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Gorky

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« on: 07-25-2011 14:56 »

Leela getting Slurmed at an awards ceremony by the giant worm that secretly manufactures a popular drink in her behindus is not on the same level as Fry getting dropped out of a spaceship. Sure, it's not entirely rational. But the episode wasn't entirely (or at all, really) rational.

I agree with MightyBooshFan91 that it is blatantly hypocritical to "defend" the breach in continuity in this awful episode, while proclaiming that "The Cryonic Woman" is the worst episode ever in your opinion just because Fry gets dropped out of the PlanEx ship at the end.

As I explained previously: Firstly, the extent of Fry's injuries when the Prof dropped him out of the ship were not shown, so you can't assume he was killed. Second, Fry has survived terrible injuries before and after that episode, like the hover-car crash wherein Dr. Zoidberg transplanted Fry's head on Amy's body. Third, Fry and most of the other characters have often suffered serious injuries and been wrapped in bandages or casts, and then appeared fully healed in the next scene, without explanation.

Therefore, Fry surviving the end of TCW is not a breach in continuity.

Whereas this episode does breach continuity by having the Slurm Queen slurm Leela. You can argue that the audience supposedly couldn't see her above the stage or whatever. The fact is that the Slurm Queen tried to kill Fry, Leela, and Bender to protect the secret of Slurm. Considering that the Slurm Queen was willing to commit murder to protect Slurm's disgusting secret, it's ridiculous that the Slurm Queen would risk exposing said secret for such a lame gimmick at an award's show.

This episode's Slurm Queen continuity breach is far worse than TCW's supposed continuity breach. And the Slurm Queen continuity breach is just another reason "Yo Leela Leela" is the worst episode of Futurama ever!

Eh, alright, I'll bite. I wasn't bothered by the Slurm Queen's reappearance, as it seemed to just be a continuity nod to the fans, as well as a half-decent joke (at the very least, her Slurm-spewing appearance has provoked more discussion here than a plain ol' bucket full of Slurm would have). That said, I understand people thinking that her appearance invalidates "Fry and the Slurm Factory" in its cavalier treatment of the Secret of Slurm; again, this doesn't bother me in particular, but I don't think people are wrong for getting so bent out of shape over it. It wasn't necessary to bring the Slurm Queen back in service of a so-so gag, and this is just one more example of the new run of Futurama utilizing callbacks with mixed results--which is, overall, not a good thing.

That said, I think "The Cryonic Woman" is at least as bad an offender as this episode, in terms of contradicting what has happened in the preceding twenty-two minutes of the episode. The impetus for the story is that Farnsworth fires Fry and Leela and Bender; Leela and Bender attempt to get their jobs back, sans Fry, and are successful. Meanwhile, Fry is walking around New New York fawning over Michelle and being unemployed. (Sounds like 1999 all over again, amirite?) By the end of the episode, Fry is through with Michelle and wants to get his job back--and he should be successful, considering Leela and Bender didn't have to do too much arm-twisting to be reinstated at Planet Express. He should also be successful because, hey, he's the hero of the show, and the show revolves around all his wacky hijinks as a delivery boy in outer space. Fry asks for his job back, is denied, and then is dropped out of a freaking spaceship. Not only is this unnecessarily cruel and brutal, but it ends the episode without answering one of the Big Questions in this and any episode of TV: Will things return to the status quo? I would be fine with an ambiguous ending, but "The Cryonic Woman" takes the status quo, drops it out of a spaceship, and then (most infuriatingly) returns things to the status quo in the proceeding episodes with no explanation of how Fry got his job back (let alone how he survived his fall). This is especially jarring because, a few episodes earlier, in "How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back," a point was made of re-hiring every PE employee who had been fired over the course of the episode.

The ending of TCW, if not a breach in continuity, exactly, is one of the dumbest, least funny, and most unsatisfying endings of any episode ever. And that, to me, is a worse offense than an offhanded mention of a character from a season one episode that I never liked all that much anyway. Obviously opinions differ; I just wanted to offer mine up if tnuk's gif wasn't doin' it for ya.
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« Reply #1 on: 07-25-2011 21:34 »
« Last Edit on: 07-25-2011 21:44 »

Firstly, one of the mods should move the posts about "The Cryonic Woman" to the proper thread.

Eh, alright, I'll bite. I wasn't bothered by the Slurm Queen's reappearance, as it seemed to just be a continuity nod to the fans, as well as a half-decent joke (at the very least, her Slurm-spewing appearance has provoked more discussion here than a plain ol' bucket full of Slurm would have). That said, I understand people thinking that her appearance invalidates "Fry and the Slurm Factory" in its cavalier treatment of the Secret of Slurm; again, this doesn't bother me in particular, but I don't think people are wrong for getting so bent out of shape over it. It wasn't necessary to bring the Slurm Queen back in service of a so-so gag, and this is just one more example of the new run of Futurama utilizing callbacks with mixed results--which is, overall, not a good thing.

That said, I think "The Cryonic Woman" is at least as bad an offender as this episode, in terms of contradicting what has happened in the preceding twenty-two minutes of the episode. The impetus for the story is that Farnsworth fires Fry and Leela and Bender; Leela and Bender attempt to get their jobs back, sans Fry, and are successful. Meanwhile, Fry is walking around New New York fawning over Michelle and being unemployed. (Sounds like 1999 all over again, amirite?) By the end of the episode, Fry is through with Michelle and wants to get his job back--and he should be successful, considering Leela and Bender didn't have to do too much arm-twisting to be reinstated at Planet Express. He should also be successful because, hey, he's the hero of the show, and the show revolves around all his wacky hijinks as a delivery boy in outer space. Fry asks for his job back, is denied, and then is dropped out of a freaking spaceship. Not only is this unnecessarily cruel and brutal, but it ends the episode without answering one of the Big Questions in this and any episode of TV: Will things return to the status quo? I would be fine with an ambiguous ending, but "The Cryonic Woman" takes the status quo, drops it out of a spaceship, and then (most infuriatingly) returns things to the status quo in the proceeding episodes with no explanation of how Fry got his job back (let alone how he survived his fall). This is especially jarring because, a few episodes earlier, in "How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back," a point was made of re-hiring every PE employee who had been fired over the course of the episode.

The ending of TCW, if not a breach in continuity, exactly, is one of the dumbest, least funny, and most unsatisfying endings of any episode ever. And that, to me, is a worse offense than an offhanded mention of a character from a season one episode that I never liked all that much anyway. Obviously opinions differ; I just wanted to offer mine up if tnuk's gif wasn't doin' it for ya.

Regarding Fry not getting his job back: I've explained many times before that TCW provides a perfectly plausible explanation for how Fry was re-hired off-screen: the Professor admits that he forgot why he fired Fry. It was Bender who reminded him, which is why the Professor over-reacted and dropped Fry out of the PlanEx ship. Presumably if Fry came crawling back to the PlanEx building and begged the Professor for his job back, the Professor would have forgotten why he fired him again, and as long as Bender wasn't present to remind him again, the Professor would've re-hired Fry. It's as simple as that.

BTW, Leela and Bender were apparently re-hired after Fry and Michelle froze themselves, because they were aboard the PlanEx ship when it landed in LA to find Fry. And that was after the Professor refused to re-hire Leela and Bender, because he had a new delivery crew: Amy, Hermes, and Dr. Zoidberg. So if Leela and Bender were re-hired off-screen without explanation, WHY are the TCW-haters harping on the ending so much when Fry isn't re-hired on-screen, and there's no explanation for how he was re-hired in "Amazon in the Mood"?

Regarding Fry's supposed injuries from being dropped out of the flying PlanEx ship: I've detailed how Fry has survived serious injuries before, and has miraculously healed between scenes and episodes without on-screen explanation.

Gorky, you claimed that the Professor not re-hiring Fry and then dropping him out of the flying Planet Express ship was "the dumbest, least funny, and most unsatisfying endings of any episode ever". But it's really no "worse" than the endings of many Futurama episodes, which no one seems to have a problem with, including the TCW-haters.

"Hell Is Other Robots" Leela has Nibbler track Bender to the abandoned amusement park in New New Jersey where Robot Hell is located, but Nibbler isn't with Fry, Leela, and Bender when they escape -- presumably he was left there at the end of the episode, and supposedly didn't return until "I Second That Emotion" in Season 2. At the time, the audience didn't know that Nibbler was intelligent, so there was no explanation for how he got back.

"When Aliens Attack" Fry's words of TV wisdom are that at the end of the show everything is back to normal; juxtaposed by the ironic background shot of New New York left devastated by the Omicronians' invasion.

"Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love?" Dr. Zoidberg is still angry at Fry, so re-attaches Fry's arm wrong, and then Fry screams that Zoidberg cut off both his legs. Then Zoidberg cuts off something else that makes a loud splat, which everyone generally agrees was his head. At the time, it wasn't revealed that decapitations are non-fatal in the Futurama universe, so the implication was that Zoidberg killed Fry.

"Put Your Head on My Shoulder" The robot mechanic warns Bender that his ass will explode and could harm others. Fry involuntarily kicks Bender in the ass, causing it to explode in close proximity to Fry and Leela.

"A Clone of My Own" The PlanEx crew rescues the Professor from the Near-Death Star, and the Sunset Squad robots never bother to try to recapture the Professor again -- even though it's their job, and they were adamant that no one escapes.

"War is the H-Word" President Nixon's Head and Zapp Brannigan plant a bomb inside Bender's body that will blow up an entire planet. At the end of the episode, Bender triggers the bomb, it explodes, supposedly killing the Planet Express crew and destroying the Earth -- but a second later Bender says, "I'm all right."

"The Cryonic Woman" Fry remains fired from Planet Express and the Professor drops him out of the flying Planet Express ship.

"A Tale of Two Santas" Robot Santa throws Bender out of his flying sleigh and he falls to the ground (almost exactly like Fry in TCW).

"Crimes of the Hot" The robots "solve" global warming by pushing the Earth further away from the Sun, making the year one week longer. On the DVD commentary, David X Cohen acknowledges that the Earth would be on an elliptical orbit and at certain times of the year it would actually be hotter than before.

"Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles" The Professor is made even older than 160 years-old by the Fountain of Aging.

"Obsoletely Fabulous" After Bender wakes up from the "dream" wherein he learned to be compatible with Robot One-X, Bender walks off into a fantasy world.

"The Farnsworth Parabox" The episode ends with the Universe A somehow contained inside the Professor's mysterious box, which is simultaneously within said universe, which is contained within said box, ad infinitum.

"That Darn Katz" The Earth's rotation is changed to west-east.

"The Mutants Are Revolting" Mutants are granted their freedom and can live on the surface of New New York with everyone else (but I've yet to see any of the mutants on the surface since that episode).

"Benderama" Bender duplicates himself again to fold the Professor's shirts, revealing that there's a second grey-goo cloud of mini-Benders, which is apparently isn't dealt with.

My point is this: The TCW-haters are unjustifiably singling out the ending of "The Cryonic Woman" for ridicule to justify their opinions that TCW is the "worst episode ever", in some kind of bizarre self-reinforcing, non-sensical, logical paradox loop, which would probably cause a robot's head to explode. laff

I believe that Fry's words of TV wisdom from "When Aliens Attack" is the reason why TCW-haters hate "The Cryonic Woman". If Fry had never referenced the TV trope that "in the end, everything is back to normal" I doubt that the TCW-haters would not have singled-out TCW.

The ironic thing is, which I find absolutely hilarious, is that Fry's words of TV wisdom were mocking TV viewers: "TV audiences don't want anything original. They wanna see the same thing they've seen a thousand times before." So the TCW-haters are dogmatically obeying the TV trope that nothing should ever change on a TV show. roll eyes

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I know this was a really long post, even for me, but I needed to include the relevant episode examples. I've put a lot of effort into being as civil as possible in the effort to keep this discussion focused on the episode.

I hope that you, Gorky, will take the time to read my post and respond to it civilly and articulately.

However, based on past experiences -- and despite that this post wasn't directed at him -- I presume that totalnerduk will once again resort to posting his lame "Wrong" gif, because he's utterly incapable of defending his opinions about TCW.

I propose that as a demonstration of our mutual desire to have a reasonable, intelligent, constructive discussion about the topic of "The Cryonic Woman", everyone agree that if totalnerduk posts his "Wrong" gif again in this thread, his opinions about this episode will be invalidated and ignored henceforth, for the reason I described in the previous paragraph.

I believe that we're all entitled to our own opinions -- however, if you can't reasonably justify and defend your opinions, you can't possibly expect any one else to respect your opinions, nevermind agree with you.
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« Reply #2 on: 07-25-2011 22:09 »
« Last Edit on: 07-25-2011 22:25 »

Well, I understand nothing about your argumentation.

I think basically things are "Simpsony" if they don't like the episode and they're not if they do like it.

I'm with Benderloveer, anyway. They have a right to their opinions and to be honest, I agree with 99% of it. This episode was far superior to The Silence of the Clamps.



"Hell Is Other Robots" Leela has Nibbler track Bender to the abandoned amusement park in New New Jersey where Robot Hell is located, but Nibbler isn't with Fry, Leela, and Bender when they escape -- presumably he was left there at the end of the episode, and supposedly didn't return until "I Second That Emotion" in Season 2. At the time, the audience didn't know that Nibbler was intelligent, so there was no explanation for how he got back.

This is a goof rather than bad writing.

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"When Aliens Attack" Fry's words of TV wisdom are that at the end of the show everything is back to normal; juxtaposed by the ironic background shot of New New York left devastated by the Omicronians' invasion.
This episode is making a joke out of how everything will be back to normal next time you see the show so it's sort of forgivable on those grounds.

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"Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love?" Dr. Zoidberg is still angry at Fry, so re-attaches Fry's arm wrong, and then Fry screams that Zoidberg cut off both his legs. Then Zoidberg cuts off something else that makes a loud splat, which everyone generally agrees was his head. At the time, it wasn't revealed that decapitations are non-fatal in the Futurama universe, so the implication was that Zoidberg killed Fry.
It's easy enough to assume that the thud wasn't actually his head, but his arm again -although the joke is the implication that it's his head.

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"Put Your Head on My Shoulder" The robot mechanic warns Bender that his ass will explode and could harm others. Fry involuntarily kicks Bender in the ass, causing it to explode in close proximity to Fry and Leela.
Not an ending I'm a fan of either to be honest, but the whole episode is marginally better than the whole of The Cryonic Woman so it doesn't get as much flack. The implication here is that people would be hurt but they'll be fine by the time you next see them. With The Cryonic Woman, it's that, plus Fry still doesn't have his job back.

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"A Clone of My Own" The PlanEx crew rescues the Professor from the Near-Death Star, and the Sunset Squad robots never bother to try to recapture the Professor again -- even though it's their job, and they were adamant that no one escapes.
No one has ever escaped before so they have no protocol in place for it.

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"War is the H-Word" President Nixon's Head and Zapp Brannigan plant a bomb inside Bender's body that will blow up an entire planet. At the end of the episode, Bender triggers the bomb, it explodes, supposedly killing the Planet Express crew and destroying the Earth -- but a second later Bender says, "I'm all right."
Another ending I hate, pretty much as badly as The Cryonic Woman's. The difference is that War is the H-Word is outstanding up until that ending, so it's forgivable.

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"A Tale of Two Santas" Robot Santa throws Bender out of his flying sleigh and he falls to the ground (almost exactly like Fry in TCW).
We've been led to believe that Bender can survive gigantic falls in the past though, such as the one at the start of Xmas Story. He's a robot after-all. The implication is never that he'd be killed by it. Plus, he still has his job.

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"Crimes of the Hot" The robots "solve" global warming by pushing the Earth further away from the Sun, making the year one week longer. On the DVD commentary, David X Cohen acknowledges that the Earth would be on an elliptical orbit and at certain times of the year it would actually be hotter than before.
That's a goof. Within the world of the show, it's fine and everything makes sense.

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"Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles" The Professor is made even older than 160 years-old by the Fountain of Aging.
And? That brings us moreorless back to square one. The Professor is still the same person he was, he's just technically a few years older. The episode's story has a complete and satisfying resolution.

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"Obsoletely Fabulous" After Bender wakes up from the "dream" wherein he learned to be compatible with Robot One-X, Bender walks off into a fantasy world.
Yes? There's a full resolution to the show's storyline. Whether or not it's satisfying is another story, but it doesn't leave you questioning anything. Bender says reality is what you make of it, for all we know he perceives the world in that way all the time and always has done.

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"The Farnsworth Parabox" The episode ends with the Universe A somehow contained inside the Professor's mysterious box, which is simultaneously within said universe, which is contained within said box, ad infinitum.
A great ending, one that wraps up the plot AND is funny. Two things The Cryonic Woman failed at. It doesn't leave any lasting questions or continuity problems for the future or anything of that nature.

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"That Darn Katz" The Earth's rotation is changed to west-east.
And as far as we can tell, that's something Futurama intend to keep up along with all their other episodes that've changed continuity (characters entering relationships, Leela discovering her parents, etc).

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"The Mutants Are Revolting" Mutants are granted their freedom and can live on the surface of New New York with everyone else (but I've yet to see any of the mutants on the surface since that episode).
You're also yet to see anything suggesting that they're not allowed on the surface now. All their homes and things are in the sewers and they have jobs there. They're allowed on the surface but that doesn't mean they'll all choose to hang around there all the time. They're probably too poor to afford houses on the surface.

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"Benderama" Bender duplicates himself again to fold the Professor's shirts, revealing that there's a second grey-goo cloud of mini-Benders, which is apparently isn't dealt with.
The episode is resolved, and then it leaves you with an "It's over... or is it?" type ending suggesting that the problems will start again. The Cryonic Woman's equivalent would be if Fry had been re-hired and then him and Bender saw the keys in the spaceship left alone again, suggesting that they were going to take the ship for a spin again and that no one had learnt their lesson.
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« Reply #3 on: 07-25-2011 22:41 »

[...] Regarding Fry not getting his job back: I've explained many times before that TCW provides a perfectly plausible explanation for how Fry was re-hired off-screen [...]

"When we get back to the hole, we are going to have a long, boring talk about continuity in Futurama!"
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« Reply #4 on: 07-26-2011 00:39 »

I do think we need to define what constitutes a continuity error as well. People seem to be getting confused about it in the Yo Leela Leela review thread.
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« Reply #5 on: 07-26-2011 00:43 »

Well, this would be a good place to discuss that. Thanks for reminding me to put the word "spoiler" in the topic heh.

To me, an example of discontinuity is when they showed cows in one of the comics (no. forty something; posted on it in comic thread in Stockroom) and in the series cows were revealed to be extinct. Of course, we're talking about the episodes, not comics, but that is a blatant obvious form of discontinuity to me.
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« Reply #6 on: 07-26-2011 01:19 »

Well in Mother's Day, we are told the wheel has been obselete for centuries, to the point where people have absolutely no idea what a wheel is.  Leela even says "Show us, this wheel thing."

Even though she uses a steering WHEEL pratically every episode and refers it as such,  and we see wheels all the time (the Crushinator has them for example.) Also, career chips seem to hardly ever appear, except when the writers specifically write them in (it also makes a lot of episodes where the characters seem to have a great deal of choice about what they want to do in life, feel a bit odd.  Leela didn't even have a career chip despite working at Applied Cryogenics for a long period of time, and actually had to put one in her hand.

Also, LI creates problems with just about every episode where a robot dies, or is afraid of death (unless they are all drama queens like Bender).    
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« Reply #7 on: 07-26-2011 03:29 »

Well, this would be a good place to discuss that. Thanks for reminding me to put the word "spoiler" in the topic heh.

To me, an example of discontinuity is when they showed cows in one of the comics (no. forty something; posted on it in comic thread in Stockroom) and in the series cows were revealed to be extinct. Of course, we're talking about the episodes, not comics, but that is a blatant obvious form of discontinuity to me.

They showed that cows had built some kind of post-human civilisation in TLPJF as well. I think that's the one thing that really irritated me about that episode.
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« Reply #8 on: 07-26-2011 04:07 »

Well, this would be a good place to discuss that. Thanks for reminding me to put the word "spoiler" in the topic heh.

To me, an example of discontinuity is when they showed cows in one of the comics (no. forty something; posted on it in comic thread in Stockroom) and in the series cows were revealed to be extinct. Of course, we're talking about the episodes, not comics, but that is a blatant obvious form of discontinuity to me.

They showed that cows had built some kind of post-human civilisation in TLPJF as well. I think that's the one thing that really irritated me about that episode.
Not really. Fry references "Space Cows" in Love and Rocket, so it could have been them who took over. Or Fry just made an inaccurate assumption about the cows taking over. (after all, someone could have built the statue in remembrance of the cow).
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« Reply #9 on: 07-26-2011 04:14 »

Fry references many things that don't actually exist. Plus, I'm fairly certain that were it intended to have been Space Cows who built a civilisation and then blew it up, Fry would've said "Space Cows" . Not just cows... the writers do usually differentiate between regular Earth things and things that come from space.

As for the statue being built in rememberance, the statues were all copies of Lady Liberty. The deliberate implication is that each civilisation copied their human predecessors. First there was a civilisation of humans. They had a Statue of Liberty. So each civilisation that came after it built one in their own image.
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« Reply #10 on: 07-26-2011 04:19 »

Well the last civilization that had rose and fallen in the intervening 7 millenia was clearly an alien race, since Fry had trouble describing it, (it didn't really look like any earth species, and was only vaguely sluglike) so it makes sense that the cows civilization could be aliens (I mean we've seen cat aliens like Fluffers, lobster like aliens like Zoidy who is often referred to as a lobster.)

Also we are forgetting that the Last Encylopod restored all extinct species, so they probably brought back cows and poodles.
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« Reply #11 on: 07-26-2011 04:26 »

Also we are forgetting that the Last Encylopod restored all extinct species, so they probably brought back cows and poodles.


Encyclopods had been gone for thousands of years... anything from recent Earth history won't have been restored, as the extinction of the cow and the poodle took place during the dormant phase of the encyclopds. They weren't around to preserve the DNA of either species and so couldn't provide new specimens.
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« Reply #12 on: 07-26-2011 04:30 »

Also we are forgetting that the Last Encylopod restored all extinct species, so they probably brought back cows and poodles.


Encyclopods had been gone for thousands of years... anything from recent Earth history won't have been restored, as the extinction of the cow and the poodle took place during the dormant phase of the encyclopds. They weren't around to preserve the DNA of either species and so couldn't provide new specimens.

I thought the Encylopods simply had the DNA of every extinct species, Just Because.

Then that makes the episodes where we have seen poodles another continuity error.  
Also, we have seen dinosaurs cloned, so maybe cows were cloned too?  It could be possible that cows were kept extinct for a long time, so billionares like Amy would pay huge sums for the chance to eat one.   If they can keep their flesh in good enough condition to have it not only edible but taste good, then cloning cows should be considerably easier then cloning T Rex.

Plus its possible that something in the cloning went wrong, and instead created a race of evil super cows that overthrew the bird civilization, who in turn were wiped out by the race of sluglike creatures.
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« Reply #13 on: 07-26-2011 05:22 »

Plus its possible that something in the cloning went wrong, and instead created a race of evil super cows that overthrew the bird civilization, who in turn were wiped out by the race of sluglike creatures.

I like this idea. A lot.

Then that makes the episodes where we have seen poodles another continuity error. 

Yeah, PI pissed me off a little for that reason as well.
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« Reply #14 on: 07-26-2011 05:26 »

Plus its possible that something in the cloning went wrong, and instead created a race of evil super cows that overthrew the bird civilization, who in turn were wiped out by the race of sluglike creatures.

I like this idea. A lot.

Then that makes the episodes where we have seen poodles another continuity error.  

Yeah, PI pissed me off a little for that reason as well.

Why thankyou!  I just imagined the bird race trying to create a tasty food source, only it going wrong.  

It wasn't just PI though, poodles were in TMAR as well, and I think quite a few episodes this season.  Turns out they haven't gone the way of your precious notions of modesty.  (It could be that the professor is absolutely senile, after all.  After the stuff he comes out with, it wouldn't be too surprising that he could have confused poodles with dodos or moocows)
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« Reply #15 on: 07-26-2011 05:30 »

Yeah, by the time TMAR had rolled around I'd mostly accepted that the writers were now fucking with established continuity solely to piss me off. tongue
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« Reply #16 on: 07-26-2011 05:32 »

I already mentioned this elsewhere but the Encyclopod had the DNA of Tasmanian Tigers which became extinct sometime in the 20th century; if the Encyclopod could preserve the DNA of Tasmanian Tigers (before the dormant phase, I guess you could say) then it could also have preserved the DNA of cows and poodles before then as well.
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« Reply #17 on: 07-26-2011 05:59 »
« Last Edit on: 07-30-2012 23:19 by totalnerduk »

That's true. I hadn't actually made that connection until now (and I've just taken a look at that portion of the movie and it's not very well explained, but it seems that the Encyclopod can reconstruct any extinct organism from "its vast stash of DNA").

That's the trouble with the exposition in ITWGY. Some of it's blink-and-you'll-miss-it.
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« Reply #18 on: 07-26-2011 17:20 »

*Looks at the first post in this thread*

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was already here.

And this isn't a continuity error, exactly, but I figure I ought to contribute something to this thread: In "A Head in the Polls," it is clearly stated that the twenty-second amendment (that is, the two-terms-only rule for Presidents) is still in effect. Nixon skirts this rule by getting a shiny new body. However, he will have served three full terms by 3012. So, what gives? Did he tweak the Constitution? Did he find a new body to run with in the 3008 election? I know the writers intend to address this in an episode in 2012, and I kind of hope they mention the fact that Nixon has been president for an unconstitutional length of time--because, to my recollection, it has never been referenced in the series elsewhere.
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« Reply #19 on: 07-26-2011 20:23 »

My guess is that he just got a second new body for the election -given that, you know. He never wears the thing, anyway.


Or maybe he just basically became some sort of overlord of Earth, screwing the constitution in the process.
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« Reply #20 on: 07-26-2011 20:28 »

Just like <insert politician you don't like here>!
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« Reply #21 on: 07-26-2011 21:35 »

Did he find a new body to run with in the 3008 election?

I hope so. I loved the gigantic body he had at the end of A Head in the Polls. I would like to see it return.
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« Reply #22 on: 07-26-2011 21:41 »

Wait, Bender was in the limestone caverns underneath Planet Express AND his head was in Roswell? Can someone explain this to me, tnuk? confused
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« Reply #23 on: 07-26-2011 21:43 »

Wait, Bender was in the limestone caverns underneath Planet Express AND his head was in Roswell? Can someone explain this to me, tnuk? confused

Makes sense. The Bender from 3001 had his head fall into Roswell, while all the ones in the cavern are from 3008.
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« Reply #24 on: 07-26-2011 21:46 »

Why are there always too many damn Benders, whether clones or mini clones mad
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« Reply #25 on: 07-26-2011 21:54 »

Why are there always too many damn Benders, whether clones or mini clones mad

Or Paradoxes. Or Paradox Clones. Or Clones of Paradoxes. Or Clones of Paradox Clones. Or his identical cousin Buster.
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« Reply #26 on: 07-26-2011 22:10 »

Got to love bender!!    just had to say  it real quick
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« Reply #27 on: 07-26-2011 23:06 »
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Wait, Bender was in the limestone caverns underneath Planet Express AND his head was in Roswell? Can someone explain this to me, tnuk? confused



Okay, Bender's going round and round in time during his rampage, and the head's present from 1947 until 3004. At various points in time, there are post-1947 Benders in the cavern.

Each "version" is the same Bender, but from a different point in time. So during any point from Bender's manufacture until the end of the first Futurama movie, you have multiple copies of Bender existing at the same time. Until, that is, the doom-field corrects the paradox by causing the "duplicated" Benders to explode. They're Bender from earlier points in time, and when they explode, the paradox is resolved (although if you think about it, you'll see that it's paradoxical the "original" survives. The original is simply the forward projection of the previous ones. If the previous ones cease to exist, how can the original remain? He ceased to exist somewhere previously along the timeline!) and there's now only one Bender.

I was going to go into more detail, but my computer had a brainfart and crashed, possibly due to dealing with time travel. So you're left with what I had saved before that happened. I may revisit it at some point, depending on how lazy I am feeling.
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« Reply #28 on: 07-26-2011 23:16 »
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I can't wait. tongue

It's there now...
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« Reply #29 on: 07-26-2011 23:57 »

If we are talking errors, here is one that has always bugged me, and maybe someone here knows and could help me out with it. NNY is built on top of NY. Which is fine, but it seems to be about 60-80' above right? So how is PE at street level, next to a river, and still have a limestone cavern directly underneath it?
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« Reply #30 on: 07-27-2011 02:43 »

If we are talking errors, here is one that has always bugged me, and maybe someone here knows and could help me out with it. NNY is built on top of NY. Which is fine, but it seems to be about 60-80' above right? So how is PE at street level, next to a river, and still have a limestone cavern directly underneath it?

Maybe global warming did manage to melt a lot of the polar ice caps, so the sea levels did rise?  No that doesn't make sense.  NY was levelled several times, so perhaps when they built NNY, they swept the ruins underground into the sewers? It doesn't make sense, but it could just be the rule of funny.

 But then again TLPJF did manage to have Cavern of the Green in pretty much intact condition, despite there being a billion years of tectonic activity and gelogical processes (hell it was underneath an ocean at one point, for a start).   
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« Reply #31 on: 07-27-2011 11:13 »

I've always questioned that, but I realised it's much too complicated to try and solve, so I deal with it. Perhaps tnuk could solve it within 5 minutes. laff
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« Reply #32 on: 07-28-2011 07:11 »

Wow, thanks for the chart, neato! big grin I'm still a bit confused...but that's not your fault, it's mine.
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« Reply #33 on: 08-02-2011 15:49 »

One thing I'd like to know is...
Did Betsy get eaten at Amy's FonFonRubok (it seems close enough to a wedding to be considered one)?  I love that cute bovine ladybug!  No one really mentioned it, and I can't imagine Amy wilfully chowing down on her favorite pet.  Especially after the pet saved her life.
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« Reply #34 on: 08-02-2011 16:01 »

If we are talking errors, here is one that has always bugged me, and maybe someone here knows and could help me out with it. NNY is built on top of NY. Which is fine, but it seems to be about 60-80' above right? So how is PE at street level, next to a river, and still have a limestone cavern directly underneath it?

Since there is a cave beneath the PE building and not some stuff of ONY it seems more likely that not the whole of NNY is build on top of ONY, but maybe just parts and other parts were flatted more or less. So maybe in the future NNY is actually quite a hilly place.


One thing I'd like to know is...
Did Betsy get eaten at Amy's FonFonRubok (it seems close enough to a wedding to be considered one)?  I love that cute bovine ladybug!  No one really mentioned it, and I can't imagine Amy wilfully chowing down on her favorite pet.  Especially after the pet saved her life.
It should have been, but I wouldn't be surprised if Amy's parents don't count it as a real wedding and are still bugging her to get properly married already.
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« Reply #35 on: 08-02-2011 16:15 »

Hehe.  Bugging her.   Pun not intended?

Yeah its pretty obvious they don't really consider it a real relationship, since they dont really want green grandchildren. 
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« Reply #36 on: 08-02-2011 16:17 »

No, that pun was very well intended.

Kudos for noticing.
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« Reply #37 on: 08-11-2011 03:45 »

It was a good un.

Also, I was watching Hell is Other Robots again the other day, and more evidence that the wheel is not completely forgotten about in the 31st Century.   One of the stripperbots actually balances on a wheel (as oppose to having feet) like a unicycle, only its part of her body.  She even has her own tyre.
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« Reply #38 on: 08-16-2011 02:29 »

Wheels and poodles, the two things that irritate me most in Futurama.
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« Reply #39 on: 08-16-2011 03:39 »

Just because they look like wheels and poodles doesn't mean they are wheels and poodles....
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