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uri lukin

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« on: 08-21-2010 16:47 »

in the episode The Lesser Of Two Evils the professor said that that big thing is a single atom the why is it made of like 50 atoms and has 3 electrons circling it
(for those ho skipped Physics each atom has 1 electron circling it)
 and dont tell me that they could remove electrons because if the atoms outnumber the electrons it beacomes unstable.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #1 on: 08-21-2010 17:20 »

In the Words of Jezzem:

Futurama is a Cartoon.
Erdrik

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« Reply #2 on: 08-21-2010 17:55 »

Uuh no. Atoms are made up of Electrons Protrons and Neutrons.
Protons and Neutrons share the center, and electrons orbit.
There can be more than 1 of each, and the number is what dictates the atoms position on the periodic table..

Going off memory here, its been 19 years since my high school science class...
uri lukin

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« Reply #3 on: 08-21-2010 18:02 »

atoms are not made of electrons
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« Reply #4 on: 08-21-2010 18:37 »

atoms are not made of electrons
Of course they are! An atom is made of particles such as protons, electrons and neutrons. Protons and neutrons cluster together to form the nucleus (central mass) of the atom while the electrons orbit the nucleus.

And as it has been said before, this is a cartoon. Is that explanation not enough?
uri lukin

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« Reply #5 on: 08-21-2010 18:44 »

electrons circle atoms not build atoms
uri lukin

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« Reply #6 on: 08-21-2010 18:58 »

sorry,i got confused you see english isnt my primary language i ment the core is circled by electrons .
but it is still a goof.
Erdrik

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« Reply #7 on: 08-21-2010 19:04 »

A goof is an unintended mistake.
The Atom in the show is shown that way for two reasons:
1: that shape is fairly iconic and easily recognized by the average person as an atom.
2: it is funnier that way.
uri lukin

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« Reply #8 on: 08-21-2010 19:20 »

and cut me a break i am 12
FutureJan

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« Reply #9 on: 08-21-2010 22:36 »

If you are  12, then you have never taken physics.  This means that you do not know what you are talking about.  So you should listen to what everyone is trying to tell you, and maybe you'll actually learn something.  "Oh My God... not  learning!"  roll eyes no no  roll eyes
uri lukin

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« Reply #10 on: 08-21-2010 22:41 »

i have taken physics just because your dumb american school system doesnt teach physics doesnt mean that our glorious Russian system didnt
uri lukin

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« Reply #11 on: 08-21-2010 22:42 »

besides i go to a private school
FutureJan

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« Reply #12 on: 08-21-2010 22:47 »

Then obviously you didn't pay attention in class! 

Also, stop double posting!!! if you have corrections to make, hit the EDIT button on your post...
Jezzem

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« Reply #13 on: 08-21-2010 22:51 »

So now you're resorting to racism and boasting about how you go to private school? Well, that settles it then. I'll no longer be arguing with you about anything (beyond stating the obvious fact that Futurama's a cartoon) because you're clearly an idiot.
FutureJan

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« Reply #14 on: 08-21-2010 22:54 »

So now you're resorting to racism and boasting about how you go to private school? Well, that settles it then. I'll no longer be arguing with you about anything (beyond stating the obvious fact that Futurama's a cartoon) because you're clearly an idiot.
That's a pretty good idea, i think I'll do that, too. 

EDIT: I'll also keep hounding him about double-posting when i see it...
Erdrik

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« Reply #15 on: 08-21-2010 23:54 »

Also all the "glorious" education in the world won't do jack for you if you utterly fail at communicating your points.
If your going to talk and argue with those who speak a different language than yourself, you damn well better learn to understand and express yourself in that language.
uri lukin

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« Reply #16 on: 08-22-2010 09:37 »

So now you're resorting to racism and boasting about how you go to private school? Well, that settles it then. I'll no longer be arguing with you about anything (beyond stating the obvious fact that Futurama's a cartoon) because you're clearly an idiot.
hating Americans is not racism Americans are not a race of people and secondly it is not a private school like in america or the other places you people come from it is just a school with better education we don't have a fancy building or field trips to Erope
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #17 on: 08-22-2010 10:03 »
« Last Edit on: 03-06-2012 20:01 by totalnerduk »

So now you're resorting to racism and boasting about how you go to private school? Well, that settles it then. I'll no longer be arguing with you about anything (beyond stating the obvious fact that Futurama's a cartoon) because you're clearly an idiot.
hating Americans is not racism Americans are not a race of people and secondly it is not a private school like in america or the other places you people come from it is just a school with better education we don't have a fancy building or field trips to Erope

You're a fucking idiot. Americans are a subset of humanity and defined as such by their nationality. That nationality is as close to a "race" of people as one can get in the modern world. They dress/talk/act different than you. Therefore they are a seperate race (which has nothing to do with species, btw). You're a racist.

Americans are actually some of the nicest people I've met. You want to be racist? Hate the French. They deserve it.

in the episode The Lesser Of Two Evils the professor said that that big thing is a single atom the why is it made of like 50 atoms and has 3 electrons circling it

It's made of several jumbo-sized protons and neutrons, with several large electrons circling it.

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(for those ho skipped Physics each atom has 1 electron circling it)

You fail physics forever. Each atom has an equal number of protons and electrons, with a number of neutrons as well (sometimes no neutrons at all) that is not necessarily equal. Ignoring neutrons for the moment, here's an example, Hydrogen atoms are composed of a single proton and attendant electron. Iron atoms are composed of 26 protons, with 26 electrons orbiting the nucleus in several layers or "shells".

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and dont tell me that they could remove electrons because if the atoms outnumber the electrons it beacomes unstable.

As little sense as that makes, I think you mean if the protons outnumber the electrons it becomes unstable. Which is nonsense. It becomes an isotope or a cation. It just behaves differently than the pure element.

Please refrain from discussing chemistry and physics until you reach your eighteenth birthday.
Jezzem

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« Reply #18 on: 08-22-2010 12:07 »

So now you're resorting to racism and boasting about how you go to private school? Well, that settles it then. I'll no longer be arguing with you about anything (beyond stating the obvious fact that Futurama's a cartoon) because you're clearly an idiot.
hating Americans is not racism Americans are not a race of people and secondly it is not a private school like in America or the other places you people come from it is just a school with better education we don't have a fancy building or field trips to Europe

Wow. Thanks for proving my point. You're a fucking idiot.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #19 on: 08-22-2010 16:19 »

To be fair, Americans aren't a race at all. Nationality doesn't play into race. Breed is an equivalent word to race and they both refer to the biological differences between people, not cultural ones.
This guy is demonstrating some sort of stronger form of xenophobia. That's not to say that it's any better than racism because ideologically, it's just as bad.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #20 on: 08-22-2010 16:22 »
« Last Edit on: 08-22-2010 16:24 by totalnerduk »

The biological differences between Italians and French, according to Scientific American, are analogous to the differences between two seperate breeds of cat. So I'd say that nationality pretty much constitutes an equivalence to race.

Here's my source.

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"the genetic variation between domestic cat breeds is very slightócomparable to that
seen between adjacent human populations, such as the French and the Italians."

cyber_turnip

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« Reply #21 on: 08-22-2010 17:12 »

I see where you're coming from but something about it doesn't sit well with me.
You can be a caucasian French man or a black French man and you're clearly somewhat biologically different to each other. Someone could embody every biological trait you're associating with Italians but be French due to their parents moving over there before having a child.
The theory only begins to work when you start latching onto where someone's heritage lies and using that as their nationality even though they may have never stepped foot in the country and may have no knowledge of its culture. And in my experience, that just tends to lead to racism with people getting all uptight about who deserves to be in a country and who's a filthy immigrant and so forth so I'm going to bail on this argument right now.

Also, what about that freak-cat without fur?
FutureJan

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« Reply #22 on: 08-22-2010 19:09 »

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Also, what about that freak-cat without fur?
I just got done reading the same article, and that can be explained through a slight mutation, or proper breeding, someone wanted a cat with no fur so they bred it that way.

i think the word 'racist' is being used here because there really isn't a word yet to describe hating people who are specifically from one country or area.  the word 'racist' is the best we have for now.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #23 on: 08-23-2010 00:29 »

What about 'prejudice'?
FutureJan

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« Reply #24 on: 08-23-2010 03:17 »

^That works pretty well too...^
bearboots

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« Reply #25 on: 08-23-2010 16:54 »

those cats with no fur are apparently really friendly. i wouldn't mind owning one, they wouldn't shed hair all over the place =.=

with regards to uri lukins question/statement about the atom, it's important to remember that futurama is just a cartoon and that jumbonium isn't a real element. Futurama just depicts it as an element with atoms large enough to be seen with the naked eye. if you look at this picture of an atom;

it looks quite similar to what the atom in the episode looks like, i mean besides having a few more neutrons, electrons and protons than the picture above.


maybe don't get too technical about it and just enjoy the episode. i've always enjoyed the ones with flexo smile

ps: hope i got all the scientific references right. i didn't take science in highschool =.=
Jezzem

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« Reply #26 on: 08-23-2010 21:08 »

it's important to remember that futurama is just a cartoon and that jumbonium isn't a real element.

Yeah, don't bother trying to explain that to him.
hobbitboy

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« Reply #27 on: 08-25-2010 14:50 »

That second picture looks more like a Jumbonium ion than a Jumbonium atom to me.

Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
HobbsO

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« Reply #28 on: 09-21-2010 00:34 »
« Last Edit on: 09-21-2010 00:36 »

Maybe because it's the future the atom is scientifically engineered using things other than protons, neutrons and electrons?

Also stop using the excuse "It's a cartoon", the whole idea of the weird scenes forum is to explain and discuss this stuff, not just say "oh well". If that's your attitude sod off!
Jezzem

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« Reply #29 on: 09-21-2010 03:47 »

Maybe because it's the future the atom is scientifically engineered using things other than protons, neutrons and electrons?

Also stop using the excuse "It's a cartoon", the whole idea of the weird scenes forum is to explain and discuss this stuff, not just say "oh well". If that's your attitude sod off!

I fail to see how "Maybe because it's the future" is any better a logical explanation than "it's a cartoon" so good job there.
HobbsO

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« Reply #30 on: 09-21-2010 20:23 »

Well I think an explanation down the road of "it being in the future means its possible due to scientific advances" rather than "That's ust how they made it, who cares" is the difference.
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« Reply #31 on: 09-21-2010 22:08 »

Does it really make a difference? Like we used to believe that there was such a thing as aether, now we don't, but I'm pretty certain that even in the future we will not know what an 'atom' looks like other than a concept that we have defined and can draw/imagine in a million different ways.

So in a sense, yeah it's a cartoon, and let's not read too much into it because the future is unknown and science is, well... not all it's cracked up to be.
Jezzem

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« Reply #32 on: 09-22-2010 03:31 »

Well I think an explanation down the road of "it being in the future means its possible due to scientific advances" rather than "That's ust how they made it, who cares" is the difference.

Yeah, there's a huge difference between "Well, it's the future so anything's possible" and "Well, it's a cartoon so they can do anything"
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #33 on: 09-22-2010 10:17 »

It definitely makes the show much more interesting if I leave it with: the future is unknown. It is not a better answer than the other. It just makes Futurama that much better. Anyone hear anything on real suicide booths lol.
Futuraman2112

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« Reply #34 on: 01-14-2011 12:25 »

Derp.

That is all.

Also, Pastorama rules!
Xanfor

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« Reply #35 on: 01-20-2011 05:53 »

Assuming the Jumbonium atom is naturally colour-coded, it would seem that its nucleus contains other baryons besides the typical protons and neutrons.

That could explain its unique properties, not to mention its rarity.
Tachyon

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« Reply #36 on: 01-20-2011 15:14 »
« Last Edit on: 01-20-2011 15:15 »

Not as exciting as jumbonium, but still interesting:

The early "pictures" of atoms (like the famous xenon IBM on the cover of Time) were really Braille, having been felt with an atomic force cantilever thingy.  This is closer to a real picture, presumably using beams of UV lasers.


DannyJC13

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« Reply #37 on: 04-03-2011 19:45 »

Just been learning about this in Science recently, so the Nucleus is made of Protons and Neutrons, then there are shells surrounding them that hold the Electrons. The first shell can hold 2 electrons, then as the elements go up more Electrons are added but the shells after the first can only hold 8. Then they go up like:

Hydrogen - 1
Helium - 2
Lithium - 2,1
Beryllium - 2,2
Neon - 2,8
Sodium - 2,8,1
Potassium - 2,8,8,1

etc.... So the Tiara would technically be Helium...
Xanfor

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« Reply #38 on: 04-03-2011 21:50 »

Assuming what we see orbiting the nucleus are actually electrons. Of course, in that case, the nucleus itself doesn't make sense. Actually, nothing about Jumbonium makes sense, period!

Be thankful you haven't gotten to orbitals yet, otherwise you would be even more confused by this element.
hobbitboy

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« Reply #39 on: 04-06-2011 14:24 »


 Perhaps it was a Jumbonium ion, and a heavily ionised one at that.

Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
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