was Futurama or something else) the same thing happened, and at the end of the scene someone said "Why did you guys keep switching seats throughout that entire conversation?".

Another one from Hell Is Other Robots, although it's not really a goof, where did Nibbler go? I can't remember if he fell down the trap-door like Fry and Leela, but either way, how did he end back up at the Planet Express building in future episodes?

Then again, you could always use his super-intelligence as an excuse to counter that one...
Benderillos

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« Reply #397 on: 07-21-2005 18:26 »
« Last Edit on: 07-21-2005 18:26 »

In the episode Hell is other robots and there is a cutscene where the robot devil drags him to robohell and fry and Leela find huge indentions in the floor. why are they there Bender has fallen on his back before and he didn't indent the ground
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Teral

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« Reply #398 on: 07-21-2005 18:47 »
« Last Edit on: 07-21-2005 18:47 »

He wasn't scorching hot from being poked with Beelzebot's pitchfork in those other situations.

Welcome to PEEL. Enjoy it here.
Benderillos

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« Reply #399 on: 07-23-2005 00:02 »

If it is like Teral said wouldn't Bender holes in him later in the episode. Also if the robot devils pitchfork was hot enough to melt the floor wouldn't it melt Bender's eyes out. It happened before when bender jumped into lava to save Fry's dog.  confused

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